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CyanogenMod Ports Android To HP TouchPad

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the progress-still-in-progress dept.

Android 86

yesakmac joins the teeming hordes of successful Slashdot submitters, with this excerpt from PC World that says the frenzied effort to port Android to HP's discontinued TouchPad has actually succeeded: "CyanogenMod also released a 'lower your expectations edition' release guide to let you know exactly what is working (or not) under the hood. Modders will be happy to know that basically all the TouchPad's guts are recognized. It supports dual-booting and fake SD cards in case you need to restore the TouchPad. What does not work, though, is the camera, which can only be used for video chat. Power efficiency is still an issue, too. As for the final build, CyanogenMod says they won't be giving a hard date, and that it will be ready when it is ready."

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I'm so unimpressed (1, Funny)

wsxyz (543068) | more than 2 years ago | (#37706824)

They still haven't ported to the iPhone.

Re:I'm so unimpressed (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37706860)

LOL! Why not help them?

Re:I'm so unimpressed (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37706946)

LOL! Why help them?

Re:I'm so unimpressed (2)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 2 years ago | (#37707400)

Actually, they have.

I've seen a youtube video of Android running on a 3G or 3GS way back when those were the current gen iPhones. I seem to remember an issue with the number of buttons available with some of the physical buttons expected on an Android handset being mapped onto the volume buttons on the iPhone.

Best of all they don't take donations (5, Insightful)

bl4nk (607569) | more than 2 years ago | (#37706830)

Best of all they don't take donations, like some questionable-at-best teams that quickly assembled to port Android in the wake of the fire-sale frenzy. They urge donating to the EFF instead. CyanogenMod are a classy team.

Also, it should be noted that this build would qualify as being in the earliest of alpha stages.

So wanting to be paid for work isn't "classy"? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37706874)

I just don't get this socialist "business" model of not being paid for one's work.

I think I'd rather code for Apple and be paid for my work.

Now go ahead and mod me down "-1, I disagree with you, and you are therefore not classy."

Re:So wanting to be paid for work isn't "classy"? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37706920)

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Re:So wanting to be paid for work isn't "classy"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37707906)

Because it is worth more to them to (1) have something that looks good on their resume and get hired for a different project (or, hey, possibly get hired to work on the same project) and (2) have other people encouraged to give them code for free (see: gift economy [wikimedia.org] ).

Obligatory economics issue (1)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 2 years ago | (#37709364)

(assuming $ stands for value)
Gift economy : $100 Tragedy of the commons : $0
3 ... 2 ... 1 ...
Gift economy : $0 Tragedy of the commons : $100

Try again next time

Re:Obligatory economics issue (1)

cduffy (652) | more than 2 years ago | (#37713204)

Except that it really does work in practice. Not when you're playing a zero-sum game and let random griefers in, sure, but (1) software development isn't a zero-sum game, and (2) in a gift economy for zero-sum items [say, physical goods], your reputation is the most valuable thing you have; a random stranger who isn't introduced by someone with a good one (thus putting some part of their own reputation on the line by way of the introduction) needs to earn respect before they can play. That's not to say that someone won't take a chance on a stranger -- just like you might give a microloan to someone you don't know in the hopes that they prove themselves a good risk and pay it back -- but it's known and understood to be a risk, just as in the fiscal alternative. And, by taking that risk wisely, one enhances one's own repute... just as how selecting deserving parties for financial microloans can be a profitable business.

Gift economies have a currency. That currency is repute -- and it makes them quite resilient in practice against the scenario you describe.

Re:Obligatory economics issue (1)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 2 years ago | (#37728114)

Ok ... gift economy with reputation ... let's put a number on that reputation ...

Let's call that number "the dollar" because ... well that's what it is. By your standard we have a gift economy today.

The problem people have with the economy is that
1) decisions of people with "high reputation" (lotsa dollars) matter more than those with low reputation
2) some people have "low reputation" to the point where they suffer hunger
You provide zero solutions.

Re:Obligatory economics issue (1)

cduffy (652) | more than 2 years ago | (#37728848)

If your goal is to caricature working solutions into thin parodies of themselves, of course you can find holes in those strawmen. Understanding of complex systems -- and human behavior is certainly such a topic -- is not going to happen within a few paragraphs of text. When I speak of a gift economy, I speak of something that I've seen working in practice over more than a decade, and with items (and effort) of substantial economic value passed around. Claims that one cannot work in practice (given appropriate conditions -- which may include either restriction to non-zero-sum goods or a cap on number of individuals involved) are thus faulty on their face.

As for individuals with no repute being unable to "get their foot in the door" -- acquiring repute is as simple as displaying respect, kindness, utility and selflessness to those who already play. Moreover, repute is not zero-sum in nature -- giving repute to a person who turns out to be deserving is an act which gains one *more* repute, rather than losing it -- making the comparison to conventional currency questionable in nature. Thus, the first issue you posit -- that deserving individuals cannot inject themselves -- does not occur.

As for individuals with high repute having increased influence... well, if these are individuals who got there by demonstrating selflessness to others, where exactly is the problem?

Re:Obligatory economics issue (1)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 2 years ago | (#37732362)

You keep throwing around that "zero-sum" word, as if it indicates a difference between "gift" and "capitalist" economies. But of course, as the stimulus made abundantly clear, current dollars are not zero-sum either.

So how does this matter ?

Btw: those restrictions are pretty fucking harsh restrictions. Either of those restrictions, even if they're pretty mild, would make actual use of that system for any sizeable entity completely impossible.

Re:Obligatory economics issue (1)

cduffy (652) | more than 2 years ago | (#37739110)

You keep throwing around that "zero-sum" word, as if it indicates a difference between "gift" and "capitalist" economies. But of course, as the stimulus made abundantly clear, current dollars are not zero-sum either.

For governments they're not. For you and me they are. Gift economies work well for physical goods only on a small scale, and it's this scale where dollars are very much zero-sum.

Btw: those restrictions are pretty fucking harsh restrictions. Either of those restrictions, even if they're pretty mild, would make actual use of that system for any sizeable entity completely impossible.

Exclusive use, absolutely. Complementary use, not so much.

Re:Obligatory economics issue (1)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 2 years ago | (#37802276)

I just find it pretty dishonest for you to talk about gift "economies" when what you mean in fact is "a small or medium-size charity inside an exclusive group in a capitalist economy". Because that's what you mean.

I guess the absolute biggest example of a gift "economy", as you use the term, would be the catholic church, then ?

Re:Obligatory economics issue (1)

cduffy (652) | more than 2 years ago | (#37805138)

I'm using a term with a meaning established through a history of use (though non-embedded gift economies do exist... but only in small, tribal communities). Any alternate meaning you might assume through unfamiliarity is your own problem.

Re:Obligatory economics issue (1)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 2 years ago | (#37811450)

Those aren't gift economies, they're dictratorships. Obviously you don't pay for stuff in a dictatorship, but I seriously doubt that should be called gift economy. If anything, it's communism.

Re:Obligatory economics issue (1)

cduffy (652) | more than 2 years ago | (#37814466)

Dictatorships? The Pacific Islanders' practice of sharing food? The Papa New Guinea islanders' kula exchange? Native American potlatch? Seriously?

I've been wasting my time responding to a troll. This conversation is over.

Re:Obligatory economics issue (1)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | about 2 years ago | (#37832116)

All of these societies have one singular leader per tribe, who rules by violence. So yes, (tiny) dictatorships.

Re:Best of all they don't take donations (3, Informative)

capedgirardeau (531367) | more than 2 years ago | (#37707742)

The most certainly do take donations but they encourage donations to the EFF as well if you want to instead of donating to cyanogen.

But they still accept donations if you want to give them to cyanogen team:

http://www.cyanogenmod.com/ [cyanogenmod.com]

And scroll down to the bottom of the page, lower right hand side.

Re:Best of all they don't take donations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37708928)

The subteam doesn't. They suggest you donate to EFF, but they say if you absolutely have to, you can donate to the main project (of which most or all are members, but it's not clear if they actually get a cut).

Isn't the guy's name only Cyanogen? (1)

prxp (1023979) | more than 2 years ago | (#37706922)

Isn't CyanogenMod the name of the mod and not the auhtor's? It should be "Cyanogen has ported..."

Re:Isn't the guy's name only Cyanogen? (1)

bl4nk (607569) | more than 2 years ago | (#37706934)

I don't believe Cyanogen himself was directly involved in this effort, so that would be inaccurate.

Re:Isn't the guy's name only Cyanogen? (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 2 years ago | (#37706960)

It is the other way around. Cyanogen is the user's name, CyanogenMod is the Modification of Android he built.

Re:Isn't the guy's name only Cyanogen? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37707764)

Yes, so strictly speaking the title implies that Cyanogen's modified version of Android is so advanced that it's capable of doing Android development by itself.

Re:Isn't the guy's name only Cyanogen? (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 2 years ago | (#37710494)

Well, compared to what comes from Handset Makers, and Google itself, Cyanogen's Mod is pretty rockin version. The fact that Samsung hired the guy says something about that company looking forward. I just wish their phones were built to last all the way through a two year contract. I'd pay an extra $100 for that feature alone.

I just wish Handset makers would realize that we don't want locked bootloaders on what is supposed to be "OPEN" platform. The whole point of Android was that it was Open.

I just wish they had a way to give us the key to unlock the phone. People are doing it anyways, might as well let us. And CyanogenMod proves the value of this development model over their private builds.

Term for CM team (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37707140)

What's the preferred term for "Cyanogen and those who work with Cyanogen on making CyanogenMod"?

Re:Term for CM team (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37710284)

Team Douche, actually. Unsurprisingly, not many tech blogs actually call them that outside of the Android circles.

Re:Isn't the guy's name only Cyanogen? (1)

TrueSpeed (576528) | more than 2 years ago | (#37707166)

Cyanogen was not responsible for the porting CyanogenMod 7 to the HP Touchpad. The primary developer is Erik Hardesty (dalingrin).

Re:Isn't the guy's name only Cyanogen? (1)

Sinning (1433953) | more than 2 years ago | (#37713138)

Dalingrin is also responsible for the port of CM7 to the Barnes & Noble Nook Color.

no, no, no... dammit! WebOS on better hardware! (4, Insightful)

xeno (2667) | more than 2 years ago | (#37706936)

Dammit. That's the wrong way!!! I have an HP Touchpad, and the hardware is mediocre, but WebOS is a work of art. Otoh, I also have multiple android 2.2 & honeycomb devices, and by and large they're fast and flexible, but the OS and app markets are buggy and malware-infested. Why port the middling-common-denominator OS to HP's crummy hardware? "Upgrading" the HP tablets by loading Android is like upgrading a Ford Fiesta with an Isuzu diesel. Sure it'll keep you on the road, but it ain't pretty and it ain't gonna be fun.

What's *really* worth someone's time and effort is a port of WebOS to better hardware. Ginmme an illicit port of WebOS to some of the nicer Samsung 5-10in tablets, the Lenovo K tablet, etc etc (anything with more ports and a faster proc) and I'd be all over it.

Re:no, no, no... dammit! WebOS on better hardware! (1)

bl4nk (607569) | more than 2 years ago | (#37706982)

What's wrong with choice? The real inescapable problem with the TouchPad is the anemic state of the market. There just aren't many apps built for the tablet; the ones that are aren't very good. I agree, webOS is fantastic--especially the multitasking--but beyond that, it's not capable of doing much more than browsing the web using an incredible rudimentary browser.

Re:no, no, no... dammit! WebOS on better hardware! (1)

TerminaMorte (729622) | more than 2 years ago | (#37706984)

WebOS is really nice; got to love the multi-tasking.

But let's look at some of the bad parts.

A browser that is unusable if you have more than a few websites open. A complete lack of apps (even after installing preware).

Even after overclocking to 1.8Ghz, it takes a good 5 seconds after turning a PDF page for it to "unblur" and come into focus. Oh, and the browser does that same blurry, unfocused crap too. Often for more than 15 seconds.

battery goodbye (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 2 years ago | (#37707186)

You overclocked a tablet? Really? Why do you hate your battery?

Have you tried some tweaks [precentral.net] to fix the source of some of the problems first?
yeah, they're a start, but still not enough...

Re:battery goodbye (2)

froggymana (1896008) | more than 2 years ago | (#37709830)

You overclocked a tablet? Really? Why do you hate your battery?

Have you tried some tweaks [precentral.net] to fix the source of some of the problems first?
  yeah, they're a start, but still not enough...

Overclocking mobile devices often results in better battery life. It can do the work faster at the higher clock and then return to a lower clock sooner, saving you battery.

Re:no, no, no... dammit! WebOS on better hardware! (1)

teaserX (252970) | more than 2 years ago | (#37713106)

A complete lack of apps (even after installing preware).

Really, it's this. I'll probably use my Touchpad alot more now that I have CM/Android market on it but I already miss flicking stuff off of the screen.
In a perfect world WebOS developement carries on as FOSS.

Re:no, no, no... dammit! WebOS on better hardware! (2)

xeno (2667) | more than 2 years ago | (#37707038)

Just to be clear, I'm a serious fan of Cyanogen's work from the Zaurus era (went thru several generations of SL & C using his and others' work), and appreciate the effort that has gone into this. But as others have pointed out, the HP is going to some effort to ensure the hardware is a dead end, while WebOS remains a high-end viable platform and the dev base is very much alive. Seems if you're going to work on a niche market ubergeek-OS-mod, you ought to have higher goals.

Re:no, no, no... dammit! WebOS on better hardware! (1)

jschottm (317343) | more than 2 years ago | (#37707950)

Really? A platform that's how many years old now and doesn't have a usable web browser (most browsers figured out that opening tabs in the background was good years ago and I've not seen a browser that didn't remember how far down in the previous page you were when you click back since the mid 90s) or (non-Kindle) e-reader application is what you think is a high-end platform with a alive dev base?

Re:no, no, no... dammit! WebOS on better hardware! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37709828)

Whooooosh.......

Re:no, no, no... dammit! WebOS on better hardware! (1)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 2 years ago | (#37707098)

Dammit. That's the wrong way!!! I have an HP Touchpad, and the hardware is mediocre, but WebOS is a work of art. Otoh, I also have multiple android 2.2 & honeycomb devices, and by and large they're fast and flexible, but the OS and app markets are buggy and malware-infested. Why port the middling-common-denominator OS to HP's crummy hardware? "Upgrading" the HP tablets by loading Android is like upgrading a Ford Fiesta with an Isuzu diesel. Sure it'll keep you on the road, but it ain't pretty and it ain't gonna be fun.

What's *really* worth someone's time and effort is a port of WebOS to better hardware. Ginmme an illicit port of WebOS to some of the nicer Samsung 5-10in tablets, the Lenovo K tablet, etc etc (anything with more ports and a faster proc) and I'd be all over it.

The Touchpad's hardware isn't really a problem relative to other tablets. The Galaxy Tabs and iPads have similar guts; they're only significantly better in the GPU end of things. I think that you really want a redesign of WebOS to make it more efficient without ditching the UI.

Re:no, no, no... dammit! WebOS on better hardware! (1)

codebunny_uk (662489) | more than 2 years ago | (#37707304)

I picked up a Touchpad in the sale and I agree that the WebOS interface is lovely. Easiest the nicest of any tablet OS I've tried (Android 3.2 & IOS). But it's just too damn laggy even when overclocked and hacked to bits. What some of the early (disclaimers apply) Andoird-on-Touchpad benchmarks are showing is that the hardware is actually pretty good, significantly faster than the Tegra 2 tablets. If you put WebOS on the hardware you suggested it would run even slower. The physical build quality of the Touchpad is poor, I grant you. Big, heavy and plastic. Worst of all worlds.

Re:no, no, no... dammit! WebOS on better hardware! (2)

Alex Zepeda (10955) | more than 2 years ago | (#37708094)

Yup. I picked up a Touchpad during the fire sale too. I /just/ received it yesterday. First impression was "oh hey, it's got a nice gouge in it, it's probably a refurb." Second was "yup, this is beta quality software." And the third was "yup, it's really slow to respond." It's got a 1.2 gigahertz dual core Snapdragon. It should be more than fast enough for tablet use.

Yes, webOS 3.0.2 is beta quality software at best. It's pretty, but it's got lots of rough edges. For instance, DHCP is disabled by default. On first boot I connected to my WiFi access point, and then was prompted to enter in IP address and gateway manually. Uh? Really HP? Really? Once I got past that I started playing with the apps. Wouldn't you know it, built-in apps and apps you download are listed in separate areas. The "App Catalog" is listed with the downloads, not the built-in apps. Pivot looked really neat. I flipped through it quickly, downloaded a few apps. Installed a few updates. Now that initial (July) issue of Pivot has disappeared and was replaced by a "Coming Soon" notice. Nice. I started playing with the instant messaging app. Well, tried to. For each IM I send the tablet vibrates ones and makes two distinct noises. Upon receipt of an IM it does the same thing. If the IM app is in the background, same thing... when you bring the app into the foreground, it goes through the same rigamarole all over again. And, of course, on occasion the foreground app just stops responding, but the system otherwise seems to respond to touch input.

Oh... and the web browser. Why do they have to make it so difficult to scroll vertically? For pages that don't expand beyond the screen's horizontal borders it would be real nice to... you know... disable horizontal scrolling. There's a native YouTube app, but the browser will still open youtube videos using flash. C'mon guys, even Android got that one right (it prompts the user which app to use).

If Apotheker hadn't been so keen on starving Hurd's baby, HP could have turned out a really nice tablet. For $150, the TouchPad IS a really nice tablet (with buttons that feel cheaper than my $150 no-contract Android phone, however). For $500 it's a piece of crap. What I'd like to see HP do is this: resume production of the Touchpad and sell it at cost for the time being; put some effort into optimizing webOS and fixing some of the niggling problems.

Re:no, no, no... dammit! WebOS on better hardware! (1)

Alex Zepeda (10955) | more than 2 years ago | (#37708456)

Cool. I just went through the process of importing a self-signed certificate. Annoying because you don't get any clue from the mail app what the problem was (nice touch, HP). More annoying because you can't save "inline" text files to disk from the browser. Comical because once you add the certificate, the first one in the list is inaccessible (it's hidden by the header). And just downright painful because it took about 45 seconds to actually import it after tapping "Done". It's kinda like they didn't even use it before releasing it.

Re:no, no, no... dammit! WebOS on better hardware! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37709426)

The Touchpad isn't set to static IP by default. It sounds like you really did get a refurb.

Re:no, no, no... dammit! WebOS on better hardware! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37707872)

anyone that says this either has never used Webos or never used Android. WebOS has so many issues, documented all over the web and in this thread. HP's hardware is hardly crummy. The hardware is excellent at the firesale pricepoint. Using android on touchpad is a major upgrade. There is nothing great about WebOS, and nothing it can do that a proper Android port can't.

Re:no, no, no... dammit! WebOS on better hardware! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37709186)

WTF? Are you seriously trolling? The hardware is crap. Everyone who's been using WebOS for some time - years in some cases - has said so, and knows so.

The problem isn't webOS, the problem is that the former CEO was a dickhead and killed the baby in the crib. WebOS 3.0.2 is not exactly what I call 100% baked.

Re:no, no, no... dammit! WebOS on better hardware! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37708142)

Okey dokey...
The HP Touchpad has the same high quality IPS screen as the iPad, most android tablets don't have. The K tablet also has an IPS screen, but it only has a 1GHz dual core Tegra 2 processor while the HP Touchpad has a 1.5GHz dual core processor (underclocked to 1.2GHz) of the same ARM architecture generation. The graphics part of the Tegra 2 chip is considered superior to the Snapdragon's though. I'd say that the HP Touchpad's hardware is actually better than most Android tablets. However, I'd definitely say that the HP Touchpad's build quality isn't so hot.

Re:no, no, no... dammit! WebOS on better hardware! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37708218)

hahaha...
I'm writing this on my touchpad, which is soon to be upgraded with their port.

webOS isn't too bad, but there's so much more that can be done on an android device.

Re:no, no, no... dammit! WebOS on better hardware! (1)

jittles (1613415) | more than 2 years ago | (#37708642)

Actually, I have an Android and HP Touchpad tablet. I used to prefer the Android Tablet as it was faster and more reliable. Battery life was also better. Then I found an article online talking about improving the Touchpad's speed by disabling all the logging they do on the blasted device. Now my HP Touchpad is faster and more responsive than my Transformer, or an iPad 2

Re:no, no, no... dammit! WebOS on better hardware! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37713444)

Info available several places, including here -- http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-news/how-to-improve-the-performance-of-your-new-hp-touchpad/3866

Re:(-1, crap analogy) (2)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 2 years ago | (#37711410)

Why port the middling-common-denominator OS to HP's crummy hardware? "Upgrading" the HP tablets by loading Android is like upgrading a Ford Fiesta with an Isuzu diesel. Sure it'll keep you on the road, but it ain't pretty and it ain't gonna be fun.

The problem with WebOS is it's future existence. When the future of an OS is questioned so is the future of its apps. Android and iOS have been getting better with every release. Their application pool is continuously growing. The usefulness of a device running these OSes is continuously growing.

The same can not be said for a WebOS.

A car analogy would be upgrading your home made cooking fat powered car by putting in a diesel engine from a commercial vehicle which doesn't quite fit. It may not look pretty but at least you know that a) you can get parts for it, and b) it's usable and refillable anywhere, c) more people are invested in keeping diesel engines running than just you.

Re:no, no, no... dammit! WebOS on better hardware! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37712942)

How is it worth someone's time when 5 pople would use it? That's probably being generous too...

In the time spent using webOS I really don't get why it is so awesome. I'll take your grossly exaggerated buggy apps and malware over having angry birds and a browser. A browser that goes to the card view every time I fat finger scrolling from the bottom.

Re:no, no, no... dammit! WebOS on better hardware! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37721090)

It is really tiresome to hear from WebOS fanboys.
WebOS on touchpad is really a beta quality software. Consider the most important application web browser, when you click a link you get (in order of occurence)
1. Popup menu
2. Nothing happen with or without visual feedback
3. Actually take you to the link
And when you returns, you get back to the very top of the page.
This is not a big deal if WebOS is being actively supported but that is not the case.

Re:no, no, no... dammit! WebOS on better hardware! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37724076)

Hmm, no. Please stop spreading this myth. webOS sucks, the applications suck, the default browser is so horrible it won't even properly open Google sites like gmail and reader (it defaults to the non-mobile version which do not work on webkit browsers - if you accidentally open those on an iPad they don't work either), the design decisions are so horrible that OUT OF THE BOX it is unusable - and I'd say even after those tweaks it is still barely usable, since you can't access Reader and Gmail.

I just installed the Cyanogen Android port and whoa, is it so unbelievably better, feels so much faster, the browser is so incredibly better...

So no, stop spreading this lie. Whoever says "webOS is fantastic" is a fanboy and must be treated accordingly.

interesting exercise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37706956)

But honestly, what's the point? There's a finite number of touchpads out there. Even if HP ever ships the rumored "final batch" to anyone except employees, there's still a finite number.

And of that finite number, now many will run C'Mod? A couple hundred perhaps? That's a lot of work for little what? There's not even a reward really.

Well, like the title says, it's an interesting exercise in bringing C'Mod up on a new device and someone learned something along the way. More power to them but if it were me doing it, I'd be doing it on something with a little more gas in the tank after takeoff.

Re:interesting exercise (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 2 years ago | (#37707070)

I don't know how many Touchpads are out there, but certainly far more than some of the other niche platforms CyanogenMod supports. Maybe 300k? 500k? There are a shitload of devices, and I think your estimates are way off. I wouldn't be surprised if the number of people who run Android on the Touchpad far exceeds the number on the Nook Color, for example.

Re:interesting exercise (1)

V-similitude (2186590) | more than 2 years ago | (#37707340)

Rumored "final batch"? I got mine last week. I ordered from the HP SMB store and was delayed for a month and a half while they sent multiple e-mails saying that I was in the queue, they just had to be built. I like the webOS interface, but bottom line is lack of apps and community means it's a non-starter, so I'm eager for the android port.

Re:interesting exercise (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#37708508)

finite number of touchpads

It only takes one for it to be worth it. The one owned by the guy that does the porting. All the rest is gravy.

Great...but so what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37707058)

It's great that they got this far with porting Android, but I'd rather stick with webOS with Ubuntu running in a card.

Alpha build is performing admirably (1)

TrueSpeed (576528) | more than 2 years ago | (#37707110)

It's an alpha build, but it works extremely well on my 32GB Touchpad. You also get the best of both worlds by being able to boot into either WebOS or Android.

Expect to give this a try (1)

anton.karl (1843146) | more than 2 years ago | (#37707130)

I got one of the TouchPads on the firesale and while I have been pleasantly surprised by how excellent the user interface is in WebOS I must say that the quality of apps available is not good enough. My demands for a tablet are quite modest in terms of available software but, too take an example, since it is a tablet I expect at least a good pdf reading experience. The pdf reader on the TouchPad has no features beyond the definition of a pdf reader. I can't annotate pdfs and I can't invert the colors to make it easier on the eyes. While those are just some arbitrary features that I happen to want they will probably never be available for the TouchPad because nothing at all is happening in terms of development. I still think the deal was good because the price was so low but getting access to current and future choices from the Android platform will be totally different. I haven't actually checked which pdf readers are available for Android but I have no doubt that there are some choices and more will be developed in the future. While $150 (for the 32 GB version) was a steal for a basic tablet experience and despite the generally nice user interface design of WebOS I think I will get more out of Android in the long run. I plan to give this a try.

Re:Expect to give this a try (1)

TrueSpeed (576528) | more than 2 years ago | (#37707306)

My sentiments exactly. The app selection in the HP marketplace is very slim pickings. Regardless of how good the user experience is the lack of applications just nullifies every argument in favor of the Touchpad. You never really understand how important an ecosystem is until you're dependent on it. Had Android not been ported to the Touchpad I would sold it a long time ago. I'll probably never get rid of the WebOS partition because it's still an interesting OS to use. It was actually a bit of a shock coming from WebOS to CyanogenMod because I was so used to the WebOS gestures - so much so that I even tried to kill an app by flipping it towards the top of the screen. The card metaphor is also quite nice because you know exactly what's running instantly. I hope ICS steals some of the UI and UE features of WebOS because it really was an outstanding UI.

Re:Expect to give this a try (1)

SpiralSpirit (874918) | more than 2 years ago | (#37710726)

steal some ui elements? are you crazy? thats like, 14 bajillion dollars worth of damage in patent infringing tech. Injunctions would be issued, and in the end HP would own huge portions of google. well, not really, but still. I'm sure the results would be ridiculous.

Re:Expect to give this a try (1)

cciardi (549281) | more than 2 years ago | (#37709016)

Same thoughts. WebOS functioned quite well. I believe the reason it didn't take off is very simple. No apps and HORRIFIC phones. IMO, had WebOS been married to a nice HTC phone phone (ie Incredible, EVO) it may have made some inroads. Another one bites the dust

Re:Expect to give this a try (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37712356)

I second this. my biggest complain is not the number of apps but the quality of apps. For example, I cannot find a decent calculator, xvid player, a epub reader. It is beyond pathetic. If I have time, I'll port my PC calculator to WebOS - which is better than all the offerings.

First impressions (2)

DRMShill (1157993) | more than 2 years ago | (#37707594)

I've been following this project since they first announced it and got a Touchpad through the firesale. I got it installed today and here's what I can say about it:

Cyanogen calling it pre alpha is kind of underselling it. It's quite usable. The only nasty problem for my purposes is that the wifi is kind of flakey. I've heard power management isn't so great yet but I've had it plugged in the entire day. I've loaded Tunein, Netflix, Pandora, all the different emulators and they all seem to work.

So nice work Cyanogen, looking forward to future updates.

Re:First impressions (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37707874)

Cyanogen is a person. He didn't do the porting you fucking retard. The CyanogenMod Team did it.

Re:First impressions (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#37708474)

That was a bit harsh.

Re:First impressions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37708828)

A bit? :-)
More like
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

Kmod doWn (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37707898)

we al know, crisco or lube. Others what to

Finding one (1)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 2 years ago | (#37710344)

Now if only you could FIND one of those cheap Touchpads....

Re:Finding one (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 2 years ago | (#37710956)

    That's what the fire sale was for. It's not like it wasn't all over the news, and every tech site before it happened.

Re:Finding one (1)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 2 years ago | (#37715538)

Actually it wasn't. It was all over tech sites later in the day after it started, once almost all of them had already been sold.

Re:Finding one (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 2 years ago | (#37717396)

    Not really. It may have been later in the day that *you* read it.

    I saw the news stories. I even heard it on the evening TV news. I started checking places to buy that night, and didn't find anything available yet. I kept checking overnight. It was something like 6am Eastern that BestBuy made their inventory available at the new price, so I purchased mine. It was at about 9:30am that I could no longer purchase from them. Other outlets still showed stock in their stores later in the day, but those were pretty much depleted by the end of the day.

    I ordered 3, to 3 separate addresses (3 people wanted them) from BestBuy's site. One for me. Two for others who knew I'd be up all night anyways. They were filled from 3 different shipping centers, even though the orders were put in just minutes apart. They arrived over the following week, even though all the destinations were only a few miles apart.

    Most of the news stories I saw after that were regarding what you could do with your new found discount tablet.
   

Re:Finding one (1)

Tarmas (954439) | more than 2 years ago | (#37711418)

You can still get a brand new Touchpad for $220-240 for the 16 GB model. That's still cheap for a tablet like this.

Or, you know... (1)

gregthebunny (1502041) | more than 2 years ago | (#37712196)

...you could continue to run webOS on the damn thing. Since, you know... it's better and all. I still cannot find the appeal of Android. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough, but something tells me I shouldn't have to.

Re:Or, you know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37714562)

The problem is that many app developers downed-tools on WebOS work. Such as Citrix and Amazon. Their apps exist but are only half-functional and will never be finished.

Re:Or, you know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37715384)

Android: clumsier OS, clumsier native browser, but there are two GOOD browsers downloadable (Opera and Firefox) and tons of apps and tons of customization options to improve it (eg LauncherPro)
WebOS: clumsy OS and clumsy browser, but nicer than OOTB Android. Eff-all for Apps, only a few customization options (and then only if you put it in developer mode and install preware.) No browser alternative.

using android on touchpad now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37712626)

Writing this from my touchpad. Only had a bit of time to play with it last night. I agree with anyone who says calling this an alpha is "underselling" No problems yet at all. Things are more responsive than webos has been for me,e specially, the web. Looking forward to trying pdfs ... and finding a replacement for the default keyboard.

It runs pretty well. (1)

indecks (1208854) | more than 2 years ago | (#37713648)

I installed the CM7 uh.. mod into my Touchpad and so far it works great. There are two bugs I've noticed, one of them very minor, the other somewhat major.

Firstly, when installing the mod into the tablet, I noticed that it deleted all of my comics on the webOS portion. I had a small stash of comics to read using the comicHD app, and they were deleted. Not a problem, I have backups, so that's a tiny issue that is easily resolved.

The other thing I noticed is that if the tablet is allowed to sit idle for a while and go to sleep, it will lock up after an unspecified amount of time. I noticed i left mine alone for a few hours to charge up, and it was locked. I had to hold the pwr/home buttons for 20 seconds to reboot it. But it came up just fine after the fact.

I really like Android so far. I'm an iPhone user so I'm more familiar with iOS but I wasn't a huge fan of webOS with the small amount of time I spent with it. It works ok, I suppose, but I dont like the browser, and the App Catalog is -as previously mentioned by others- very slim pickings.
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