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Ballmer Slams Android As Cheap and Overcomplicated

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the my-kid-is-better-than-your-kid dept.

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jfruhlinger writes "On the day Android Ice Cream Sandwich was released, Steve Ballmer livened up the Web 2.0 conference by lobbing potshots at Google's mobile OS, calling it the choice of 'cheap' phones and claiming 'the biggest advantage we have over Android is that you don't need to be a computer scientist to use a Windows Phone.'"

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He does have some good points (1, Troll)

TechLA (2482532) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767292)

Windows Phone 7 UI is really well done. It might come as a suprise, especially after Windows Mobiles, but it really is. It might even be better than iPhone's UI. Android is a copy of iPhone, but not that well done. On top of that it seems to change a lot between different manufacturers and versions. There's no unified look.

If you have looked at any of the Android tablets, they aren't really that well done either. iPad is a lot better and more polished product. And, Windows 8 tablets will have the advantage of being able to run standard Windows programs if they want to (.NET apps should work even without recompiling).

Like Ballmer says, they aren't even targeting the geek group. They are targeting both casual people and business people. They don't want to mess around with the system. iPhone is just for casual people, the artsy type and geeks who just want a good platform. However, to be fair, I find Windows Phone 7 to be a solid platform and Nokia should be able to make great hardware for it. On top of that it supports .NET and Visual Studio, which quite honestly is the best developing environment on the planet. So if you're an existing Windows developer, moving to Windows Phone 7 is piece of cake.

He does have good points, and others have said the same before. Even Steve Jobs said the same. Instead of hating Ballmer for stating the truth, maybe we should work on Android to make it better. But as years go by, I find that GPL and Linux geeks fall under that a lot - they completely ignore what people actually want, and the answer is usually something along the lines "do it yourself". Sure, that's fine for a hobbyist project, but you shouldn't be surprised if people choose other products instead or point out why they do so.

Re:He does have some good points (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767346)

And you typed it all in less than a minute...

Re:He does have some good points (0, Troll)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767440)

You nailed that astroturfer!

I guess TechLA will not be getting his free Windows gadget after this gaff.

Re:He does have some good points (4, Insightful)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767612)

Or maybe the FP saw it in the firehose, like I and others did?

Re:He does have some good points (0)

Stumbles (602007) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767520)

It was Monkey Boy himself.

Re:He does have some good points (0, Troll)

phonewebcam (446772) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767556)

There is ample past evidence on Slashdot of the Seattle cut n pasters: an army of m$ shills paid to do no more than press F5 on Slashdots home page waiting to pounce with their trusty control-V's at the merest hint of criticism.

Re:He does have some good points (0)

pspahn (1175617) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767646)

Why such a negative connotation?

I'm sure there are plenty of people that would love to have that job.

Do you also blame individual soldiers when the war is lost?

Re:He does have some good points (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767866)

How is that job any different than sending spam emails?
Some people probably love sending those or at least composing them to get around filters.

Re:He does have some good points (1, Insightful)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767666)

Or he's a subscriber and had time to pre-write it.

Re:He does have some good points (1, Troll)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767736)

Read all his comments, nothing but astroturf.

Re:He does have some good points (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767348)

How is android a copy of iphone? perhaps specific manufacturer's overlays/ui's have been... but android as an os? really?

Re:He does have some good points (3, Insightful)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767480)

I think he refers to the "icon grid" UI paradigm. Most people who say that Android is like iOS mean that.

Re:He does have some good points (2)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767552)

The UI that iOS copied from PalmOS?

Re:He does have some good points (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767626)

And that Palm copied from Mac OS, which presumably copied it from Xerox?

Re:He does have some good points (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767706)

Don't tell me. I've used Nokia phones ages ago, and these had icon grid pretty much identical to what we have today (even before touchscreens).

Nonetheless, icons are the first thing noticed when you compare home screens of two phones side by side, and they look similar enough that many people take it as a proof that one copies from the other...

Re:He does have some good points (1)

phonewebcam (446772) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767704)

Would that be like the way the Sony Ericsson P800 laid its touchable icons out [symbianware.com] in 2002?

Re:He does have some good points (1)

misterivanovich (2488890) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767544)

Don't feed the trolls! We all know that Android is no more an iOS rip Windows 8 is a MeeGo rip. I'll fully agree with whoever doesn't believe Ballmer has ever used an Android device. There has yet to be a feature on CyanogenMod that I wanted but couldn't find, and I've got plenty of iPhone-using friends that will fiddle for hours, Googling and scouring through their phones trying to find how to turn some annoying alert off, or change some hidden settings to no avail. iOS is gorgeous, but certainly not tailor-made. Android has enough bells and whistles strapped and tied to it to keep you busy for hours while you customize all your settings. Windows mobile... Well, it's sleek and to the point by the look of things (I haven't played around with one myself, so that's about all I can say about it!).

Re:He does have some good points (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767384)

That's some first post. What are the odds you didn't have this astroturf typed and ready knowing this article would be posted? Pretty much zero.

Re:He does have some good points (1, Flamebait)

phonewebcam (446772) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767728)

Why, its almost as if there's some mysterious gang out there who m$ pay by the article to post these canned rebuttals.

He has a GREAT point! (1)

paulsnx2 (453081) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767390)

I AM a Computer Scientist!

Re:He does have some good points (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767452)

Clearly you are not a developer, and know little about the platforms. Visual Studio has strengths in some areas, but as a development platform it really isn't very good. The main problems I've experienced have been centered around Microsoft not adhering to standards.

Android is hardly a "copy" of the iPhone. Completely different from the surface all the way through. Ballmer is an idiot, and the main reason Apple are doing so well.

Anyway he shouldn't knock Android, considering the money he is extorting out of companies using it.

Re:He does have some good points (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767476)

And, Windows 8 tablets will have the advantage of being able to run standard Windows programs if they want to (.NET apps should work even without recompiling).

Really? Even if the tablet is ARM based?

So if you're an existing Windows developer, moving to Windows Phone 7 is piece of cake.

And if you're an existing Java developer, moving to Android is a piece of cake.

Re:He does have some good points (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767594)

please, don't say this.

know what? guys and resources are defined in xml! it's 1998 java all over again!

Re:He does have some good points (2)

sunderland56 (621843) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767508)

Windows Phone 7 UI is really well done.

If Ballmer meant that - and he probably did - then he should have said UI, not OS.

When people stop using the almost meaningless term "operating system", and refer to what they mean - kernel, UI, packaged apps, public API - there might be less pointless arguments about Mac vs. Windows vs. "Linux".

Re:He does have some good points (4, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767512)

And, Windows 8 tablets will have the advantage of being able to run standard Windows programs if they want to (.NET apps should work even without recompiling).

On x86 tablets, it's not surprising, but their battery life and weight remain to be seen.

On ARM tablets, no, you won't be able to run .NET apps without recompiling, much less any random desktop app - as the only API supported for third-party apps on ARM devices is WinRT, anything that's not written to use that has to be refactored - and it's neither binary nor source-compatible to any current Windows APIs. Generally speaking, a Silverlight app would be easiest to port, but it's still not "just recompile and run".

Re:He does have some good points (2)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767530)

Android is a copy of iPhone, but not that well done.

O RLY? So why is it that so many of the "cool new features" in iOS 5 are features that Android has had for quite awhile now?

Re:He does have some good points (5, Informative)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767578)

Android is a copy of iPhone, but not that well done.

O RLY? So why is it that so many of the "cool new features" in iOS 5 are features that Android has had for quite awhile now?

Because Google uses a time machine. Each iteration of Android copies, imperfectly, features from future versions of iOS.

Re:He does have some good points (2)

BeerCat (685972) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767750)

Android is a copy of iPhone, but not that well done.

O RLY? So why is it that so many of the "cool new features" in iOS 5 are features that Android has had for quite awhile now?

Because Google uses a time machine. Each iteration of Android copies, imperfectly, features from future versions of iOS.

I thought it was Apple that had the Time Machine...

Re:He does have some good points (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767568)

On top of that it supports .NET and Visual Studio, which quite honestly is the best developing environment on the planet.

Too bad it doesn't come with a system where most of the actual development environment, like libraries, are as close as an apt-get install. But the editor is great!

But as years go by, I find that GPL and Linux geeks fall under that a lot - they completely ignore what people actually want, and the answer is usually something along the lines "do it yourself". Sure, that's fine for a hobbyist project, but you shouldn't be surprised if people choose other products instead or point out why they do so.

Yeah and that petty internet, running on top of all that open source. Sure looks hobbyist, no wonder people chose... No wait they didn't

Re:He does have some good points (0)

epyT-R (613989) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767584)

uh no.. people choose android when they need something more than idiot box that takes calls and plays drm 'd content.

Re:He does have some good points (4, Insightful)

youn (1516637) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767618)

many times, I am critical of MS but I think the guy did not deserve to be modded down to 0 points.

I am gonna get (ice) creamed for this... but the ui is indeed well done, the way the os works to safegard against misbehaving apps yet allow flexibility is good, the developer tools are nice (it took me about hour to write a simple app - time to download visual studio included - and that time I ever touched .net), since it is .net not prisoner of one language, good tool developing visually, advertising is as simple as adding an ad control... they actually put some efforts into this.

Not sure if they'll get many developers interested in the marketplace at $99 a year unless their device sales pick up though.

Re:He does have some good points (1)

JordanL (886154) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767752)

He got modded down because he made it absurdly obvious that he is astroturfing.

Re:He does have some good points (-1, Troll)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767822)

He is an astroturfer, even if he made a decent comment it should be modded to the bottom of the heap. This is a discussion area not a spam area.

Cheap? (2)

microbee (682094) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767322)

Doesn't Windows have a lower TOC than Linux, according to Microsoft?

Re:Cheap? (1)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767772)

I like the irony that he says its cheap and then requires a PHD to operate.

A walled garden is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767332)

as a walled garden does.

In other words, (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767352)

Windows Phone 7 will be not-cheap and not-complex.

This means it will be expensive and not do half the stuff Android does.

Re:In other words, (2)

pyrr (1170465) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767506)

So, it'll basically be an iPhone, only without the market traction that Apple has gained? I see another dismal phone failure in Microsoft's future.

Re:In other words, (1)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767620)

Is it like a Zune that makes phone calls? That would be special... or something.

Re:In other words, (5, Funny)

clueless_penguin (514639) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767824)

It will squirt phone calls...

Re:In other words, (4, Funny)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767864)

It'll be a kin to the Zune, yeah.

Business smarts (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767354)

This from the man who thought the iphone was too expensive and would never get a foothold in the business market. Real business savvy there. Why haven't they fired the guy yet again?

Re:Business smarts (1)

TechLA (2482532) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767406)

Real business savvy there. Why haven't they fired the guy yet again?

Yeah, it's obvious Ballmer doesn't know how to make a successful company. He has only been the main guy handling the worlds largest computer technology company's finances since the beginning. On top of that he also seems to make lots of long-term plans (Xbox, Bing, even while they were hurting first), unlike competitors who just go for quick money grab. Such a bad business man.

Re:Business smarts (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767446)

Yeah, it's obvious Ballmer doesn't know how to make a successful company.

Indeed. Just look at Microsoft's stock price history.

Re:Business smarts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767758)

Oh yeah, they're totally not just hanging on by sheer unwillingness for people and companies to bother changing OS's. It's not like every other version of Windows is a fucking joke, and there's generally universal hatred towards any helpful changes they make (the Ribbon anyone?)

Bing is a joke, and isn't Xbox still losing money on every console? In either case, it's a far last place compared to the other consoles.

Get lost Microsoft shill. MS has too much shit over it for the Slashdot crowd to bow to every compliment towards them.

Re:Business smarts (4, Informative)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767650)

>Why haven't they fired the guy yet again?

Because of the amount of voting stock he owns. Remember that he was there from the absolute beginning in 1976. The only way he's leaving is by having a heart attack whilst throwing a chair or voluntarily retiring.

--
BMO

Out there (4, Insightful)

Dan East (318230) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767362)

I get the impression Ballmer hasn't even used an Android phone. Exactly what part of the OS is complicated to use? Really, that's just an absurd, out-there statement.

Re:Out there (1)

xavdeman (946931) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767468)

"calling it the choice of 'cheap' phones" Which makes Windows Mobile the choice of 'expensive' phones? Which is a good thing, why? On Topic: I fail to see how my LG Optimus 2X is in any way inferior, build quality and feature wise, to the Windows Phone, ehm.. phones!

Re:Out there (2)

haus (129916) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767470)

Perhaps he is referring to the complications of updating the OS when your handset maker/ cell carrier sold you a phone that is several revisions out of date and they refuse to make current updates available to you.

Re:Out there (3, Insightful)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767536)

Unlike with a Windows phone where you can... still do nothing about that. If a hardware vendor wont update the software the way you like it, you dont buy from them again. Which OS they refuse to update has little to do with it.

Re:Out there (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767794)

Unlike with a Windows phone where you can... still do nothing about that. If a hardware vendor wont update the software the way you like it, you dont buy from them again. Which OS they refuse to update has little to do with it.

True, except Microsoft magically seems to have solved this problem with their partner relations. Did you miss the fact that 98% of Windows Phones had the Mango update available within a four week span [venturebeat.com] ?

Microsoft hasn't been getting a ton of press, but their WP7 update work is seriously impressive and deserves credit. Google doesn't remotely have their shit together in the update arena, which is a big part of why I have no interest in any Android phone.

Re:Out there (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767808)

Unlike with a Windows phone where you can... still do nothing about that.

Sure, but hardware vendors can't actually sell a phone using a version of "Windows Phone" OS that is several versions out of date, since Microsoft changed the name of their phone OS immediately prior to WinPhone 7. And even if they could do so, they wouldn't, because "several versions" out of date for whatever the current Windows mobile OS is called would be a much older version than "several versions" out of date for Android.

WinMo 6.5 was released at about the same time as Android 1.5 (Cupcake).

Re:Out there (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767852)

All of the Windows Phone OS updates (3 so far) have been available for every hardware device on every carrier, in a mostly timely fashion. There were some AT&T delays in the first two releases, but they seem to have gotten their act together and Mango will be less than a month from first availability to available for 100% of Windows Phones.

Mango has been available for three weeks and 38% of Windows Phones have been upgraded.
Gingerbread has been available for a year and 39% of Android phones have been upgraded.

Re:Out there (2, Insightful)

zonky (1153039) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767614)

This.

I love my Nexus S, and maintain it via Cyangenmod, but the simple fact is that the majority of handsets are hopelessly out of date, with known security problems, and the networks just don't give a shit.

Re:Out there (0)

somersault (912633) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767632)

Solution: don't buy a phone if you aren't happy with its features. What's so hard about that? Not all iPhones run the latest iOS well - if they are allowed to install it at all.

Re:Out there (1)

JustinRLynn (831164) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767504)

Indeed, from the man who says he won't let his kids use an iPod, comes an appraisal of a product he's probably never really used. And of course, Google isn't allowed either, so, perhaps Android follows naturally. (iPod/Google reference: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/04/03/8373041/index.htm [cnn.com] )

Re:Out there (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767826)

When has not-complicated or elegant been what wins the world over?

What about MS-DOS?

Re:Out there (2)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767860)

Next Ballmer will lob an "Ice Cream Sandwich? The name alone a reason to buy a Windows phone instead."

Bad idea (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767364)

Everyone knows the iPhone is the phone for dumb people. Confirming Android as the phones for smart people leaves nothing for Windows.

Re:Bad idea (0)

nwf (25607) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767412)

Everyone knows the iPhone is the phone for dumb people. Confirming Android as the phones for smart people leaves nothing for Windows.

You miss the brain dead and zombies. There's your Win Phone market.

Re:Bad idea (1)

pspahn (1175617) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767528)

There's your Win Phone market.

Irony is certainly not lost on a name.

Re:Bad idea (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767574)

And everyone knows that iPhones are expensive. Confirming Android as "cheap" doesn't seem to leave much of a niche for Windows either.

Steve Ballmer, Product Designer (1)

Mullen (14656) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767376)

The best thing about Android Ice Cream Sandwich is that Steve Ballmer has gone nowhere near it.

Re:Steve Ballmer, Product Designer (1, Insightful)

Stereotypical Nerd (2488882) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767464)

Ballmer simply doesn't get it. The people are clamoring for an open phone that can do anything, and Google has provided it. Now Microsoft needs to slam everyone else in the marketplace because once again, they're in the "me-too" position desperately trying to catch up to the leader.

Same old Ballmer smack talk (5, Interesting)

Lemming Mark (849014) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767380)

That sounds like same Ballmer who laughed at the iPhone because of how expensive it was: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U [youtube.com]

Same negative marketing smack talk. Also, enjoy the irony that expensive phones are apparently now good, and cheap is bad. (although, of course, cheap isn't the same thing as inexpensive - it really *is* good to be neither expensive nor cheap).

Re:Same old Ballmer smack talk (2)

TechLA (2482532) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767484)

You do know that things change and advance? To be honest, the expensive phones 5 year ago really weren't that good. They were clunky, slow and offered features that would be common place in cheap phones now. There's a reason why Apple didn't make iPhone before they did - they had to wait until that time it was actually feasible.

news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767396)

I have news for ballmer. Phone's "dont matter".

Steve only smears technology that's better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767408)

Steve famously said no one would buy an iPhone either. The fact the Microsoft still calls their offering a "phone" is a indicator of how they view the mobile space, about 15 years too late.

Re:Steve only smears technology that's better (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767692)

You mean as opposed to the iPhone?

WTF happened to you, AC? You used to be so witty and inciteful.. uh, I mean insightful.

Took me about a day to figure out my Android (0)

sandytaru (1158959) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767410)

Specifically, it took me two missed calls to figure out how to answer them. But after that, doing everything and anything I wanted on that phone was cake. (And now ice cream too.)

Re:Took me about a day to figure out my Android (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767554)

And an eclair, a donut, a frozen youghurt and a gingerbread?

Great! (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767414)

My wife loves her new Android phone. She will be so excited that she now has a Computer Science degree as well as her PoliSci degree.
So apply for a job at Microsoft and put down you have a Degree in CS and when they ask from where hold up your Android phone and point at at.

Brace yourself for flying chairs (2, Informative)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767434)

Let's not forget; Ballmer isn't exactly fond of Google*. I'm not surprised he's got a mouthful of trash to talk.

"At that point, Mr. Ballmer picked up a chair and threw it across the room hitting a table in his office," Lucovosky recounted, adding that Ballmer then launched into a tirade about Google CEO Eric Schmidt. "I'm going to f***ing bury that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again. I'm going to f***ing kill Google." Schmidt previously worked for Sun Microsystems and was the CEO of Novell.

[*] - http://news.cnet.com/2100-1014_3-5846243.html [cnet.com]

So...? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767444)

It's okay though... no one listens to Ballmer anymore these days except Microsoft employees because they have to.

WP7 the phones for stupid people that pay too much (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767450)

Really Steve? Do you know just how stupid that makes you sound?

Re:WP7 the phones for stupid people that pay too m (2)

pyrr (1170465) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767654)

I don't think he does, he says stupid things fairly often. His mouth is like a font, with stupidity gushing forth. Given the dismal track record of previous Microsoft products that attempted to go up against the iPod (Zune), iTunes (MSN Music Store), and iPhone (Kin), their new offering will have an extreme uphill battle, and probably be abandoned just like its predecessors.

That'll be one major factor contributing to the new Windows phone's failure, it's hard to trust that Microsoft will stick with something when the going gets a little tough, and most people actually do learn when they've been burned by a vendor who sells them a bum product and then drops all support for it within months. Clearly, as CEO, he hasn't learned any lessons from previous dismal failures, either.

Ballmer is a visionary (1)

md65536 (670240) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767460)

It's wise of ms to go after the high-price, low-IQ market.

"You don't need to be a computer scientist to use a Windows Phone. You don't need to be anything at all! Most WP users don't even exist!"

The biggest advantage that WP has over Android is that one thing Ballmer mentioned. The biggest advantage that Android has over WP is everything else.

Re:Ballmer is a visionary (4, Funny)

firewrought (36952) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767600)

It's wise of Microsoft to go after the high-price, low-IQ market.

But Apple's already filled that niche... :O

Re:Ballmer is a visionary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767828)

It's wise of ms to go after the high-price, low-IQ market.

Correct! They're copying the Apple model that has proved enormously successful. But they're going to come unstuck, again. Apple used OSS as a base, then added their own spin, but more importantly, they "make" hardware with large profit margins. Microsoft do not make phones and will require phone makers to use their OS, or bribe then with billions like they did with Nokia.

We don't like our competitor's product! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767466)

Big surprise. A competitor slams their opponent's product.

For the matter of cheap, cheap is good. Cheap != directly relate to quality. If you can get a quality product for less, then less is definitely better.

As for complicated, to some degree. Really depends on the person. Compared to current generation smart phones, Android is particularly difficult. Sure, there is definite room for improvement but the current market of smart phone users don't have too much trouble with it. To say that you need a "computer scientist" to use an Android phone definitely goes against the many millions already using the phone (not all are technical users though are probably more technologically inclined as most smart phone users are).

lobbing potshots at Google's mobile OS, (1)

xs650 (741277) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767482)

"lobbing potshots at Google's mobile OS,"

Is that a step up or down from lobbing chairs?

The biggest advantage of Android... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767492)

...is that it isn't managed by Steve Ballmer.

Change of heart Mr. Ballmer? (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767494)

It wasn't that long ago that Mr. Ballmer claimed that nobody would be buying Macs because they were more expensive, and nobody would "pay $500 for a logo"(despite the fact that that the price difference is nowhere near that, and you actually get a real OS instead of a toy, that wasn't mentioned). But now that the shoe is on the other foot all of a sudden he thinks people are willing to "pay for quality"(despite the fact that like every other Microsoft product WP7 is a steaming pile). So which is it Mr. Ballmer? Will people pay for a logo or won't they? Will people pay for quality?

All Android issue are belong to us... (1)

paulsnx2 (453081) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767496)

Seriously, I have a Google Nexus One, I am one of the 165K that bought the thing.

It has been a joy. No Telecom crap. A few applications I can't uninstall (grrrrr) but the UI and functionality has been peachy. I am always showing off how easy it is to do multitasking, navigation, web searches, ... All the stuff I want to do.

My wife's Atrix? Not so much. Maybe now that Google is buying them, Google can scrape the sludge of a UI Motorola slathered on their phones.

Re:All Android issue are belong to us... (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767658)

The only vendor UI I've used that I have any love for is Sense. I eventually ditched it on my G2 in exchange for Gingerbread (switching from Visionary to CM7 ROM), but miss a few things from sense. I particularly liked the contact linking, their dialer, and the look of their clock/weather applets.

All the other custom UIs I've seen are worse than stock in every way, and tend to slow down upgrades of the OS. It's a shame everyone is trying to differentiate them-self with software rather than hardware and price.

My How Things Have Changed (1)

syntap (242090) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767526)

I wonder if he would have made that same statement about Microsoft's innovative efforts and visionary user experience without laughing just two years ago, pitting Eclair against Windows mobile 6. I dare him to use a Samsung Omnia II for more than five minutes without crushing it to bits.

Steve Ballmer FUD 1st Prize, +4, Informative (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767572)

Allow me to introduce myself. I'm the founder of the Anti-Steve Ballmer Society. In this letter, I will tell you what made me form such an organization and how I plan to use it to redefine in practical terms the immutable ideals that have guided us from the beginning. Please note that many of the conclusions I'm about to draw are based on cogent and virtually incontrovertible evidence provided by a set of people who have suffered immensely on account of Steve Ballmer.

At the same time, if onanism were an Olympic sport, Ballmer would clinch the gold medal. Don't let yourself be persuaded by vainglorious charlatans who secretly want to turn us into easy prey for cuckoo intrusive-types. It has been said that people like him make me sick. That makes sense to me. I believe it's true. But it surely implies that he says that he wants to make life better for everyone. Lacking a coherent ideology, however, he always ends up carving out space in the mainstream for duplicitous politics.

At the risk of sounding hopelessly insidious, the baneful nature of Ballmer's projects is not just a rumor. It is a fact to which I can testify. Ballmer's shell games are merely a stalking horse. They mask his secret intention to drive us into a state of apoplexy. Ballmer consumes, infests, and destroys. He lives off the death and destruction of others. For that reason alone we need to establish beyond a shred of doubt that Ballmer's latest "revelation" (really, hallucination) is that his contrivances won't be used for political retribution.

When I was little, my father would sometimes pick me up, put me on his knee, and say "It is my intent to initiate meaningful change." Hey, it's not my fault that Ballmer's polity appears to be growing in number. I indubitably pray that this is analogous to the flare-up of a candle just before extinction, yet I keep reminding myself that Ballmer is terrified that there might be an absolute reality outside himself, a reality that is what it is, regardless of his wishes, theories, hopes, daydreams, or decrees.

Ballmer likes violating his pledge not to visit misery and havoc upon countless millions. That's the most damnable thing about him. It's also why nothing unites people like a common enemy. That's why I would encourage everybody to take some shots of their own at Ballmer by reprimanding him for scattering about in profusion an abundance of pro-Ballmer diatribes. Taking that notion one step further, we can see that I have a dream that my children will be able to live in a world filled with open spaces and beautiful wilderness—not in a dark, neo-abusive world run by brown-nosing cheapskates. As the adherents of Randian objectivism believe, Ballmer is willing—even eager—to jettison his scruples in order to stay ahead of the pack. Furthermore, as the adherents of empiricism observe, Ballmer has hatched all sorts of oleaginous plans. Remember his attempt to put the prisoners in charge of running the prison? No? That's because Ballmer is so good at concealing his conceited, stroppy activities.

Of course, Ballmer's recommendations are not our only concern. To state the matter in a few words, education is already suffering as a direct result of Ballmer's fairy tales. That's the sort of statement that some people insist is bloodthirsty but which I believe is merely a statement of fact. And it's a statement that needs to be made because sometime in the future Ballmer will conduct business in a disaffected, spleeny way. Fortunately, that hasn't happened...yet. But it will unequivocally happen if we don't build a world overflowing with compassion and tolerance.

There are two reasons that induce me to submit Ballmer's newsgroup postings to a special examination: 1) Ballmer feels he has not only a right, but also a duty, to enthrone falsehood in the very center of human thought, and 2) he has been, still is, and always will remain more chauvinistic than improvident, ignorant lunkheads. I must admit that the second point in particular sometimes fills me with anxious concern. He seems unable to think of turns of speech that aren't hackneyed. What really grates on my nerves, however, is that Ballmer's prose consists less of words chosen for the sake of their meaning than of phrases tacked together like the sections of a prefabricated henhouse. He once said that he commands an army of robots that live in the hollow center of the earth and produce earthquakes whenever they feel like shaking things up a bit on the surface. Oh, please. I'm just glad I hadn't eaten dinner right before I heard him say that. Otherwise, I'd probably still be vomiting too hard to tell you that one could truthfully say that Ballmer is trying to sell us a pig in a poke. But saying that would miss the real point, which is that there are many roads leading to the defeat of his plans to take the focus off the real issues. I undeniably allege that all of these roads must eventually pass through the same set of gates: the ability to exercise all of our basic rights to the maximum.

While we may all pray for a perfect utopian world in which everyone is holding hands and singing "We Are the World" in perfect harmony, the reality is that Ballmer has delivered exactly the opposite of what he had previously promised us. Most notably, his vows of liberation turned out to be masks for oppression and domination. And, almost as troubling, Ballmer's vows of equality did little more than convince people that Ballmer likes to seem smarter than he really is. It therefore always amuses me whenever he cracks open a thesaurus, aims for intellectualism, misses, and lands squarely in a puddle of disloyal frippery. Have you ever had a bad dream about him trying to torment, harry, and persecute anyone who crosses his path? Well, I have news for you. That wasn't a dream; it was real.

There is only one way to stop Ballmer from regimenting the public mind as much as an army regiments the bodies of its soldiers. We must make out of fools, wise people; out of fanatics, men of sense; out of idlers, workers; out of brutish stirrers, people who are willing to get people to see through the hollowness, the sham, the silliness of Ballmer's aberrant expostulations. Then together we can show some backbone. Together we can show the world that most members of our quick-fix, sugar-rush, attention-deficit society are too impatient to realize the importance of snapping Ballmer's cat's-paws out of their trance. I wish only that a few more people could see that Ballmer's ill-tempered form of denominationalism is like a forest fire. Once it is started, none can set bounds to the resulting conflagration. The only option is to tell you things that Ballmer doesn't want you to know. While doing so won't put a stop to denominationalism, it will demonstrate decisively that I wonder what would happen if Ballmer really did call for ritualistic invocations of needlessly formal rules. There's a spooky thought.

Back when our policemen were guardians, not enforcers, they would have protected us from Ballmer's faction. Today, it seems that most officers of the law are content to sit back and let Ballmer create an intimidating, hostile, and demeaning environment. That's why we must build a sane and healthy society free of his destructive influences. I was, however, going to forget about the whole thing when it suddenly occurred to me that he is like a magician who produces a dove in one hand while the other hand is busy trying to lay all of society open to the predations of organized criminality. Ballmer may not have a monopoly on the perpetuation of animalism, but he says that anyone who disagrees with him is ultimately illaudable. Whenever I hear such statements from Ballmer I reel in disbelief. Does he really believe such detestable things? Before you answer, let me point out that I want to make this clear so that those who do not understand deeper messages embedded within sarcastic irony—and you know who I'm referring to—can process my point. Anyway, I hope I've made my point, which is that Steve Ballmer has arrived at the highest degree of imposture.

Yours In Minsk,
Kilgore Trout

Complex? No. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767604)

I think he's confusing complexity with features and flexibility. IMHO android OS beats everything else in that area and thats what people really want right? features and flexibility?

The devs aren't ignoring anybody, they've created an os that CAN be simple to use but if you're not in the tech crowd and you start digging around you're gonna get buried and of course its going to seem complicated.

It's like clicking something that says "Advanced Settings" and then complaining about it being too complicated. If you see something you dont understand do yourself a favor and push the back button. simple.

Android isn't for everyone (3, Insightful)

willoughby (1367773) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767634)

I have a T-Mobile MyTouch 4g running Cyanogenmod 7.1 in my pocket right now. It's a very, very nice phone. I also have a friend who is looking to buy his first smartphone. He just wants the Internet in his pocket, and reading product barcodes to immediatly find reviews & prices interests him. No games or videoconferencing or anything fancy.

The main reason I told him to buy an iPhone is that if you go into a store to choose an Android phone there is no way to know if, when an OS update is released, you will receive it at all. The "latest-android" might be out, and you are wondering when you'll have it pushed to your phone. The carrier says to talk to the manufacturer, the manufacturer says they released it to the carrier, no-one knows for sure if you'll get it all. LG, Motorola, HTC, Samsung multiplied by T-mobile, ATT, Verizon and you have a huge matrix of possibilities and no-one can tell you before you choose a handset if that one will recieve OS updates, or how quickly.

Even folks on the same carrier but with different brand handsets see wildly different timeframes for updates.

I can update my Cyanogenmod myself, but he can't & shouldn't need to. He should just be able to walk out of the store with a smartphone and, when an OS update is released, just have it pumped into his phone right away.

Android phones are great for enthusiasts but for my friend & most other folks, the iPhone is a better choice.

Re:Android isn't for everyone (1)

tycoex (1832784) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767766)

You should have had him get a Nexus S.

Ballmer Continued: (2)

edcs (1931354) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767638)

"The biggest disadvantage we have is that nobody will touch a Windows phone with a 15 foot barge pole".

Ballmer slams Android? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767640)

I would say out of Android, Apple OS, and Windows Phone, Windows is the most complicated. Ask any 3 year old! Plus, you need to be a complete dufe to even run Windows on a phone in the first place. #AndroidRules

My brothers are computer demolitionists (1)

atari2600a (1892574) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767642)

Somehow their HTC Evo Shifts are working just fine, aside from the occasional broken screen. (& guess who gets to fix it) The only problem I've seen so far is bloatware bogging the things down by running on startup as services, & that's the CARRIER'S fault for following the WINDOWS pack-in model, AKA something you won't experience with vanilla Android or Cyanogenmod, just like you won't experience it w/ vanilla Windows that's like twice as expensive compared to what the volume licensees get.

Cool! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767652)

As an Android user, should I take this as a compliment?

Jailbreaking? (2)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767784)

you don't need to be a computer scientist to use a

OK lets define "use" as making the computer bend to my will, rather than making me bend to the computer's will. In other words, I wanna install whatever software I want.

Rank the iphone, android, and windows phone in order of education requirements to jailbreak.

My very semi-serious research:

iphone is supposedly jailbreakable with like "click on a website" or something. Or at least it was. Then it either magically worked or was irrecoverably bricked. So I'd say this is roughly lower grade school level.

android takes all kinds of foolishness just to install cyanogenmod, but its well documented. You need about as much skill as it takes to bake a cake, which admittedly most of the marching morons can't do without setting the kitchen on fire. I'd say this is roughly college freshman level.

I don't think anyone uses windows phone so there is not much news out there. I'd say roughly PHD level because you'll be breaking new territory, using something no sane person has ever used before. Kind of like LSD in the early 60s.

Slams ? Android ? (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767802)

Oh no ... thats a huge step down from slamming chairs as a sign of anger. think - a measly smartphone .... not striking at all.

So you're saying.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37767816)

..it's inexpensive but powerful? Hmm.. I didn't see Android as quite that attractive but I'll give it a try. Thanks for the recommendation, Steve.

And thats why Windows Phone sales (1)

imric (6240) | more than 2 years ago | (#37767834)

have blown by Android and iPhone, right?

If he's right (BIG "if") though, I have one thing to say to him:

"Welcome to OS/2-land, BITCH."

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