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TSA Doing Random Truck Searches On Tennessee Highway

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the papers-please dept.

Government 578

OverTheGeicoE writes "TSA is expanding its presence to the American road system. As part of its Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response (VIPR) program, TSA agents are now working at 5 weigh stations and two bus stations in Tennessee. They are randomly checking trucks with 'drug and bomb sniffing dogs', and encouraging truck drivers to join their First Observer Highway Security Program and report anything suspicious that they see to authorities. VIPR is allegedly not a response to any particular threat."

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Wow. (2)

unity100 (970058) | more than 2 years ago | (#37784752)

though nothing happened in the last decade and all the ball groping that happened, they are still disturbing and irritating people.

wow.

Re:Wow. (2)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37784936)

though nothing happened in the last decade

Yeah, and all that time wasted rewriting code for Y2K! Nothing happened!

Re:Wow. (5, Insightful)

mug funky (910186) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785048)

that analogy is irrelevant. one was a response to something we KNOW was going to happen BEFORE it happened (or rather didn't, due to the dilligent work of those that sought to prevent it), the other was a knee-jerk response to something that should have been spotted before it happened, but wasn't.

you can't say attacks have been prevented by the TSA's ball groping, and naked-scanning-irradiating-machines without some form of proof. considering the massive scale of abuses the TSA is committing, it'd better be solid proof of thousands of attacks directly foiled by ball-groping, otherwise it simply is not worth the sacrifice in freedom.

Re:Wow. (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785342)

How I can I prove a negative? If a terrorist planned on taking over a plane, then abandoned the plan once he saw the security line at the airport, how would anyone know? I, for one, used to carry plastic weapons on planes for self defense. Now, I don't, because I don't want to get caught. I agree the security is too much, but there's no way of knowing what was prevented.

Re:Wow. (4, Funny)

blair1q (305137) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785494)

The fact that there are more people whining about security at airports than dying in hijackings is a good thing. Because back when it was the other way around, that shit was whack.

Re:Wow. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785510)

How I can I prove a negative? If a terrorist planned on taking over a plane, then abandoned the plan once he saw the security line at the airport, how would anyone know? I, for one, used to carry plastic weapons on planes for self defense. Now, I don't, because I don't want to get caught. I agree the security is too much, but there's no way of knowing what was prevented.

Yeah...because a terrorist would have seen a gigantic security line at the airport and thought, "damnit, my plan is foiled!" instead of taking the opportunity of the high density of people to start killing them right there.

Re:Wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37784940)

Obviously the Bear Patrol is working. Not a single bear has been seen in Springfield since they started.

Re:Wow. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785008)

Read some history on Hitler the SS, the mirror of history is always there.... Really the thin edge was fat but still the thin edge in the long run.

Re:Wow. (2, Interesting)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785094)

It's not entirely worthless. All those otherwise unemployable troops stationed in the middle-East have to do something when they come home, right?

It's simple, really - first you destroy the economy, so that the only decent jobs left are security or defense-related. Second, the ideology problem solves itself because troops and security guards already drink the government Kool-aid, and the rest will have no jobs/money/resources to properly affect change. Third, those with no jobs/money/resources will become ever more desperate over time, and will be encouraged more and more to report subversives to their local political officer. Guess what, everybody - the original Gestapo numbered very few, but they owe their success to a desperate paranoid population willing to rat others out for reasons like "suspicious behavior." America will then manufacture a reason to either prolong the existing wars or start new ones, and her existing population will have no choice but to be part of the war machine or rot in jails or FEMA camps.

Do any of you live in San Diego? They blamed a recent rolling blackout (most cell service was also down) on some hapless technician in Arizona, but the reality was that they were doing a dry run of a inconvenient but harmless "false flag" terrorist attack or rehearsing how they would take the advantage in a martial law situation after a popular revolt.

Let's go over this one time: - 9/11, Amerika's Reichstag fire, Amerika goes to war in the middle-East, Amerika expands its domestic Gestapo apparatus and restricts free speech, Amerika destroys economy to limit options so more people become troops/security, Amerika continues war and starts more wars, Amerika outlaws free speech and the internet, popular revolt begins and is crushed by hired paramilitary goons, Amerika expands its war into Iran and compromises other Arab states along the way crushing all resistance, Amerika begins war with China and Russia is forced to intervene on China's behalf.

World War III, baby. Amerika is the new Nazi Germany.

Job program. (4, Insightful)

khasim (1285) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785096)

There are only so many TSA people you can fit inside an airport.

Let's hire MORE and put them to work ... checking TRUCKS! And buses, yeah! Because that's where the terrorists will strike next.

In the year 2035, 51% of the population will be employed by the DHS/TSA to watch/search the other 49%.

Re:Job program. (5, Insightful)

Beryllium Sphere(tm) (193358) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785254)

An Israeli security expert, maybe Rafi Sela, said it's a mistake to put threat assessment and security implementation in the same organization. Do that, and it starts inventing reasons why it should grow.

Re:Job program. (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785502)

So let the Israelis do the threat assessment and the Palestinians implement security, and the problem in that part of the world won't grow?

Re:Wow. (-1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785436)

1. Driving is a privilege, not a right.
2. Welcome to the Interstate, it doesn't belong to you and it's not a national park.
3. Out west they've been doing this for decades looking for vehicles trafficking in illegal immigrants and illegal drugs.
4. Do you mind if we search your computer?

Great, expanding a worthless program (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37784768)

They haven't prevented any takeovers of planes, so they have to add trucks. Wonderful.

Papers please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37784778)

License, registration, proof-of-insurance--oh, and bend over for a full body cavity search, sir.

Re:Papers please (1)

raydobbs (99133) | more than 2 years ago | (#37784848)

Just remember, when they ask for your papers - don't run, otherwise they will shoot you in the back.

What happened to the constitution? (5, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#37784790)

Freedom to travel not something we have anymore?
Should I be carrying my papers?

At what point do we tell these assholes to fuck off? This is one government department that needs to be shutdown.

Re:What happened to the constitution? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37784956)

It's just like the case of air travel - no one forces you to drive a truck on those particular roads. You could choose to go elsewhere, or find another route, and thus avoid the search. Thus your constitutional rights are not violated.

Re:What happened to the constitution? (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#37784988)

Bullshit. I called bullshit on the air travel thing too. This is an argument made by tyrants and their asshole lackeys.

Re:What happened to the constitution? (2)

mug funky (910186) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785078)

the searches are random, meaning that theoretically every single path in all of the USA is covered.

your argument is wrong.

Re:What happened to the constitution? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785160)

So by closing your eyes to the issue that makes this all ok?

Re:What happened to the constitution? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785190)

So next it will be "no one forces you to go outside your home"?

Re:What happened to the constitution? (1)

NoobixCube (1133473) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785376)

No one forces you to keep closed containers in your home.

No one forces you to draw your curtains.

No one forces you to NOT install these convenient transparent walls.

Re:What happened to the constitution? (1)

NoobixCube (1133473) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785390)

No one forces you to live outside our sanctioned government community safety dormitories.

Re:What happened to the constitution? (5, Interesting)

L3370 (1421413) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785258)

Do some highway driving close to the mexico border and you'll see border patrol already at work doing this. I get pulled into a random search frequently. Drug dog comes by without asking. The agent sets of a series of questions to try and make you trip up.
Agent: What citizenship are you? me: US...i didn't cross any border... Agent:Where you going?
me: San Diego
Agent: Where you coming from?
me:Phoenix
Agent: Where do you live?
me: Phoenix
Agent: Didnt you just come from El Centro?
me: well yeah...passed through it driving here... (ohyou.jpg)
Agent: How long you staying?
me: 3 days
Agent: You have anything in the trunk I should know about?
me: nope
Agent: 3 days and no clothes?
me: its in the trunk
Agent: I thought you said there's nothing in the trunk...(trollface.jpg)

I didn't sign up for this bullshit...Being treated like an ass, as if it is a priviledge to travel within my own fucking home country and prove I'm not some terrorist to everyone with a uniform.

Re:What happened to the constitution? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785398)

How in the fuck does a drug sniffing dog detect terrorists anyway? Do they have a significant THC content or something? If so, you'd think they'd just spread the word and then stoners would take care of terrorism for free...

Re:What happened to the constitution? (4, Insightful)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785460)

Yeah.... I play a different game with those fuckers.

Agent: What citizenship are you?
Me: The one on my drivers license.
Agent: Where you coming from?
Me: Where I have been.
Agent: Where do you live?
me: Where I came from.
Agent: Didnt you just come from El Centro?
me: I don't know.
Agent: El Centro is where you just came from.
Me: Then why did you ask?
Agent: How long you staying where you going?
me: I don't know yet.
Agent: How could you not know?
Me: It depends.
Agent: On what?
Me: On what happens when I get there
Agent: You have anything in the trunk I should know about?
Me: I have no idea.
Agent: You don't know what is in your trunk?
Me: No, I know what is in my trunk more or less.
Agent: Then is there anything I should know about?
Me: I don't know who you are or what your job description *is* so that is impossible to answer.

This goes on till one of two things happen. A tazer or they just get frustrated and let me go.

Re:What happened to the constitution? (0)

drpimp (900837) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785374)

While I agree with your point about 86-ing the TSA ... lets remember driving is a privilege NOT a right. If they start checking random people, walking random streets that is an entirely different argument.

Re:What happened to the constitution? (1)

Leebert (1694) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785522)

No, please stop parroting what the department of motor vehicles drones on about. Driving is *NOT* a "privilege". It is a *right*, as it obviously should be because my tax money is used to create and maintain the roads. *HOWEVER*, just like most other rights, they can be taken from me for just cause.

Re:What happened to the constitution? (2, Interesting)

poity (465672) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785392)

These are freight trucks used in commerce -- commonly 18-wheel trailer trucks (American version of container trucks), which are required to weigh in at weight stations at certain intervals on their trip. They are often used for smuggling, which was why the weigh station system was built. They are adding more checks to the process, perhaps not because they think they'll catch anyone outright, but because the knowledge of improved operations will deter those who wish to take advantage of this transport system. It has absolutely nothing to do with personal travel. So take off your tin foil hat

Can't believe bullshit paranoia from someone who obviously didn't RTFA and without a sliver of understanding of US freight operations was modded up +5

Re:What happened to the constitution? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785444)

How about not making a fucking highway with an inland port in fucking KANSAS CITY, smack dab in the middle of the country, with NO CHECKS WHATSOEVER on the trucks where they ENTER the country. Weighing them? Is this a fucking joke?

And tell the TSA to piss off. Checking vehicles at ports of entry is the job of the Border Patrol. Oh wait, they're nothing but a red-headed stepchild under all of the current administrations, because they might ACTUALLY TRY TO SECURE THE BORDERS.

Why bother with a 4th amendment at all (4, Insightful)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#37784796)

All the inconvenience of airport travel, coming soon to a town near you. Oh they will start with the truckers but whoever said the slippery slope is not real: watch. Dear God America, you tell the world about how you are the champion of democracy and freedom and then you go an pull shit like this. And you wonder why no one believes you?

Re:Why bother with a 4th amendment at all (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785006)

All the inconvenience of airport travel, coming soon to a town near you. Oh they will start with the truckers but whoever said the slippery slope is not real: watch. Dear God America, you tell the world about how you are the champion of democracy and freedom and then you go an pull shit like this. And you wonder why no one believes you?

We stopped believing in you the moment "stasi lovers" PATRIOT ACT was passed with nary a voice of dissent.
Oh and lets not go into the whole TSA debate (a model SS organization), they only lack black shirts and mp44s.

Our Congress didn't Care... (1)

IBitOBear (410965) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785276)

As soon as "9/11 happened" I wrote to my congress critter and asked them _NOT_ to consider or pass any legislation in response to the attack.

I got a letter back "assuring" me that congress was working as hard and as fast as possible to do _exactly_ what I begged them not to do.

Dear Rest Of The World:

Next time you decided to deport all your religious wackos, please do not send them all to one place. It weakens the gene pool. If you'd sent us some of those criminals you sent down under to dilute the wacjobbery things would have turned out better.

Signed, the descendants of your bad choices, the U.S.A.

Re:Why bother with a 4th amendment at all (4, Informative)

gknoy (899301) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785020)

We say that because it's the ideals that were taught us in grade school, and espoused by the founding fathers. We are roughly as appalled by this as you are, but feel that there's almost nothing we can do about it. Compound this with about half the country feeling directly opposite of us, and clamoring for more paranoia, it's very frustrating. I feel nervous even writing this, and yes I realize that is a bad sign.

Re:Why bother with a 4th amendment at all (1)

spazzmo (743767) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785248)

FTFA: "Where is a terrorist more apt to be found?" These days? In the USA in a TSA or DHS uniform.

Re:Why bother with a 4th amendment at all (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785474)

Terrorist; noun - 1. A person or organization who uses fear as a means of coercion
Isn't that how the cops keep me from speeding? Fear of being pulled over, and worse? Getting pulled over is a terrifying experience, especially if the cop is in a bad mood. Can't the same be said about the TSA, or any other 'enforcement' branch of the government? I'm terrified of my business being taken from me and going to prison for 'tax evasion' if I make a mistake on my tax filings, which is what makes me stress so much about getting everything right (especially since the government doesn't believe in 'mistakes', and will punish no matter what.) How is that not terrorism?
Also, as an aside, when does a government become a 'police state'?

Their mission (2)

booch (4157) | more than 2 years ago | (#37784810)

I'm not quite sure how that meets their mission:

The Transportation Security Administration protects the Nation’s transportation systems to ensure freedom of movement for people and commerce.

Then again, I'm not sure how much of what they do furthers their mission. It would seem that most of the things they do actually restrict freedom of movement.

Re:Their mission (4, Informative)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#37784836)

How about this mission statement:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Re:Their mission (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785402)

Supporting that kind of radical, unconstitutional change would get their budget cut.

Re:Their mission (1)

inkscapee (1994086) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785422)

How about this mission statement:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

You must be a commie. Or a socialist. Or a terrorist hippie. We don't tolerate that crazy talk in America.

Welcome, Comrades! (1)

Un pobre guey (593801) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785212)

Wrong, Comrade! You are so wrong! They are pro-actively protecting us from the imminent threats of massive total destruction by terrorists from Eurasia and Eastasia [wikipedia.org]!

Welcome, Comrades!
Welcome to the Glorious Union of Soviet Corporatist Republics!

America oh America..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37784818)

What are you so worried about? Heaven forbid someone has a bag of weed. STOP THE PRESSES!

This country is going down hill fast. By changing the definition of legal, the top 10% are using our own police forces to penalize us and label us as "criminals".

Then who is going to listen to a "criminal" when he wants to vote for new overlords or insist upon change? *crickets*

So obviously only people who disagree with the administration are targeted. One of the major things is weed. Christians hate it but their own rhetoric is of course gospel.

Fucking idiots. Ammo box here we come......

Maybe I'll call... (1)

Teppy (105859) | more than 2 years ago | (#37784820)

From TFA: "Somebody sees something somewhere and we want them to be responsible citizens, report that and let us work it through our processes to abet the concern that they had when they saw something suspicious," said Paul Armes, TSA Federal Security Director for Nashville International Airport.

"Yes, I witnessed some people dressed in TSA uniforms at a weigh station, and I suspect they may be impostors. Could you send some agents over to check the situation?"

Tennessee Children? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37784868)

Are Tennessee children better looking than in other states? Why would they target Tennessee? Is it just more common to have ignorance and a lack of lawsuits when implementing this type of policy (people too poor or stupid to care, since they can't pay for the lawsuit with money or time) ?

Makes sense to me! (1)

Jstlook (1193309) | more than 2 years ago | (#37784880)

Hey, they couldn't find terrorists on airplanes, they seem perfectly competent to not find terrorists on the roads too!

It is a response to a very specific threat. (4, Insightful)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 2 years ago | (#37784890)

VIPR is allegedly not a response to any particular threat

The threat is very clear - budget cuts. With Osama gone, Al Qaeda a thin shadow of its former self (which was really never much to begin with) and no significant acts of terrorism for the last 10 years, the TSA and the DHS are in jeopardy of being pared back to a size much more appropriate to the risk -- i.e. practically nothing.

If they don't remind us to be scared, who will?

Re:It is a response to a very specific threat. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785108)

The threat is very clear - budget cuts. With Osama gone, Al Qaeda a thin shadow of its former self (which was really never much to begin with) and no significant acts of terrorism for the last 10 years, the TSA and the DHS are in jeopardy of being pared back to a size much more appropriate to the risk -- i.e. practically nothing.

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them [qupload.com]. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens' What's there in that for anyone?"

- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

It's almost like all of this has happened before, and people who escaped it tried - in vain - to prevent it from happening again.

Re:It is a response to a very specific threat. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785370)

I'm plenty scared - of the TSA and the DHS.

Re:It is a response to a very specific threat. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785432)

Fox News

oooh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37784914)

Trying to validate their jobs by bullying people.

Occupied Country (4, Insightful)

bobcat7677 (561727) | more than 2 years ago | (#37784920)

If the "occupy wall st" people added dissolution of the TSA to their agenda, I might join them at this point...

Re:Occupied Country (4, Informative)

Normal Dan (1053064) | more than 2 years ago | (#37784992)

IIRC, Ron Paul wants to do away with the TSA.

Re:Occupied Country (2)

mcavic (2007672) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785140)

Ron Paul wants to do away with the federal government, giving the states the right to oppress you however they want.

Really? Done. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785238)

Oh, bother. I suppose California is going to oppress me with gay marriage and a lack of a failed war on drugs.

I suppose I'll have lower taxes overall as well. Since the Federal government would be reduced so drastically, the lion's share of total tax monies would be shifted to individual states (as it should be), and California in such a position could certainly pay for all our crazy outlandish programs. Even while cutting total tax amounts.

Hell, we could probably still even pay welfare to the southeastern states of the US. (We're crazy like that.)

Re:Occupied Country (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785384)

Yeah those damn states like California legalizing mary jane.

The real idea of this country was exactly that. States have geography between them. People in Texas might like different things than people in Alaska.

Just because natives in Alaska are nearly unable to properly handle their use of alcohol doesn't mean people in Boston *also* should have no access to alcohol.

(True fact too, some native towns outlawed Alcohol because they just can't handle it up there)

The whole idea is that I can find the laws I like *AND MOVE THERE*. Suddenly I'm no longer a "menace" because I smoke bud and otherwise live a normal healthy life earning 6 figures and supporting a family. I'm no outlaw just like a beer in your private home doesn't make you an outlaw. But when I have to sneak around to live my basic life, I lose the friendly down to earth attitude I otherwise could have if I wasn't oppressed.

Now my windows are never open, I never chat it up with my neighbors for fear they would try to come inside and see my bong collection. Yet outside of my home, I'm the nicest most outgoing guy and everyone I work with would never suspect I'm a closet stoner.

I probably pay more in taxes than the people who call me a "menace" earn in a year. But I'm also considered cocky because my own success can't be used to prove I'm not a menace to these people. I landed a $60K/year job without a high school diploma before I turned 18. I'm a prodigy like that. At 24 I'm now making over $260,000 and doing more for society than these uppity conservative fucks.

It's all about spin in this world. I'm the kind of person who would up and leave if I could live my normal life without bullshit searches and citations to worry about. The Feds crafting all the laws is not exactly how this country was meant to be. The states were supposed to have powers and make some of their own laws without the conservative-as-hell congress dicting how people thousands of miles away should live.

Re:Occupied Country (1)

bobcat7677 (561727) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785246)

Ron Paul is on the nutty end of the libertarian stick. He has some good thoughts, but no real plans to implement them that I have seen. And no, just saying "shut it down" is not a viable plan. Money is the only reason anyone pays attention to him. I would not jump on his bandwagon for any cause.

Re:Occupied Country (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785346)

if you think he's the nutty end of the stick, you haven't seen the whole stick yet.

Re:Occupied Country (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785426)

The US federal budget deficit has exceeded $1 trillion for the third year in a row. Ron Paul proposes $1 trillion in cuts to end the madness, and dumbass Americans think he's on the nutty end.

I'm just waiting for the next US credit rating downgrade.

Funny how prevention works (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37784928)

Before: The TSA is a useless agency. It's clear they only act on a reactionary basis, making draconian regulations and procedures to solve problems that already happened and won't happen again. If the TSA is to be useful at all, they need to do some prevention tactics, not just reaction.

TSA is expanding its presence to the American road system. As part of its Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response (VIPR) program, TSA agents are now working at 5 weigh stations and two bus stations in Tennessee. They are randomly checking trucks with 'drug and bomb sniffing dogs', and encouraging truck drivers to join their First Observer Highway Security Program an report anything suspicious that they see to authorities. VIPR is allegedly not a response to any particular threat.

After: ZOOOOOOMG OHNOES THEY ARE TOUCHING ME IN MY RIGHTS CHANGE IT BACK CHANGE IT BACK CHANGE IT BACK CHANGE IT BACK

Tyranny (4, Informative)

mbone (558574) | more than 2 years ago | (#37784950)

This is the thin leading wedge of tyranny. Everyone involved in the decision making process of this program, starting with Mr. Bill Gibbons, should be fired and banned from Government employment for life, as they have shown themselves as being clearly unworthy of the public trust.

'Terrorism' (1)

MischaNix (2163648) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785004)

If it wasn't blatantly obvious that terrorism was being used as a scapegoat by the TSA for funding before, this definitely helps. There's no way this has anything to do with terrorism. Tennessee? That's where most drugs go through, coming from Mexico to pretty much anywhere in the Northeast U.S. Terrorists? Nary a one. Not to mention this is the perfect state to violate 4th amendment rights in, what with all the idiots.

*ist *ist *ist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785018)

Yay for the USA. In the 1950's it was the Communist Threat. Now it's the Terrorist Threat. Maybe after Global Warming is lead-ballooned it will become the Environmentalist Threat.

We pay for this.. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785038)

We, the taxpaying middle class, pay for this.. We pay to randomly search vehicles for hopes of finding a terrorist.. I'd rather pay government agents to search for gold nuggets.

Not too worried about this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785040)

This is at weigh stations. The trucks ALL have to go there if it's open. While getting weighed, inspected, and checked for valid tax stickers I don't really have a problem with them walking detection dogs around the truck. It is non-discriminatory. They're not pulling random trucks off the road because of 'driving while non-white.' I'd love to get the stoned truckers off the roads. It's not like they're going to find any bombs.

Re:Not too worried about this. (2)

St.Creed (853824) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785116)

They won't find bombs, but they may find drugs. IIRC, it wasn't the original purpose of the TSA to be another DEA. A few good busts and you may be stuck with them, violating more liberties every day, all in the name of fighting "terrorism".

Re:Not too worried about this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785214)

Well, I do live in Canada so not too much worry there, although I am an American so Constitutional violations make me so angry I could spit.
My above point is that if they can justify stopping all trucks for enforcement of law set 'A' than adding law set 'B' isn't too much of a stretch.
I would also say that certain drugs are a security threat (mainly opiates) because the profits tend to go to groups of people I would define as enemies.
I would just assume legalize everything softer then heroin and go after importers of opiates HARD. Generally people whose lives have been ruined by pot have been ruined by law enforcement, not the drugs.

"I heard... (4, Insightful)

martas (1439879) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785056)

that he didn't stand up when they were drinking to Stalin's health." Citizens being urged to report "anything suspicious," leaves a good taste in your mouth, doesn't it?

If you can't beat'em, pretend to be relevant (4, Insightful)

FyberOptic (813904) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785080)

My father drove trucks here for years through Tennessee, and I don't even need to ask him whether he thinks this is a ridiculous waste of time and taxpayer dollars. Every minute they waste off the road is money from their pockets. Especially when in many cases you leave the truck running during all of this bullshit in order to pull it to the various road markers for different pointless checks.

They will likely never find a single truck carrying anything of federal importance. All they'll do is use it for catching things which the THP or other federal agencies should already be handling, like catching drugs, and add one more level of red tape to the honest hard-working people.

Likelihood (4, Insightful)

Meneth (872868) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785106)

"Where is a terrorist more apt to be found? Not these days on an airplane more likely on the interstate," said Tennessee Department of Safety & Homeland Security Commissioner Bill Gibbons.

I wonder, has the TSA ever found a real terrorist? Except from their employees, that is. :)

Re:Likelihood (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785456)

I'm not aware of any confirmed instances of a detained bomber at airport security. All the stories come from the ones that have slipped past. Luckily, there were post-9/11 Americans on board are aren't willing to put up with this shit anymore, and every attempt at terrorism in the sky has been thwarted by the passengers.

Uncontrolled search and seizure (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785126)

Uncontrolled search and seizure is one of the first and most effective weapons in the arsenal of every arbitrary government. Among deprivations of rights, none is so effective in cowing a population, crushing the spirit of the individual and putting terror in every heart.

Justice Robert Jackson, chief U.S. prosecutor at the Nuremberg Trials

Welcome (2)

Titan1080 (1328519) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785172)

To the USSA!

UCFSA (0)

gellenburg (61212) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785208)

The United Conservative Fascist States of America

Re:UCFSA (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785500)

The United Conservative Fascist States of America

Yeah! Screw those damned Conservatives Obama, Biden, Reid, Napolitano, and Holder!

Fail.

It's *Progressives* in BOTH major political parties. The name "Progressive" itself should be a clue. "Progressives" are those that believe that society & government should progress PAST the limits set by the Constitution.

Isn't that what's happening here, and has been happening since this second* rise of Progressivism/Liberalism?

----

*Liberalism and Progressivism are interchangeable terms. Liberalism catastrophically failed and was soundly discredited in the 1920s. Liberals then re-branded themselves as "Progressives" and have once again regained political power, depending on the Public's short memory to enable them to regain credibility and public mind-share.

Suspicious Activity? (1)

E.I.A (2303368) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785224)

Ohh, ooh,Count me in! ...First, I wanna report that mathematically, the amount of effort and funding involved in countering domestic terrorism is alarmingly disproportionate to the actual threat. I have reason to believe the Bureaucracy has been infiltrated by econo-terrorists, and paranoid authoritarians. The fact that one has an enormously greater chance of being fatally stricken by a substandard driver than a bomb-harboring truck suggests that someone in the TSA is at least hostile to math - if not common sense. Second, I wish to report that unreasonable punishments for victimless/consensual crimes are suspiciously causing more harm than mitigation; I think this must be investigated. I also wish to make a confession: I think public safety is more important than awarding private contractors and private prisons, and that liberties should not be used as currency to fund a police state. I hope that helps, and please don't mess with my grandma's diaper; she's really not a terrorist, I swear.

First they came for the airline passengers... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785230)

and I was told I just shouldn't fly on airplanes.

Then they came for the truck drivers in Tennessee...
and I was told I just shouldn't drive trucks in Tennessee.

Then...

Drug dogs? (1)

man_ls (248470) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785294)

It'd be a real shame if someone set off a truckload of marijuana in a crowded rest stop...think of the children!

They're just handing out cult literature (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785332)

Read the article. These are checks that are already being carried out by actual Tennesee law enforcement. The TSA kabuki clowns are just tagging along to ask if anyone has seen a terrorist.

They just know they're out there! Surely someone has seen one? Checked in the back? Under the axles, sometimes they latch on, start chewing on the power lines.

Aw, c'mon, man, give me a break, I have to catch three more terrorists this month or I don't make my rent. Look,just point at some brown-lookin' trucker you don't like, I'll take care of him for you, no questions asked, no presumption of innocence or nuthin'. C'mon, guy, I don't even get dental!

Tennessee = part of why this is being done. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785340)

I have driven across the entire US at least a dozen times in various cars.

Without exception, I have had no hassle from police when I have stopped
at a rest area on the Interstate highway in order to get a bit of much-needed
rest.

However, one evening in Tennessee a few years ago I was told by a Tennessee state
highway patrolman that if I did not leave the rest area immediately he would arrest me,
despite the fact that I had explained calmly to this patrolman that I was so tired I would not be safe driving,
and that I would thus be a danger to myself and others on the road. But I did leave in order to avoid being arrested,
and slapped myself very hard in the face every 30 seconds or so ( in order to stay awake ) until I reached North Carolina
where I could stop and get some sleep, because once in North Carolina I would not be arrested for trying to be a safe
driver.

What I am trying to say is that I don't think it is a coincidence that this is happening in Tennessee.
The attitude of the authorities there is extremely fascist and unpleasant. As a direct result of this, I
do not intend to ever visit the state again.

Nightwatch? (2)

jd2112 (1535857) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785416)

First Observer Highway Security Program an report anything suspicious that they see to authorities.

Mr. Welles, is that you? This whole thing was President Clark's idea wasn't it?
Are participants required to wear black armbands?
This will probay get me on the watch list but in my opinion President Clark is nothing but a Shadow puppet.

Acronyms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37785484)

Who gets to make up the catchy acronyms for all these programs? That must come from the top.

Voting (3, Insightful)

hackus (159037) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785490)

Does jack squat any more. I watch as these Occupy people sit around and sing songs, people up at the capital sing slogans, and they expect things are going to change.

Not gonna happen. If you had the ability to print an infinite amount of money and give it to your friends and yourself, would you give up that sort of power and influence?

You certainly would! Right before you nuke every major city on the globe!

So this whole crapola thing with the TSA isn't going to go away without a real nasty revolution.

No way are the people who have that power going to step aside. They will put a terrorist boogey man in every place they can. If they can't they will nuke a city, and tell you if you don't give us complete control, another "terrorist" will nuke another city.

This is way out of control of the voting booth now.

I would seriously consider having a plan in place to leave the country sooner than later.

Because, if history is any guide, the next thing TSA will be doing is preventing any people from leaving the country, while of course if you are illegal, fine no problem.

There is a definite agenda here, and it is has nothing to do with terrorists that much is for sure.

-Hack.

Back to Reality (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 2 years ago | (#37785496)

encouraging truck drivers to join their First Observer Highway Security Program an[d] report anything suspicious that they see to authorities.

"We're calling it, the Knightwatch."

"Be a Government Informer. Betray Your Family & Friends. Fabulous Prizes to be Won"?

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