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Reuters Reports Death of Gaddafi In Libyan City of Sirte

timothy posted about 3 years ago | from the now-you-can-spell-his-name-however-you-want dept.

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syngularyx writes with a snippet from Reuters' report that "Former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi died of wounds suffered on Thursday as fighters battling to complete an eight-month-old uprising against his rule overran his hometown Sirte, Libya's interim rulers said. His killing, which came swiftly after his capture near Sirte, is the most dramatic single development in the Arab Spring revolts that have unseated rulers in Egypt and Tunisia and threatened the grip on power of the leaders of Syria and Yemen." An anonymous reader links to the news as reported by Al Jazeera (citing confirmation from the military spokesman of the National Transition Council). Time reports that many Libyans were celebrating even preliminary reports of Gaddafi's death.

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I'm gonna wait: (3, Insightful)

Hartree (191324) | about 3 years ago | (#37774134)

Is this as reliable as when they captured his son and he showed up on TV soon after?

I think they've supposedly killed Kamis a couple of times. Resilient young man, that one.

Re:I'm gonna wait: (5, Informative)

Xest (935314) | about 3 years ago | (#37774342)

Well judging by the fact the BBC just posted a still from a live feed from Al Jazeera which shows someone who looks pretty much like Gaddafi being dragged through the street I'd say it's pretty much more reliable. It's further bolstered by the fact the kid who supposedly found him was shown waving round a gold plated desert eagle or similar. I doubt that's the type of expensive custom side arm that's just left lying around.

Unless Gaddafi is capable of coming back from the dead I think there's a fair chance he's gone.

Kamis is long dead, even Gaddafi's own Syrian based TV station accepted that.

Re:I'm gonna wait: (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37774482)

Yeah, and infamous leaders have never had doubles.

Re:I'm gonna wait: (1)

Moryath (553296) | about 3 years ago | (#37774936)

Very true.

Of course, there's also the theory (before he was finally killed, and in conspiracy theory circles still going on since nobody saw the body really prior to the abrupt "burial at sea") that Osama bin Laden had been killed years earlier and that the various radio broadcasts - note that after a certain date there were no more videos, just audio - were the work either of canny computer splicing or a simple voice-actor double.

Which reminds me... seen Elvis lately? Word is he's lost 100 lbs and was at Disney last week ;)

Re:I'm gonna wait: (1)

SomePgmr (2021234) | about 3 years ago | (#37775092)

You mean there could be TWO of Gaddafi?! I can't even imagine how hard it would be to find a passable look-alike that can also play a convincing "Liberace-fabulous dictator".

Re:I'm gonna wait: (1)

pixelpusher220 (529617) | about 3 years ago | (#37774536)

The important question...anybody seen Seal Team Six lately? ;-)

Re:I'm gonna wait: (3, Informative)

chill (34294) | about 3 years ago | (#37774564)

Yeah...spread all over an Afghan hillside [huffingtonpost.com] , unfortunately.

Re:I'm gonna wait: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37775218)

Country leaders has been known to keep body doubles around.

reports wrong (2)

Thud457 (234763) | about 3 years ago | (#37774150)

Actually, it was Tito Jackson.

BSD IS DYING (1)

xeeno (313431) | about 3 years ago | (#37774700)

According to Al Jazeera.

First Kill (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37774152)

First Kill

Netcraft... (1, Redundant)

idontgno (624372) | about 3 years ago | (#37774164)

or it didn't happen.

Congratulations, citizens of NATO countries! (0, Troll)

Hazel Bergeron (2015538) | about 3 years ago | (#37774174)

You've let your government destroy lives and waste money sponsoring another pointless war to serve the interests of a powerful few.

Mission accomplished. Let the pillaging begin!

Re:Congratulations, citizens of NATO countries! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37774250)

You need to get your tinfoil hat resized: it's cutting off the circulation to your brain.

Down with tyrants, that's what I always say.

Re:Congratulations, citizens of NATO countries! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37774994)

Down with tyrants, that's what I always say.

Now if the CIA would stop putting them in power, we could call this progress.

Re:Congratulations, citizens of NATO countries! (1)

Deus.1.01 (946808) | about 3 years ago | (#37774268)

You just described Gadaffi's nepotistic regime to a tee.

Re:Congratulations, citizens of NATO countries! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37774516)

Frankly Hazel my dear, if taking out bastards like Gadaffi is a mission for NATO then long live NATO. You liberal idiots who always whine about any military action while implicitly supporting the likes of Gaddaffi are the ones who make the world a bad place.

Here is some news to you: Not all people are good. Some of them deserve what they get.

Re:Congratulations, citizens of NATO countries! (3, Informative)

Xest (935314) | about 3 years ago | (#37774958)

Hey, don't generalise against liberals. I'm a liberal and I agree with you minus the anti-liberal stuff.

The problem isn't liberals, it's just that some people whatever their political leaning are complete idiots. Look at Sarah Palin, it sure as hell aint because she's a liberal that she's so stupid.

Re:Congratulations, citizens of NATO countries! (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#37774984)

Dear AC, go fuck yourself. This gun toting meat eating liberal says we should have dealt with Gadaffi years ago. We should be helping Liberia as well and dealing with the LRA. We should pay for all this by getting the hell out of Afghanistan, except for the civilized regions of it. Let the hicks have their caves.

Re:Congratulations, citizens of NATO countries! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37775182)

Frankly Hazel my dear, if taking out bastards like Gadaffi is a mission for NATO then long live NATO. You liberal idiots who always whine about any military action while implicitly supporting the likes of Gaddaffi are the ones who make the world a bad place.

Here is some news to you: Not all people are good. Some of them deserve what they get.

Not that I disagree with you, but it's a little hypocritical. The US put Ghaddafi in power.
Set 'em up, knock 'em down. It's like 10 pin. The trick is to install another puppet tyrant in such a way that the US can say that they brought in democracy, and then take him out when he does something real bad, or refuses to toe the party line.
Remember, Ghadaffi was their boy until he stopped playing ball. I used to just hate listening to Hillary, the bullshit flows off her lips like water off a duck. I feel that way about Obama now. He has lost all my respect.

Re:Congratulations, citizens of NATO countries! (2, Insightful)

Xest (935314) | about 3 years ago | (#37774494)

Sorry you must be confused. The thread about Saddam's capture was posted back in 2003 or so. This is the one about Libya and Gaddafi.

Wait, don't tell me you actually believe a grass-roots revolution led by the poor to topple an authoritarian leadership and it's elite minority is somehow sponsoring the interests of the powerful few?

Or perhaps you subscribe to hypocritical Russian politics where attacking a foreign sovereign state is always bad. Well, unless it's Georgia.

Or are you one of those dumb conspiracy theorists who thinks this was about oil or something?

The only self interest for the respective NATO countries involved in this was prevention of mass immigration to Europe if Gaddafi continued to make things worse in his country, but mostly this was the first bout of military action in a long while that was actually meaningful, just, and most importantly - succesful.

Re:Congratulations, citizens of NATO countries! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37774570)

Sir you are a fool. Libya had some of the best healthcare and schooling in Africa. The reason the west lies about the régime is that for every westerner employed in the oil industry, the company had to employ a fucking Libyan too, who did Gadaffi think he was, trying to improve the lives of the people

Re:Congratulations, citizens of NATO countries! (1)

Deus.1.01 (946808) | about 3 years ago | (#37774698)

Right because those goods were provided to EVERYONE!

Re:Congratulations, citizens of NATO countries! (5, Insightful)

shilly (142940) | about 3 years ago | (#37774788)

Look, Gaddafi was a complex and strange man, and there can be no doubt that he did some things for his own people and others that other, more straightforwardly venal Arab dictators, did not do. But: an entire nation was scared to criticise him for 42 years; he killed thousands of his own people in the most vicious and terrible ways; and he punished entire cities and regions whose support he thought he did not have fully. Net net, he was a vile and terrible dictator.

Re:Congratulations, citizens of NATO countries! (2)

Xest (935314) | about 3 years ago | (#37774920)

Yeah, that's why the majority of Libyans were happy to step up and overthrow him.

Or are you going to extend your conspiracy theory into suggesting the west has succesfully manipulated the thoughts of an entire nation and they couldn't possibly have come to the conclusion they wanted rid all by themselves?

The people decided they wanted rid long before NATO stepped in, the only reason they failed to that point is because Gaddafi was bringing in foreign mercenairies and using overwhelming military force against the majority of civilians who wanted rid.

There's a good reason cities as massive as Tripoli fell against Gaddafi so quickly once the military threat vanished - because no one wanted him.

Re:Congratulations, citizens of NATO countries! (2, Insightful)

mvar (1386987) | about 3 years ago | (#37774742)

The only self interest for the respective NATO countries involved in this was prevention of mass immigration to Europe if Gaddafi continued to make things worse in his country, but mostly this was the first bout of military action in a long while that was actually meaningful, just, and most importantly - succesful.

Errr, well, no. Europe and especially France & Italy are very dependent on Libyan oil. It's not like one day the Europeans woke up and discovered that there's a dictatorship in Libya and some people are revolting against it. If not all, at least most European leaders (Tony Blair, Sarkozy, Berlusconi etc) have shaked hands with Gaddafi in the past in good spirit (just google it). And Europe's relationship with Libya was in good terms until 1 year ago. So, the matters in Libya are way more complicated than they seem (or than some mass media let us see them) and one must be really naive to think that this is just about some poor people revolting against an oppressing regime.

Re:Congratulations, citizens of NATO countries! (3, Insightful)

Xest (935314) | about 3 years ago | (#37774826)

Right, so dependent on it that since action in Libya European oil prices have actually largely stabilised rather than increased as would be the case if it was such an important source?

It's nothing to do with the fact European leaders waking up and realising he was a bad man, they knew this all along. It was about the fact the Libyan people and Arab/Middle Eastern people in general were ready to rise up, that was the fundamental turning point. Apparently you missed that rather major section in the news for the last 9 months+

Re:Congratulations, citizens of NATO countries! (2, Informative)

mvar (1386987) | about 3 years ago | (#37775164)

Allow me to not take the "news" as *facts*. My logic says that some powerful countries like France & Italy didn't agree with some of Gaddafi's oil policies so they helped the local population overthrow him. I'm not saying that Gaddafi wasn't a dictator and he didn't deserve to be hanged. But thanking NATO for its actions in Libya is hypocrisy at large - If the NATO countries really cared for the Libyan people then they would have killed that asshole DECADES ago. Oh and regarding the "mass immigration" to Europe, actually most of Europe's African immigrants don't come from Libya but from countries near the equator like Siera Leone, Liberia, Somalia etc (that happen to be in civil war for decades and NATO doesn't give a shit)

So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37774188)

...who is the next Libyan dictator?

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37774814)

Doesn't matter, we'll kill him too.

Do bad he got killed... (1)

Deus.1.01 (946808) | about 3 years ago | (#37774190)

Despotic murderers like him shouldn't be executed...THEY should be put in a fucking ZOO.

(inb4 "News for nerd wtf")

Re:Do bad he got killed... (1)

newcastlejon (1483695) | about 3 years ago | (#37774404)

I'm not usually bloodthirsty but I'd rather they put his head on a pike for all to see. Similar spectacle, but without the expense of keeping him fed.

Re:Do bad he got killed... (1)

chill (34294) | about 3 years ago | (#37774618)

Why not do both [ajc.com] ?

Re:Do bad he got killed... (2)

MalleusEBHC (597600) | about 3 years ago | (#37774902)

Admittedly this is all based on reports that I would only trust to be semi-accurate so far, but it seems pretty clear that he was not executed but was a casualty of war. The last loyalist bastion in Sirte has been home to intense fighting in the past few weeks, and now it's clear why. According to the report, Gaddafi was either killed in a convoy that was hit by a NATO airstrike or by NTC fighters on the street. Unless he was shot while trying to surrender, and I seriously doubt that he would surrender given the ferocity of fighting in Sirte for a clearly lost cause, he was killed in a legitimate military action. As great as it would have been to put him on trial for his crimes, there's often no choice when someone is committed to fighting to the death.

So this is /. related in what way? (0, Troll)

MartijnL (785261) | about 3 years ago | (#37774246)

So how is this tech news?

Re:So this is /. related in what way? (4, Insightful)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about 3 years ago | (#37774408)

So how is this tech news?

Read it again. At no point does it state "Tech news."

"News for nerds. Stuff that matters."

Re:So this is /. related in what way? (1, Insightful)

Pat Attack (1353585) | about 3 years ago | (#37774704)

I was just about to post the same thing. Seriously, If I want world political news, I can go to CNN.

Re:So this is /. related in what way? (0)

X0563511 (793323) | about 3 years ago | (#37774786)

Nobody forced you to open the story. Nobody forced you to read it, nobody forced you to go into the comments, and nobody forced you to post.

Re:So this is /. related in what way? (1)

Tim C (15259) | about 3 years ago | (#37774816)

And if you don't want to read this sort of thing, you don't have to click the link.

This sort of story, when posted here, always generates a large amount of discussion; it would seem that most of the readership approves.

Re:So this is /. related in what way? (1)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | about 3 years ago | (#37775038)

I'm guessing he would have whined about whatever story he clicked on. "Star Wars story AGAIN!" "New robots...stop posting commercial SPAM, homebrew robot stories only please!" etc etc etc. Then again, the whiners are as much a part of this site as anything else. If /. had comments from story 1, story 2 would have had a comment like

"Back in the day (yesterday), we used to get REAL stories. Chips & Dips has gone to hell! I'm out of here, let these retarded three digit users have this crap."

Re:So this is /. related in what way? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37774774)

Great. Who do we want dead next? I thought Bush was the out-of-control cowboy. I thought we were past the era of getting the US into new wars.

Honestly, I see the Middle East becoming much more unified and more of a threat as we replace a bunch of dictators who can't stand each other with like-minded Islamic governments.

Re:So this is /. related in what way? (1)

Moheeheeko (1682914) | about 3 years ago | (#37774990)

Because the USA is TOTALLY the only reason he is dead.

Re:So this is /. related in what way? (4, Insightful)

poity (465672) | about 3 years ago | (#37775112)

but isn't "Stuff that matters" a clarifying explication of "News for nerds"?
in other words, it means to imply that "on this website, Nerd news IS what matters" rather than "on this website, Nerd news, oh and also other stuff that matter just as much"
and in every definition, "Nerd" means a one-track-mind dedicated to technology or other socially-atrophying pursuits
unless of course you redefine (and dilute) the word "Nerd" to encompass every field of interest, but then that would make "Nerd news" indistinguishable from just "news", and make /.'s motto rather banal and lifeless.

now, I'm not saying this news won't give us some very lively conversation, or that I don't appreciate it being here. on the contrary. I guess I'm being pedantic since this excuse always comes up whenever someone makes a point about the mainstream-ification, I guess you could say, of slashdot, and it always strikes me as unconvincing.

Re:So this is /. related in what way? (1)

monzie (729782) | about 3 years ago | (#37774448)

"News for Nerds. Stuff that matters" I guess they think this is the only site we visit.

Re:So this is /. related in what way? (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about 3 years ago | (#37774610)

The value of his rookie card [organicmechanic.org] is going to go through the roof.

Re:So this is /. related in what way? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37774756)

I've made the same complaint when American political news was posted on /. I come to this site for tech news and would rather get my world news, if at all, elsewhere.

It's stories like this one that convinced me to ditch /. as my homepage of 8 years, and I'm closer than ever now to removing it from my RSS feeds. I want NEWS FOR NERDS.

Well, that's it then... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37774260)

Libya can proceed at full pace towards becoming a repressive Islamic repiblic along the Iranian model. I wouldn't like to be a woman there right now.

Re:Well, that's it then... (2, Insightful)

schwit1 (797399) | about 3 years ago | (#37774456)

So true. The Muslim Brotherhood's motto is "Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. The Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope."

To them democracy and Islam can not coexist.

Re:Well, that's it then... (5, Informative)

LanMan04 (790429) | about 3 years ago | (#37774654)

In the words of the MB spokesman:

"We believe that the political reform is the true and natural gateway for all other kinds of reform. We have announced our acceptance of democracy that acknowledges political pluralism, the peaceful rotation of power and the fact that the nation is the source of all powers. As we see it, political reform includes the termination of the state of emergency, restoring public freedoms, including the right to establish political parties, whatever their tendencies may be, and the freedom of the press, freedom of criticism and thought, freedom of peaceful demonstrations, freedom of assembly, etc. It also includes the dismantling of all exceptional courts and the annulment of all exceptional laws, establishing the independence of the judiciary, enabling the judiciary to fully and truly supervise general elections so as to ensure that they authentically express people's will, removing all obstacles that restrict the functioning of civil society organizations, etc."

Definition of "freedom" (2)

Quila (201335) | about 3 years ago | (#37775018)

Within such organizations that is usually limited to what is acceptable under their interpretation of Islam. True freedom to them is the freedom to practice their religion without being offended.

For example, do you really think they would accept "freedom of criticism" directed at Mohammed?

Re:Definition of "freedom" (1)

LanMan04 (790429) | about 3 years ago | (#37775136)

They didn't say freedom, they said democracy. A theocratic state doesn't necessarily have to be a despotic hellhole.

I'm certainly not claiming that MB is all rainbows and secular sunshine, but they don't seem to be a "we want to conquer the West" organization.

Re:Well, that's it then... (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | about 3 years ago | (#37774982)

Which is why the islamic extremists hated America. *NOT* because of our foreign policy. That was a global excuse of justification to recruit additional members from around the world. No, the true reason they attacked the West is because democracy is the antithesis to their belief. You see, the act of democracy and self determination is an act of hubris. That in of itself is punishable by death according to Al-Qaeda.

I do have hopes that the Muslim Brotherhood would be more tolerant...more humble while still having strong faith in God. But, only time will tell.

Re:Well, that's it then... (1)

Beryllium Sphere(tm) (193358) | about 3 years ago | (#37775126)

In that case they would have attacked Iceland.

Re:Well, that's it then... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37774948)

Eh. Keeping your clitoris is overrated, anyway.

Arab spring my ass (-1, Troll)

unity100 (970058) | about 3 years ago | (#37774306)

ALL the 'revolutions' in middle east have 'muslim brotherhood' behind them. an american supported islamist organization. they worked for 10 years in libya for that. they were the main driving force in egypt.

the first thing the libyan 'rebels' did had been to immediately sell the filled gold reserves of libya for dimes, in order to 'pay salaries' (what salary?) and then to immediately start a private central bank.

libya was one of the few countries which was not burdened with international debts on loans taken from imf or other organizations or banks.

same goes for syria. they dont have a central private bank either. their central bank is state owned. aaaand -> voila ! 'request for democracy and freedom'.

arab spring seems to be a shitty operation by u.s. to topple unfriendly governments to install their own islamist supporters and to oblige the countries to financial system.

care to notice why there are no protests in saudi arabia despite it still lives under a rigid aristocratic caste and with middle ages laws ? and how saudi arabia sent military to suppress the protesters in bahrain brutally, and there has been no news of it in western media and u.s. had been silent about it, despite it came out barking at whatever happened in other countries ?

Re:Arab spring my ass (5, Insightful)

murdocj (543661) | about 3 years ago | (#37774376)

arab spring seems to be a shitty operation by u.s. to topple unfriendly governments to install their own islamist supporters and to oblige the countries to financial system.

Right. Which explains why one of the first governments that was overthrown in the "Arab Spring" was Egypt... a staunch US ally that the US had poured many billions of dollars into. Congratulations. You managed to set a new record for cluelessness.

Re:Arab spring my ass (0)

aurelianito (684162) | about 3 years ago | (#37774764)

arab spring seems to be a shitty operation by u.s. to topple unfriendly governments to install their own islamist supporters and to oblige the countries to financial system.

Right. Which explains why one of the first governments that was overthrown in the "Arab Spring" was Egypt... a staunch US ally that the US had poured many billions of dollars into. Congratulations. You managed to set a new record for cluelessness.

I've dated a turkish journalist last summer (southern hemisphere summer). While we were dating, I asked her about the things that were happening in Egypt and who the "muslim brotherhood" are, she said exactly what the GP told you. They are a US intelligence thing or they were heavily infiltrated by them. I asked why would the US overthrow an allied government and she answered that they actually support the Muslim extremists in Turkey too (just a remainder: Turkey is a NATO country). The US does that to have leverage in the local politics.

I think that you (and not the GP) are the one who managed to set a new record for cluelessness.

Re:Arab spring my ass (1)

Sique (173459) | about 3 years ago | (#37774966)

This is just a single woman spreading conspiracy theories. And I know, that hormones can influence rational thought, but to throw away all logic just because some girl tells you strange stuff?
If you were a muslim extremist with a very negative attitude towards the U.S., would you join a movement which is supposedly sponsored by the very same U.S.? If not, who are the actual people the Muslim Brotherhood consists of? American patriots?

Re:Arab spring my ass (1)

murdocj (543661) | about 3 years ago | (#37775044)

Right. I'm sure that I believe this "turkish journalist" can explain why the US spent many billions of dollars to prop up Hosni Mubarak so Egypt would maintain the peace with Israel (another staunch US ally), while SIMULTANEOUSLY backing a Muslin extremist group to overthrow that government. Do you really think the new government is going to be more friendly to the USA than the old? The idea that the Muslim Brotherhood is somehow sponsored by the USA is just bizarre. I'm sure US intelligence is trying to infiltrate them to find out what they are up to, but you (and your girlfriend) have no idea what you are talking about.

Re:Arab spring my ass (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | about 3 years ago | (#37774782)

Don't let the fact that the US supported the prior regime make you think that they were best buddies - the US and Egyptian governments have had huge differences in the past, especially over Israel. Their relationship was more one of convenience than actual friendship - the US would have loved to have seen a better regime come into power in Egypt (whether they got one remains to be seen).

Re:Arab spring my ass (1)

samkass (174571) | about 3 years ago | (#37775212)

Right. Which explains why one of the first governments that was overthrown in the "Arab Spring" was Egypt... a staunch US ally that the US had poured many billions of dollars into. Congratulations. You managed to set a new record for cluelessness.

The Egyptian government has yet to be overthrown. Egypt was ruled by the military before the arab spring, and it's ruled by the military today.

Re:Arab spring my ass (1)

schnikies79 (788746) | about 3 years ago | (#37774378)

I've heard plenty on the news about protest in Saudi Arabia and the government increasing handouts to calm them. It's been on CNN for months.

Re:Arab spring my ass (3, Informative)

iONiUM (530420) | about 3 years ago | (#37774460)

Uh, you do realize that actually the Muslim Brotherhood hates [wikipedia.org] "western culture" and the U.S., right? They have also publicly stated that they would like to wage warfare on the west?

As such, your whole comment doesn't make any sense at all. Maybe it was a terrible troll attempt, I don't know.

Re:Arab spring my ass (1)

LanMan04 (790429) | about 3 years ago | (#37775076)

It says right there on the page you cited that they don't. Quoting from the very first screen (MB spokesman):

"We believe that the political reform is the true and natural gateway for all other kinds of reform. We have announced our acceptance of democracy that acknowledges political pluralism, the peaceful rotation of power and the fact that the nation is the source of all powers. As we see it, political reform includes the termination of the state of emergency, restoring public freedoms, including the right to establish political parties, whatever their tendencies may be, and the freedom of the press, freedom of criticism and thought, freedom of peaceful demonstrations, freedom of assembly, etc. It also includes the dismantling of all exceptional courts and the annulment of all exceptional laws, establishing the independence of the judiciary, enabling the judiciary to fully and truly supervise general elections so as to ensure that they authentically express people's will, removing all obstacles that restrict the functioning of civil society organizations, etc."

Re:Arab spring my ass (1)

chrb (1083577) | about 3 years ago | (#37775202)

Uh, you do realize that actually the Muslim Brotherhood hates [wikipedia.org] "western culture" and the U.S., right?

The issue is much more complex than "hating western culture", though there are some that do. Some hate their own rulers, who crushed any calls for political reform and civil rights with pure violence. Some hate the West because for decades the West was seen as backers of those despotic rulers; the West supplied military aid and weapons to the regimes of dictators, who went on to use those weapons against the people. Would you dislike China if they gave military weaponry to Al-Qaeda, who in turn used this weaponry against U.S. citizens? You would partly blame China for attacks using these weapons, right? And in the same way, there are many who partly blame the West for the injustices they have suffered. But, equally, there are many who recognise that the freedoms and democracy that those in the West have, are the same freedoms that they want for themselves. In particular, the Mu

They have also publicly stated that they would like to wage warfare on the west?

Citation? Their public policy is non-violence, and has been since the beginning. This is a stance that has been criticised by other Islamist groups. Certainly, there have been members of the group that have committed violence, but this is true of any large group of humans.

ROFL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37774630)

an american supported islamist organization

It's all a conspiracy by our secret Muslim president to implement Sharia law around the world.

Re:ROFL (1)

rgbatduke (1231380) | about 3 years ago | (#37775094)

Ah, you mean the part about not loaning money at interest? Yes, he's clearly taken many steps in that direction. Devilish clever, to loan/give huge amounts of money (at interest) to banks so that they can continue to loan massive amounts of that money (at interest) back to believers and unbelievers alike, hoping to cause us to rise up and put an end to usurious lending practices -- it is even working!

Or perhaps you mean the part about homosexual individuals needing to be stoned to death and women kept in de facto bondage as the chattel of the men they belong to. Hillary looks good in a burka, don't you think? Well, better. Oh, wait, that's the Republican party, that appears ready to turn the reins of government over to the Mormon cult, which ultimately will force us all to wear white shirts and ties, drink nothing but lemonade, and sing "Joseph Smith, dumb, da dumb, da dumb" all day until he joins forces with the Shiites that are strangely similar in their ethical philosophy and attitude towards personal freedom. Oh hell, at least we'll get to marry a bunch of wives, and no more back-talk!

No, I'm sure you mean the part about apostasy, executing anybody who turns away from the One True Faith, or perhaps the bit about stoning adulterers to death, at least if they happen to be female. Obama is clearly all about that. Isn't everybody?

rgb

Re:Arab spring my ass (1)

WindBourne (631190) | about 3 years ago | (#37774682)

Yes, it is amazing how bad Libya and Eygpt were to America.
And when UK and France had to push America hard to go into Libya, it was all a plan on our part.

Ding dong... (1)

bigredradio (631970) | about 3 years ago | (#37774320)

First thing that popped into my mind when I heard this was that damn song from the Wizard of OZ. Ding dong the wicked witch is dead! Now just waiting to hear:

As Coroner, I must aver
I thoroughly examined him
And he's not only merely dead,
He's really most sincerely dead

(Mayor)
Then this is a day of independence for all the Libyans
And their descendants
Yes, let the joyous news be spread
The wicked old witch at last is dead!

Unfortunately, now his secrets are in the grave. (2)

bstarrfield (761726) | about 3 years ago | (#37774382)

A trial would have been a farce. How can you try a dictator in the heat of battle, especially in a nation where the very same dictator had destroyed civil society?

Ghaddafi's government functioned as a true totalitarian regime, with all functional aspects deriving from the dictator himself. The Transitional Government still is in its infancy, and could not organize a legitimate court system for years.

What I regret is that Ghaddafi could not be interrogated by neutral agencies - say at The Hague. He had close relationships with the IRA, various Palestinian terrorist groups, and very interesting relationships with major oil companies. Now we cannot find out who he worked with, what bribes he paid, and what other crimes he and his government had committed.

And remember, this man ordered the destruction of an airliner, killing 270 in the air and on the ground - including a large group of college kids, researchers, purely innocent civilians. I hope the families and friends of the victims can find some peace that the murderer is dead.

Re:Unfortunately, now his secrets are in the grave (1)

Millennium (2451) | about 3 years ago | (#37774634)

A trial would have been a farce. How can you try a dictator in the heat of battle, especially in a nation where the very same dictator had destroyed civil society?

This. I do still think it would have been better to capture him alive, because a man like him deserves to watch as everything he built crumbles around him, and despair. But there was no possibility of a fair trial; any attempt would have been a pointless illusion at best, and more likely would have been actively harmful.

And really, this outcome isn't so bad. He still gets removed, and the people can better rest assured that there is absolutely no possibility of his return. There's something to be said for that.

Good Riddance? (2)

necro81 (917438) | about 3 years ago | (#37774426)

My first reaction is "good riddance." The human race is much better off without him; too bad it couldn't have happened 30 years ago, etc.. It really is a whole lot cleaner for him to be dead than to have him captured and alive, expounding his delusional nonsense to anyone within earshot, and all the messiness of putting him on trial.

On the other hand, his sudden death does mean that the Libyans, and the rest of the world, lose the opportunity to air out the closet (so to speak) and try him for his many crimes. The result would almost certainly have been the same (death), but the process would have been important for Libya: to delegitimize his legacy, to legitimize the rule of law under a new government, to exorcise old demons and grievances so as to move on, and to ferret out his many collaborators. I wouldn't say it was a complete success in Saddam's trial in Iraq. It may not come to pass for Mubarak in Egypt. The international criminal court has mad mixed success with the perpetrators in the former Yugoslavia. Still, I believe these things do matter, and there is merit in attempting it.

Re:Good Riddance? (1)

Reziac (43301) | about 3 years ago | (#37774858)

Conversely, I look at the relative stability of Libya before and with Gaddafi, and I wonder if his removal is really such a good thing, especially for the average Libyan. Seems to me Libya is more likely to descend back into perpetual civil war than to become a "democratic" state.

And if you want to see what a relatively uneducated voting populace spits up for leaders, look no further than California. Name recognition trumped a 13% approval rate -- 100% were nonetheless re-elected last time around. Tell me how Libya will do better??

No offense (-1, Flamebait)

gellenburg (61212) | about 3 years ago | (#37774434)

but how is this "News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters."

I already read CNN & Google News.

I already knew this.

I did not need to read this on /. .

Re:No offense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37774550)

I guess that depends on if you believe this news falls under "stuff that matters". If you do, then you've already answered why it's here.

Re:No offense (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about 3 years ago | (#37774554)

but how is this "News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters."

I already read CNN & Google News.

I already knew this.

I did not need to read this on /. .

I can fix this problem for you!

Go back to the home screen and read through the stories that are posted. When you get to the headline for this one, don't click on it.

There! Much better, right?

Re:No offense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37775156)

but how is this "News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters."

Admittedly, it isn't but...

I already read CNN & Google News.

...I hardly ever do (though I realise I probably ought to)...

I already knew this.

I didn't.

I did not need to read this on /. .

Evidently, I did.

Yes, this story may not be tech news, but it's still stuff that matters and it's also a step up in quality from some of the unimportant [slashdot.org] or downright misleading [slashdot.org] stories we've had recently.

Newsworthiness is a very subjective thing: frankly I couldn't give a toss about the latest version of Ubuntu or what X says about Y or some actress I've likely never heard of trying to keep her age a secret, but instead of complaining to everyone I just skip to the next article in the list.

Damn... (2)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | about 3 years ago | (#37774566)

Damn, and I was hoping for a Gaddafi reality TV show.

How cool would that have been to see him and some courtesan bad mouthing each other in front of hidden cameras and then acting all smoochy with each other afterwards.

Guess no chance of having an "I'm a dictator, get me out of here" reality show. Can you imagine Gaddafi, Saddam, Kim Jong Il and Amadinejad on a desert island together? Which one would be voted off first... ....ooops silly me, voting is for democracy.

Re:Damn... (1)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | about 3 years ago | (#37774718)

Oooooh... or the Bachelorette- where she has to pick from dictators.

Well... I....errrrm, like, ummm... thing Fidel is kinda hot, like, ummm, yeah, he's kind of old, right... but... ummm that beard tickles me a lot...and like you know... in a good way...

But Gaddafi, like, he soooo dreamy, ummm... like err, that moustache... yeah... um... like I love them both... they so nice to me... they only kill people that like deserve it... give them a break people.... .... I ummmm... like, so not going to give Robert Mugabe a rose, he ummm won't even let me keep my farm.

Re:Damn... (1)

garyebickford (222422) | about 3 years ago | (#37775148)

I'm hoping for something equivalent to this: WWI Game Parody [photobucket.com] . (Caveat - I don't think this was the original version).

wrong turns (1)

louisfreeman (595193) | about 3 years ago | (#37774582)

You could say that if this many celebrate your death, that you have taken a few wrong turns in life.

That sux (4, Insightful)

WindBourne (631190) | about 3 years ago | (#37774588)

Like OBL, he should have been tried.

Re:That sux (0)

Millennium (2451) | about 3 years ago | (#37774962)

Like OBL, it wasn't possible. How do you fairly try one of the most infamous and polarizing figures in the world? The only way to scrape together enough people for an impartial jury would be to go way outside any group that could possibly be considered his peers, so you still don't have validity. Any attempt to do so would be at best a pointless illusion, if not actually harmful.

Besides, the purpose of a trial is to determine whether or not someone committed a crime. With witnesses numbering in the millions and evidence as simple public record, there is no reasonable doubt as to his guilt.

Celebratory gunfire... (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 3 years ago | (#37774720)

I've often wondered what happens with all the ammo that is shot up in celebration when something like this occurs. I know the mythbusters did something on the matter some time ago, and I don't recall what they found. You would think that when people are shooting off their AK's into the air in a city that something would get hit, even if it was just lead falling onto building rooftops.

Re:Celebratory gunfire... (2)

orphiuchus (1146483) | about 3 years ago | (#37774808)

They found that a bullet fired straight up isn't dangerous to people on the ground. Its just like dropping a bullet from a hot air balloon.

That said, bullets fired at, say, a 45 degree angle would be very dangerous.

Re:Celebratory gunfire... (1)

Quila (201335) | about 3 years ago | (#37775108)

Deaths are common during weddings where celebratory gunfire is traditional.

Re:Celebratory gunfire... (1)

orphiuchus (1146483) | about 3 years ago | (#37775176)

Do you have a source for that? I've heard it claimed before but the chances of someone actually getting hit by a round fired at a low enough trajectory to kill seems extremely low, and if it were to happen then it wouldn't be anywhere near the actual celebration.

Not "his killing"... (1)

rgbatduke (1231380) | about 3 years ago | (#37774806)

His killing, which came swiftly after his capture near Sirte...

s/killing/death/

The actual reports on Al Jazeera and elsewhere suggest that he was badly wounded in the legs and head while being captured and died of his wounds in captivity. The phrase above suggests that he was first captured, then deliberately killed which none of the reports suggests. Just FYI, for those who don't have time to read any of the many articles that are flashing up as AJ has posted what is claimed to be an actual (rather graphic) video of his dead body. Naturally, it is on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=http%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DKJQUShElCzE%26feature%3Dyoutu.be [youtube.com]

Pretty convincing, actually, although only DNA does not lie...

rgb

DNA doesn't lie (2)

samjam (256347) | about 3 years ago | (#37775104)

DNA doesn't lie, but you can't always tell what it's "saying"

And those doing DNS tests might lie, and those collecting it might collect extra DNA (it's too small to see) or tamper with it on purpose.

Good. (1)

orphiuchus (1146483) | about 3 years ago | (#37774820)

Now why didn't we kill the motherfucker with a single missile at the beginning of this whole thing rather than let thousands die in the fighting for what was already a forlorn conclusion?

Re:Good. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37774992)

1. They probably tried.

2. It is always better for inside rebels to do this type of thing, rather than an outside country that can be blamed later.

Reagan tried that (1)

Quila (201335) | about 3 years ago | (#37775166)

He missed.

Re:Good. (1)

couchslug (175151) | about 3 years ago | (#37775222)

Because doing that is much more difficult than it looks in the movies.

Not so sure (1)

JustNiz (692889) | about 3 years ago | (#37774890)

There seems to be conflicts in the story about how & where he got killed.
I wouldn't be so sure its really him until they do DNA testing. He was known to employ body doubles.

Re:Not so sure (1)

xavdeman (946931) | about 3 years ago | (#37775088)

Was he, really?

Awww (1)

Greyfox (87712) | about 3 years ago | (#37774970)

I was looking forward to a trial and hanging. Those are so much more fun! Oh well. I guess you takes what you can gets...

"died of wounds suffered" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37775024)

So no trial. I suppose it's better than "we killed him and dumped his body in the sea because the rules only apply to losers".

Regicide In Libya, film at 11 (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | about 3 years ago | (#37775056)

(Libya, Tripoli) Sign Painters are busy removing Libya's prior reigning ruler's name off the office door at the main palace. It has been a while since the painters have had to do this job. Quoted from one on the painters, "This paint has been on the door way to long." A concerned paint supervisor admonished the paint team by saying, "hurry up, it is almost lunch time."

"Wake me up when something important happens" - President Ronald Regan, 1986

2011 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37775220)

Has been a great year for getting bad guys.

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