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Galaxy Nexus Designed To Avoid Infringing Apple Patents

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the samsung-looks-away-guiltily dept.

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An anonymous reader writes with an except from an article on Geek.com about the Galaxy Nexus: "Samsung has been on the receiving end of many an Apple lawsuit in recent months, and in some cases a ban on selling its products. The Galaxy Nexus smartphone, which was unveiled last night, could also come under close scrutiny in the courts once Apple takes a look at it. But unlike previous Samsung Android devices, the chances of that happening are apparently going to be diminished or even non-existent. Shin Jong-kyun, the president of Samsung's mobile division, admitted yesterday that the Galaxy Nexus has been developed taking into account Apple's patents."

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I like it (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763602)

They released a picture [imageshack.us] of it. Looks pretty sweet.

But it may still infringe on Apple's "Physical object with an ability to dial a number" patent.

Re:I like it (2, Funny)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763646)

That single color scheme thing might get them too.

Re:I like it (2)

tangelogee (1486597) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763664)

But at least there are no buttons! Apple will be soooo jealous!

Re:I like it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37763786)

Well at least they actually tried to not infringe on patents this time?

Re:I like it (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763904)

Well at least they actually tried to not infringe on patents this time?

Indeed. I'm sure that users would much prefer that the company spent their time trying not to infringe on patents than actually adding useful features to the device.

Re:I like it (1)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764200)

I don't know. That dial looks an awful lot like an iPod control wheel. AT&T better prepare for the inevitable lawsuit for blatantly copying Apple's design.

Re:I like it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37763670)

Haha! spoiler alert: picture is of a classic rotary phone. Made me laugh.

Re:I like it (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763692)

Humor. You don't have it.

Re:I like it (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37763712)

It has rounded corners -> fail.

Re:I like it (2, Funny)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764280)

That was literally the first thing I checked for. Rectangular + corners that aren't so sharp they come with warning signs = Apple lawsuit.

Re:I like it (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763776)

I believe AT&T may have some grounds for a suit considering that is a blatant rip-off of their design.

Re:I like it (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764486)

They released a picture [imageshack.us] of it. Looks pretty sweet.

But it may still infringe on Apple's "Physical object with an ability to dial a number" patent.

IANAL, but I think trying to avoid a legal battle with Apple, also violates one of their patents.

And making fun of Apple is also a violation of some patent...

Useless (2)

TheDarkMaster (1292526) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764502)

Apple soon will patent the "device to enable communication between two (or more) people" itself =)

Proof positive (2, Interesting)

Sez Zero (586611) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763688)

Yay! Proof positive that patents encourage innovation.

Re:Proof positive (4, Insightful)

Dyinobal (1427207) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763704)

Not innovation, just needless small alterations to an over all design.

Re:Proof positive (2)

Adrian Lopez (2615) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764244)

Not innovation, just needless small alterations to an over all design.

Exactly. I hope it works out for Samsung, but I think it's unfortunate they had to resort to this at all.

Re:Proof positive (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764324)

Not innovation, just needless small alterations to an over all design.

Ah, but there's been great legal innovations as a result - behold The iSuit!

Samsung is ramping up their hires of lawyers .. Honestly, this is the sort of junk between companies which killed Ashton Tate and dBase

Re:Proof positive (0)

The Dawn Of Time (2115350) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764546)

So let me get this straight - wholesale copying of someone else's effort is innovation, and changing things so that your product is different than a competitor's product is needless?

This is insight? To who, 10 year olds?

Re:Proof positive (4, Insightful)

bhagwad (1426855) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763820)

It's important to remember that it still might infringe on some Apple patent or the other. It's a sad sign of how broken the system is when you try and design a product to specifically avoid all patents but still can't be sure that it succeeds. If Samsung/Google with all their resources can't be sure that it avoids hundreds of thousands of "patents," how is a smaller company without all the resources supposed to do the same?

Re:Proof positive (2, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763862)

That is not a sign of the system being broken, that is just a sign of you not understanding its purpose. The system is working exactly as these big companies want it too. They can live through suing each other and are more than willing to deal with it if it keeps out any new competitors.

Re:Proof positive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37763886)

how is a smaller company without all the resources supposed to do the same?

Its not so stop trying. Just give the corporations all your money like a good citizen.

Re:Proof positive (2)

brainzach (2032950) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764286)

It is going to infringe on patents no matter what you will do.

I think Samsung is trying to avoid the strongest patents that Apple has in its arsenal. Most patent claims can easily be defended in court if you have the resources to hire the right attorneys. Apple has a few killer patents that it is trying to attack Samsung for, so it will be best strategy is to find a way to work around them.

Re:Proof positive (0)

The Dawn Of Time (2115350) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764572)

I'm not sure why it's necessary to enable a mom-and-pop shop to compete with the likes of Samsung and Apple. That's kinda like being upset that a Pop Warner center wouldn't be able to play in the NFL.

There is no particular right to do the business you want to do, just the business you're capable of doing.

Re:Proof positive (1)

The Dawn Of Time (2115350) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764582)

Or if you need the car analogy, it's the same reason that you can't win an F1 race with your Civic Hybrid.

Re:Proof positive (4, Informative)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763976)

Or, if you are an Apple IP attorney, proof positive that the other models were not designed to avoid infringing Apple's patents.

Unquestionably! (1)

RulerOf (975607) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764456)

Yay! Proof positive that patents encourage innovation.

And THAT, SIR, is the undisputed hallmark of excellent design.

Do NOT tread lightly to avoid stepping on the toes of others! Design yourself some new feet that fit between their toes instead!

A sound strategy (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763700)

And who knows, while Samsung work to avoid IP pitfalls they may have (and likely have done) developed their own technology and patents which could trip up Apple in the long run.

Let me guess. (0)

sgt scrub (869860) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763718)

None of the rectangles have rounded corners.

Re:Let me guess. (1)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763784)

If they wanted to be *really* clever, it wouldn't have any border at all. It'd be shaped like a fractal. :D

Patent that, bitches.

Re:Let me guess. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37763848)

I'd be up for owning a Mandelbrot phone, but using it would be a bitch.

little known fact... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37763734)

It's a triangle. :D

Galaxy SII (2, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763744)

TFA says "dubbed by media as Google and Samsung's answer to the iPhone 4S". Not particularly accurate. From a tech point of view, the Galaxy SII was the answer to the 4S, and was released ahead of it. This is the next step.

Re:Galaxy SII (4, Funny)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763768)

You dont understand. Anything released by any company in any field is an "answer to the iPhone xx" where xx is the model of the last iPhone released. Black and Deckers new toaster oven? Their answer to the iPhone 4s. The new Toyota Prius? Their answer to the iPhone 4s. And so on.

Re:Galaxy SII (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37764134)

Of course... there's really only two kinds of products. iPhones and those that wish they was iPhones.

Re:Galaxy SII (2)

Telvin_3d (855514) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763940)

However, from a 'we are trying to convince people to buy this instead of ____' point of view it is completely accurate.

Re:Galaxy SII (0)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763954)

Quite so. Moreover, it seems that the iPhone 4S along with iOS 5 was Apple's answer to the advancements made in mobile phones over the last year. It boggles my mind how Apple can release one phone a year when the development pace in this sector is so brisk.

Re:Galaxy SII (1)

SlippyToad (240532) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764098)

It boggles my mind how Apple can release one phone a year when the development pace in this sector is so brisk.

I have your answer:

Look in my eyes, what do you see?
the Cult of Personality
I know your anger, I know your dreams
I've been everything you wanna be ohhhâ¦
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Mussolini and Kennedy
I'm the Cult of Personality
the Cult of Personality
the Cult of Personality

Neon lights, Nobel Prize
When a leader speaks, the reflection lies
You won't have to follow me
Only you can set me free

I sell the things you need to be
I'm the smiling face of your T.V. ohhâ¦
I'm the Cult of Personality
I exploit you; still you love me
I tell you one and one makes three ohhâ¦

I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Joseph Stalin and Gandhi ohhâ¦
I'm the Cult of Personality
the Cult of Personality
the Cult of Personality

Neon lights, Nobel Prize
When a leader speaks, that leader dies
You won't have to follow me
Only you can set you free

-Living Colour

Now that Jobs is finally dead, maybe Apple will have to actually produce stuff that works correctly (please don't make me laugh by asserting otherwise) and provides actual value.

Or maybe like before, without the personality the cult will experience a long, slow death.

Re:Galaxy SII (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37764288)

My iPhone makes calls, sends messages, gets emails, runs apps, takes photos, does bluetooth, plays movies, plays music, plays games, has voice recognition, takes 1080p video, works with my company's VPN, syncs to ActiveSync, has remote wipe, has an encrypted file system, has GPS, has strong privacy controls, backs up to the cloud, restores purchases of apps and content from the cloud. What was the thing that doesn't work?

Re:Galaxy SII (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37764392)

"Now that Jobs is finally dead, maybe Apple will have to actually produce stuff that works correctly (please don't make me laugh by asserting otherwise) and provides actual value."

Seriously dude?? 128,964,000 sold since it first came out and they don't work correctly??? Hey Stephen Elop, is that you???

Re:Galaxy SII (1)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764366)

What features are they missing?

Re:Galaxy SII (1)

Per Wigren (5315) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764454)

The Galaxy SII was announced in February and released in May. If anything it was their answer to the iPhone 4, not the 4S. More likely it was their answer to the HTC Desire HD.

Obvious move. (0)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763748)

All Samsung needs now is to to make a bunch of clip-on square corners for their tablets and they'll be able to thumb their nose at Apple with impunity.

And ... if the customers decide to customize their tablets by removing the corners that's none of Samsung's business.

How can they even know? (1)

rwade (131726) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763750)

From what I understand about how easily patents on extremely general ideas on technology, how can anyone know what design is going to infringe on a patent? I don't see how anyone can write a design specification with one of the ground rules being to not infringe on a specific company's patent.

How can you know how a given patent will be interpreted by a court?

Re:How can they even know? (1)

JohnBailey (1092697) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764232)

From what I understand about how easily patents on extremely general ideas on technology, how can anyone know what design is going to infringe on a patent? I don't see how anyone can write a design specification with one of the ground rules being to not infringe on a specific company's patent.

Which is generally the point every anti patent proliferation supporter has been arguing.

How can you know how a given patent will be interpreted by a court?

Take it to court.

Re:How can they even know? (1)

mmcuh (1088773) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764560)

How can you know how a given patent will be interpreted by a court?

You don't. You hire very expensive lawyers and ask them. They don't know either, but when someone sues you even though your lawyers said they wouldn't, you can fire the lawyers.

Waiting for the legal system to argue retardedly.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37763754)

... "Your Honor, clearly the fact that the defendant DECIDED TO CHANGE their product is a clear indication that they ADMIT that the previous product was NOT free of infringements that needed to be changed!"

- No, it's not, just a way to avoid having to deal with your bullshit.

Re:Waiting for the legal system to argue retardedl (1)

GodInHell (258915) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763898)

Not "the legal system." The legal system is the set of laws, the rules of the court and the judge. The legal system is likely to look dimly on that argument. You are, however, certainly correct that Apple's lawyers will make that argument. Hell, I probably would too.

I think the strong hand response would be to attack the validity of the patents. I believe that's what Samsung is doing in the EU.

-GiH

Re:Waiting for the legal system to argue retardedl (1)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764422)

How is that not a fair agrument? Besides all that, every court that has reviewed the case has concluded that Samsung infringed on Apple's patents. It doesn't mater whether or not Samsung thinks they are infringing or not at this point.

Interesting admission (2, Interesting)

jamrock (863246) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763762)

Are they in effect admitting that their previous Android phones were ignoring Apple's patents? Samsung has not been doing themselves any favors recently, what with the "app wall" in their store display in Rome featuring icons from iOS, and the webpage for the Galaxy Player 50 (since removed) that showed a 2008 screenshot of the iPhone's Maps app.

Re:Interesting admission (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37763926)

That's not how English works. "We did X" does not imply "We used to do the opposite of X".

Re:Interesting admission (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764202)

That's not how English works.

Since we're talking about Samsung, wouldn't "how Korean works" be more relevant?

Re:Interesting admission (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763942)

The patents they're accused of violating are ridiculous, it's not a case of ignoring them, it's a case of not realizing the patent office is stupid enough to give a patent for a "rectangular device with a minimal number of physical buttons" or "A photo viewing app that switches between photos by swiping".

Re:Interesting admission (1, Informative)

brainzach (2032950) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764154)

To be fair, Samsung's designs more blatantly copy off of Apple than any other Android manufacturer. They set themselves up to be attacked.

Re:Interesting admission (1)

yog (19073) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764490)

How so?

A couple of their models have some cosmetic similarity to the iPhone, and the way they arrange the app icons in the All Apps screen looks kind of like on an iPhone, but it's really just superficial. Did Apple really patent having one physical button below the display?

It's an entirely different operating system as anyone familiar with both devices would instantly notice.

Ultimately, Apple's aggressive pursuit of these kinds of similarities will find themselves on the receiving end of similar lawsuits. There's always prior art in these things and there is definitely a body of evidence that other companies, some large and some tiny, have done their share of development of handheld touch screen devices.

Re:Interesting admission (5, Insightful)

GodInHell (258915) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763948)

You could read his statement that way, or, you could read it as an admission that they simply developed technology without reference to Apple's patents and were surprised to find out these obvious technologies and algorithms were patented.

Incidentally, all of the items you list -- those aren't patent violations, at best they're trademark issues.

-GiH

Re:Interesting admission (1)

jamrock (863246) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764076)

Incidentally, all of the items you list -- those aren't patent violations, at best they're trademark issues.

Agreed. Those are trademark, not patent issues, but the core of Apple's complaint against Samsung cites the latter's "slavish copying" of Apple's designs, and those two examples do nothing to deflect the criticism. It may have been nothing more than oversights by the graphics department, but Apple's counsels could argue that they demonstrate a pattern on Samsung's part. The stakes for Samsung are extremely high, and one would have thought they would have been much more circumspect. They appear to be doing the best they can to undermine their own defense.

Design patents (1)

Quila (201335) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764434)

Not functional patents. The basic issue is Samsung's blatant copying of Apple, and in doing so Samsung tripped over some of Apple's design patents.

Look at this image [tipb.com] to get a good idea of the extent that Samsung has been riding Apple's coattails where the iPad is concerned. It paints a larger picture of willful copying that Apple can use to bolster the court case over the design patents.

It's a design patent. (1)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764474)

Apple has a design patent [wikipedia.org] on the shape of the iPad. Read the article I linked. This is not a trademark issue, it is a patent issue.

Bad PRs and patents. (1)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763814)

I wonder how much the bad PR accumulated from stupid patents hurts companies like Apple- or if it even feels any affect,

Don't say any public exposure is good exposure. Toyota found out that that was not the case when their cars decided they didn't want to stop.

When it comes time that I decide to buy a smart phone [as if I will ever have that much money :( ] I will weigh the pros and cons of each option; however, I won't deny- I have a bad taste in my mouth about apple so I may be less inclined to buy their product if I find it not to be too much better than a competitor... if Apple is way better than anyone else- I will overlook the minor inconvenience of their patent faux pas.

Re:Bad PRs and patents. (0)

Dyinobal (1427207) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763912)

They don't, the cult of apple things apple can do no wrong. Iphones could start blowing up at a 10% rate and it would be dubbed an exciting new feature and apple would patent it.

Re:Bad PRs and patents. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37764384)

Or they'd blame the customers for holding the phone the wrong way.

Get used to it, they all do it. (3, Interesting)

Moridineas (213502) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763980)

If companies suing each other over patent issues leaves a bad taste in your mouth, you might want to just abstain from using cellphones at all.

This is a year old (I had seen a more recent one, but can't find it now): http://flowingdata.com/2010/10/11/mobile-patent-lawsuits/ [flowingdata.com]

Re:Get used to it, they all do it. (1)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764072)

Interesting article- it certainly suggests to me that Nokia, Kodak and Apple are the most letigious and therefore the ones to avoid the most (at least as of a year ago- if decision was to punnish the letigious companies).

I will have to look for the more up-to-date version myself.

Re:Get used to it, they all do it. (2)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764164)

This looks to be an updated version from 8/17/2011

http://graphics.thomsonreuters.com/RNGS/2011/AUG/PATENT_CI.jpg [thomsonreuters.com]

Re:Get used to it, they all do it. (1)

Moridineas (213502) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764358)

Thanks! That's exactly the one I was looking for.

surprised at quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37763832)

"Now we will avoid everything we can and take patents very seriously," Shin told reporters Tuesday on the eve of the Galaxy Nexus launch. His comments were embargoed until Wednesday.

I'm a bit surprised that he publicly made such a statement as it seems to state that before now they did violate patients, and only now are cleaning up. It's sort of like answering the trap question about "When did you stop beating your wife/husband/s.o.?" without refuting the question.

Hopefully they came up with new ways to do things rather than just blindly remove features tainted by alleged patients.

No SD card (1)

Muramas95 (2459776) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763878)

Why don't they put in a SD reader? That is one of the things I love about my Galaxy S and makes it a replacement for my MP3 player but without it I am thinking twice about getting this phone and making the Galaxy S II look a lot more appealing.

Re:No SD card (1)

C_Kode (102755) | more than 2 years ago | (#37763950)

Why don't they put in a SD reader? That is one of the things I love about my Galaxy S and makes it a replacement for my MP3 player but without it I am thinking twice about getting this phone and making the Galaxy S II look a lot more appealing.

I'm with you. I was hell bent on getting this phone as an upgrade to my Nexus One. Then I saw this and started having second thoughts. Why would they do this? It's just plain ignorant to not put SD slots on any smartphones these days.

Re:No SD card (1)

morgaen (1896818) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764054)

Why would they do this?

To make it as thin as possible?

Re:No SD card (2)

Muramas95 (2459776) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764064)

but the S2 is thinner and weighs a lot less than the prime Prime Dimensions 135.5 mm (5.33 in) H 67.94 mm (2.675 in) W 8.94 mm (0.352 in) D Weight 135 g S2 Dimensions 125.3 mm (4.93 in) H 66.1 mm (2.60 in) W 8.49 mm (0.334 in) - 9.91 mm (0.390 in) D Weight 116 g (4.1 oz)

Re:No SD card (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37764162)

'cause the iPhone doesn't have one, silly rabbit!!

Re:No SD card (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37763978)

Probably to avoid paying FAT32 royalties to MS.

Re:No SD card (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37763994)

What's the fuss? You're claiming you're either getting this, or the slightly older S2. Both are made by the same company, so they're getting your money either way.

Re:No SD card (1)

Muramas95 (2459776) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764006)

Actually looking over the two...I am unsure why anyone would pick the prime / galaxy nexus over S2

Re:No SD card (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764062)

Is the S2 bootloader unlocked?
That is what will decide my next phone purchase.

Blue phone icon (4, Insightful)

Adrian Lopez (2615) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764002)

The first thing I notice is they've changed the phone icon from green to blue, which I'm sure is an attempt to avoid Apple's claims of trademark infringement [copymarkblog.com] . The color green has long been used to indicate placing a call, which is why Samsung changing the color from green to blue is such a good example of IP law being so stifling that companies have to intentionally avoid making anything remotely similar to another company's products. The problem is there's only so often you can do this before you run out of things to avoid.

Aside from the green phone icon, another example is Apple's claim that Samsung's yellow notepad icon infringes on its own yellow notepad icon. Yellow notepads are fairly common, yet for some strange reason it is wrong for Samsung to use the color yellow for its notepad icon. If all other companies acted the same, imagine the many different colors each company would have to avoid, like mines in a minefield.

Re:Blue phone icon (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764192)

I wonder if the company that first made yellow notepads is looking at these suits and thinking "Damn! Why didn't we think of patenting that?" It's just so surreal to me that any number of companies can make yellow notepads, but make a digital version and you're knee deep in a web of patents.

Re:Blue phone icon (-1, Troll)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764248)

The color green has long been used to indicate placing a call

[citation needed]

Based on the various office phones I've used since the 1980s, if I were to pick a color I'd have said the color red "has long been used to indicate placing a call" - if I were to associate a color with it at all (which isn't likely).

Re:Blue phone icon (4, Informative)

Adrian Lopez (2615) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764312)

Based on the various office phones I've used since the 1980s, if I were to pick a color I'd have said the color red "has long been used to indicate placing a call" - if I were to associate a color with it at all (which isn't likely).

The standard color for cell phone "send" buttons is green and has been so long before Apple even entered the cell phone market. The color red, on the other hand, has long been used for cell phone "end" buttons.

Re:Blue phone icon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37764532)

Green has also been used in a lot of situations, likely to do with traffic signals (Not sure if they stole the colours from something else), where green means Go/start/commence and red means Stop/abort/cancel and I've seen a lot of yellow as reset/warning. You have traffic signals, fax machines, photocopiers, cordless phones, industrial machinery control panels, and countless others. But the fact that my old brick cell phone from the 90s and my cordless phone at home uses those colours for start/end call and they are way older then any iPhone.

Re:Blue phone icon (1)

swv3752 (187722) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764354)

Green means go, and red means stop. If I am going to initiate some process, I would look for a green button. If I was to stop a process, I would look for red. How obtuse are you, Troll?

Re:Blue phone icon (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764420)

We're talking phone calls not automobiles.

Most office phones I've used have a line indicator that lights up red when the line is active, and is not lit when the line is not in use.

Does your computer have a green power button? Sheesh.

Re:Blue phone icon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37764508)

Every mobile phone I've owned had a green call button or icon, going back to 1999. That's a long list, 7 of which were released prior to the original iPhone
2 Motorola,
1 Sony,
3 Sony Ericsson,
1 Docomo,
1 Nokia,
1 HTC,
1 Samsung

Re:Blue phone icon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37764500)

another example is Apple's claim that Samsung's yellow notepad icon infringes on its own yellow notepad icon

It seems like 3M, the inventor of little yellow sticky notes might have something to say about Apple's claim to ownership of images of yellow notepads. I also have three yellow legal pads on my desk, one each from Tops, Top Flight, and Universal that would constitute prior art.

Now that Jobs is gone, I think it will be less than 5 years and Apple will putting more effort into its legal department than its design department.

No way that was coincidental (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37764618)

The first thing I notice is they've changed the phone icon from green to blue, which I'm sure is an attempt to avoid Apple's claims of trademark infringement [copymarkblog.com] . The color green has long been used to indicate placing a call, which is why Samsung changing the color from green to blue is such a good example of IP law being so stifling that companies have to intentionally avoid making anything remotely similar to another company's products. The problem is there's only so often you can do this before you run out of things to avoid.

Aside from the green phone icon, another example is Apple's claim that Samsung's yellow notepad icon infringes on its own yellow notepad icon. Yellow notepads are fairly common, yet for some strange reason it is wrong for Samsung to use the color yellow for its notepad icon. If all other companies acted the same, imagine the many different colors each company would have to avoid, like mines in a minefield.

It's not just the color. Apple's phone icon was a white outline of a landline-style handset, held at a 45-degree angle against a lime-green square background tile. Samsung's icon used the same white outline, the same green background, the same angle, and the same tile shape.

Even if you assume that Samsung wanted to keep (A) Green as the make-a-call color (B) A landline-phone icon shape, they could have
1. Made the phone outline itself green, instead of the background
2. Used a base-and-handset outline (like, say, the way most fonts render U+260E) instead of the handset outline
3. Rotated the handset to some other angle
4. Made the background round, or any other shape

And probably a dozen other things. Run a Google Image search for "phone icon."

They cannot. (1)

ctrl-alt-canc (977108) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764018)

Apple patented the idea of designing a device that does not infringe their patents.

In Other Words... (1)

SammyIAm (1348279) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764038)

So let me get this straight. Samsung is designing a device that specifically doesn't infringe on another company's patents. And this is news? Isn't that generally the goal of patents (at least when they're not terribly broken like they are)?

Also, they seem to have been ABLE to produce a phone that didn't rip off Apple's design (it looks pretty good actually), what was all this about "it's impossible not to make a phone exactly like Apple's" stuff that was floating around in their defense earlier?

Re:In Other Words... (1)

JDG1980 (2438906) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764078)

It's a sign of how broken our patent system is that a company has to go out of its way to avoid inadvertent infringement. If two different inventors in the same field, working independently, would reasonably be expected to come up with the same idea, it shouldn't be subject to patent at all.

With all that parallax side scrolling and tiles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37764058)

With all that parallax scrolling and tiles they will have to worry about Microsoft patents a lot more.

So when are they..... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764060)

Going to sell all the current Ones for $99.00 to dump all the ones already built? I'll take a couple!

Design Patent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37764178)

Whereas, I don't think that designs are patentable, when you can mistake your wife's phone for yours walking out the door, they ripped the design off. That's fine for your Chinese mass-market aPhone, but Samsung has a design staff.

It's good that they acknowledged (if nothing else, the legal threat) the problem and took steps to correct -- the new phone looks fine and not like an iPhone.

Now, let's get back to our regularly scheduled topics . . . like "iPhone Keylogger Can Snoop On Desktop Typing" where the summary talks about smart phones. Remember when slashdot had less than 3 apple articles in a day? Me neither.

Re:Design Patent (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764436)

All phones look pretty much the same these days in case you haven't noticed. A black rectangle with child-safe corners and a screen taking up most of the face. The only way the iPhone ever stands out is the silver edging, and the chrome back before that.

Does it come... (1)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764180)

In a circular box?

Anyone? (2)

ZenDragon (1205104) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764298)

Anybody actually know what are the patents that Samsung is supposedly infringing on?

Good for Apple on currrent suits (-1, Troll)

Quila (201335) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764334)

He basically admitted to violating Apple patents with current products.

And for competition, for now Samsung has learned to avoid copying Apple in design. Now maybe they can do something original.

Meanwhile, Samsung is trying to submarine the standardization process with its patents, and the courts aren't buying it.

Of course Apple are all over this (5, Informative)

phonewebcam (446772) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764360)

They need to get all its features ready for the 2013 model iPhone so they can claim them as own their invention, the same way the half assed iPhone update from 2 weeks back magically got the widgets and notifications Android has had from the start.

How did they avoid that? (1)

mmcuh (1088773) | more than 2 years ago | (#37764494)

Did they make it round with square corners?
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