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Installing Android On an HP TouchPad

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the gets-ever-more-tantalizing dept.

Android 96

Barence writes "PC Pro has published a comprehensive guide to installing Android on a HP TouchPad using CyanogenMod's alpha Android release. The mod, which is based on Android 2.3 (Gingerbread) instead of 3.0 (Honeycomb, the source code of which is yet to be released) 'performs similarly to the Tegra 2-based tablets we've seen from the likes of Asus and Samsung,' according to PC Pro. 'The only real problem we hit was some apps refusing to install from the Android Market because they didn't recognise the hardware,' although there are ways around it."

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Holy shit, /. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37749634)

"Tweet"? "+1"? FFS this is /., it's not like anyone has a credible social life in here.

Twitter started on Slashdot (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#37749724)

"Tweet"? "+1"? FFS this is /., it's not like anyone has a credible social life in here.

Twitter has had a social life all by himself [slashdot.org] since 2001, years before Twitter.com opened.

Re:Twitter started on Slashdot (1)

abigor (540274) | about 2 years ago | (#37751754)

Damn, I miss that guy. Why doesn't he post here anymore?

Re:Twitter started on Slashdot (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#37751982)

10 LET M$ = "Microsoft"

Why doesn't [the notorious sockpuppeteer twitter] post here anymore?

I think it had something to do with countertrolls asking him to restate his tl;dr M$-bashing in 140 characters or less after the namesake microblog host became popular.

GNAA... sher... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37749656)

Bums

WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (5, Interesting)

LightStruk (228264) | about 2 years ago | (#37749702)

I won't be installing Android on my TouchPad for one simple reason - that would be a downgrade. WebOS is much more pleasant to use than Android; it's better thought through, easier to configure, and easier to manage open apps. If I ever have to install Android on my TouchPad, perhaps because of a glaring security hole in WebOS that won't get fixed, it will be a very, very sad day.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about 2 years ago | (#37749780)

My toughts exactly. Android is nice, have a lot of apps, but for the OS itself WebOS should be better (and probably the available apps are enough for your needs).

For alternate OSs for that device, would go to Meego, or another linux distro (ubuntu?), or maybe in some time, Tizen.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37749854)

Wasn't enough for my needs. I suffered with WebOS only as long as I had to.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (3, Informative)

Pollardito (781263) | about 2 years ago | (#37749804)

I would think with the death of WebOS you might want to install Android at some point just to get new apps

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (2)

robmv (855035) | about 2 years ago | (#37750192)

Or security updates, I am pretty sure HP will not care anymore about browser fixes

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | about 2 years ago | (#37751080)

Actually, HP just released a big update today. 3.0.4 77. In my early testing, it is nearly as fast as the device was when I had it overclocked to 1.7GHz and a bunch of performance patches installed. A very pleasant surprise.

Random link: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Precentralnet/~3/UVQV0BP2eHI/hands-on-webos-3-0-4-video [google.com]

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (1)

pkluss (731808) | about 2 years ago | (#37752710)

3.0.2 to 3.0.4 is not a big update. It's actually quite minor. And there are grumblings of the WebOS team disbanding. WebOS's best days are likely behind it -which is unfortunate because I purchased a TouchPad through the firesale and quite like it.

Rumor: http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/10/rumor-hp-to-layoff-webos-engineers-by-months-end-exclusive/ [webosroundup.com]

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | about 2 years ago | (#37752986)

You are right, I misspoke...No new features, but the performance improvements are pretty big. My point was that they are, at least, still updating it for the time being.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (1)

Deathlizard (115856) | about 2 years ago | (#37752378)

But right now, HP is still supporting the OS, and I would assume they'll support it until the warranty's start running out. Also keep in mind that the only way HP would recoup some of the massive loss the fire sale did is through sales on the marketplace, so I don't see that getting canned (although I doubt they can keep their devs for much longer unless they start showing them that HP still is supporting WebOS even though the hardware is dead)

Until then WebOS stays. It's just better for just about everything I need. It blows my Viewsonic G Tablet out of the water to the point that I wish there was WebOS for the G Tablet (although I haven't rooted the G tablet yet, I'm running the latest stock 5274 so far) and I'm not going to mess my touchpad experience up with a alpha build of an not as tablet friendly build of android.

Maybe when Hp quits supporting WebOS and Ice cream sandwich or Honeycomb gets sourced we'll talk but until then, it's WebOS on my Touchpad.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37753674)

I had a Viewsonic gTab (till I dropped it once too often and it shattered), and you definitely want to upgrade it -- I was using VegaNtab Gingeredition, and it blows the stock ROM away. Still can't touch the TouchPad I replaced it with, though.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37759068)

I would assume they'll support it until the warranty's start running out.

You missed out the thing that belongs to the warranty, asshole.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (1)

wick3t (787074) | about 2 years ago | (#37753558)

Actually development is very active and a webOS update for the TouchPad was released just today [blogspot.com] . This is better support than most Android OEMs who seldomly release any OS updates.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (1)

Pauldow (1860502) | about 2 years ago | (#37755878)

HP still has an interest in keeping up some WebOS development, since they are looking for someone to buy the operating system. Shutting down everything would reduce the value too much, so a bit of investment is needed to maintain the software, plus keep some of the development team intact so any potential buyer can have that knowledge base transferred.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (2)

JohnSearle (923936) | about 2 years ago | (#37751034)

I agree...

I quickly sold one of my two Tablets (the other one is going to family) due to the lack of apps available. Without software, the tablet is nothing but an video player, ebook reader, and over sized ipod.

Granted that the above is not bad for $150, but I opted for the full suite of actions by getting an Asus Transformer - best decision I could have made. I immediately had access to quite large number of games, a proper word processor, apps for scanning and business, etc. These were missing or sub par on WebOS.

I'm definitely going to be putting Android on the second Touchpad in order to get similar functionality... I just want to wait until they've worked out a few more bugs.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (3, Informative)

TerminaMorte (729622) | about 2 years ago | (#37749810)

You realize that by default it will dual-boot?

So you get the great multi-tasking of WebOS, but with the great app selection (and browser options...) of Android.

Netflix, minecraft, Firefox.... I certainly don't consider it a downgrade. :P

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (1, Insightful)

fafaforza (248976) | about 2 years ago | (#37750776)

So you then have to mirror all your settings and documents across two separate OSes. I'd pass too, as I passed on dual booting Linux with Windows. I just chose one over the other.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37751350)

So you then have to mirror all your settings and documents across two separate OSes. I'd pass too, as I passed on dual booting Linux with Windows. I just chose one over the other.

Nope, documents are available to both OSes. No need to mirror...

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#37751434)

Many people have multiple devices between cell phones, tablets, laptops, desktops, etc. and I have never heard anyone seriously say they would give up the utility of the different devices just so they didn't have to sync their documents. Android offers a ton of functionality that just doesn't exist in WebOS and for me that far outweighs the small inconvenience of putting Android on a touchpad entails. Not to mention things like Dropbox and Google Docs alleviates much of the burden of synchronization anyway. Worrying about mirroring settings between Android and WebOS is really a non-issue. That's like worrying about your settings between Windows and an iPad. The two don't map.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (1)

fafaforza (248976) | more than 2 years ago | (#37807282)

Talking about different devices is irrelevant because the discussion is about dual booting on a single device.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37751500)

Settings, yes, you'll have to mirror those, but CM7 can access the Palm USB partition and handles it like an SD card so docs do not have to be mirrored

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (0)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 2 years ago | (#37749830)

Another AOL-style post from me. The only reason I'd downgrade to Android would be if WebOS became completely unsupported, contained known security holes, and there was no better alternative than Android.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#37750498)

It would dual boot, also WebOS is now unsupported already.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37752572)

Stop with the BS. You are uninformed.

HP just put out a brand new update to the WebOS for the Touchpad today.

actually, it's not yet unsupported (1)

Chirs (87576) | about 2 years ago | (#37752644)

HP just shipped an over-the-air update to WebOS 3.0.4 today. Long-term will be another story though...and I'll likely move to Android when ICS becomes available.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (2)

RonnyJ (651856) | about 2 years ago | (#37749880)

I have installed Android on my TouchPad for one simple reason - application availability. The OS may be nice, but I use my devices primarily for the applications, not the OS.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (1)

Riceballsan (816702) | about 2 years ago | (#37749904)

heh well fortunately I really doubt you would ever have to worry about a glaring security hole on webos (even if there were some huge massive security hole that allowed someone to completely copy everything from as little as visiting a webpage, who would bother to exploit it, they might as well be looking for holes in BEOS or other operating systems that while technically great, died before ever reaching a noticeable userbase. That being said for most people this option is a great option, assuming some critical app comes out that they can't live without owners of the touchpad have the option to install android to run it. That is what makes hacks great, it is an option that will never be forced on you if you don't need them.

except there aren't that many good apps for WebOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37749940)

WebOS is a lot better than android but it just doesn't have very many good apps. If Netflix and Slingplayer were available for WebOS i might keep it but it sure seems like WebOS is going to die.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37750098)

Yes its a 'downgrade' unless you actually do anything besides use it as a glorified picture frame.
I can't even do 1/3 of my daily browser tasks with the WebOS browser.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (2)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 2 years ago | (#37750366)

I just got my Touchpad today. I can't wait to see how much friendlier it is... but I have to seriously ding HP on this one issue: I cannot run the tablet until I get it on a Wifi source to click agree on their Terms and Conditions. Boooo!

Guess I'll find out when I get home what it's like. Apple's the same way, the iPad requires an iTunes sync. Actually.. I don't think I had to do anything like that at all with the Galaxy Tab. I want to play with my gadgets before I get home, dammit!

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (1)

EponymousCustard (1442693) | more than 2 years ago | (#37762922)

Yeah, and the T&C screen didn't allow wifi connections via captive portal or enterprise-wpa with certificates. (webos does allow these once you get past the initial screen). i ended up making my android phone a wifi hotspot to get past the initial screen

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763140)

I got back to the hotel I'm staying at and... well when you get on wifi there, any web page you go to is replaced with their "Welcome to our Hotel!" with a 'Connect to internet" button on the upper right. The TouchPad did give me a little window peeking at that page, but it was cropped. No amount of scrolling would let me see the upper right portion of the page!! Then my girlfriend goes "try rotating the tablet..." I did as she said and a sliver of the button on the right was now visible, I clicked on it and managed to finally make it connect so I could hit the T&C button.

HP's already started off on the wrong foot with me.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (1)

EponymousCustard (1442693) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763290)

and it will continue to do so until you update webos - 3.02 came with a lot of essential performance fixes, i hated it until i updated.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763456)

Yessir! I upgraded to 3.04 this morning, cant wait to see!

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (2)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#37750476)

You do realize it is a dual-boot scenario, right? Are you really that much of a curmudgeon?

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (1)

na1led (1030470) | about 2 years ago | (#37750488)

I just installed Android on my Touchpad today and WOW what a big difference compared to Webos! I can't see myself going back to Webos anymore now that I have access to all the Android Apps that I've been missing. I just watched a show on Netflix and it was awesome. The browser is so much better and faster, infact everything is much more responsive. There are still a few bugs to work out, like sometimes it won't wake from standby but that should be fixed soon.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37750528)

Shame you think that, as webOS is so damn clumky, slow, and has next to nothing in variety compared to android.
If you're a precentral visitor, youd know full well the large amount of bugs (wifi being a BIG one), and I got up to 50 patches to make WebOS anything near what I want speed and functionality wise.

Try the alpha. There are 3 main bugs, but I'm keeping it as I prefer having the choice of browser, syncing stuff with my phone, and it actually having a decent amount of apps.

The only thing which is any better on WebOS is the swipe, it falls short to android in virtually every other aspect.

Choice my friend, choice is the key.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37750898)

I am sorry but I totally disagree..

WebOS has a lack of useful apps,and does not have many alternative apps, the browser is buggy, especially in the way it caches and displays pages, media is a pretty big issue (sure I can see pictures.. try playing a video.. I mean the Alpha vlc player for android does much better)...

No Netflix?

I mean seriously isnt the point to have useful apps? and you think that by some miracle that calling that clunky webOS better makes it better...?

Sounds more like a wanna be Android hater just trying to find another excuse to down the OS...

I will take the buggy Android release over WEbOS than k you.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37750910)

Huh, the browser sucks. It won't display quite a few sites correctly. The Facebook app sucks, no news feeds more than 2 days old?, what's up with that. No Netflix, once again wuwt? I'm happy with my two $149 touchpads, but I think I'll be happier when they dual boot ics.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37750992)

Really? I have an iPad, and use an Android phone, which I like both of, especially with the recent ios5 copying of the Android notification bar.

I had picked up one of these when they were cheap. WebOS is pretty weak. First, it was terribly slow, with a significant delay when opening apps, and a choppy feel to the GUI. I almost bought a Palm Pre once and noticed the same thing. Plus you can't even save passwords in the web browser, so since there are no real or useful apps, the inability to save browser passwords makes it excruciating to use.

CM7 seems a little rough around the edges at the moment, but it seems significantly faster than WebOS, plus there is a good selection of useful apps (even if they sometimes look funny on the tablet screen size)

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 2 years ago | (#37751014)

If I ever have to install Android on my TouchPad, perhaps because of a glaring security hole in WebOS that won't get fixed, it will be a very, very sad day.

We all know that day will come - it's just a balancing act of setting up a workflow now on a technology that's (unfortunately) a dead-end and getting to increased productivity today, vs. having to do that all again at an inopportune time.

Or you get lucky, and you can use it until you dispose of it. Maybe the guy you sell it to installs Android. Maybe that's when you decide to sell it. But then again, what do you do at that point?

There's no 'right' answer.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (1)

melted (227442) | about 2 years ago | (#37751660)

I generally like it, but PDF reader really sucks ass in webOS. It renders PDFs at a single resolution and does not re-render as you zoom in. This alone is a good incentive for me to replace webOS with Gingerbread.

Here, here! (1)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | about 2 years ago | (#37752002)

If HP were run by humans instead of destructive MBAbots, they'd open source WebOS and have a thousand flowers bloom - possibly all over Androids' grave.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37752078)

That's nice. Enjoy your janky OS and your 8 apps.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37752746)

WebOS is ineffecient. The Touchpad should be about as responsive as an iPad or a similar Android tablet, but it isn't. Even after disabling logging, enabling various tweaks, and overclocking, it's still pretty shaky. Apparently the next big upgrade helps this massively (as well as maybe enabling HDMI output), but who knows how far off that is.

Android also has far more apps available than webOS, and that's only going to get worse as more devs drop off the webOS wagon.

The UI, especially multitasking, is worlds ahead of Android and IOS. It's a real shame HP had to make a hash of it.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37755746)

The UI, especially multitasking, is worlds ahead of Android and IOS. It's a real shame HP had to make a hash of it.

Are you referring to the multitasking that only runs 1 app at a time and suspends the others? Ya, that sure is "worlds ahead" of Android.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (1)

eharvill (991859) | more than 2 years ago | (#37756762)

You have the option of choosing your boot OS. I am enjoying my Android based Touchpad.

Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37758202)

but you cant get plants vs zombies on web OS and that game is awesome. but i agree webOS is much nicer

Have Xoom, would Keep WebOS on Touchpad (1)

syntap (242090) | about 2 years ago | (#37749818)

I have a real Android tablet in the Xoom, but scored a couple of Touchpads when they went fire-sale. I would keep WebOS on the Touchpad at least until HP releases another update to it which I believe they have already said they would.

It runs very well and I hope Android moves in the direction of WebOS' interface. Tablets are coming down in price... I understand the hack cred of showing your Touchpad to your friends with a castrated-functionality Android deployment but I wouldn't do it unless I could put WebOS back on once I realized it wasn't worth the effort.

Re:Have Xoom, would Keep WebOS on Touchpad (1)

TerminaMorte (729622) | about 2 years ago | (#37749864)

I've been unable to find anywhere that WebOS for the touchpad will get another upgrade. Source?

Re:Have Xoom, would Keep WebOS on Touchpad (4, Informative)

syntap (242090) | about 2 years ago | (#37749964)

It's out today. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37750054)

3.04 is out today

Android vs webos; who cares... switch between them (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37749920)

I was using webos since the firesale and waiting impatiently for android. Android feels zippier to me. The web experience is great. Netflix actually works on android which is a big draw for me. While I haven't really had a chance to delve into the features of the pdf readers on android, I know webOs pdf reader is crap.

The nicest thing is that it doesn't matter a single bit.

It takes about a minute to switch back to webOs if you have a reason to. So enjoy both.

My only complaint so far is that I can't seem to find any fancy 3d games on android.. that and I wish firefox worked better. But even the standard web browser is better than webos'.

Someone mentioned other linux distros... is anyone working on one that aims to support touchpads and phones OTHER than google? It seems like a better idea to rip off the android crap and replace it with something grown by the community. Port THAT everywhere and start an app market for it.

Re:Android vs webos; who cares... switch between t (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37764654)

Check out Homerun Battle 3D challenge. It plays great on the Touchpad, and you can get it straight from the market without looking around for .apk files. I can't figure out how to change the player name though. Also, it's not lettting me intall Madden 12 on the Touchpad, I was looking forward to that, but for that I might have to buy a Honeycomb tablet.

netflix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37749928)

Netflix and google reader might make me try android on touchpad. If I could figure out how to write my own rss reader I'd stay on touchpad, but I've only tackled sysadmin scripts so I'm not super confident.

Re:netflix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37764990)

The Google Reader app works great on the Android on Touchpad. The Google Reader site also works great too (it had major drawing artifacts with the WebOS browser).

easy (1)

indecks (1208854) | about 2 years ago | (#37749970)

I had a really easy time installing Android on my touchpad. The only issue I have now is that if the touchpad sits idle for a while (around 10 mins or more) it will lock up and I have to hard-reset the touchpad. Otherwise, Android works pretty well. Just have to get a fix for the Facebook and Twitter apps, since Facebook locks because of the lack of a GPS locator in the Touchpad.

Re:easy (1)

strikernl (2487836) | about 2 years ago | (#37749994)

The sleep of death issue was (mostly) fixed for me by this: http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?8127-New-SLEEP-OF-DEATH-BUG-fix-for-CM7-that-works-for-some [rootzwiki.com]

Re:easy (1)

indecks (1208854) | about 2 years ago | (#37750084)

Nice! I'll have to check it out when I get home. (damn firewalls at work).

Re:easy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37750246)

Nice! I'll have to check it out when I get home. (damn firewalls at work).

hahha niceeee

Re:easy (0)

jimicus (737525) | about 2 years ago | (#37750346)

The only issue I have now is that if the touchpad sits idle for a while (around 10 mins or more) it will lock up and I have to hard-reset the touchpad. Otherwise, Android works pretty well.

I keep hearing things like this and I remember why it is I don't like Android.

That, and the Android phone I foolishly bought thinking "it's Android, it can't be that bad". (For those who've never tussled with Android: It's a fairly meaningless brand in terms of identifying quality. It's just as possible to build a terrible Android phone as it is to build a good one so really you want to find an Android phone that's got a reputation of being OK).

Re:easy (1)

indecks (1208854) | about 2 years ago | (#37750536)

This makes no sense. I'm fairly certain that the lock up is because this software is in an ALPHA state, and not because it's Android. Way to generalize, there.

Re:easy (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 2 years ago | (#37750784)

That, and the Android phone I foolishly bought thinking "it's Android, it can't be that bad". (For those who've never tussled with Android: It's a fairly meaningless brand in terms of identifying quality. It's just as possible to build a terrible Android phone as it is to build a good one so really you want to find an Android phone that's got a reputation of being OK).

It's a lot easier if you think of it as being ONE Android phone and many Android-compatible phones out there.

That is, right now, the Nexus S - it's the cleanest Android implementation because Google's supporting it, and you're not getting some compatible-but-bastardized version that some OEM needed to add stuff to, and to which the carrier adds their own crap to as well.

Yes, I care little for Sense, Motoblur, TouchWiz (if I wanted an iPhone, I'd get an iPhone!), and the other stuff out there. Just stick with what Google's officially supporting and it'll be the best and slickest Android experience around.

Re:easy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37755366)

The only issue I have now is that if the touchpad sits idle for a while (around 10 mins or more) it will lock up and I have to hard-reset the touchpad. Otherwise, Android works pretty well.

I keep hearing things like this and I remember why it is I don't like Android.

That, and the Android phone I foolishly bought thinking "it's Android, it can't be that bad". (For those who've never tussled with Android: It's a fairly meaningless brand in terms of identifying quality. It's just as possible to build a terrible Android phone as it is to build a good one so really you want to find an Android phone that's got a reputation of being OK).

It's an Alpha build on a device Android was never intended for, you idiot.

Dislike WebOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37750076)

I have an Android phone, and have an HP Touchpad, and I'd much rather use Android on this device. I don't know what these people are talking about. The touchpad seems unfinished and has strange design decisions. Its video player is in with the photo gallery and it is awful, there is no default app to take a picture with the camera, app market is severely lacking, you can't put icons for links on the "desktop" everything is under the dock at the bottom, wtf is the point of that? And the web browser sucks, it has this stupid side to side scrolling even when zoomed out all the way (fit all) on the screen. As you scroll it makes the page go off to the right or left, showing blank space, and then snapping back into place when you let go. Makes you almost sea sick using the damn browser, and also makes flash games unplayable. Awful, awful OS.

Re:Dislike WebOS (1)

indecks (1208854) | about 2 years ago | (#37750194)

Yeah I didn't understand that either. It's got this great huge desktop area and you can't put anything on it. Then apps that are downloaded from the AppCatalog are stored in downloads, rather than 'Apps'. You have to move them yourself. I don't like the browser either. Dalingren did mention that there's a version of Firefox out there for the Touchpad's native OS but I haven't looked for it since I've installed Android. I do like the 'tossing away' of current tasks, but that's about it. I really prefer Android on this thing.

Re:Dislike WebOS (1)

gregthebunny (1502041) | about 2 years ago | (#37751268)

there is no default app to take a picture with the camera

The latest update [precentral.net] to webOS for TouchPad (ver 3.0.4) includes a "Camera" app. Just sayin'.

Waiting for Ice Cream Sandwich (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37750152)

It seems a bit pointless installing an old, smartphone OS on a tablet. With ICS due out any day now, and Google promising the source code shortly there-after, it seems sensible to wait until sometime in the new year when a stable port of ICS will be available.

That's certainly what I'm waiting for. WebOS is nice, but there is a massive lack of apps, and that isn't going to change. With little or no ongoing support it's really a matter of when, not if, people are going to switch to another OS. Android is going to be the easiest tablet OS to port across due to 1)being open source and 2)the closeness of the touchpad hardware to android hardware.

Android On? (1)

iroll (717924) | about 2 years ago | (#37750222)

I've never heard of this... is it a prerelease or something?

Re:Android On? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37750348)

You must be great at parties.

My Experience (1)

Tokolosh (1256448) | about 2 years ago | (#37750480)

I installed this over the weekend. The install is relatively simple, and you can easily boot to WebOS, Android or recovery. For a first alpha release it is amazingly good. There are a number of documented bugs which will be fixed in due course, but none of them are show-stoppers.

As others have mentioned, the great advantage is access to the Android Market and the myriad apps available there. Is this better than WebOS? It depends on how you use this tablet. What is a tablet for, anyway?

In the long run, Android is the future for this device. I believe open systems will win over walled gardens. HP should support this effort!

Re:My Experience (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37752218)

Don't kid yourself -- Android is only as open as Google wants it to be. It hasn't released Honeycomb source code (an Android iteration specifically geared towards tablets) and we don't know whether they'll release the source code to Ice Cream Sandwich.

Re:My Experience (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37753310)

Huh? Most android folks eagerly await the rooting of their new phone.

From day one on all WebOS devices you could have root by simply typing in the konami code.

WebOS devices are less walled garden than most Android devices out of the box.

This Should Be Re-Titled (0)

Wovel (964431) | about 2 years ago | (#37750484)

How to ruin your $99 tablet.

Why would you want to shit up a perfectly capable device with Android?

Re:This Should Be Re-Titled (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37750990)

I take it you have never used andoid or you would have kept your mouth shut...

The even the buggy alpha release is way more useful than that WEbOs crap... seriously... give me a detailed list of how WEbOs is better.. I am sure the rest of the android community will tell you what you are missing... other than being extremely stubborn and foolish

Re:This Should Be Re-Titled (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37751264)

Why would you want to shit up a perfectly capable device with Android?

To be mainstream for the sake of it. That's not cynicism; conformity itself brings advantages.

Why do people run Windows? Why do people use iPods? Why does someone who is developing a website need a MSIE6 machine around to test with? Why do people use gasoline-powered cars? Why do people in USA use imperial instead of metric? These aren't rhetorical questions; they have answers and sometimes those answers may indeed apply to your situation.

Re:This Should Be Re-Titled (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37752400)

How about so you can actually do things with it?

I mean, WebOS is kind of dead and there are orders of magnitude more apps available for Android. At the end of the day, I use my computing devices because I want to accomplish tasks, not because I want to rearrange cards in the GUI, as fun as that may be.

By the way, you can dual-boot, so there's no ruining going on here. Don't want to use Android one day? Ok, switch back to WebOS.

Re:This Should Be Re-Titled (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37752678)

Not dead. 3.04 was just released today.

HP has said they plan to continue development of WebOS. Just not make any more phones or tablets. But that was under the CEO who just got himself fired for his other dumb moves. Tablets will likely come out of HP again. Mobile is the future.

Re:This Should Be Re-Titled (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37755498)

How to ruin your $99 tablet.

Why would you want to shit up a perfectly capable device with Android?

Do you have a WebOS device? I'm guessing you don't so you're just being an ignorant dick. I have a 32GB Touchpad and while WebOS was cute for the first week the lack of a thriving ecosystem is just devastating for a device. The little apps they did have in the HP market place were pathetic for the most part. Sure, there was the odd jewel, but the majority were garbage. As for WebOS, the implementation was very bad on the Touchpad and it chugged at times. It's disappointing you have to go through a 10 step process to try and optimize it. And did I mentioned the weight of this obese slab? Let's just say the hardware materials used weren't in the same league as Apple or Samsung.

I do boot into WebOS sometimes, though. It's nice being reminded of a a janky OS and shitty/dead ecosystem.

But why? (1)

ProppaT (557551) | about 2 years ago | (#37751064)

Why would you want to cripple your beautiful TouchPad with a version of Android not designed for a tablet? Unfortunately I wasn't able to snag one myself, but WebOS, despite it's faults, is a beautiful OS. Sure, you don't get some of the apps that you do with Android, but for most practical uses WebOS is going to blow Android 2.3 out of the water.

Re:But why? (1)

na1led (1030470) | about 2 years ago | (#37751182)

Unless you've own a Touchpad and used it for several months, you can't appreciate having Android installed with the ability to use so many apps that you've been longing for. Also, as buggy as this new Android build is, it's still more stable than Webos!

Re:But why? (1)

ProppaT (557551) | about 2 years ago | (#37754276)

I had a WebOS phone for 2 years, does that count?

Re:But why? (1)

Aryden (1872756) | about 2 years ago | (#37751426)

WebOS lasted all of about an hour on the one I pulled out of the box. I nearly threw the damn thing against the wall it infuriated me so much. I've left them sitting on a shelf waiting for the prices on ebay to go up till this weekend. I installed the ALPHA and I am loving it. Can't wait for the few, very minor, bugs to get knocked out and it will be superb.

excessive (1)

Chirs (87576) | about 2 years ago | (#37752716)

WebOS isn't that bad. With the addition of preware and kalemsoft media player, it provides decent web browsing, video playback, kindle client, VPN suport, web proxy support, and an xterm with a shell, along with a reasonable selection of games. That's like 95% of my usage right there.

Re:excessive (1)

Aryden (1872756) | about 2 years ago | (#37753740)

Of your usage. The Touchpad is not much more than a video player or ebook reader for alot of what I do. Though, now with android installed, I can actually use it on my corporate network which increases it's use to me.

Re:excessive (2)

ProppaT (557551) | about 2 years ago | (#37754352)

You can complain about WebOS not having the SPECIFIC app you want, and you can complain about a few niggly things it doesn't support, but honestly...the OS just about does it all, and really well to boot. I miss the days of my WebOS phone where I had a device that didn't crash (Android crashes a lot more often), didn't have weird audio issues (Android seems to), and I could easily kill off tasks (still have to use Advanced Task Killer in Android). No one beats WebOS's multitasking/memory management and ability to have a stupid amount of web pages and apps open at once.

Re:excessive (1)

Loopy (41728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763640)

There are a raft of apps I use daily that aren't available on WebOS (Netflix, several games, my gas mileage app, etc.).

Also, the last time I had a crash on my Android phone was me doing something I shouldn't have been a few weeks ago. And I've _never_ had any audio issues. Sounds like you bought shit hardware. That's on you and the OEM, not the OS.

Of course, to be fair, I've never had any crashes or audio issues on WebOS OR Android. /shrug

Re:But why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37761254)

You're an idiot. WebOS is dead simple to use and understand.

Shocked at how nice WebOS is. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37753880)

I got one about 2 weeks ago (employee firesale exclusive) and I'm really enjoying it. I was going to give it a go and see if I'd even use it and then ebay it if I didn't, but I'm keeping it. I can't find anything I want it to do which it doesn't have an app for (after installing pre-ware) so the Android swap would be pointless.

When do we see the damned sourcecode to GB? (1)

AbRASiON (589899) | more than 2 years ago | (#37757786)

I recently grabbed a touchpad instinctively after seeing the CM7 video on youtube, not thinking clearly (and having too much damn money, not enough patience)
I'd forgotten about Gingerbread entirely, does anyone know googles plans for GB and Ice Cream sandwich? I'd really like to see the touchpad working well with an OS designed for a tablet.

Anyone got any theories or information?

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