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Ubuntu Turns 7

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the lots-of-work-and-much-success dept.

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sfcrazy writes "Ubuntu, the world's most popular GNU/Linux based operating system is celebrating its 7th year today. Ubuntu was first released on 20 October 2004. In these 7 years Ubuntu has changed the GNU/Linux desktop segment by making it more useful for ordinary user." Besides the work that Ubuntu has done to popularize and polish the Linux desktop, and to present a humane entry point for non-guru users, it's provided a base for many other distributions (like Mint and Puppy) and helped make people realize just how powerful is the Debian infrastructure that Ubuntu itself launched from.

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Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (4, Insightful)

yog (19073) | more than 2 years ago | (#37773684)

I used to love Ubuntu; a few years ago, I threw it on a Dell laptop and it just worked (albeit with a bit of tweaking to get wifi connected). I was impressed by its ability to locate printers on the network. Now I have it on both a desktop and a couple of laptops. I also have it in VirtualBox on my XP work laptop and it works great there as well.

However, in recent versions they are pitching this Unity desktop thing which I despise. It may be great, it may be awesome, it may be the next big thing. But it's not for me. I'm an old Windows/X/KDE guy and I don't want to deal with icons down the side. So I'm stuck on an old revision and am starting to look around for another distro, possibly OpenSuse which I use at work and enjoy very much.

Now they are forcing Unity on us in the latest revision; there's no option to go back to the classic desktop (please correct me if I'm wrong but that's what Slashdot said a few days ago).

I will agree that Canonical has done a great job popularizing this Windows alternative and making it so easy to install and use. I wish them well. I just wish they'd stop limiting people's choices. Linux is about choices. Guess I'll have to look into some of these Ubuntu offshoots like Linux Mint.

Kubuntu (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37773798)

Now they are forcing Unity on us in the latest revision; there's no option to go back to the classic desktop (please correct me if I'm wrong but that's what Slashdot said a few days ago).

You can install GNOME 2 after you log in for the first time. Or you can install KDE.

Re:Kubuntu (1)

cshark (673578) | more than 2 years ago | (#37774050)

Yeah, but the changes to xorg screw up anything else you try to work with. I don't know about KDE, but xorg has this weird shattering screen thing that happens when you install gnome on it. I'm looking for a new home os. Seriously considering Debian BSD with Gnome.

Re:Kubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37774628)

no xorg changes don't screw with KDE. I'm happily running it from 11.10 .

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37773804)

I've read a lot of forums, not just computer related ones but other things where someone starts a "Linux" thread.

I'd say the opinions run about 90% against unity, and 10% for. Trouble is, they made it the DEFAULT, rather than an option, and since in the mind of most non-hardcore people, Ubuntu *is* Linux, they are turning people off from using Linux. Sure, gurus know they can install KDE or XFCE or another environment, but people new to linux don't know that. They grab the thing they have heard of, a default version of Ubuntu, try it, encounter Unity, and think, "Wow, Linux really sucks", and go back to Windows.

It's doing irreparable harm to the image of Linux, and they *won't listen* to the massive outpouring of user feedback against it. It isn't that it shouldn't exist - it's fine, just not as the default environment for the distro! Because of that choice, it has been a disaster for the image of desktop Linux.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (2)

Frenzied Apathy (2473340) | more than 2 years ago | (#37774218)

It'd be interesting to know who those 90% and 10% are. I.e. are the 90% mostly people who have been using Ubuntu before - and therefore have something to compare to - and the 10% mostly newcomers? I'm curious because, as I stated in a previous post, I personally like Unity, which is my first experience with Linux.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37774264)

Here's a newsflash: It's people who hate something that post about it on the internet. People who like something generally don't.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#37774474)

Coincidentally 90% is approximately the proportion of the general public that think desktop GUIs ought to look like Windows...

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37774974)

I hate Windows and only use it to launch games. I certainly don't think all GUIs should be like Windows. But I also hate Unity. Unity is a cell phone GUI someone thought would be a good idea for a quad core desktop machine. Epic fail. It's dumbed down way too far to be useful.

KDE has the balance about right.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37775236)

I think the problem is that Unity is unified, rather than just a set of components. I quite like the unity launcher, but I'd like to set it to the bottom of the screen. No can-do: it's integrated with the top menubar. I'd like to get rid of that, and global menus, and switch to a wingpanel type arrangement. No can-do. It's integrated with the launcher. I'd like to swap out the ridiculously crap new alt+tab system for something that actually works as a way of switching between windows quickly. No can-do, it's part of the unity compiz plugin.

To my mind, Unity's biggest sin is that it tries to do everything, instead of each individual component doing one thing, and doing it well. This is not the Unix way. Switch to Xubuntu, and suddenly you get all that flexibility back. It's nothing like as polished, but the bit that aren't polished you can swap for bits that are.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (1)

laffer1 (701823) | about 2 years ago | (#37775238)

I think people need to stop pushing Linux distros as Linux. If we all start calling them by their given project name, it will avoid this confusion. We want end users to compare Fedora to Ubuntu to Suse to Debian, not one size fits all. Yeah they use the same kernel and some of the same software, but it's not even the same versions between current distros. It will just make things easier to deal with.

Besides, let's say we finally get that year of Linux on the desktop everyone dreams of. It won't be Linux on the desktop, it will be some distro on the desktop. They won't all hit critical mass. If distros marketed themselves distinctly, it would help.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (2)

Dyinobal (1427207) | more than 2 years ago | (#37773822)

ya I used the unity desktop and I didn't like it much. I ended up using Lubuntu for my laptop because a lot of the newer stuff in these latest few releases was really slowing it down for no good reason. About the only reason I use it these days I the debian packaging system, with out all the debian silliness.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37773884)

Choose Kubuntu, the KDE-based version of Ubuntu.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (1)

gfxguy (98788) | more than 2 years ago | (#37773970)

Me, too. Ubuntu got me back to Linux on the desktop. I'm a long time computer programmer and Linux tinkerer, but ultimately I like to log in and work or surf or play games or something, and I felt like I spent too much time tweaking other distributions to get everything to work.

The first time I tried Ubuntu (around 6.x) it just worked... on both the laptop and desktop, it recognized the video cards, network adapters, sound cards... it's true that later versions actually broke working things, which really pissed me off (I could have spent hours or days figuring out how to make my wireless adapter work, but I just downgraded instead).

I even gave Unity a fair shot - not a couple of hours, not a couple of days, but a couple of months. Now I use Xubuntu, and it's quite good.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (1)

Windwraith (932426) | more than 2 years ago | (#37773994)

"Forcing"? It's just the default, you can change it to whatever you want, as always.

It's like saying they are forcing Telepathy, but I swear I have Pidgin running here. And Synaptic instead of the Software Center.

Yes forcing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37774162)

Well I want to use GNOME 2...
Oh, so not whatever I want then. And don't even suggest gnome-session-fallback.

Re:Yes forcing (1)

Merk42 (1906718) | about 2 years ago | (#37775560)

Well the "They" in that case in GNOME, not Canonical

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37774850)

Currently the change does not last across reboots, if the automatic login is used. There is a bug filed for that, so it may be fixed some day and it is not there in purpose.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (1)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 2 years ago | (#37774002)

If you would prefer gnome 3 you can install the gnome-shell package or whatever; reportedly it works just fine... I dunno about gnome 2 though, I would expect there is a package for that too.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37774042)

$ sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback

Select gnome classic on the login screen. There are only 2 major differences as far as I can tell from the desktop in 10.10.
1) To get the panel's right click menu, you need to be holding down alt.
2) It doesn't carry Ubuntu's patches. So you don't get things like the sound indicator, just Gnome's more simple volume control.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#37774112)

I'd not heard about Unity, but your comment that it wasn't Windows enough for you made me look into it. To me being less like Windows is a big selling point.

For me it looks really nice. Linux copying OS X for a change rather than copying Windows. For the first time in years, a Linux UI that I actually fancy trying.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37774358)

It's beautiful. And functional. But it is *different* And most people don't deal well with change.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (4, Insightful)

cshark (673578) | more than 2 years ago | (#37774454)

Not true. It's not beautiful or functional.
It's been hindered, and it drains productivity.
It has no fucking admin tools! You can't move the control bar! You can't multi-task! You can't move icons! How is that functional?!

It's like Mac OS, without the flexibility. If you are a serious computer user, Unity is not for you.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37774778)

Sorry but OSX is way more usuable than the latest Ubuntu! I use OSX at home on the 6 Macs we have. I also use Ubuntu at work.

I've been using Ubuntu for 3 years as a primary work desktop to admin 75 Sun servers and 130 Oracle databases, it's been rock solid the whole time. Even one of my DBA collegues uses it as his primary desktop. It's been a dream up until 10.10. Then 11.04 with Unity came out and it's just shite!

I am playing with other distros looking for an alternative to this UNITY crap. I need a plain and functional desktop like Gnome 2. Simple, usuable and reliable in a high-pressure IT environment, that's what I want, Ubuntu no longer does it for me. Fedora, SuSE or even Oracle RHEL ripoff is on the cards.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (1)

laffer1 (701823) | about 2 years ago | (#37775302)

I totally agree with this. When I needed to use linux, Ubuntu was my go to distro for the last several years. I migrated from Redhat and Gentoo to it. I've ended up using Debian lately. It's a little behind what Ubuntu was, but it's a lot more stable and many things work for me that didn't in Ubuntu out of the box.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (2)

Knuckles (8964) | about 2 years ago | (#37775438)

You can't multitask? You can't move icons? Not true at all.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (1)

sarhjinian (94086) | about 2 years ago | (#37775568)

If you are a serious computer user, Unity is not for you.

Ubuntu's tagline, for years, has been "Linux for Human Beings". Unity is not meant for serious computer users, which is why things like Ubuntu Server and the various supplementary editions exist.

I'll admit that Unity is not fully baked, but least they're trying, as opposed to aping the taskbar/start-menu that's been a standard of Linux distros since we dumped twm and olvwm and started using fvwm hacks that looked like Windows95.

I'd like to see Unity's rough edges filed down: managing multiple desktops and windows still seems kludgy (next to GNOME3, so much so that I find myself slapping the Windows key in Windows and getting annoyed that it brings up the start menu) and there's some inelegancy and integration problems (Thunderbird doesn't seem to be well-integrated, the global menu bar and window controls are hard to hit, the supporting apps are glitchy), but I can see the destination.

None of this precludes "serious computer users" from installing KDE, LXDE, GNOME2 or whatever. Or, you know, switching to Arch, Mint FreeBSD, Debian or such. It's not like you're locked in.

Argumentum ad novitatem (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37774652)

I'm getting bored of this invalid argument, and developers and fanbois attempting to discredit me as a ludite.

I've got specific reasons why I hate Gnome-shell, and Unity, and that it's a permanent state of affairs. Not just because they're new.
1. Discoverability. Without a hierarchical menu, I can't at a glance see what's installed on the machine.
2. They break existing workflows in ways that will not be replaced by more efficient ones, even after relearning. It's simply more mouse mileage, which is not something I want from a GUI.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (1)

Tarlus (1000874) | about 2 years ago | (#37774888)

I thought the same thing and spent some time with it when 11.04 was released. I'm always interested in taking new UI ideas for a spin but decided that Unity was so stifling, buggy and limited in functionality that I yearned for a Windows UI by the end of it.

Hello, XFCE.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (1)

PenisLands (930247) | about 2 years ago | (#37775538)

You have a small rod.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (1)

Frenzied Apathy (2473340) | more than 2 years ago | (#37774142)

As a Windows user going to Ubuntu for the first time (with v.11.04) I liked the Unity interface. It felt very familiar and was easy to pick up. I'm not saying it's "better" than whatever UI it replaced, because as I said Unity was my first experience with Linux, but I like Unity, personally.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (1)

eddy the lip (20794) | about 2 years ago | (#37774706)

I'm a long time linux user, and I like Unity, too. I can point to a couple of annoyances, but it's early days. I'm very happy to be done with running the mouse maze with those main menus.

There are a few things I wanted to customize when I first saw it, couldn't, so I learned to work with them and it really wasn't a big deal. Some don't care for it, and that's fine. Welcome to linux, where Sturm and Drang are your first cousins.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (1)

Knuckles (8964) | about 2 years ago | (#37775466)

I've used October Gnome (!), KDE 1.0 before that, and fvwm2 even before that. And I, too, like Unity.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37774436)

Open ubuntu software central and install gnome. The "classic desktop" will be an option on the login screen. Once you select it for the first time it will become your default desktop.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (1)

asv108 (141455) | more than 2 years ago | (#37774450)

Linux is about choices, you have root and are free to customize as you see fit or go to another distro. (there are plenty that support vanilla GNOME and KDE Desktops) The move Ubuntu is making here is smart. Its about ease of use and design.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (1)

itof500 (239202) | about 2 years ago | (#37774894)

Yes. I'm an old Common Desktop Environment guy from the Dec Alpha days. I always configure my desktop to look like that. Unity is very different. I understand the utility of the side/vertical icons for the common wide screen monitors many of us use. However, I don't understand the fiat that we cannot configure it how we want.

So, yes. Looking for another home os. How is Fedora these days?

Duke out

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (1)

JonJ (907502) | about 2 years ago | (#37775420)

How is Fedora these days?

Running GNOME 3, which is worse/shit. Alternatively you can use a poorly optimized KDE version on which will lag for no apparent reason.

There is a way to not use Unity (1)

Quantum_Infinity (2038086) | about 2 years ago | (#37774932)

You don't have to use Unity in the latest version if you don't want to. You can do 'sudo apt-get install gnome-fallback-session' which will give you classic Gnome 2 session. Just select 'Gnome Classic' at the time of login.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | about 2 years ago | (#37775002)

Agree totally.

I've been using Ubuntu since 5.04, and it's been my only exposure to Linux on the desktop. I have since bought a NAS that runs debian. I only shell into it, so I would never have been comfortable buying it if it wasn't for my desktop experience with Ubuntu.

Now, I just installed Ubuntu 11.10 on a Acer Aspire Revo 3700 and have it running XBMC. I can't figure out how to run XBMC automatically upon automatic login. So when I reboot the system I need a mouse to start XBMC. (It's otherwise controlled with my universal remote -- And I don't want to add a macro to the remote as my kids may screw things up.))

My guess is I'll switch over to Debian running KDE, since Gnome 3 has given up on the standard Gnome desktop as well.

Any other thoughts? Whatever I use, I would like some comfort in knowing the project will exist for a couple years or so.

Ubuntu doesn't force you to use ANY desktop (2)

Mike (1172) | about 2 years ago | (#37775214)

I'm running the most recent Ubuntu, but I'm running a combination of E16 (Enlightenment) and Gnome2, a.k.a. e16-gnome. Unity is just the default; you're certainly not forced to use it.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (1)

shish (588640) | about 2 years ago | (#37775216)

It may be great, it may be awesome, it may be the next big thing. But it's not for me.

So don't use it? Linux noobs were complaining for years about how there were too many desktops to choose from, and they're all still there :-/

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (1)

Knuckles (8964) | about 2 years ago | (#37775388)

You do know that it's the Gnome project who discontinued Gnome 2, right? So for Ubuntu the option was to go with Gnome 3 (which has "icons down the side" as well) or do their own desktop shell (which they did with Unity). Kubuntu and Lubuntu exist for those who don't want Gnome, anyway. So, I think that your rant was misdirected.

Re:Nice distro but they messed up the desktop (1)

Knuckles (8964) | about 2 years ago | (#37775406)

And Xubuntu as well.

Popularity (0, Troll)

TechLA (2482532) | more than 2 years ago | (#37773686)

popularize ... the Linux desktop

According to StatCounter [wikipedia.org] , Linux has a market share of 0.75%.

In comparison:
Windows: 85.00%
Mac OSX: 6.32%
iOS: 2.36%
Symbian: 2.15%
Android: 1.48%
GNU Linux: 0.75%
BlackBerry OS: 0.73%

I wouldn't call it popular just yet... Besides, I think Red Hat based distros like Fedora are much better than those based on Debian, and are the ones that should be introduced to new users. Fedora is way better than Ubuntu.

On another interesting note, it seems like Windows 7 just surpassed WinXP [statcounter.com] as the most popular OS, they're both holding around 40% market share. So yeah, Linux still needs some work, considering Windows 7 got there in just two years and XP was a hugely popular OS..

Re:Popularity (3, Funny)

siddesu (698447) | more than 2 years ago | (#37773742)

considering Windows 7 got there in just two years and XP was a hugely popular OS

Excellent trolling, I salute you.

Re:Popularity (2)

Tarlus (1000874) | about 2 years ago | (#37774944)

I don't think you know what "trolling" means.

Re:Popularity (1)

Kjella (173770) | about 2 years ago | (#37775250)

Well, trolling with a good dose of truth because when Vista was awful and Ubuntu was good so like 2007-2008, one of the explanations why YotLD didn't come was that people were too stuck on XP. Even Vista couldn't compete against its previous incarnation. Then there comes a new Windows that's actually good and it shows, hey people will move. (Written on a Win7 machine after 3.5 years on Kubuntu, FWIW)

Windows NT 6.1 runs NT 6.0 drivers (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37773880)

So yeah, Linux still needs some work, considering Windows 7 got there in just two years and XP was a hugely popular OS

Windows 7 also had the hardware support advantage of being able to run all Windows Vista drivers. So perhaps we should consider Windows Vista (NT 6.0) and Windows 7 (NT 6.1) as two minor versions of the same product. Furthermore, Windows has the advantage of more third-party application developers testing their applications in Windows than in Wine.

Re:Popularity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37773948)

Android is Linux. Also, that's the client-end of the spectrum (taken from user-agent stats) let's reverse that around and see what the server is using and see what happens.

Re:Popularity (1)

cshark (673578) | about 2 years ago | (#37774714)

Yeah, but then any argument about Linux being unpopular becomes silly.
Let him have the client argument.

Re:Popularity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37774400)

I think Red Hat based distros like Fedora are much better than those based on Debian, and are the ones that should be introduced to new users. Fedora is way better than Ubuntu.

I agree, and apparently so do about 30 million other Fedora users (as opposed to Ubuntu's 15 million). Fedora is by far the most widely-used Linux distro; it just doesn't get all the publicity that Ubuntu gets. We Fedora users tend to just quietly go about getting our work done.

Re:Popularity (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#37775248)

RHEL is way more popular than either, probably CENTOS is too. Walk into a server room sometime kids.

Re:Popularity (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#37775068)

TechLA, go make yourself a new account that one will soon be ruined. Nice to see you are just a troll not a shill as I had though.

That is based on web browsers, go look in a server room sometime.

Memories (1)

LanMan04 (790429) | more than 2 years ago | (#37773714)

I remember getting my free Ubuntu discs in the mail in late 2004 (you could request them on the website). Gave them out to friends.

Good times!

Re:Memories (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37773934)

Wow, gramps...thank god we have the internet now.

Re:Memories (2)

nightcats (1114677) | more than 2 years ago | (#37774220)

I still have several lying around, beginning with 5.04 (hedgehog? I get the critters confused). I'm sure there are lots of geeks who look down their noses at it, but for this non-geek/para-geek, it was a tremendous learning experience. After just a few months with ubuntu and the shell, I was suddenly understanding some of what the architects and admins were talking about in meetings at work, and they noticed too. And I was eventually making smarter choices (and non-choices) on all the tech consumer shit that's been flooding the market this decade. If I were teaching tech in a middle school or high school setting I'd create a linux network in a classroom and introduce them to tech that asks a little more of them than slide-n-poke. The corporations in particular and the collective overall want us to experience tech in as superficial a way as possible; I think linux could offer kids a chance to overcome that conditioning. I always had the feeling that was part of ubuntu's mission, if you will: to offer a deeper and more rounded and intelligent experience of tech than the proprietary gods want us to have.

Re:Memories (1)

LanMan04 (790429) | more than 2 years ago | (#37774308)

Ubuntu: The power of apt-get without having to deal with Debian.

HOORAY!

Re:Memories (1)

elfprince13 (1521333) | about 2 years ago | (#37774728)

Damn. In 2004 I still thought Mandrake/Mandriva was hot shit. I don't think I used Ubuntu until Breezy or Dapper.

Does this make anyone else... (1)

MrNemesis (587188) | more than 2 years ago | (#37773726)

...feel incredibly old?! My first experience with ubuntu was when the girlfriend at the time asked me to install it for her cos she thought it looked cool, sometime back in 2005/2006. Of course, I'm back with Debian now...

Re:Does this make anyone else... (0)

A12m0v (1315511) | more than 2 years ago | (#37773908)

girlfriend? you are not fooling anyone

Re:Does this make anyone else... (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37774124)

Yeah he really meant the cousin who gets creeped out by him since he's constantly starting at her tits. Unfortunately she didn't have anyone else to go to.

Congratulations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37773820)

I can't wait to see it go through puberty!

Happy birthday, Ubuntu! (1)

DangerOnTheRanger (2373156) | more than 2 years ago | (#37773922)

My first experience with Ubuntu was back in 2009, when I tried out Jaunty Jackalope inside of VirtualBox just for kicks. Soon, I installed Wubi, and my fascination with Ubuntu only grew from there.
Happy 7th birthday, Ubuntu! I hope your future birthdays come in even more successful years :)

P.S: I actually like Unity - I never have to touch the mouse to get my work done now.

Re:Happy birthday, Ubuntu! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37774080)

Ah, seven years of Ubuntu. Seven years of Debian fanatics bitching and whining because they never had the idea to simplify their distro for the masses!

Well, okay, I'll admit that's not entirely true.

They most likely DID have the idea, several times, by several people and groups, but if they did, it was stubbornly shouted down repeatedly for not being "The Debian Way(tm)" or some such nonsense. At any rate, happy birthday, Ubuntu!

Why not focus on quality instead of major revs? (1)

Renegade Iconoclast (1415775) | more than 2 years ago | (#37773942)

In 7 years the dev team has put out 11 versions of Ubuntu. I got tired of the rat race. Every kernel broke my video driver, and every major revision broke some other software. I always had problems with compiz, and when I turned it off, I had other problems. I finally gave up when I installed 11 (from scratch) and faced the black screen of death on my first boot, and the solutions I found online didn't work. I tried CentOS but it wasn't compatible with about half the software I wanted to run. It seems like Ubuntu is the go-to distro for most packages, so can't they stick to a version for more than a year?

Re:Why not focus on quality instead of major revs? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37774076)

That's what the LTS version is for.

Re:Why not focus on quality instead of major revs? (2)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#37774288)

Yeah the LTS is great until you hit the point of having to upgrade to a non-LTS since you can't even get the latest version of Firefox anymore. And before you say "but ppas!" if one had to install ppas on an LTS that sort of defeats the point.

Re:Why not focus on quality instead of major revs? (1)

ender- (42944) | about 2 years ago | (#37774722)

Yeah the LTS is great until you hit the point of having to upgrade to a non-LTS since you can't even get the latest version of Firefox anymore. And before you say "but ppas!" if one had to install ppas on an LTS that sort of defeats the point.

So, you bitch because Ubuntu changes too much/too often. But when given a solution which remains stable for a reasonably long period of time, you bitch because it doesn't change enough? Dare I ask what it is you're actually expecting that isn't possible with Ubuntu? You can have a stable [from release changes] OS and pick the pieces you want to be newer/bleeding edge, or not as you like. What's the problem there?

Re:Why not focus on quality instead of major revs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37775058)

Are you dumb? that's the point of LTS. How can you have stability if you keep changing the software all the time? You can't have it both ways.

Re:Why not focus on quality instead of major revs? (1)

heypete (60671) | about 2 years ago | (#37775230)

*shrugs* LTS releases are meant to be stable.

In general, they should only get security and bug fixes, with updates not delivering new features (like a change in UI, as happened with Firefox).

PPAs exist for adding new features where desired. I use 10.04 LTS with the firefox-stable and pidgin PPAs, as well as the private repos for Dropbox and Google Chrome.

My OS is stable for several years, upgrades between LTS releases are well-supported, and I have modern versions of software that I choose. Seems like all-around win for me.

Re:Why not focus on quality instead of major revs? (1)

Unoriginal_Nickname (1248894) | more than 2 years ago | (#37774270)

Really.

For the past two versions of Ubuntu I have had issues with mouse focus and clicks on my desktop. It's due to a bug that was first reported and confirmed in 2006, but nobody has ever given enough of a shit to fix it.

If I'm stuck with patching and compiling xorg, why am I running Ubuntu? I might as well just run Gentoo. Better yet, I might as well run OSX or Windows, where I know I will never have a problem this stupid.

Re:Why not focus on quality instead of major revs? (1)

elfprince13 (1521333) | about 2 years ago | (#37774620)

Yes. They can. It's called "LTS"

Re:Why not focus on quality instead of major revs? (1)

javanree (962432) | about 2 years ago | (#37775010)

It SHOULD have been... unfortunately they don't care about the quality of an LTS release anymore than they do of a normal release. Another big reason for switching every machine I can over to a proper enterprise class distro, Scientific Linux in my case.

Re:Why not focus on quality instead of major revs? (1)

elfprince13 (1521333) | about 2 years ago | (#37775410)

But Desktop "LTS" receives upgrades for 3 years, and Server receives upgrades for 5. So yes, they care, because they want market share. I like to stay on the cutting edge, but for people I set up with Linux, I always give them an LTS release, because it turns out to be lower maintenance for me to support them.

What is up with init.d (1)

sgt scrub (869860) | more than 2 years ago | (#37774156)

I'm more of a Debian user myself. My laptops have Ubuntu on them, though Unity doesn't live on them. My media center, servers, and personal desktop are still on Debian. I like the idea of moving X into user space but not having an xorg.conf file in X11/ throws me for a spin. I'm probably too accustomed to doing things myself. The changes to init, however, are a real pita. I don't understand why they feel the need to change something so fundamental to Unix users. Not that I want to start a BSD vs SystemV war, init.d has never been a bad thing.

Xubuntu (1)

bigredradio (631970) | more than 2 years ago | (#37774170)

As a stable server-class OS, I think Ubuntu is not quite ready for the enterprise. However, as a desktop OS, it blows RedHat and SuSE out of the water. I have been a Xubuntu user for years. I used to switch distros about every 6 months. That ended once I tried Xubuntu. I just keep upgrading.

Re:Xubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37774578)

Fedora blows Ubuntu out of the water.

Re:Xubuntu (1)

JonJ (907502) | about 2 years ago | (#37775508)

Fedora blows

Fixed it for you.

Ubuntu has has two lifes (1)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | more than 2 years ago | (#37774368)

Ubuntu was a great Linux system, now it's more of a bulky slow running system. I switched from Gentoo to Ubuntu on about the 6.00 release and from the 10.00 release on I switched back to Gentoo. Before release 10, Ubuntu was a nicely trimmed and clean look system, after release 10 they've played with the desktop to much and taken a polished system into a rather ugly bloated system.

This is right on par with bringing Linux to the user base of Windows, Windows user don't want a clean cut and slim experience, they want it to look overly cluttered and a right mess for the eyes. I agree in the last 7 years Ubuntu has really opened up Linux to the user and has opened the other distributions to Linux users.

For what Ubuntu has managed to do for Linux, it is an amazing feat.

Re:Ubuntu has has two lifes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37774518)

Windows user don't want a clean cut and slim experience, they want it to look overly cluttered and a right mess for the eyes.

Wow what a ridiculous stereotype. Most windows users I know hate the new unity desktop (myself included).

Re:Ubuntu has has two lifes (1)

Requiem18th (742389) | about 2 years ago | (#37775548)

Actually they want the iPad user base, their response to the issue that they are alienating their users is that they need better users, which is despairing.

This is something that started happening since they started replacing the standard notification area with their "Indicator Applet" and which I identified when they changed the position of the window buttons. Basically, where they put the window buttons wasn't as important as the fact that they didn't care what the users tough about it, if the users didn't like it, the users were the problem.

That might be within Canonical's rights, but that doesn't mean it's not despairing for the current Linux user base.

Die Unity Die! (1)

BrendaEM (871664) | more than 2 years ago | (#37774424)

Ubuntu has stripped away and hidden key user functionality for the sake of looks. The UI hides key menus, such as: File, Edit... in Nautilus, so that those menus are invisible. Users cannot even make launcher icons without the command line!

Unity attempts to replace Gnome with something else which cannot function without Gnome's libraries. At the same time if Gnome desktop is not used, and maintained, then that will die.

Using Unity is like a shiny turd that you cut your hands on.

I recommend that if Ubuntu does not rid their distro of Unity, then I suggest that it be boycotted.

Re:Die Unity Die! (1)

sakdoctor (1087155) | about 2 years ago | (#37774978)

Unity is a turd. Maybe with enough polish, it will become a dorodango [wikipedia.org]

Happy birthday Ubuntu! (1)

cheap.computer (1036494) | about 2 years ago | (#37774608)

We should all be happy that there is an opensource operating system and it has not only survived but thrived in this competitive world, propitiatory software companies continue to use their muscle and power to block the growth of opensource operating systems. So, long live open source and long live Ubuntu. I have been using debian since around 1998, I have used knoppix for a little bit, but switched to Ubuntu when they made their initial release Warty. Ubuntu has evolved over the years, not just the desktop but also on servers, cloud, juju charms etc. And on online services like Ubuntuone file sharing and music. Supports multiple architectures, and has a great open source community participation. It takes a little unlearning to start liking Unity, in 11.04 I often switched to Classic Gnome, but since I installed 11.10 I realized what I have been missing all along. You can drive the entire desktop without touching your mouse! For a programmer like me that is a blessing. I can understand that Unity 3D can be a drag on some older laptops but Unity 2D probably will do the job. If you really have issues with broken packages and unsupported hardware please report a bug, reporting bug is so easy it is done automatically when a crash is detected or you can manually file it from command line using 'ubuntu-bug'.

Re:Happy birthday Ubuntu! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37774784)

...opensource operating system and it has not only survived but thrived in this competitive world, propitiatory software comapnies..

You may want to read the Free Software Foundation's philosophy section. More specifically why the term 'open source' misses the point of freedom. It would be vastly better for all of us if you called it a 'free operating system', where free means 'libre' or 'free as in freedom'.

As for propitiatory, I have no idea what this word is. Have you made a pun of some sort?

Typically non-freedom-respecting software is called proprietary software.

Yup, they've done some amazing work. (1)

sootman (158191) | about 2 years ago | (#37774672)

It's pretty fantastic. And I'm holding on to my several-versions-old CD, from just before they messed it all up.

Re:Yup, they've done some amazing work. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37775174)

too bad that the 6.10 package repositories are borked and you have to use untrusted solutions for that...

7 year anniversary, today. (1)

maclizard (1029814) | about 2 years ago | (#37774678)

Wow, I got married the same day Ubuntu was born. Awesome.

Re:7 year anniversary, today. (1)

CarsonChittom (2025388) | about 2 years ago | (#37775422)

Marriages between operating systems and people aren't legal in most jurisdictions.

Re:7 year anniversary, today. (1)

Wandering Voice (2267950) | about 2 years ago | (#37775432)

Congratulations, Maclizard. Here's to many more years for you!

Too bad they jumped the shark (1)

Brad1138 (590148) | about 2 years ago | (#37774828)

I loved Ubuntu, been using it since 6.06, but I dislike Unity a lot. Just switched to Mint and am happy again.

Alternatives to Ubuntu (1)

BrendaEM (871664) | about 2 years ago | (#37774866)

After posting my Die Unity Die comment, I've been looking at other distros. I left Fedora some years ago, and I think that I am going to leave Ubuntu.
It's like as soon as Mark Shuttleworth left, it went bad. What remains is a businessperson who pushed the commercial side of things.

I'm looking at Mint, but I like apt.
I tried Debian, but video drivers are a mess, and the sudoers is just a neeedless PITA on a single-user use of a Linux.

Please, someone pick up the torch for Ubuntu seems to have dropped it.

Re:Alternatives to Ubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37775242)

After posting my Die Unity Die comment, I've been looking at other distros. I left Fedora some years ago, and I think that I am going to leave Ubuntu.
It's like as soon as Mark Shuttleworth left, it went bad. What remains is a businessperson who pushed the commercial side of things.

I'm looking at Mint, but I like apt.
I tried Debian, but video drivers are a mess, and the sudoers is just a neeedless PITA on a single-user use of a Linux.

Please, someone pick up the torch for Ubuntu seems to have dropped it.

Mint uses apt.

Re:Alternatives to Ubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37775282)

Try Kubuntu. It's Ubuntu, with Unity replaced by a powerful, customizable desktop. And you get to keep apt, and it's still easy to install video drivers.

Happy birthday Ubuntu (1)

monkeyhybrid (1677192) | about 2 years ago | (#37774876)

I've been using various Linux distros for around 15 years or so. My first proper job introduced me to UNIX (Solaris and HP-UX) and I remember even now the excitement of discovering and learning how the UNIX model worked, wishing I had something similar on my home PC. Within a few weeks, I'd scrubbed DOS and Windows 3.1 from my home PC's hard drive and was up and running with Slackware, installed from numerous 3.5" floppies. As time went by I experimented with other distros, namely Redhat and Suse (which I actually paid for boxed versions of!) and grew to love Linux even more. I can't quite remember why I first moved to using Ubuntu when it came out but have a feeling it was because I was impressed with how slick it was, installing on my laptop of that time without any fuss. I've had no reason to look elsewhere for many years now (on the desktop that is, I still use CentOS on my web server).

Ubuntu and Use (1)

CFBMoo1 (157453) | about 2 years ago | (#37774946)

I've been using Ubuntu for a while now on my laptop and on my Desktop. They currently run the 10.4 LTS version which is Gnome 2.x so I have a third system (netbook) which I play around with the new Unity releases on since Unity is geared for that stuff. I have to say that I enjoyed the flexibility of the original Netbook Edition then the spawn which is Unity it fostered. That offered more control over how things looked then the current Unity does. I installed KDE and XFCE from the package manager today on my systems, I'm now trying to determine which flavor I want to jump to from the main Ubuntu branch since Unity is going to be the new way of things.

Side note, I sure as hell am not going back to Windows full time especially after I saw that Microsoft was pulling a Unity with Windows 8 by slapping the Windows Phone 7 interface on it and calling it the future. Seriously developers, if you want do build something for tablets and phones then STICK with tablets and phones and stay off my desktop OS's. I'm not forking over an arm and a leg for touch screens to get crudded up as badly as my cheap keyboards and mice do.

no thanks (1)

doodzed (35795) | about 2 years ago | (#37775188)

I understand that people like ubuntu but it is not really helping linux. I upgraded my box to 11.04 over the past two days from a much older release and around 10.04 got hit with a bug because grub was not updated. This was a well known bug that was spotted in testing and never got fixed. It is not the first time something like this has happened. Frequently updates will bork settings or a function like sound. It has gotten so bad that a non-profit I help out at will not run any updates unless I am there.

Usually a google search and some command line will fix things but this is not how you spread linux. The ubuntu community really needs to get better about making sure that updates/upgrades work. They continue to do good hard work and it is a shame that the work is undermined by stupid bugs that are known but never fixed.

Ubuntu Memory Use Has Doubled! (1)

BrendaEM (871664) | about 2 years ago | (#37775342)

And for what? A User interface very few people want?
Unity: A mistake not admitted.

To All of the Unity Haters (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37775374)

If you don't like Unity and you want a user experience similar to what you've used in the past, check out Xubuntu. It uses the XFCE4 desktop environment and after about 5mins of tweaking is almost indistinguishable from the Gnome 2 that we know and love. Linux Mint XFCE Edition is another good candidate.

Seriously though, if you don't like it, change it. This is Linux, no one is forcing you to use anything.

Does anyone like 7 year olds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37775540)

7 years ago Linux felt really adventurous. Programs were getting incremental updates that mattered every few months. Being a Mac user back then (iBook G3) meant that if I wanted any of the latest features I had to use Gentoo (since Yellow Dog Linux was so out of date and Yum sucked).

Then a brown and yellow hero rose out of South Africa, and Ubuntu rescued me from all the upgrading and compiling and configuring that Gentoo was. Ubuntu was the bees knees.

Now, 7 years later it's Ubuntu that requires frequent upgrading, compiling and configuring. I spent hours getting my touchpad to work again after the upgrade and hours more fighting Unity and then Gnome3 Shell before finally embracing XFCE.

The new interface is fine if you're just browsing, youtubing and chatting, but I multi task and need my DE/Window Manager to be less fullscreen oriented.

I'll still recommend Ubuntu for Linux noobies and relatives though since their use case is different and they probably won't bother trying to upgrade stuff anyways.

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