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Hyperion Promises An AmigaOS Netbook

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the it-will-run-duke-nukem-forever-too dept.

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An anonymous reader writes with a report that an employee of Hyperion Entertainment has disclosed (but not officially announced) that there is a new portable computer with the Amiga name on it in the works, quoting: "Supposedly, the new netbook Amiga is will be 'sourced in a special configuration from an OEM.' The manufacturer in question is, just like the price tag, the launch date and the hardware specifications, currently unknown paving the way for further speculation and rumors. The netbook Amiga will set a mark in computer history as the first portable Amiga to see the light of the day since the Amiga 1000 was introduced to the U.S. market in 1985."

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AmigaOS (3, Informative)

afabbro (33948) | more than 2 years ago | (#37812784)

For those who didn't read TFA, it states the netbook in question will be running AmigaOS.

(When I read the summary, I'd assumed someone had bought the trademark and was going to slap it on a Windows 7 Starter Edition laptop)

Re:AmigaOS (2)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 2 years ago | (#37812854)

You mean like how at the top of this page, it says "Hyperion Promises An AmigaOS Netbook"?

Re:AmigaOS (0)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#37812904)

Give the guy a break. The shills have to get their product mentioned at every OS discussion. Otherwise, they don't meet KPI and teams lose their bonuses.

Re:AmigaOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37813036)

Otherwise, they don't meet KPI and teams lose their bonuses.

It's boni.

Re:AmigaOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37813354)

That's what SHE said!

Re:AmigaOS (1)

Scarletdown (886459) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813732)

Otherwise, they don't meet KPI and teams lose their bonuses.

It's boni.

BZZT! I'm sorry. That answer is incorrect. [wiktionary.org]

The GP had it right, and X gets the square.

Re:AmigaOS (2)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813284)

Actually I'd say that was a legitimate concern seeing as how we recently had a Commodore released [commodoreusa.net] that was just your standard Atom nettop in a commodore case.

As for TFA I wish them luck. I'm sure that Amiga fans are a tiny niche but that doesn't mean they can't be a profitable market to serve. if these guys can make a good living by giving Amiga fans what they want? More power to 'em I say, variety spice and all that.

Re:AmigaOS (1)

jaminJay (1198469) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813858)

"Variety spice" sounds promiscuous...

Re:AmigaOS (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#37812932)

The slightly-tangled-and-mostly-software history of "Hyperion Entertainment" doesn't fill me with worlds of confidence; but there doesn't seem to be anything architecturally implausible about shipping a genuine "AmigaOS netbook", except that volume makes slapping a sticker on an Atom based system cheaper.

Despite ARM having pretty aggressively filled the 'consumer-visible stuff that isn't x86' market(not quite sure why they cleaned up so hard; but they did), there are still plenty of PPC SoCs around that have adequately low power demands and support a reasonable number of modern peripheral interfaces. There are a few desktop-ish boards built around them, no reason you couldn't shove one in a notebook, other than the price efficiencies of volume...

Re:AmigaOS (1)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813004)

The PPC 460 family is common for AmigaOS boards, but it's pretty slow and products with it always end up extravagantly priced ($1k vicinity for a board that doesn't reliably outperform the Atom) purely by virtue of it being sold to nostalgia-crazed hobbyists. I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up the same way.

Re:AmigaOS (2)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813042)

The talk is somewhere around 500 dollars but I'd be happy with 600 or so. I'm still running an Amiga 3000 but it's 20 years old now. I bought it when 286 powered peecee's were the rage and it ran circles around them plus it actually multi-tasked easily. I look at it now and it's amazing what it can do on that old hardware. So far ahead of it's time and mismanaged by idiots like medhi ali and irving gould was Commodore Business Machines. A billion dollars to zero in 5 years.

Re:AmigaOS (2)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813462)

Indeed, I suggest watching The Deathbed Vigil [google.com] , a documentary about the last day at Commodore. It explains how they managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Reading this piece [mozillazine.org] also explains some things. It's disturbing, they had some truly good tech, all destroyed by the absolute incompetence of those at the very top.

Re:AmigaOS (2)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813556)

I remember a skit about ali and gould playing golf. They're talking about the company wondering what it is they sell. One asks the other about it, "what is it we sell again?" and he replies "computers", to which he says "oh, so how are those doing?" The small shareholders actually had to hire a private detective to discover where the shareholder meetings were being held so that they could attend to give them hell about what morons they were. You gotta love it. They ran Jack Tramiel off which I kind of understood but then they brought in the clown show to make Jack seem like businessman of the Millenium.

My balls (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37813018)

I just sniffed my balls, and they smelt really nice.

Re:My balls (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37813060)

They taste nice, too!

Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37812786)

I see little point in making one other than nostalgia and/or geek rep...

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37812820)

Workbench is a much better UI than GNOME 3 or Unity. That alone is a big enough reason.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37812912)

OSX is a much better UI than workbench. That alone is a big enough reason to close down AmigaOS.
the other reason is this abortion.
http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=hardware&pid=7
for two grand you can have your very own 1.5GHz amiga with two whole gigabytes of ram and sixty four billion bytes of disk space.

Re:Why? (-1, Flamebait)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813030)

Yeah, but Slashdot has decided to hate everything about Apple since they became competitors with Google in the mobile space.

Re:Why? (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813082)

yea it has nothing to do with apple patenting no shit ideas, charging a premium for it, then dropping their customers in hardware support like clockwork.

personally I don't have the time or the money to deal with a spaz computer platform like it was 1980 all over again every 5-10 years.

Re:Why? (4, Informative)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813700)

Yeah, but Slashdot has decided to hate everything about Apple since they became competitors with Google in the mobile space.

Our hatred goes back farther than that, friend. Walled gardens are inimical to the nerd ethic and those precede Google's entry into the "mobile space", to use your business media parlance. But we bide our time...

Like the old saying goes, we know if we wait long enough we'll see the body of our enemy floating down the river.

Well, not literally...

Re:Why? (2)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813358)

And the fact that some folks are willing to pay 2 grand to run AmigaOS over OSX bothers you.....why exactly? hell i knew a guy that would pay frankly crazy money for authentic 70s bell bottoms in his size, why? because he REALLY liked bell bottoms and thought they were worth the money to him.

And that's capitalism 101 friend, if there are enough folks willing to pay the cost (I bet even at 2 grand those guys ain't making much of anything off of those simply due to the fact they are buying in such low quantities) to keep those guys afloat and it makes them happy? Good for them. I have a customer that is having me keep an eye out for a Commodore 128 and i'm sure he'll end up paying more than a new PC to get it, why? Because he LIKED his 128 and misses it.

If there are enough folks out there that miss Amiga enough to keep a little shop open selling new Amigas personally i'm all for it, I wish them nothing but luck. our whole system is based on finding a market and making a profit by serving it, sure they won't get rich but if they can pay their bills and make a few bucks why not? Hell there is a bunch that sells cassette players for PCs, if there is a market and a little money to be made somebody will make it, why not a classic OS company?

Re:Why? (1)

Kagetsuki (1620613) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813626)

That's your opinion. I hate window behavior in OSX, I hate the dock, I hate the menus being at the top of the screen instead of in the windows, and I hate the pager/multiplexer system, I prefer sloppy focus and I love semi-transparent terminals. While I still prefer GNOME 2 I'd take GNOME 3 Shell any day over OSX.

Re:Why? (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#37812942)

I disagree, while it was hands on tits better than anything in the late 80's and early 90's, it has never really progressed past then and is IMO quite antiquated in its post Amiga days. Since I did not grow up in the sheer awesomeness of Workbench in its prime I am not tainted by nostalgia, though I do appreciate what it was and what it did back then, its more modern versions just feel like an old outdated system being shoehorned onto more powerful hardware.

That was with v4 on power pc Amiga systems, and I just stopped looking then because it required special hardware, and I could not just toss it on a old Mac, this sounds exactly the same, old crap no one can find at ease, running on specialised roms, trying to shoehorn a very old computer into modern life.

They would have much better luck actually updating the OS to run on modern systems, till then its a few grand I dont want to spend to get lower performance than an emulator. Amiga is dead, Amiga PPC is a pointless waste of time as its mostly incompatible with the real deals, and its expensive for what amounts to hardware junk with a very outdated system.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37813028)

Workbench is a much better UI than GNOME 3 or Unity. That alone is a big enough reason.

Windows 95 is a much better UI than GNOME 3 or Unity, but that doesn't mean I'd want to use it.

Re:Why? (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813084)

Oh come on man. I loved the workbench but be real. It's 2011.

Re:Why? (2)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813074)

That's really the reason. It's for nostalgia and geek fun mostly. Owning an Amiga was always an expensive hobby. I paid 2 or 3 times the prices for stuff for my Amiga than my friends did for their peecee's. They always oohed and ahhed over how amazing it was but few people wanted to spend the money to own one. They were happy enough with windows since their was plenty of software available for it, mostly games that they wanted. All the big Amiga titles got ported to the peecee to start with and then later as the hardware started to slip behind and windows became more of a real operating system than the buggy crap it once was the games started coming out on peecee's first then ported to Amiga. It's hard to explain to people now just how bad the peecee was back then. I had been spoiled by my Amiga and I couldn't understand why people bought the clones when they crashed continuously, couldn't multi-task and had shitty sound and laughable graphics and animation. I now know why but I still would have done the same thing. The Amiga is why I enjoyed computing and if it hadn't been available I probably would have done without until 95 or so. As it was I hung on to the Amiga until 99 when I finally broke down, bought a used dual PII/333 server and installed linux on it. It was tough for a year or so but I couldn't go back, the hardware was just too slow to do the things I wanted. I still boot the A3k occasionally just to remember how much fun it was.

Magic times (2)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813846)

Exactly, brother. Exactly. The Amiga made me love computers.

I'll never forget the first day I had my 500 hooked up. I ran the demo that drew boxes. Then ran another copy, then another, then another...had dozens of them up. You could watch the OS switch attention between dozens of them. I was amazed. My previous machine was a C64. The leap was magical, amazing...I would simply watch the Amiga run demos and be blown away.

Learning m68k assembly...aaah. I'll still say it is the most beautiful and elegant machine code out there. Reads almost like english. It was beautiful.

I hacked the 86 pin port on the side of my A500 and installed a GVPII card. Put a 120 meg hard drive in there and 4 megs of memory. It was my first serious hard hack. Worked like a champ too.

Being an Amiga person back in the early days was a time of pure magic. Nothing since has even come close. I've got an i7 2600k with 8 gigs of memory and a 300 dollar graphics card. It came with a graphics demo of islands in an ocean of water, and it looks perfect. And for some reason it's just not as impressive.

Meh, its just a name (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 2 years ago | (#37812812)

In the end it will likely end up a "special edition" Dell laptop with nothing special other than the price.

Re:Meh, its just a name (0)

Tacvek (948259) | more than 2 years ago | (#37812978)

It run AmigaOS 4.x, so that makes it special. AmigaOS is still somewhat of a toy operating system though, considering that at is core is Disk Operating System (not unlike the various x86 DOSes), albeit one that supports preemptive multitasking, but only cooperative memory protection. It has a GUI system named Workbench, which has a visual flavor most reminiscent of Mac OS Classic.

Re:Meh, its just a name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37813434)

WTF is "cooperative memory protection"?

Re:Meh, its just a name (1)

MimeticLie (1866406) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813686)

Re:Meh, its just a name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37813806)

That's cooperative multitasking, which has nothing to do with memory protection.

Try this article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_protection [wikipedia.org]

See the word "cooperative" anywhere in the body of the text? No.

Re:Meh, its just a name (1)

Jeremi (14640) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813504)

AmigaOS is still somewhat of a toy operating system though, considering that at is core is Disk Operating System (not unlike the various x86 DOSes)

Oy! AmigaOS is completely unrelated to MS-DOS/PC-DOS/etc. The only thing they have in common is that they were both used in the 80's and 90's.

albeit one that supports preemptive multitasking, but only cooperative memory protection.

"cooperative memory protection"? You mean "no memory protection".

Portable Amiga? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37812826)

The netbook Amiga will set a mark in computer history as the first portable Amiga to see the light of the day since the Amiga 1000 was introduced to the U.S. market in 1985."

Since when was the Amiga 1000 considered portable?

Re:Portable Amiga? (1)

Megane (129182) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813158)

thatsthejoke.jpg

Re:Portable Amiga? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37813478)

lol the 500 was portable, and actually smaller than the Apple II (but larger than the C64)

The Amiga was probably the best platform for games (other than the SNES,) as that was the only platform with true stereo DAC. The Sound Blaster was mono, and the Sound Blaster Pro was stereo, but only when the sound blaster 16 and various other 16bit cards came out was the audio capability on par with the Amiga. Music however, never improved on PC's. Hell, even emulating a x86 game with DosBOX only gives you the crappy FM sound and not the MT-32 music that the games were designed to use unless you seek out a third party release of dosbox with it.

It wasn't until Windows 98 that games on windows became tolerable, and even then, some of them did some truely terrible OS mangling for DRM (ohwhygodwhy EA/Origin, Ultima 9 was completely unusable after Windows 98. It's like they didn't learn from Ultima 7 and Ultima 8, it's like EA wanted fail.)

The era we're in now, you have MacOS and you have Windows, and no excuse not to port between the two since the hardware is exactly the same. Not unlike the Amiga and original MacOS. It's kinda funny how the Wii, NDS/3DS, PS3 and XBOX360 all wound up adopting the terrible OS habits that were first introduced in the Amiga, and MacOS, and Microsoft wants to push us back to it with the Metro interface.

ick, anyway, the future is going to be the walled garden approach, you can blame the IE4 bundling in Windows 98 for that, it's been all downhillhell from there. What's going to happen is that the consumer and anyone who doesn't pay for high-end equipment is only going to be sold walled-garden devices. Anyone who wants to be a hacker has to buy the more expensive "open" hardware that has user-installable keys. That will keep the idiots from being able to download malware. App stores will have users look on the app store first instead of downloading whatever cruft their bozobuddies tell them to run.

It won't be an Amiga (2)

dammy (131759) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813546)

It won't be an netbook "Amiga" as Hyperion does not have a license for the "Amiga" name for hardware. Hyperion can only use "AmigaOne" as it's official name for it's hardware series. The only company that has an official license to call their hardware Commodore Amiga is http://www.commodore.net/ [commodore.net] who are using a customized Mint OS distro.

In related news... (2)

narrowhouse (1949) | more than 2 years ago | (#37812840)

Hyperion Entertainment announced that they will be launching a new media campaign for the Amiga line staring their new mascot, Biggie Bigfoot. No word on where they will be appearing, but Hyperion gives their assurances that the ads do indeed exist.

Is AmigaOS still that different/revolutionary? (1)

Brad1138 (590148) | more than 2 years ago | (#37812844)

I remember that the Amiga OS was fundamentally different than other computers of the time, is that still the case? I had an Amiga 500 and it was so far ahead of its time. Does it really bring anything to the table now though?

Re:Is AmigaOS still that different/revolutionary? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37812886)

At the time Amiga OS was "revolutionary". It had preemtptive multitasking (better than cooperative). It was fast. It had graphics (and sound) processing in silicon. It didn't have legacy bloat. But somewhere between windows 95 and windows 2000 the wintel world definitely caught up.

And it's been a while... I have fond memories of that OS. It was slick, customizable and fast. I'm a FreeBSD guy now!

Re:Is AmigaOS still that different/revolutionary? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37812954)

No. We'll never see another system that far ahead of other PCs - the world's a different place now, and PC tech is driven by the Windows world. The best you can do is adopt state of the art white-box tech and run your own OS on it. Plus, the early things that made the Amiga unique - multimedia, digital sound, accelerated graphics - these are all commodities now.

Amiga OS was also ahead of its time, but it's been long surpassed by Linux, OSX, even Windows.

It's great for nostalgia value, but it's not possible for them to be so far ahead ever again.

Re:Is AmigaOS still that different/revolutionary? (3, Informative)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813126)

As others said, preemptive multitasking was one of the reasons that Amiga was so far ahead. The other piece was that it had separate audio and video processors. Today, PCs and Macs both have multitasking and dedicated Video and audio processors. As much as I love the Amiga, the PC caught up to it with Windows95 + Voodoo + Soundblaster.

Re:Is AmigaOS still that different/revolutionary? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37813650)

The generic architecture they're using has no redeeming qualities over normal computers. The classic Amiga architecture did, but they chose to abandon that.

Amiga Always Was And Always Will Be Garbage (1)

VisibleSchlong (2422274) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813174)

Being briefly forced to run some tools that my company allowed some Amigatard write only for his machine it is the only operating system that has ever made me overjoyed to get back a DOS machine.

Re:Is AmigaOS still that different/revolutionary? (1)

Vecanti (2384840) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813672)

The "OS", not the computer system (hardware) still brings a lot of things to the table. Though it many ways (software) it is behind.

What drives the interest for me (not a daily OS for me or anything anymore) is the simplicity of the OS.

The concept is this. A Single User OS.

The entire OS is not "installed". It's simply in some folders. Commands in the Commands folder, Libraries in the Libraries folder, Drivers in the Drivers, etc.
The entire start up process is a Text file, that you can easily look at and modify.


How is this good?
It's easy to control your OS. Want to back up you OS? Just copy it to a thumb drive. Heck run it from a thumb drive. Run it from a network drive. There is no registry for software. All software is separate from the OS, like "Portable Apps".

Why is this bad? Probably bad for security if it ever did get popular. Harder for companies to use DRM.

Hyperion ? Thats the only hyperion i know : (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 2 years ago | (#37812848)

http://www.videoweed.es/file/xllqh0qgbs4v1 [videoweed.es]

and i assure you, if it was out as a board game, i might have considered playing it.

Re:Hyperion ? Thats the only hyperion i know : (1)

aaarrrgggh (9205) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813620)

Well... It is a sewage treatment plant in Los Angeles... Complete with a special surf spot known as "shit pipe".

Just Wow (2)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 2 years ago | (#37812856)

From Wikipedia:

Hyperion Entertainment was founded in February 1999 after Belgian lawyer Benjamin Hermans wondered why no one had ever tried to license PC games to do Amiga ports.

Because very few people really want to play PC games on AmigaOS?

Re:Just Wow (1)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813024)

So you have a profitable company that has been around for 11+ years doing what?

Re:Just Wow (2)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813088)

no one said they were profitable, they probably float by on subsidies much like Uwe Boll, where they get a "nice try" check for failing.

Re:Just Wow (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813106)

They actually managed to make a little money at it. It's a niche market but hey, it's a market.

If this is is true, I'll buy just for nostalgia! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37812860)

I still own several amiga including the 1000

Re:If this is is true, I'll buy just for nostalgia (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813098)

Amiga PPC's are not compatible with the original ones

Why? (0)

sjbe (173966) | more than 2 years ago | (#37812864)

The netbook Amiga will set a mark in computer history as the first portable Amiga to see the light of the day since the Amiga 1000 was introduced to the U.S. market in 1985.

Even if true, so what? The Amiga was a fine machine 20 years ago. It died. Things have moved on rather considerably since then. I don't really understand why anyone is trying to resurrect a proprietary platform that died out eons ago and that even most geeks didn't buy back during its heyday. If all they are doing is slapping the Amiga brand on a more modern system, again I have to ask why? Nobody cared about the Amiga back then and even fewer people care now.

Re:Why? (3, Insightful)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813170)

I don't really understand why anyone is trying to resurrect a proprietary platform that died out eons ago and that even most geeks didn't buy back during its heyday. [..] Nobody cared about the Amiga back then and even fewer people care now.

Oh Jeez, not this **** again! Look, I know it's hard to believe, but the US market is not the be all and end all, nor is it always reflective of the rest of the world.

Sure, it didn't sell well in Buttf***, Illinois, but the Amiga enjoyed *massive* mainstream success in Europe in the late-80s and early-90s.

That said, though it was amazing and ahead of its time 20-25 years ago, the Amiga is way too long gone to serve any meaningful purpose in bringing back now. Things have long moved on.

But to be honest, this product is really aimed at the obessive hardcore Amiga fanbase, not Joe Public, and that's where it makes business sense (if it does)- a very niche market.

All three remaining fans (-1, Troll)

sjbe (173966) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813264)

Oh Jeez, not this **** again! Look, I know it's hard to believe, but the US market is not the be all and end all, nor is it always reflective of the rest of the world.

It's just the biggest single market in the world. Nothing important there. [/sarcasm] The Amiga did not sell well enough anywhere and it died. Has nothing to do with the US or any other single market.

Sure, it didn't sell well in Buttf***, Illinois, but the Amiga enjoyed *massive* mainstream success in Europe in the late-80s and early-90s.

And yet it still died. Must not have really been all that popular in "Buttf***" Europe either.

That said, though it was amazing and ahead of its time 20-25 years ago, the Amiga is way too long gone to serve any meaningful purpose in bringing back now. Things have long moved on.

I'm pretty sure that was exactly my point. Thanks for repeating it.

But to be honest, this product is really aimed at the obessive hardcore Amiga fanbase

All three of them

Re:All three remaining fans (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813522)

No, the Amiga was hugely successful, so it's just ignorant to say that nobody cared about it back then. The computer market in Europe was vastly different from the USA, systems that seem obscure to you were mainstream to them.

Re:All three remaining fans (1)

MimeticLie (1866406) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813726)

systems that seem obscure to you were mainstream to them.

So the European computer buyers were all hipsters?

Re:All three remaining fans (2)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813950)

It's just the biggest single market in the world.

I suspect that would be EU.

Agnus, Denise and Paula made the Amiga Amiga (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37812892)

Everything since has been just a name.

Re:Agnus, Denise and Paula made the Amiga Amiga (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813110)

You forgot Gary.

Re:Agnus, Denise and Paula made the Amiga Amiga (1)

j-turkey (187775) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813196)

I loved my Amiga, but I'm under no illusion that current PC technology hasn't far surpassed everything that the Amiga was.

More stupidity (5, Informative)

AdmV0rl0n (98366) | more than 2 years ago | (#37812894)

Amiga inc since it left Gateway has been a complete mess. Marketing a name and products, but offering nothing but rip offs, shambles and diabolical product plans.

Hyperion, peddlers of junk and broken software. Originally the two pitched up with a third entity, Eyetech and produced the Amiga One platform. A broken junk pile of crap unworthy of being unleashed on the poor unsuspecting public. The broken hardware all backed by a warranty system designed to be malignant and to rip people off because they were 'developer' boards.

Hyperion have failed to deliver a proper product, and its riddled with issues. Its carried on leaking with its foul stench across a very short list of PPC equipment, and now apparently you'll too be 'lucky' to be offered a new 'Netbook'. They are the only member of the original three still trying to peddle this garbage and primarily each time they find some new victim-able hardware they can hang their hat on, they start making pronouncements.

I have no idea how this 'news' got pitched as being tech news of any kind on Slashdot. Whoever thought it was worth posting as an item_is_wrong.

The standing advice remains. Steer clear of anything from this bunch of cowboys.

Re:More stupidity (1)

IWantMoreSpamPlease (571972) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813376)

I was not an Amiga fan back in the day, but I have followed the story of Amiga on "x" hardware for quite some time now, and you bring up an interesting point:

Mainly, I keep hearing about the resurrection of Amiga, but have yet to see anything ever shipped, much less a review or a place to purchase this new "Amiga".

Do you, or anyone else out there in Slashdotland, have any practical experience with anything of the "new" Amigas?

Re:More stupidity (1)

damnbunni (1215350) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813852)

Yes, I have one. It's a Sam440ep-flex board, currently running AmigaOS 4.1 update 3.

It's not very fast (I can watch a DVD on it, but that's about the most CPU-intense thing I can do) and as you can imagine, getting software for 'modern' computer tasks can be a pain. (There's a good web browser, but no Twitter clients, for instance.)

On the other hand, other than sheer number-crunching tasks it feels pretty fast when I'm using it. AmigaOS was always very responsive on slow hardware.

But mostly, I use it because it's fun to screw around with. Much more plain _fun_ than the Win7, Mac, or Linux boxes I have here. Each of those has a task that I use to do some sort of work; the Amiga is a hobby.

As for a new Amiga for sale, ACube has been selling AmigaOS capable motherboards for a couple of years. There's an AmigaOne 500 for sale built on one of those; I think vesalia.de stocks them.

They're expensive. I'm not going to claim a Windows PC isn't cheaper. After all, no matter how they were priced they're not going to sell many, so they need to make more dough on each unit. I think the new AmigaOne X1000 systems they're taking preorders for now are too expensive. Yeah, they're much faster than the one I've got, but the base price is $2600 and that doesn't include the OS.

On the other hand, people spend that kind of money on toy cars, so maybe they'll sell more than I think.

Pointless if there are no apps. (1)

bartron (772079) | more than 2 years ago | (#37812946)

Most people I know that are nostalgic about their Amiga's (and C24's etc) have a perfectly capable emulation environment available to them that runs orders of magnitude faster than the original hardware, on even moderately powered netbooks.

But even if they get new hardware out and AmigaOS is fantastic, where are the apps? What's the draw to get people to buy this thing other than the nostalgia of having a computer with the Amiga stamp on it? It can be the best damn OS in the world but if it hasn't got apps then it hasn't got anything.

BeOS was pretty cool back in the day and kicked Windows to the curb in terms of performance but it died because it didn't have apps. Making an AmigaOS laptop today makes about as much sense as making a dedicated BeOS laptop (yes, I'm aware of various efforts to resurrect BeOS...still makes no sense)

Re:Pointless if there are no apps. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37812972)

You could say the same about Linux, yet here I am running it.

Re:Pointless if there are no apps. (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813140)

Linux has apps dumbass, linux has a good amount of name brand apps (java flash, firefox), and a metric ton of apps that are just behind the A+ name brand stuff.

What web browser are you going to run on BE or Hiku? Office? I mean if all you need is a notepad on a pentium 3 with a riva TNT2 then BE would be fine.

Re:Pointless if there are no apps. (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813320)

Not the same thing by a very long stretch. Linux is freely distributable, doesn't require overpriced esoteric hardware, and has tons of software available.

Other portable Amigas (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37812988)

I guess it's time to update the Amiga Portables [amigahistory.co.uk] page.

Amiga was light years ahead of its time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37812992)

Id buy it for no other reason but to own one... but this might be a big break to progress the OS to modern standards. Its not that far off from where OSX is.

Re:Amiga was light years ahead of its time... (2)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813130)

It's not going to happen. Windows is running on momentum, OS X on style, and Linux on Freedom and Excellence. The Amiga just has Nostalgia. OS 4 isn't anywhere close to being able to compete with a modern OS.

What A Fucking Loser (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37813192)

No wonder the computing world despises the Amiga and its tiny number of loser fanboys.

Fond memories (3, Insightful)

msobkow (48369) | more than 2 years ago | (#37812996)

I loved my Amiga 500. In it's day, it was so incredibly powerful with it's hardware-accelerated GUI, sound hardware, and rich OS API. Incredible to think that the core of the OS was written in a matter of weeks by a British student.

But there is nothing special about it any more, save fond memories. Everyone has hardware acceleration and a GUI nowadays, even the cheapest of smartphones and netbooks.

The OS was not complete, and missed many features we now take for granted. There's no point itemizing the details, because they don't matter. Suffice to say that the glory days of the OS are lost in the sands of time. The world has moved on.

This new machine will either be running a completely different or seriously upgraded OS. If that new OS provides POSIX APIs and other interfaces that are important, it might see a new community of ported software. But if it's the old Amiga OS API, why would anyone want to develop for a proprietary OS with zero market share?

Wind is filling in the footprints that the Amiga trod in the sands of time. Soon there will be nothing left but dunes. All that's left is a brand name.

Amiga History References (1)

msobkow (48369) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813064)

I found a couple of very nice write-ups on the history of the Amiga out there:

The History of the Amiga [amigahistory.co.uk]
AmigaOS - Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]

The Amiga 500 was released to the public at the January 1987 Consumer Electronics Show. The Macintosh 128K was released to the public January 1984. Just in case anyone thought I wouldn't give credit to the first commercialization of Xerox PARC's research.

Re:Amiga History References (1)

Pence128 (1389345) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813520)

The Amiga 1000 was released in July 1985. The 500 was a cost cut version.

Re:Amiga History References (1)

beanpoppa (1305757) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813878)

The Amiga 1000 (the first Amiga) was released with 256k in the Summer of 1985. It had preemptive multitasking, and 4096 colors, and 4 channel, stereo sound while the Mac was peddling along with black and white. It truly leap-frogged the Mac in every respect, except for the business and marketing sense of those in charge.

Not British (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37813068)

Carl Sassenrath was born in California, not in Britain.

Re:Not British (1)

msobkow (48369) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813078)

Really? Here all these years I thought it was a UK Master's thesis project.

I'm glad you mentioned his name. The original reason I was searching the Amiga history pages was to try and remember his name so I could give him a little credit and maybe find out what he's doing today.

Could someone please mod parent up so people know who the creative mastermind behind the OS was?

Re:Not British (1)

msobkow (48369) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813494)

A friend of mine corrected some misunderstandings on Facebook.

AmigaDOS was actually based on a Motorola 68000 port of an earlier effort called TRIPOS [wikipedia.org] .

TRIPOS was originally developed started in 1976 at the University of Cambridge in the UK. The M68000 port that became AmigaDOS was at the University of Bath, also in the UK.

So if Carl Sassenrath was born in California, he must have been a student in the UK.

Once you start down the rabbit hole of computing history, you soon realize that no matter how creative you think you are, someone probably came up with idea first.

Re:Not British (1)

davidgay (569650) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813602)

AmigaDOS was the shell / file system component of the whole AmigaOS, not the core of the OS. Not sure what fraction I'd call that (maybe 10%?). And yes, that part was based on TRIPOS. The core was Exec (message passing, threading, scheduling, memory allocation, etc), which is the bit written by Carl Sassenrath.

David Gay, who spent a lot of time programming his Amiga 1000/2500...

No thanks (4, Interesting)

Cloud K (125581) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813054)

I recently said on another story's comments that brands are important because you can tell known good stuff from bad, but that some just abuse the fame of a brand (which got to where it was by being great) to produce overpriced crap.

The new Amiga is one of those cases.

Go on, how much will this Atom based netbook be... £1500? No thanks. Frankly, shove it.

Re: $300-$500 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37813430)

A related forum post says it's estimated to be between $300 and $500. As far as I know Atom isn't supported by AmigaOS.

Re:No thanks (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813448)

Its not even that, its a 800 Mhz PPC microcontroller. SO you have a Power PC thats not compatible with the 68000 chips the original systems were based on with a 3rd party "re-vision" of how Amiga OS would have developed (it runs like a junky linux desktop from 1997)

As a computer its lame
As an Amiga its incompatible
As Amiga workbench, its FLTK with amiga icons and borders

and yes it will cost a pile of money, the older PPC desktops did as well (with all of above), if you could find someone to even make one

Re:No thanks (1)

christurkel (520220) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813498)

If you read the TFA you would have seen it will be around 300 pounds. Probably something like the LimePC which is a PowerPC laptop. You can't run the AmigaOS on x86.

Re:No thanks (1)

fnj (64210) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813752)

300 pounds!!! Jesus. That's not luggable by anybody except the incredible hulk.

ok (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813128)

What problem is this solving?

Re:ok (2)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813424)

The problem is that the hard core Amagia users that never let go AND (this is the important part) still want their system in a modern world need to have their wallets relieved from that stress.

Listen I love my retro computers, they are great machines that still manage to do amazing things. But I am not under an Illusion that a totally different arch, with 3rd party developed software is the real thing. Amiga PPC is.

Why not rebrand AROS and throw it on there? (1)

seandiggity (992657) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813142)

AmigaOS has already been cloned and improved, and the driver support doesn't seem half bad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AROS [wikipedia.org]

I'm not saying a netbook with an obscure OS would sell, but at least all they would have to do is slap some Amiga logos on there and push the product out, rather than resurrect software that is long-dead.

68xxxx CPU? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813146)

If not, its not really a "portable Amiga". Instead its yet another PC running a remake of a classic OS with a microscopic market.

( and of course it isn't... )

Re:68xxxx CPU? (1)

Bambi Dee (611786) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813484)

PowerPC... if I'm not completely confused, even the classic Commodore Amigas could be souped up with those (OS 3.x/AGA generation, anyway?)

Re:68xxxx CPU? (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813838)

Commodore never sold a single Amiga with a PPC processor. They did sell Amiga's with x86 processors on board though. Dos could be run inside of a window on the Amiga with the proper setup.

It's time for Hyperion to Stop. (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813154)

Enough already. It's time to stop dragging the Amiga name down. Open source the OS and free it. Quit trying to revive it as a competitive proprietary OS. It should have been freed back in the 90's, it's past time now.

It's called AROS (1)

dammy (131759) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813574)

There has been a open source version of AmigaOs in development since the late 1990s and it has several distro like: http://www.icarosdesktop.org/ [icarosdesktop.org] AROS runs on x86, x86_64, PPC, M68000 and ARM (hosted).

Re:It's called AROS (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813610)

It's not an open source version of AmigaOS. It's a reimplementation of the Amiga API's sort of. There's no Amiga codebase in it. Basically they're writing something that works like the Amiga OS on X86. It's cool but it's a work in progress with no end in sight.

Oh wow a 800Mhz PPC (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813160)

Power PC with a custom rom and dreadfully slow in this day and age, probally will cost 2 grand, as we have seen before in PPC Amiga's... which are non functional with the real deal amiagas.

Gee, where do I sign up to be fucked over?

Finally! (0)

mykie242 (2449478) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813194)

I'm just glad that Amiga enthusiasts are finally able to leave the basement, untethered by the power socket, able to enter the world and see the sun, and spread their wisdom among us...

...on second thought, I've changed my mind. Kill this thing with fire, and lots of it.

Let it die already. (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 2 years ago | (#37813524)

I was an Amiga user from 1989-95. I accepted that the Amiga platform died in the mid 90's and moved onto Window and from there to OS X.

The Amiga platform was amazing for its time but we are now in the 2010's. Nobody except crazy nut jobs want to use 20 year old technology. Let the Amiga platform rest in peace.

I was part of a local Amiga user group that had the developers behind "Amoeba Invaders" and I hosted the user meetings after the local Amiga dealer went out of business. Move on people. It is dead. It is really dead and not just pining for the fjords.

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