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Jobs Wanted To Destroy Android

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the blunt-and-honest dept.

Android 988

hype7 writes "It's clear Steve Jobs didn't pull any punches from the interviews for his forthcoming biography. In the latest release from the book, hosted over at AP, 'Isaacson wrote that Jobs was livid in January 2010 when HTC introduced an Android phone that boasted many of the popular features of the iPhone. Apple sued, and Jobs told Isaacson in an expletive-laced rant that Google's actions amounted to "grand theft." ... "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this." ... In a subsequent meeting with Schmidt at a Palo Alto, Calif., cafe, Jobs told Schmidt that he wasn't interested in settling the lawsuit, the book says. "I don't want your money. If you offer me $5 billion, I won't want it. I've got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that's all I want." The meeting, Isaacson wrote, resolved nothing.'"

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and what about xerox's stuff? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37789960)

Odd coming from someone who stole the GUI and the mouse from Xerox.

Re:and what about xerox's stuff? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790016)

and the name "iPhone"

Re:and what about xerox's stuff? (5, Funny)

dintech (998802) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790152)

Volatile personality, bald head and eager to "fucking kill google."

Are we talking about Apple or Microsoft?

Re:and what about xerox's stuff? (5, Insightful)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790038)

Odd coming from someone who stole the GUI and the mouse from Xerox.

This actually did amuse me. Apparently tapping icons on a phone screen isn't a natural progression from clicking icons on a computer screen, which as you point out Apple didn't come up with in the first place. It's something new and unique and magical that only they could have worked out, so now anybody else that does it has stolen their ideas.

Of course, he didn't specify which ideas had been stolen, but I struggle to think of anything that the iPhone does which isn't just using a Mac/Windows boiled down to a phone-sized device. I'm sure someone will point one out to me.

Re:and what about xerox's stuff? (3, Informative)

itsenrique (846636) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790200)

Seems like the grid icons are actually from palm pilots, at least they have lots of prior art. Yeah, it was a stylus, and they went to heat based touch.

Re:and what about xerox's stuff? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790294)

Don't you know? Replacing resistive touch with capacitive touch is serious innovation.

Re:and what about xerox's stuff? (5, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790384)

Have you ever used Windows 95? When you install software it leaves icons on a grid on the desktop.

Re:and what about xerox's stuff? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790308)

Of course, he didn't specify which ideas had been stolen, but I struggle to think of anything that the iPhone does which isn't just using a Mac/Windows boiled down to a phone-sized device.

This is because you have never actually created anything in your life, and have no idea how much work it actually is to make something good.

Re:and what about xerox's stuff? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790366)

You're confusing hard work with innovation. Just because it's a lot of hard work to convert desktop apps to a mobile interface, doesn't mean it's something unique. It's also a lot of hard work to chop firewood or shovel coal, that doesn't mean one guy can own the process and stop anyone else doing it.

Re:and what about xerox's stuff? (5, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790392)

From those of us that have used touchscreens for 20 years. Yes tapping an icon is the same as clickong on an icon. It's not revolutionary in any way.

I had the first Tablet PC, a Dauphin DTR-1 it ran windows 3.11 and acted just like a iPhone except for swipes and gestures.
Honestly, you think tapping an icon is revolutionary?

Re:and what about xerox's stuff? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790090)

If by "stole" you mean "bought and used with permission" then yes, you are correct.

Re:and what about xerox's stuff? (1)

eugene2k (1213062) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790100)

No point in ranting about this anymore though, since Jobs is dead now. I'm surprised though: so many people think their ideas should only be theirs and yet nobody seems to be lobbying for idea patents. I'm sure corporations could really stiffle innovation if they lobbied for a more relaxed patent system that allows one to patent an idea without implementing it.

Steve Jobs and Bill Gates on stealing and piracy (5, Interesting)

h00manist (800926) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790304)

Steve Jobs:
"We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
"Good artists copy; great artists steal."

http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/452150-bill-gates-isnt-too-bothered-by-piracy/ [neowin.net]

Bill Gates:
"It's easier for our software to compete with Linux when there's piracy than when there's not."
"Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though," Gates told an audience at the University of Washington. "And as long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade."

Ariel Katz, a law professor at the University of Toronto and an expert on the economics of piracy:
"Microsoft benefits from piracy, then says, 'If you think prices are high, blame the Chinese, because they are the thieves,' "

"They like us to feel guilty — to think that piracy is wrong and immoral. Economically, it's not necessarily true, but it resonates with the public."

Re:and what about xerox's stuff? (0)

dogmatixpsych (786818) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790324)

Stop repeating this myth. Apple paid Xerox (in stocks) for the GUI and the mouse. Apple did not steal them - Xerox gave (sold) them away willingly.

Re:and what about xerox's stuff? (4, Informative)

SlippyToad (240532) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790386)

What's more pertient is that Apple didn't invent those things any more than Google did.

Jobs was a giant fake. Better at using the work of others than at coming up with a single thing on his own.

As I recall, there was this guy they called Woz who did most of the heavy lifting for Cult Of Steve Jobs.

Odd, given that the Mac "borrowed" so much (3, Interesting)

nani popoki (594111) | more than 2 years ago | (#37789966)

from Xerox PARC and other places. Google was simply following in Apple's grand tradition of stealing any IP that wasn't nailed down too tightly.

Re:Odd, given that the Mac "borrowed" so much (0, Redundant)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790000)

Keep repeating a myth and people believe it. Apple did not steal from Xerox. Apple was already developing a GUI back in the late '70s.

Re:Odd, given that the Mac "borrowed" so much (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790074)

They stole from BSD. If they hadn't, they would have died with MacOS9

Re:Odd, given that the Mac "borrowed" so much (0)

Sique (173459) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790078)

... and Smalltalk77 from Xerox was published in '77, when Apple just started to develop a GUI. Coincidence?

Re:Odd, given that the Mac "borrowed" so much (5, Informative)

julesh (229690) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790094)

Apple did not steal from Xerox. Apple was already developing a GUI back in the late '70s.

The first GUI computer, the Xerox Alto, was designed in 1973, 2 whole years before Jobs & Wozniak started developing the Apple I, and 5 years before work started on the Lisa, Apple's first GUI computer.

Re:Odd, given that the Mac "borrowed" so much (4, Informative)

Dragon Bait (997809) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790114)

Keep repeating a myth and people believe it. Apple did not steal from Xerox. Apple was already developing a GUI back in the late '70s.

And yet Xerox PARC [wikipedia.org] had it in '73. Wikipedia also has an interesting read on the history of GUI [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Odd, given that the Mac "borrowed" so much (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790120)

[citation required]

Wikipedia disagrees:

"Jobs and several Apple employees including Jef Raskin visited Xerox PARC in December 1979 to see the Xerox Alto. Xerox granted Apple engineers three days of access to the PARC facilities in return for the option to buy 100,000 shares (800,000 split-adjusted shares) of Apple at the pre-IPO price of $10 a share.[33] Jobs was immediately convinced that all future computers would use a graphical user interface (GUI), and development of a GUI began for the Apple Lisa.[34]"

Myth - my old hairy ass. (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790234)

Keep repeating a myth and people believe it. Apple did not steal from Xerox. Apple was already developing a GUI back in the late '70s.

Awe....aren't you cute. Can't deal with the truth about St. Jobs? Dude - dudedette, for those of us who were around back then, in the early '80s, Jobs himself admitted to seeing PARC's GUI and basing the whole Mac GUI on that.

At the time, Xerox was your typical complacent big corporation that had a R&D arm. And as such, they're managers were too short sighted to see the potential of their GUI OR felt that it was irrelevant to their business and therefore let it slide. Jobs saw the potential and ran with it.

BUT....unlike Google, Jobs didn't borrow/steal from a product being currently marketed - it was just a prototype in PARC's lab at the time and absolutely no indication from Xerox that they'd be using it. So, St. Jobs' reputation is still intact as the wizard of technology and marketing.

Re:Odd, given that the Mac "borrowed" so much (2)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790254)

> Keep repeating a myth

This wasn't any myth. This was the statements of a younger Steve Jobs.

Re:Odd, given that the Mac "borrowed" so much (1)

Tsingi (870990) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790300)

Keep repeating a myth and people believe it. Apple did not steal from Xerox. Apple was already developing a GUI back in the late '70s.

You are incorrect.

Lies, all LIES (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790080)

Oh no, Apple have never borrowed or stolen anything, Apple created everything, from the computer to operating systems, mobiles and even fundamental ideas of shapes!

How do we work this (2, Interesting)

Anrego (830717) | more than 2 years ago | (#37789968)

On one hand, yes, the features probably are largely stolen.

On the other hand, that’s kind of how technology evolves.

Locking down products and ideas to the person who originally introduced them doesn’t work patents don’t work and I don’t think a free for all would either (copying something is always cheaper than development). So what is the solution here?

Re:How do we work this (4, Informative)

aXis100 (690904) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790058)

What features were stolen?

Icons in a grid? Nokia phones had those for years.
On-screen keyboard? Palm had those since day dot.
Multipoint touch gestures? I remember seeing those in Minority Report

Re:How do we work this (4, Funny)

kangsterizer (1698322) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790164)

Android preemptively copied the notification drop-down and that is outrageous!

Re:How do we work this (3, Funny)

ThinkWeak (958195) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790372)

Wait until Apple invents Widgets on the iPhone 5. Then it will really revolutionize the industry.

Re:How do we work this (5, Insightful)

itsenrique (846636) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790236)

Mod this UP-- what was REALLY stolen? Look, I'm not out to rain on apple fan's picnics. It's just that people are acting like the iPhone was this big revolutionary tech item when really it was just another device with a big difference: it was polished as hell, marketed well, and easy to develop for.

Re:How do we work this (2)

brian.swetland (1739666) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790340)

Well, it wasn't easy to develop for until about year after launch, since they had no SDK at launch. Excellent spit and polish though on the software and hardware. Apple always nails that last 10%.

Re:How do we work this (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790380)

He should have used `magical thinking` to attack Android. Wait, that's never going to work, what with it being absurd, childish nonsense.

Re:How do we work this (1)

jbolden (176878) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790088)

Solution to what? You have to decide what you are trying to achieve before there is a solution.

Re:How do we work this (0)

darjen (879890) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790118)

Why don't you think a "free for all" would work? Intellectual Property is an imaginary, fictitious concept. Assigning ownership of ideas to people is a bad for society. Practically all of our technology advancement was built on the knowledge of our ancestors in one way or another. If they keep up the horribly naive idea of patents, we will see new and innovative tech slowly grind to a halt.

Re:How do we work this (1, Interesting)

iCEBaLM (34905) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790204)

The world of fashion is an intellectual propertyless environment. You cannot copyright, patent or trade secret a design, so copies happen frequently. Every designer plays off the other, yet the industry still works and is incredibly profitable as it rakes in $20 billion a year.

Why could tech not be the same?

Re:How do we work this (2)

Anrego (830717) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790296)

Problem with fashion is the name means more than the look itself.

Even if someone made a $10 knock off that was absolutely identical to 's design.. people would spend the $$ on the origional because it's an authentic .

Tech doesn't have that kind of name recognition. Ok.. maybe apple does.. but if someone built a feature for feature, damn near exact clone of the iphone and started selling it for $50 .. you'd see apple losing some business.

Re:How do we work this (1)

Anrego (830717) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790378)

I agree patents don't work (as said in my post) but we can't pretend that ideas cost nothing to develop. This is especially true in software.

However, I disagree with the "just let products compete on features with no control of inventor rights" thinking.

Lets say there is a common problem. People have difficulty doing A. Company B says "we are going to figure out a way to do A and sell it! They spend a huge amount of money doing studies, experimenting, research, and finally develop something that works. As soon as they start selling their product, Company C says "they makes sense" and builds a copy in 3 months .. and can sell their (exact) version for much cheaper because they didn't have to do the R&D. Unless company A can re-coup their initial expense in 3 months, they are screwed.

Re:How do we work this (3, Informative)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790184)

"Stolen" implies that a bunch of masked bandits from Google raided Apple's Cupertino HQ and pilfered the vault of all the valuable iPhone widgets and touch screens.

Spring-boarding off of the iPhone (and doing some things better) is what Android did. Jobs sounded like he didn't want competition from something that might lap his phone. Rather than innovate ("great artists steal"), he decided to throw down the lawsuit hammer (or at least try to), thereby making Apple nothing more than Microsoft or IBM with a hip wardrobe fetish.

Everything these days comes from previous innovations.... there are a few exceptions, but most of the time true progress comes from expanding or improving an existing product or idea. Jobs did that with the iPhone, but it seems he didn't want anyone else to do so... That's what's broken here. (And I do agree that patents need reform just as much as copyright.)

Re:How do we work this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790272)

"Stolen" implies that a bunch of masked bandits from Google raided Apple's Cupertino HQ and pilfered the vault of all the valuable iPhone widgets and touch screens.

I'm pretty sure that's what actually happened.

Or at least, I choose to believe that's what happened, because the alternative isn't nearly as entertaining.

FRAND patents (1)

pavon (30274) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790310)

I think that at a minimum, we should require all patents to be licensed under fair reasonable and non-discriminatory terms. While providing some means for inventors to recoup their research costs is reasonable, the approach of giving them a government granted monopoly on ideas is an anachronistic throwback to merchantilism/feudalism that should be abhorred in modern capitalistic society. Researchers should get paid, but they shouldn't be allowed to hold back progress for 20 years.

Mandatory licensing would wouldn't solve the patent troll issue, or many other problems with patents, but it would at least solve a large amount of the abuse of patents within the industry.

How appropriate (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37789970)

Seeing as Apple steals most of the new iOS features directly from Android

Re:How appropriate (1)

Tridus (79566) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790218)

sssh, minor details like facts aren't welcome when the Apple fanboys are upset.

Good for the goose. (2)

Tsingi (870990) | more than 2 years ago | (#37789972)

Can't make a phone, AAPL thought of it first?

Like the GUI and everything else, and Disney invented Snow White. It's all bullshit.

Which goose? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790134)

And don't forget that Blackberry came out first with a gui-enabled phone, and Palm had handheld GUI devices with touchscreens in the mid 1990s.

Re:Good for the goose. (3, Interesting)

julesh (229690) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790182)

Can't make a phone, AAPL thought of it first?

Like the GUI and everything else, and Disney invented Snow White. It's all bullshit.

Yep. HTC were making Windows CE-based phones years before the iPhone was released. And then there were the Palm-based phones, which I think predated even those. Both of those systems had similar features to iPhones before iPhones were released.

But, hey, who ever let reality get in the way of PR?

Re:Good for the goose. (1)

shadowrat (1069614) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790318)

This isn't about features, it's about ROUNDED CORNERS!

Re:Good for the goose. (0)

dogmatixpsych (786818) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790394)

And all of those phones looked and worked very similarly to the iPhone./sarcasm

I don't care if Android is borrowing things from iOS - that's competition but we shouldn't ignore the huge influence Apple has had in the smartphone market. Smartphones were very different before the iPhone came out; RIM was king. Now, almost all smartphones look and work more or less like the iPhone.

The same Steve Jobs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37789982)

...who said that all great innovators/artists steal? Oh wait, that applies to him and only him. How dare anyone else do it!

Jobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37789988)

Everything similar to his products is theft. Whenever his products borrowed ideas it was innovation.

Karma? (2, Funny)

Spykk (823586) | more than 2 years ago | (#37789994)

I've never really bought into the whole Karma concept, but things like this make you wonder.

Re:Karma? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790020)

Ha! He thought he owned the whole world didn't he?

Obligatory (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790008)

Jobs, citing Picasso [youtube.com] :

"Good artists copy, great artists steal". And we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas.

re steve (2, Insightful)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790012)

I'm going to fucking kill Google. I've done it before and I will do it again.

-Steve...Jobs?

Re:re steve (0)

Genrou (600910) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790092)

I'm going to fucking kill Google. I've done it before and I will do it again.

And then he threw a chair.

Re:re steve (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790162)

I'm going to fucking kill Google. I've done it before and I will do it again.

And then he threw a chair.

And then he turned green.

Re:re steve (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790146)

Yeah, well it looks like a nasty bout of cancer put an end to his raping and pillaging a little early now didn't it?

Fuck Jobs, the world's better off for an egotistical bastard like him being dead.

Control Freak (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790018)

I don't want your money. If you offer me $5 billion, I won't want it. I've got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that's all I want.

It's not about the money according to him so what is it? You just like being a controlling fuck over basic interface ideas? Even more reason to hate everything about Apple.

Ah, the good old days... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790042)

Remember when every piece of software was simply someone doing something better than it had been done before. It's no fun programming with a team of lawyers in your cubicle deleting lines of code as quickly as you type them.

So Apple has come full circle with the 1984 ad. (4, Insightful)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790046)

As much as he wanted to destroy Android, it sounds like Steve Jobs became the guy on the telescreen in their 1984 commercial.

(Design) Purification Directive?

The lawsuits are ridiculous but... (3, Informative)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790054)

Don't forget what Android looked like pre-iPhone [andrewwarner.com]

If Android had launched like that, the iPhone would've destroyed it. Yes, phones before the iPhone had capacitive touch, but no one was doing multitouch. Or at least, not on a wide scale like Apple did.

Nice Try (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790116)

Don't forget what Android looked like pre-iPhone [andrewwarner.com]

If Android had launched like that, the iPhone would've destroyed it. Yes, phones before the iPhone had capacitive touch, but no one was doing multitouch. Or at least, not on a wide scale like Apple did.

Good comparison, except those are completely different phones, you idiot. Hint: Android still looks like that on some really crappy HTC models. Even more odd is that the UI on my Motorolla DROID looks nothing like either of those two! You might almost say that the UI is ... CUSTOMIZABLE.

Re:The lawsuits are ridiculous but... (1)

log0n (18224) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790160)

It doesn't really look all that different, just evolved. Both have docks and iOS doesn't have widgets.

Re:The lawsuits are ridiculous but... (4, Insightful)

slim (1652) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790172)

Because multitouch was not at that point cheap enough to manufacture.

Apple had the manufacturing power to bring it down to a certain price (and they'd honed that on the iPod Touch). But even they couldn't bring it down to the kind of price normal people would pay.

Fortunately for Apple, they don't need to bring prices down to "normal people" levels -- they have a following of wealthy aficionados who will pay premium prices.

 

Re:The lawsuits are ridiculous but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790212)

As far as I can see, in the "after" picture they re-arranged the icons a bit and chose some different home screen widgets. The other changes are all hardware which android is quite flexible about. If they had chosen, say, a htc cha-cha for that picture there would be hardly any visible change at all.

Re:The lawsuits are ridiculous but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790216)

Now that Steve is gone, that is what the iPhone 5 is going to look like.

HTC Sense (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790240)

You realize that the photo there is HTC Sense interface not Android? The same weather widget and layout they had on the Microsoft Windows phone?

So that influence would by the influence HTC had on Android, not the influence Apple did.

As for multi-touch, you may remember demonstrations of multitouch interfaces at TED which clearly influenced Jobs since he copied most of the gestures.

Two other very good links detailing the issues (1)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790260)

http://peanutbuttereggdirt.com/e/custom/Apple-vs-Samsung-1-Hardware-Design.html [peanutbuttereggdirt.com]

http://thisismynext.com/2011/04/19/apple-sues-samsung-analysis/ [thisismynext.com]

Who needs a development group when you can just wait for Apple to design it for you?

Re:The lawsuits are ridiculous but... (5, Informative)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790282)

REMEMBER what the Iphone looked like pre-LG Prada. [engadget.com] So, do you want to admit that:
1. Ideas develop simultaneously.
or
2. Apple stole the LG Prada designs.

Either way, it proves your point is full of crap.

I'm sorry that you're upset that Android it better, but please you're just embarrassing yourself here.

Android's 'ideas' are not stolen from ayone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790066)

They are obvious. A phone which can use the web, has a camera, download and run applications etc. It's all a natural and obvious progression of the available technology. Laughably so.

Apple didn't invent these 'ideas' any more than Google 'stole' them.

So hate me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790086)

I'm not ashamed to say that the world is better off without Steve Jobs around. The only thing he was truely good at was convincing people to overpay for restricted products, while at the same time doing everything in his power to close-off and stifle inovation by as many people as possible that weren't part of Apple.

Somment Cubject (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790104)

Let's start a war!

A thermonuclear war!

At the gay bar gay bar gay bar WEOW!

Kindergarten (5, Insightful)

tp1024 (2409684) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790122)

It's my idea. Don't you dare to use MY idea. No, I don't care if somebody just came up with it. It was MY idea.

No, it's not your idea. It's everybody's idea.

Standing on the shoulders of giants - where there is room for everyone - people decided to knock everybody down to the ground who dares to scale them, because they think that only they are entitled to make use of the work of earlier generations.

The opposite of a developing country, is a stagnating country. And stagnation is what we are seeing.

Joke's on him (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790140)

He's dead.

Twist! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790142)

I'm starting to get the impression that Steve Jobs thought very highly of himself, and thought that he was somehow a special and unique little butterfly. I mean, he clearly thought it was fine to release products with similarities to previous products (or down right copying) and calling it the "first" of its kind but when another company does the same thing it becomes a blasphemous act that deserves the holy hell of the world brought down upon them.

hmm (1)

emorphien (770500) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790158)

I'm fairly certain something about stone houses and throwing glass fits perfectly here.

what a shame the faggot is dead (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790168)

Can't destroy much when you're sucking cocks in Hell for eternity.

Such Crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790170)

Software patents are crap. Saying Android stole from iPhone is crap. The whole concept of doing something and then saying no one else can do it is crap. You want to make a phone that browses the web and can play media and you expect to be the only one? That's crap, too.

Patents need to stop interfering with the natural development of technology.

Apparently Jobs forgot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790178)

that he stole most of the ideas for the Mac from Xerox.

And the consumer wins! (4, Insightful)

hodet (620484) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790192)

Isn't the free market a bitch sometimes.

Do as I say, not as I do. (1, Troll)

The Altruist (1448701) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790194)

Seriously, Jobs. Xerox. Freaking. Xerox.

Re:Do as I say, not as I do. (1)

bahstid (927038) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790334)

and FreeBSB too. FreekingBSD.

Android dong a good job of destroying itself (1, Flamebait)

halfdan the black (638018) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790222)

Apple has nothing to worry about. We were waiting for an iPhone 5, then after the disappointment of only the 4s announcement, we bought my wife an Samsumg galaxy 2, where she previously had a iphone 3. So, we used it for about a week, liked the larger screen, but were appalled with the low quality of the Android interface. Nothing on Android looks or works quite right. Basically, Android pretty much feels like it was coded at gunpoint. There does not seem be any attention to any details in Android, it pretty much feels like "programmer art" in games.
So, we ended up returning the Samsung, paying the $35 restocking fee, and buying an iPhone 4. It just works.

Re:Android dong a good job of destroying itself (2)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790328)

> Nothing on Android looks or works quite right. ...in other words you're just used to how Apple decided to do things and can't cope with anything else.

"but but Android is a copy of Apple really it is. Never mind the fact that it isn't really."

Some of us like that fact (that Android isn't really a clone of PhoneOS). Makes working with our phones nicer and much less of a bother. ...as far as "programmer art" goes. Android runs much of the same programs as the iPhone does and they're written by the same people.

Steve Jobs: Good artists copy great artists steal (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790232)

Odd (0)

Progman3K (515744) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790242)

OSX is part UNIX, a wholesale theft one might say. Where's the outrage?

yep (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790246)

Maybe I'm one of the few that has sympathy for jobs, he worked all his life being the first to make some incredible products and ideas work, just to have them all shamelessly copied.

Hah (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790248)

"I don't want your money. If you offer me $5 billion, I won't want it. I've got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that's all I want."
Yeah yeah ... i want you to stop using GPL software in MacOSX ...will that ever happen ? btw witch part of 'your' OS are you selling ? The Xorg ? The bash shell ? Or maybe cups ? oh no ...it's the 'cool' kernel ....
So please remove all community developed stuff from you shitty OS and then start talking what other's should do ....
Good thing he's dead ....

Don't you hate how the real developer (of software and hardware) don't get credit , but the stupid ones witch are only faces - do ..... (example: Gates, Jobs )
They both did so much for the software and hardware ....hah wait ...they didnt do shit.... other ppl did the job, they just took the credit ... so again - good thing there's no more Jobs around ....

A slightly unrelated topic... (5, Interesting)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790266)

The book delves into Jobs' decision to delay surgery for nine months after learning in October 2003 that he had a neuroendocrine tumor — a relatively rare type of pancreatic cancer that normally grows more slowly and is therefore more treatable. Instead, he tried a vegan diet, acupuncture, herbal remedies and other treatments he found online, and even consulted a psychic.

He seems to be a poster child for alternative medicine.

Exactly how not to treat a perfectly treatable cancer.

If, the author is telling the truth. Whilst I'm not Mr Jobs' biggest fan, I do have to take this source with a huge grain of salt given it was published after his death. OTOH, it would fit with Mr Jobs' narcissism to have a scathing biography ready-written for his demise.

To some SJ was like a god (2, Insightful)

joh (27088) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790268)

and to some he was like a devil.

In reality he was just successful. But then this is more than most slashdotters will ever be.

Come on guys, if you don't like fanbois don't turn into anti-fanbois. It's just the other side of the same coin. Quasi-religious hate and spite is in no way different than quasi-religious fanboidom. It's irrational, emotional and makes you look incredibly silly.

Good artists copy, great artists steal. (1)

affenhund (1371117) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790280)

Good artists copy, great artists steal.

Stolen? (2)

Rambo Tribble (1273454) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790314)

Said the man whose OS is based in BSD.

Such a hypocrit (4, Insightful)

Stumbles (602007) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790320)

That he was; its OK for Apple/Jobs to steal ideas from others but oohhhh boy, watch out if others tried to steal his.

It's been more than 3 days...... (5, Funny)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790322)

Why hasn't Steve rolled away the stone?

Pope of Apple wants to kill heretics, shock! (4, Insightful)

markhahn (122033) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790326)

The ONLY thing Apple has ever done is push the trend towards good graphics. They didn't invent anything, just showed that it could be done well, and that people liked it. the Mac did this, producing a mass-market GUI with reasonably consistent UI rules. the Next basically pushed the resolution and depth of the display, demonstrating the advantage of both. the iPod/iPhone showed that even small displays could use the same basic metaphors with touch.

None of these took place in a vacuum; all of them were extrapolations of work others had done. part of Job's big sell is to convince Appleheads that they were the chosen people, that they had just just a superior product, but a product in a unique category.

Of course Jobs wanted to kill Android - its existence violates the ridiculous marketing mystique he spent billions to create. It's a religious war.

It's also totally immoral. There's simply no way to defend one company saying "no, you must not create good products". And since nothing Apple created came from nowhere, there is no legal basis for claiming some kind of IP monopoly (patent, copyright, trademark, designmark).

Jobs was the Pope of the Church of Apple, and he must have been just as frustrated as Catholic popes were during the reformation.

obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790348)

In the Soviet Russia of the future, androids destroy jobs!

Ha Ha You're Dead (-1, Flamebait)

JonJ (907502) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790356)

Ha Ha you're dead
The joke is over
You were an asshole
And now you're gone
As your ship is going down
I'll stand by and watch you drown

Wot no chair?!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37790360)

If he was really serious about this I'm sure he would have thrown some furniture. Thats why I believe Ballmer was much more serious about taking them down a notch.

Is that right? (5, Insightful)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 2 years ago | (#37790374)

"Good artists borrow; great artists steal." -Steve Jobs [youtube.com]

Android might have "ripped [them] off wholesale," but the truth is that Android delivers a great smartphone OS to everyone instead of everyone that can save enough for an iPhone with its special data/voice plan. Did they really expect OEMs to do like RIM and just sit there while Apple designs and builds awesome hardware from the same factories they use?

Plus, Apple's products are amazing until you start "thinking different." Then you run into HUGE walls. Example: In Android, I can install an application that controls battery usage by controlling all interfaces on the phone. This seems to be impossible on the iPhone, which is bad because there are days when it will use most of the battery in less than half a day and others in about two days. Another example is adding a Windows print queue on OS X, though this might have been made easier with Lion. I'm not sure.

His frustrations are thinly warranted, though I do agree that most of Google's products are either crappy or great for two months after release. It would be great if they made APIs along with their products, but I suppose that's not the Google way.
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