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Analysis of 250,000 Hacker Conversations

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the strange-predilection-for-pancakes dept.

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Orome1 writes "Imperva released a report (PDF) analyzing the content and activities of an online hacker forum with nearly 220,000 registered members, although many are dormant. The forum is used by hackers for training, communications, collaboration, recruitment, commerce and even social interaction. Commercially, this forum serves as a marketplace for selling of stolen data and attack software. The chat rooms are filled with technical subjects ranging from advice on attack planning to solicitations for help with specific campaigns."

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The word 'hacker' (3, Insightful)

telekon (185072) | more than 2 years ago | (#37744832)

you're using it wrong.

Re:The word 'hacker' (-1, Offtopic)

telekon (185072) | more than 2 years ago | (#37744842)

Also... just because in twelve years of using /., I've never done this... FIRST!!

Re:The word 'hacker' (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37744934)

Actually it looks like you still haven't done it. Better luck in the next 12 years.

Re:The word 'hacker' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37745516)

First post: you're doing it wrong.

Re:The word 'hacker' (1)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 2 years ago | (#37744902)

Plus it seems like a cheap, easy way for them to say "Hey, look.... we pay attention to stuff".

Im not buying what they are selling.

Re:The word 'hacker' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37744942)

And since they don't post the forum in question their study is complete shit.

Re:The word 'hacker' (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37745038)

Take a look through the pdf, you'll find the forum in question in one of the screenshots that they forgot (intentional?) to scrub

Re:The word 'hacker' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37744944)

You do realize why the mass media does not use the term "cracker", right? It's not because they don't know the difference between "hacker" and "cracker". It's due to the negative racial connotations that the word "cracker" has, especially in America.

Re:The word 'hacker' (0, Flamebait)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#37745052)

It's due to the negative racial connotations that the word "cracker" has, especially in America.

What is the "negative racial connotation" of the word "cracker"?

I always thought "cracker" referred to a dumb racist, usually Southern.

I'm not sure being a dumb racist is considered a negative in America.

Re:The word 'hacker' (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37745128)

Dunno about "cracker" being reserved for those who are racist. I hear it used largely as a simple derogatory slur for a white male.

Re:The word 'hacker' (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37745136)

Umm, you're quite mistaken. It's a much more general racial slur that's often directed at any white person or people, regardless of where they come from and regardless of their opinions of other races.

It's quite often used in predominantly black and Hispanic areas of cities like N.Y.C, L.A. and D.C., where it's often directed at white police officers, white public school teachers, white social workers, and other white people who are often among the most tolerant and supportive of other races.

Re:The word 'hacker' (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#37750138)

It's quite often used in predominantly black and Hispanic areas of cities like N.Y.C, L.A. and D.C., where it's often directed at white police officers, white public school teachers, white social workers, and other white people who are often among the most tolerant and supportive of other races.

You sure there Sparky?

Re:The word 'hacker' (0)

pclminion (145572) | more than 2 years ago | (#37745370)

What is the "negative racial connotation" of the word "cracker"? I always thought "cracker" referred to a dumb racist, usually Southern.

A racially charged epithet which is used to refer to a group of people who use racially charged epithets, you don't see any irony there?

Re:The word 'hacker' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37747158)

Is "nigger" ironic for the same reason?

Re:The word 'hacker' (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 2 years ago | (#37745180)

You do realize why the mass media does not use the term "cracker", right?

I don't think 'cracker' is the best word Slashdot could have used here. 'Cyber-criminal', perhaps.

Re:The word 'hacker' (5, Informative)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#37744958)

you're using it wrong.

I've pretty much given up on it. You can't blame /., it's the Medi-uh who have tarred Hackers with by association with Crackers and criminals.

You start explaining the difference between the two to anyone and they'll think you're some kinda weirdo. You're in luck if their eyes simply glaze over rather than they go call DHS and report you as some sort of undesirable.

Re:The word 'hacker' (1)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | more than 2 years ago | (#37745028)

Perhaps it is time for true hackers, in the original non-criminal sense, to come up with a new word to describe themselves.
I do consider myself a hacker in the original non-criminal use of the word.

Re:The word 'hacker' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37745270)

It's better to just let your actions speak for themselves, and let the William Gibsons of the society come up with the words to describe what you do.

Re:The word 'hacker' (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37745860)

Technomancer?

Re:The word 'hacker' (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37745470)

I nominate the word cracker. It's not being used. Well not THAT way.

Re:The word 'hacker' (1)

chuckymonkey (1059244) | more than 2 years ago | (#37745630)

We go by makers now.

Re:The word 'hacker' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37746116)

We go by makers now.

No we don't.

But, every time your self indulgence overflows publicly like that, one more member joins the cause...

Late one night, while the baby penguins rest their bushy eyes. A group of kids, with too many piercings and other meaningless attempts at self expression, sneak into a zoo. Only the lions are more excited with delight, as pure hell is unleashed.

The next day the media craps themselves, as the most sensational news story of the year lurches from the bowels of an Orwellian nightmare. A dozen penguins remade into art, using shrinky-dinks and play-doh, with their neon spray painted twig like appendages. Appendages now fixed into a ghoulish dance pose complete with disco ball head and motorized limbs. Limbs that writhe in response to the cries of children, thanks to clever use of sensors and feedback.

And that's how makers will forever be remembered.

Chilli Willy, know thy enemy.

Re:The word 'hacker' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37749106)

dewd..shut the hell up.

Re:The word 'hacker' (1)

black6host (469985) | more than 2 years ago | (#37746244)

I propose "slacker"! Just kidding, I started out with this stuff on os-9. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS-9/ [wikipedia.org] (actually, before that but that was and has been one of my most favorite OS's of all time) I bet a few remember that OS, it was one of the few at the time that was re-entrant.

Re:The word 'hacker' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37747554)

I don't need to remember it. I have a PowerMac 8600 with OS 9.2.1 still running and http://sheepshaver.cebix.net/ in all my linux machines.

Re:The word 'hacker' (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#37750212)

Perhaps it is time for true hackers, in the original non-criminal sense, to come up with a new word to describe themselves. I do consider myself a hacker in the original non-criminal use of the word.

Tinkerer-nerd? Fiddler-geek? Aspie-mechanic?

Re:The word 'hacker' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37746068)

I think the word hacker is scarier than cracker.
I can't blame them, eating crackers with cheese is nice, but someone with an axe is something else.

Re:The word 'hacker' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37746508)

Gay use to mean happy. Gay then became homosexual. Gay has now worked it way towards lame. (Though the homosexuals are fighting to keep it theirs). The point is, word meanings change with time. Hacker has gone the way of gay. Embrace change, embrace change.

Re:The word 'hacker' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37746728)

So... What if you're both homosexual -and- lame?

Re:The word 'hacker' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37748616)

Do you mean lame like crippled or gay?

Re:The word 'hacker' (0)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#37750312)

Only people who are either anti-homosexual or simply childishly ignorant of the effect of words use "gay" to mean "lame",

Re:The word 'hacker' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37747520)

I don't care much about that difference. Whoever breaks into my house is a criminal. It doesn't matter if he doesn't steal anything, he is still a criminal to me.

Re:The word 'hacker' (1)

cavreader (1903280) | more than 2 years ago | (#37749202)

I think the "Hackers" have did their part in associating "Hackers" with criminals. And don't worry too much people probably think you are a wierdo no matter what subject you are talking about.

Keep fighting this useless fight. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37744960)

You can't win against inertia, Sisyphus.

No, they aren't. (4, Insightful)

FoolishOwl (1698506) | more than 2 years ago | (#37745174)

In the first place, the meaning of a word is its use. Using "hacker" to mean people who bypass computer security to steal data or sabotage systems has been the overwhelmingly dominant use of the expression for thirty years, well-established in journalism and entertainment. I've read the essays by RMS and ESR describing the "hacker ethic", and I've read Steven Levy's "Hackers", and those are literally the only places I've ever seen "hacker" used with the positive meaning of unorthodox, enthusiastic, and highly skilled programmers, aside from the occasional references to RMS, ESR, and Levy, to complain about the prevailing usage of the term

Second, even from those accounts of the early history of programming at MIT, it was clear that "hacker" had an ambiguous meaning, at best. As I recall, Levy describes "hack" as a slang term in general use at MIT, to mean a clever and well-executed prank, such as disassembling a car and reassembling it in the owner's room. The MIT hackers were notorious for ignoring inconvenient rules governing computer access; Levy mentions how many of them took correspondence courses on locksmithing, so they could bypass locked doors.

Re:No, they aren't. (1)

pgward (2086802) | more than 2 years ago | (#37745290)

The term "hacker" was coined long before computers and had nothing to do with sabotage or bypassing computer security. This is just the meaning it has been given over the past thirty years by journalist and the media at large. The term referred to the activities of people who were curious about the inner workings of devices and not satisfied with assuming a device was functioning to its full potential because a manufacturer told them so. An example of this would be opening up a toaster, seeing a method in which heat could be focused better, and modifying the toaster to perform better than before. I'd argue that my great uncle was a hacker because he modified a plumbing system for his dairy farm so that under heavy load he could place a sack of potatoes on a platform and create higher pressure to empty the system faster.

Re:No, they aren't. (4, Informative)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 2 years ago | (#37745514)

The term "hacker" was coined long before computers and had nothing to do with sabotage or bypassing computer security.

Indeed. Unfortunately, the way language works, the popular usage gets dibs. See Oxford's and how they update it every year.

Re:No, they aren't. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37746340)

Just like poor old Mr Decimate. For eons he was 90% of his former self, now he's pretty much destroyed.

Re:No, they aren't. (2)

pnot (96038) | more than 2 years ago | (#37745838)

The term "hacker" was coined long before computers... The term referred to the activities of people who were curious about the inner workings of devices and not satisfied with assuming a device was functioning to its full potential because a manufacturer told them so.

Can you show me a usage of the word "hacker" in your sense from before, let's say, 1950?

Of course you're right that the term "hacker" existed before computers; it's just that the various meanings were related to lumber and agriculture rather than opening toasters, as far as I'm aware.

I'd be delighted to be corrected, though.

Re:No, they aren't. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37747146)

http://tmrc.mit.edu/hackers-ref.html

Re:No, they aren't. (1)

pnot (96038) | more than 2 years ago | (#37747232)

http://tmrc.mit.edu/hackers-ref.html

You misunderstand. I don't want to see more people on the Internet claiming "hacker originally meant people who disassembled their appliances, long before computers were invented". I know there are plenty of people claiming that, not least on Slashdot, but I've never seen any evidence. I was asking for a reference to an actual primary source published before 1950 using that sense of "hacker". Google Books makes this kind of research a lot easier than it used to be, but personally I've had no luck turning up any early references to the MIT sense of "hacker".

Re:References to Early MIT sense (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 2 years ago | (#37747820)

Okay, here are at least some closer links.

Starting here: http://oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/appb.html [oreilly.com]

1. "In 1990 the MIT Museum put together a journal documenting the hacking phenomenon." (Aka, not just 'someone on the internet but MIT producing their own journal.)
2. "The first self-described computer hackers of the 1960s MIT campus originated from a late 1950s student group called the Tech Model Railroad Club. A tight clique within the club was the Signals and Power (S&P) Committee-the group behind the railroad club's electrical circuitry system. The system was a sophisticated assortment of relays and switches similar to the kind that controlled the local campus phone system. To control it, a member of the group simply dialed in commands via a connected phone and watched the trains do his bidding. "
3. "By the end of the 1950s, the entire S&P clique had migrated en masse over to the TX-0 control room, bringing the spirit of creative play with them. The wide-open realm of computer programming would encourage yet another mutation in etymology. "To hack" no longer meant soldering unusual looking circuits, but cobbling together software programs with little regard to "official" methods or software-writing procedures."

And from there, the rest is easier.

Re:No, they aren't. (2)

agrif (960591) | more than 2 years ago | (#37745700)

I've read the essays by RMS and ESR describing the "hacker ethic", and I've read Steven Levy's "Hackers", and those are literally the only places I've ever seen "hacker" used with the positive meaning of unorthodox, enthusiastic, and highly skilled programmers, aside from the occasional references to RMS, ESR, and Levy, to complain about the prevailing usage of the term

The positive definition of the word "hacker" is in wide use in the new DIY community, and I've seen it in Make [makezine.com] and of course BoingBoing [boingboing.net]. It's still in wide use in the subculture that it applies to. Personally I think the media has been getting (slowly) better as well, with the occasional story about hackers that isn't in the negative sense.

Normally I'm a strong supporter of dynamic language, where words mean what they're accepted to mean; I'm just emotionally attached to this particular word and it's hard to let it go. I'm still hoping we don't have to.

Re:No, they aren't. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37745910)

The definition of Irony

the meaning of a word is its use

Re:No, they aren't. (1)

MaskedSlacker (911878) | more than 2 years ago | (#37746534)

Is this some attempt at meta humor, a joke about not knowing the definition of irony?

Or are you one of those people who think dictionaries define the meaning of words?

Irony is a (slightly) different case -- while yes, there is the popular meaning of irony in its usage, that doesn't change the fact that the term has a TECHNICAL meaning (just as resistance has a technical meaning in the field of electronics that is quite different from its meaning in other contexts) that is still well defined. The use of a word in other senses and contexts does not negate the TECHNICAL meaning of the term, it only adds to and, in some cases, confuses it.

Re:No, they aren't. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37747286)

A hacker is indeed a person who ignore boundaries to achieve a certain objective... or attempt to at least. It is in a hackers nature to push the limits regardless of who says you can or can't do it. A hacker does it ONLY if it is necessary. A cracker does it because it can be done.

Re:No, they aren't. (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#37747570)

well it used to be that selling phone network cracking devices was an OK way to finance your computer company which sues people who hack their sw to run on white box machines.

so 30 years ago there was no difference between hacker and a cracker. there still isn't, the context is what makes it "bad" or "good", and even that depends on who the viewer to the situation is.

Re:No, they aren't. (1)

hex socket (1289574) | more than 2 years ago | (#37748018)

I've read the essays by RMS and ESR describing the "hacker ethic", and I've read Steven Levy's "Hackers", and those are literally the only places I've ever seen "hacker" used with the positive meaning of unorthodox, enthusiastic, and highly skilled programmers

You must be new here.

Re:The word 'hacker' (4, Insightful)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 2 years ago | (#37745228)

Exactly! Words never change meaning, as we all know!

I'm sure you'll also support my quest against people who use the wrong definition of undertaker (originally meant entrepreneur, not this bastardised meaning of the funeral guy!, and doctor (what as we all know really means teacher, not medical doctor!). I'm always the first to correct people whenever they use the wrong definitions of these words. Long live the originalists!

Re:The word 'hacker' (2)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#37745318)

Exactly! Words never change meaning, as we all know!

I'm sure you'll also support my quest against people who use the wrong definition of undertaker (originally meant entrepreneur, not this bastardised meaning of the funeral guy!, and doctor (what as we all know really means teacher, not medical doctor!). I'm always the first to correct people whenever they use the wrong definitions of these words. Long live the originalists!

A word of warning - if you talk about "throwing a faggot on the fire", be very careful who's within earshot.

Re:The word 'hacker' (1)

Psychotria (953670) | more than 2 years ago | (#37748630)

Exactly! Words never change meaning, as we all know!

I'm sure you'll also support my quest against people who use the wrong definition of undertaker (originally meant entrepreneur, not this bastardised meaning of the funeral guy!, and doctor (what as we all know really means teacher, not medical doctor!). I'm always the first to correct people whenever they use the wrong definitions of these words. Long live the originalists!

A word of warning - if you talk about "throwing a faggot on the fire", be very careful who's within earshot.

I am sure that would be an aw[e]ful sight to see. It might even be terr[or]ific! Fortunately those who know about spelling might be able to help because they... well, know how to cast the spell (how else could they write!) to fix these things. Now that I cast my mind back, there might be something else relevant there, but I cannot be sure. What's so wrong with being full of awe, anyway? It's not as if going either way is going to make much difference.

Re:The word 'hacker' (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#37750474)

A word of warning - if you talk about "throwing a faggot on the fire", be very careful who's within earshot.

I had a couple of faggots for dinner last night. Delicious with mashed potato, gravy and peas.

Re:The word 'hacker' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37745436)

Be sure to tell that to schizophrenics.

Re:The word 'hacker' (1)

J. T. MacLeod (111094) | more than 2 years ago | (#37745990)

There difference is that there are still numerous professionals who will stand by the old definition of the word "hacker" because it is a common term for them.

The general public calls plasma "blood". Should we tell the doctors to give up correcting people on this because hey, words change meaning?

Re:The word 'hacker' (1)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 2 years ago | (#37747078)


There difference is that there are still numerous professionals who will stand by the old definition of the word "hacker" because it is a common term for them.

I'm one of those numerous professionals, and I recognise that the word hacker has multiple meanings, dependant on context. The problem is that the OP was trying to deny a perfectly valid, and widely accepted definition.

The general public calls plasma "blood".

It does? That's a new on on me. I've never heard someone call plasma, blood before.

Should we tell the doctors to give up correcting people on this because hey, words change meaning?

If the meaning had been so corrupted that 99% of the population didn't know what plasma was, then yes. This hasn't happened (your example is incredibly bad). Language is used for communication, not some weird holy war where words are real things. People gave up the original definitions of doctor long ago, to the point where if someone says "I'm a doctor" (and provides no other context), everyone just assumes a medical doctor, and not someone with a PHD. People insisting on the original definition are quite rightly looked at as kooks.

Re:The word 'hacker' (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#37750572)

The general public calls plasma "blood"

The general public calls the mixture of red stuff that comes out of a joint of meat or a cut on your finger "blood" because that's what it is. Plasma is a colourless liquid constituent of blood.

Your criticism is like saying that we should call beer "water" because that's what it is mostly made of.

Re:The word 'hacker' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37747586)

I am working on a project that will deduce the original Proto-Human language from all presently known languages. Once it's complete, we can all go back to speaking the one and only true and proper original human language! These arguments will be settled once and for all - scientifically.

I did a trial run yesterday, but there are still some bugs. All I got for output was "Oook!".

Re:The word 'hacker' (4, Insightful)

pnot (96038) | more than 2 years ago | (#37745554)

I entirely agree: I keep telling people that it means "an implement for hacking, chopping wood, or breaking up earth", as it has done since the 1400s, but there's always some twat whining that it's got something to do with computer programming. Don't these people know that once a word is coined, its meaning is set in stone for eternity?

Re:The word 'hacker' (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#37750176)

What's wrong with the word "criminal"?

I realise that we can't use "thief" because these people are just copying electronic information, rather than depriving the original 'owners' of any physical 'property'.

Social Interaction? (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 2 years ago | (#37744874)

You mean hackers get dates there?

Re:Social Interaction? (4, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#37744910)

You mean hackers get dates there?

They try .. all those love letters to Darth Vader, Mal and Tom Servo come back unopened...

Re:Social Interaction? (2)

BuckaBooBob (635108) | more than 2 years ago | (#37745040)

Hackers have been getting dates longer than there have been computers around...

Go look up hot rodders... They were probably the most sought after hackers for a date in their day.. even today they are still sought after by alot of women..

Re:Social Interaction? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37745736)

Women. I do not think that word means what you think it means. Maybe you meant girls.

Re:Social Interaction? (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#37750632)

Go look up hot rodders... They were probably the most sought after hackers for a date in their day.. even today they are still sought after by alot of women..

Yeah, if there's one thing that turns chicks on it's men who are obsessed with cars and customising them for enhanced performance.

Big problem with this article. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37744876)

There's a big problem with this article. They're using the term "hackers" to describe hackforums.net.

FBI honeypot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37745032)

it's the only reason this site gets so much media attention.

I Think I Feel Uncomfortable About This (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | more than 2 years ago | (#37745186)

Little of the communications was about respective pron? As a group, have Hackers become, and it is troubling to say it, but are they, "Settled Down?"

One sympathizes.

ehhh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37745258)

You talk funny.

Shooting in the dark? (1)

Froggels (1724218) | more than 2 years ago | (#37745282)

The general idea is good and would be quite interesting, but there appears to be just too much room for error in this "study". Ihr koennt's bestimmt noch viel besser

And what is this data good for? (1)

Hentes (2461350) | more than 2 years ago | (#37745324)

Most people on those forums are noob scriptkiddies anyway.

Re:And what is this data good for? (2)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#37747602)

the pie chart? it's an advertisement for imperva.

"Imperva offers award-winning database and application security, reporting and audit solutions for organizations across the globe"

I have real beef with (2)

nimbius (983462) | more than 2 years ago | (#37745476)

security corporations that house their own research "centers" or "divisions" and expect the findings to be taken with any degree of credibility like cern. from tfr, the group basically wrote an egrep script to parse about a month or so of channel logs, then converted their "analysis" into pretty pictures. the pretty pictures are then ginned up with nuggets of knowledge like "Since forums provide a sense of community, they are a natural location for social interaction." and "Hacking has become more and more complicated with several components required to execute attacks". toss in a few buzzwords like lulzsec, and you're done after 14 pages with a very large font. TL;DR: this is produced to be consumed by customers, not technical audiences like slashdot.

Re:I have real beef with (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37746410)

Slashdot is technical? Could have fooled me... the majority of the conversation in this thread has been about the misuse of the word 'hacker'...

possible wiretapping (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37745494)

I wonder how all of these conversations were recorded. If it was a 'public' forum, that would be ok.

If, however, they used false identities, masqueraded as other forum members, or outright tapped the communications going to the servers, then those gathering the information were in violation of several laws. Did they violate the server or forum EULA and TOS? Did they inform those conversing that the conversations were being recorded?

Is it fine when corporate entities do it for the purpose of profit, and only 'hacking' when individuals do it? Just wondering.

Re:possible wiretapping (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37750038)

Server owner OK'ed it.

How I know: The dude posted on twitter about this before it happened.

so what's the forum name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37746252)

so what's the forum name?

Here's the analysis: (1)

smitty97 (995791) | more than 2 years ago | (#37746736)

Most conversations start about a particular tech topic, then quickly diverge into arguments about Monty Python, Apple, Microsoft, Star Trek, The Force, Imagine a Beowulf of those, All your base belong to us, Good luck with that, It's a Trap, What could possibly go wrong, Move out of your parents basement, Yeah right, you have a girlfriend, Get off my lawn, and Dupe!

Re:Here's the analysis: (1)

Phrogman (80473) | more than 2 years ago | (#37748274)

Most conversations start about a particular tech topic, then quickly diverge into arguments about Monty Python, Apple, Microsoft, Star Trek, The Force, Imagine a Beowulf of those, All your base belong to us, Good luck with that, It's a Trap, What could possibly go wrong, Move out of your parents basement, Yeah right, you have a girlfriend, Get off my lawn, and Dupe!

You mean all those conversations were extracted from /.?

Positive thinking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37746936)

If was just possible to get them to work on world hunger, bertter space travel and cure diseases

Crappy Graphs Strike Again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37747346)

Interesting dataset... let's look at the graphs.

OMG SQL INJECTION is taking over the world! Run!!!
No hang on a minute all topics are more or less in equal measure, it's just the 3D pie chart that makes me think that. Well no real idea really, I guess 22% of people talking about DDOS is more than 19% talking about SQL but the chart doesn't make it look like anything.

Hey wait a minute, stop the presses - according to this chart, as time goes by more people talk about everything! No, yet again another crappy choice of chart, wanting to show some kind of ratio of change but in the end giving me something I cannot read.

Nice try kids, but graphs like this turn what could be an interesting report into an active piece of tripe.

Stupidness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37747624)

Hackforums ?? Lol they are kidding me ! Anyone with a little of selfrespect wouldn't be there, I know it because I had an account there.

Not again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37749016)

Those are not hacker conversations, those are cracker/script kiddies/warez "doods" conversations.
I almost burst into an uncontrollable rage every time hackers are associated with crackers....and yes, I MAD!!!

HF (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37749308)

As a member of the HF community, I would have to say that there is a lot more white hat then black hate activity. It is mostly a friendly community full off computer enthusiasts. Don't let the name be so intimidating the site is far from a purely hacking site and or illegal market place. The owner administrator enforces policy strictly. Perhaps have a closer look.
regards Miss bugga

The forum in question is... (1)

Cyph0n (1739442) | more than 2 years ago | (#37749426)

Judging by the user base and the sections listed in the analysis, Hack Forums. Yes, the name is a bit too revealing, but that's the internet for you.

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