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Nokia Unveils Its First Windows 7 Phone

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the elop-continues-to-have-wonderful-ideas dept.

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mikejuk writes with an excerpt from an I Programmer article: "Nokia has just launched the Lumia 800, its first Windows 7 phone, and it is basically a modified N9. CEO Stephen Elop said: 'It's a new dawn for Nokia.' He also called it 'the first real Windows Phone,' and said, 'We believe it is the first ever instantiation of the Windows Phone platform that properly embodies, complements and amplifies the design sensibilities of Windows Phone' ... It is being launched in Europe now but the US wont see one until early 2012." By "modified N9" they mean the N9 but running WP7 bundled with Nokia's navigation application and a streaming music service.

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alphabet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844148)

Thank god for that, I was really feeling the Windows Phone was missing the letters K and A from its branding. :)

Why ignore US? (2)

sunr2007 (2309530) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844184)

I dont understand why dont nokia launch in US also? The biggest smartphone market is in US with probably largest no of users. With Europe in deep crisis ,i think it will be hard to gain traction in it . Is nokia strategy flawed in ignoring US Holiday season?

Re:Why ignore US? (1)

Nick Fel (1320709) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844226)

Isn't Europe traditionally a stronger market for Nokia? Or perhaps they're hoping to sell a few more N9s before replacing it.

Re:Why ignore US? (1)

Rob Y. (110975) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844314)

Why on earth did they release the N9 at all? Wasn't that just released last week? Unless they're hedging their bets on keeping Meego alive, why would they want to confuse the market that way?

Re:Why ignore US? (1)

phishtahko (1308293) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844546)

They probably had a contract with Intel that they had to release at least one product featuring Meego.

Re:Why ignore US? (0)

sourcerror (1718066) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844256)

"With Europe in deep crisis ,i think it will be hard to gain traction in it."

I'm not sure it's deeper than US. Do you remember the debacle about raising the US debt ceiling?

Re:Why ignore US? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844888)

The whole debacle about raising the US debt ceiling was a completely manufactured "crisis" caused entirely by the Republicans and the Tea Party, and their idiotic brinksmanship (and complete ignorance about what the debt ceiling even represents... hint, it has nothing to do with authorizing NEW spending) was the entire justification for the recent US Downgrade.

That was ridiculous, entirely political, and had very little to do with our actual economy or its state. It was more about our politics, and how disfunctional they are (with one party purposely making them as disfunctional as possible, and the other party not organized enough or assertive enough to actually fight back effectively).

Re:Why ignore US? (2)

WolfgangPG (827468) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844260)

Nokia apparently isn't well known in the US and is very well liked in Europe. It makes sense to me they launch in Europe first and then come to the USA.

Also none of there currently announced phones have a Front Facing Camera (FFC). FFC is a new hot marketing bullet point in the US and they probably want to release phones with FFC in America (HTCs and Samsungs new WP7 phones have FFC). There was rumored to a 4.3 inch Nokia phone with FFC that will launch in the US in Q1 2012.

Overall -- solid phones, nice Nokia software IMHO, but just another quality phone, nothing amazing. Might have the best camera on the cellphone market though.

Re:Why ignore US? (1)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844616)

Nokia was a big player in the US about 10 years ago, but they didn't advance like their competitors so they have pretty much been forgotten. They tried to advance with meego to advance I guess, but I don't think I've ever even seen an actual meego phone outside of internet videos.

I've got my doubts about them placing their eggs in the WinMO basket. I've had a number of wince/windows mobile phones. The MS phone OS was fine back in the CE days when they were pretty much the best you could get for smartphones, but these days Winmo is behind the curve and carries with it a name that doesn't instill feelings of trust in most people's minds (Microsoft).

I'm no industry expert, but imho this product can't be as successful as Nokia needs it to be.

Re:Why ignore US? (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844620)

Uh... I had a front facing camera about 5 years ago on an N70. The N9 also has a front facing camera, so it's pretty likely that the Lumia has one.

Just 'cos the iPhone waited until version 4 last year to add a front camera, doesn't mean the rest of the world went without.

Re:Why ignore US? (2)

Nursie (632944) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844646)

No wait, I rolled out the snark early, they have removed it for the Lumia. Which is retarded.

They really are on the path to self destruction.

Re:Why ignore US? (2)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844272)

The biggest smartphone market is in US with probably largest no of users.

[citation needed] The US is no longer biggest in many things. That's what happens when other countries with huge populations start getting their own "middle class". 300,000,000 people is just a teenie tiny fraction of 7 billion. I dare you to visit Latin America, Africa or Asia and see exactly how many "smart phone" users there are in those markets.

Re:Why ignore US? (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844584)

I would say US may have the largest market of potential new buyers as many have dumb phones. In Europe and Asia, there is a lot of current smartphone users but they may or may not be willing to switch so easily. It appears that the strategy Nokia has employed is going after these new buyers. As for Latin America, Africa, I'm not sure of the data network coverage.

Re:Why ignore US? (4, Insightful)

captainpanic (1173915) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844350)

Europe has a higher population than the US... and even higher than all of North America. And almost all Europeans can afford a smart phone.

And our crisis doesn't hit the customers so much... It's a lot of noise from the banks and governments... and the Greeks seem to be on strike permanently now. But that's just 1 country out of many. I thought that it was the US, rather than Europe, where customers couldn't pay their own bills anymore, and where houses went up for sale becaus the mortgage was too much? That doesn't happen much over here.

Re:Why ignore US? (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844458)

And almost all Europeans can afford a smart phone.

Yes, for sufficiently low values of all. Here in Southern Europe salaries are low (and dropping) and unemployment is rampant. Everyone has a cellphone, but a smartphone? Not really.

Re:Why ignore US? (1)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844604)

Europe has a higher population than the US... and even higher than all of North America. And almost all Europeans can afford a smart phone.

Even those in Eastern Europe? Perhaps conditions have improved since the fall of communism quite a bit more than I've thought....

Re:Why ignore US? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844808)

Even those in Eastern Europe? Perhaps conditions have improved since the fall of communism quite a bit more than I've thought....

Yes, they did.

Re:Why ignore US? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844898)

The fall of communism was 22 years ago. Time to wake up, buddy.

Re:Why ignore US? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844914)

I'm from Poland, and yes - things have improved a lot, but I wouldn't say _everyone_ can afford a smartphone... at least not a high-end one. Still, just a bit more to the east and things start to get worse fast :-P

Re:Why ignore US? (1)

cbope (130292) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844974)

Yes, even Eastern Europe. Growth there is substantial compared to the rest of Europe, but that's mainly because they started from basically zero.

Re:Why ignore US? (2)

ryzvonusef (1151717) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844356)

They aren't but to penetrate the US means working with Carriers, that's why Nokia hasn't said anything.

However, According to the blog "ThisIsMyNext" Elop said they will be coming to the US "early 2012"[1], along with LTE and CDMA support. Also they spotted a Verizon employee[2], so the might give a clue.

[1]: http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/26/nokias-windows-phones-coming-early-2012/ [thisismynext.com]
[2]: http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/26/verizon-staff-spotted-nokia-world/ [thisismynext.com]

Re:Why ignore US? (1)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844364)

The US accounts for ~100 million smartphone sales, about the same as Western Europe IIRC. I'd say that at least putting it on AT&T is better than nothing; at least in that case they wouldn't need to add a CDMA radio.

Re:Why ignore US? (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844524)

The US accounts for ~100 million smartphone sales, about the same as Western Europe IIRC

The problem is only about one percent of those sales are in the windows 7 ecosystem according to figures I've read.

Its like trying to release a new flavor of Nutella... Its mostly going to sell to current customers... so do you do that in Italy or Wyoming... I'm thinking... not the US.

Re:Why ignore US? (1)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844658)

The problem is only about one percent of those sales are in the windows 7 ecosystem according to figures I've read.

Its like trying to release a new flavor of Nutella... Its mostly going to sell to current customers... so do you do that in Italy or Wyoming... I'm thinking... not the US.

I was under the impression WP7 sales were just as terrible in Europe as in the US. Am I mistaken?

Re:Why ignore US? (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844934)

Yes, you are mistaken. They are even worse.

Re:Why ignore US? (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844660)

What is that with "putting it on AT&T" or "available on Verizon" all the time? Why not just putting it for sale in the shops, like in the rest of the world? With those stupid contract lock-ins you never get a vibrant market. Like in Hong Kong where on average people have a new phone every six months. That means they can sell four times as many phones per number of population than the US where you're stuck for two years each time.

This may also be a reason for Nokia to ignore the US market for now. Only people at the end of their contract may buy their new WP7 phone. Other markets without that lock-in all users are potential customers.

Re:Why ignore US? (1)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844802)

One reason it's "only on AT&T" is that AT&T is GSM while Verizon is CDMA. The two technologies are incompatible, and unless you want each phone to also have a CDMA radio (which is pretty much only used in the US and in another form Japan, IIRC), it's AT&T /T-Mobile only.

What really sucks is that even an unlocked phone will not reduce your monthly, unlike most other places. I would love for that model to be here.

Re:Why ignore US? (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844470)

I dont understand why dont nokia launch in US also? The biggest smartphone market is in US with probably largest no of users. With Europe in deep crisis ,i think it will be hard to gain traction in it . Is nokia strategy flawed in ignoring US Holiday season?

There are so many patent and copyright issues that have to be analyzed with the finest tooth comb ever.

It may miss the holiday shelves here.

Re:Why ignore US? (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844592)

US is in a worse crisis than Europe. Just look at the EUR/USD rates: even though there's a very serious financial crisis looming in Europe, the Euro is still very strong. That indicates very clearly in how bad a shape the US economy is at the moment. Oh and besides Europe is way bigger than the US when it comes to population.

Re:Why ignore US? (1)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844688)

Exchange rates aren't always a good indicator of strength. For example, the Latvian lat is stronger than the euro, but Latvia's economy is in the doldrums.

Re:Why ignore US? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844902)

Nokia pulled out of the CDMA market back in 2006, due to the spat they and Qualcomm had back then.

Biggest player in the USA uses CDMA. You can still get Nokia Phones on AT&T, T-Mobile..

Sad really, as they used to make the best phones.

Why Windows? (1)

Demoknight (66150) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844248)

Anyone have any insight into why Nokia went with WP7 instead of riding the Android bandwagon? Wouldn't Moto be it's only "classic" competitor in the Android phone market?

Hmmph.

Re:Why Windows? (2)

marcello_dl (667940) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844310)

It's a long term strategy. Basically Nokia wants to sell itself to MS or some other group at bargain prices.

Or, at least, this is what the current schizophrenic tactics of its management suggest.

Re:Why Windows? (2)

morcego (260031) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844318)

Who cares ? At this point in time, after so many bad decisions on top of each other, Nokia is the new Caldera.
Expect to see it start suing other companies left and right to try and keep afloat. It won't happen rightaway, cause they still make alot of money on non-smart phones, specially in 3rd world countries, but it will happen sometimes in the next 3 years or so.

Re:Why Windows? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844352)

They most likely went with WP7 because Elop was a Microsoft executive. So he already had connections with MS and knew how it would be to work with the company.

Re:Why Windows? (1)

Eponymous Coward (6097) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844618)

It's the other way around. Nokia wanted insider access to Microsoft and so they hired Elop.

Re:Why Windows? (5, Insightful)

gstrickler (920733) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844362)

Two major factors:
1. Nokia's CEO Stephen Elop [wikipedia.org] was a senior exec for M$ prior being hired as Nokia's CEO
2. M$ offered ~ $1B in incentives to Nokia.

Re:Why Windows? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844466)

Hah, the Lumia name confirms that they are Microsofts bitches now - http://www.wordreference.com/definicion/lumia

Re:Why Windows? (0)

acoster (812556) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844762)

Wow, people still call Microsoft M$.

Re:Why Windows? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844890)

Not really people. Just raging man-children. It's a useful sign that you can stop reading.

Re:Why Windows? (3, Insightful)

_|()|\| (159991) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844426)

Anyone have any insight into why Nokia went with WP7 instead of riding the Android bandwagon?

Nokia Has a Billion Reasons To Love WP7 [slashdot.org] .

Re:Why Windows? (2)

phishtahko (1308293) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844580)

No insight needed. Elop said Google didn't want to give them any input/advance info into Android and they had no way to differentiate properly with it. MS gave them input into WP and they feel they have a bigger chance of differentiating with it.

Re:Why Windows? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844602)

Elop says they will be free to contribute to the development of WP7, more than they would under Android. Also, they'll be the only real WP7 player.

Re:Why Windows? (4, Interesting)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844838)

No offense, but Elops says a lot of things. Most of them are utterly stupid, like bitching about symbian that has carried a company through last year, and is still growing in spite of CEO telling everyone who bothered to listen to him how much it sucked.

Want a recent example? Nokia unveils it's new phones. Stock jumps up.

Elop steps on stage and starts talking. Stock plummets.

I'm not kidding. It's hilarious just how bad of a speaker he is.

Re:Why Windows? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844664)

Because other OEMs are giving their all on android, fierce competition. Nokia will be the only one doing so on Windows Phone.

Re:Why Windows? (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844736)

Anyone have any insight into why Nokia went with WP7 instead of riding the Android bandwagon? Wouldn't Moto be it's only "classic" competitor in the Android phone market?

I expect Nokia rigourously weighed up all the technical merits of every competing smart phone operating system and then chose Windows Phone when Microsoft waved a big wad of money under their nose. It makes little sense for any other reason.

Nokia has gone from providing the entire user experience, software and hardware to being just another pretty phone that runs Microsoft's operating system.

Re:Why Windows? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844770)

Anyone have any insight into why Nokia went with WP7...

Self loathing?

Re:Why Windows? (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844800)

Take a look at the nice horse on the top.

Meh (3, Insightful)

DrgnDancer (137700) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844250)

it doesn't stand out. There's nothing in the announcement that isn't something already available on Android and iPhone. Apple and the Android vendors can afford to play games where they leapfrog each other than catch up, then leapfrog again... They're established names in the market and people want an iPhone, a Droid, or A Galaxy as much because they like the brands as because they do something the other guy doesn't. To jump into the market this late in the game Nokia/Microsoft need something new, something to pull people away from their established preferences.

Re:Meh (0)

Haxagon (2454432) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844548)

There's a lot of differentiating factors. Cards, local scout, interior maps, integration of many outside services, live tiles, MS services connections, great voice control, Metro UX, most unique to the platform.

Re:Meh (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844638)

"MS services connections" is not likely to get me to draw my wallet....

Re:Meh (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844670)

I think the original plan was for Nokia to design and release something special. But then they realized that would take 18 months and they would get further behind. So instead they are doing a quick release to get something into the market while working on larger ambitions.

Re:Meh (0)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844684)

WP7 comes with, from the face of it at least, a quite different UI. That's what makes it interesting to me. Whether that UI is better than Android/iOS (in that sense Android is just an iOS clone) I don know - the fact is that MS came up with a different idea is interesting enough. I wonder what good bits Apple and Google will learn from it for their next versions.

Re:Meh (2)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844866)

It doesn't really have to:
- Nokia is very well connected with carriers, so they should get shelf space and deals with no problem
- most Nokia users are quite happy with the quality, if not features, of their phone. Nokia should have easy sales there
- Hero phones and oddballs don't really sell that much. The latest commodity smartphone (not Apple then ^^) to have a huge success is the Galaxy S 2. It really doesn't have outstanding specs, except maybe for its camera. It's its a well done, light, solid phone, that's it. I'll be getting a Galaxy Note soon, but everyone thinks I'm crazy.

Boottime is 5 min, most functions disabled? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844274)

Or is it not the starters' edition?

Sorry, disappointed customer here - starters' edition is such rubbish that I got rid of it.

-- Vote this -1 if you're a windows fan :-)

To stave off the obvious... (4, Informative)

ryzvonusef (1151717) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844286)

Here is a comparison:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/26/nokia-lumia-800-vs-nokia-n9-the-tale-of-the-tape/ [engadget.com]

Also, 4 S40 cellphones (The Asha series) and another Budget WP7 (Lumia 710) cellphone were also announced, and discreetly, a white version of the N9 was also displayed.

The way the N9 was displayed. it was almost like Nokia was embarrassed or something, most sites didn't even notice it was there.

Re:To stave off the obvious... (1)

impaledsunset (1337701) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844448)

Or because Microsoft was embarrassed that Nokia was still selling it?

2002 called and they want their... (4, Interesting)

samjam (256347) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844288)

So... Stephen Elop calls it 'the first real Windows Phone'

I thought this was the first windows phone: http://www.dcviews.com/press/Orange_SPV.htm [dcviews.com]

Orange was a Microsoft Gold Partner, and I wrote the Orange custom home screen software complete with easter-egg while working for Orange in Leeds.

Now I learn it was all just a dream... it wasn't a REAL windows phone at all... or maybe Elop is too young and inexperienced to remember recent history... ah well..

Re:2002 called and they want their... (4, Funny)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844480)

Life is always so hard when you suffer from a compulsion to take marketing hyperbole literally. I suggest you avoid the TV and radio. If you hear commercials for two different products in close succession both claiming to be the best at the same thing your brain might explode. I can only hope you've already taken the safety precaution of blocking all ads on in your browser.

Re:2002 called and they want their... (1, Funny)

samjam (256347) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844644)

I absolutely block all ads.

I even blocked your post, so I'm replying blind, and I hope the context fits!

On a serious note, you have just made the same point I was making; it's nice that we agree.

Re:2002 called and they want their... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844816)

That's not "Windows Phone". That's a phone running something called "Windows CE".

Can it be re-flashed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844292)

I wonder if it could be flashed with meego/harmattan instead? Or would they have modified some part of the hardware to prevent that?

Re:Can it be re-flashed? (1)

alexandre_ganso (1227152) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844508)

why would you want it? the hardware is actually inferior to that of the n9 in several aspects.

This is the stupidest headline ever (1)

Haxagon (2454432) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844340)

What the hell is a Windows 7 phone? The competitor the the Android google, and Phonei?

Re:This is the stupidest headline ever (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844666)

I think the correct name would be a "Windows CE 7.0 phone". Am I right?

Re:This is the stupidest headline ever (1)

Pentavirate (867026) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844956)

No you're not.

Why do they pulish their first nail? (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844366)

Why do they pulish their first nail, in the the infamous non-Appple/non-Android mobile phone market coffin?

However fine the N9 was, however fine this new one end up beinf, I guess it is too late. The market share for the software is not there The hardware perspective is not really there any longer.

It is all about the software, or, as it is perceived today, the "apps".

Whoever wins the apps, wins the market.

So, sorry Nokia, too late. Again!!!

Re:Why do they pulish their first nail? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844460)

"Whoever wins the apps, wins the market."

Too Right!
a bot net handler app and a spam gen app will drive this thing right to the TOP!
the top, I tell ya!

Re:Why do they pulish their first nail? (2)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844544)

Yeah, except Meego can run Android apps [meegoexperts.com] . The problem is that Nokia is obviously uninterested in any OS besides WP7, which is a shame.

Long Game, that could be a spike not a nail (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844848)

Why do they pulish their first nail, in the the infamous non-Appple/non-Android mobile phone market coffin?

Look more carefully. That sharp point you see is not a nail, but a spike - aimed straight at the heart of Android.

If every device maker has to may Microsoft to make smartphones anyway, why NOT move to supporting WP7? The device makers care only about selling phones, not devices.

Consumers that are purely into buying phones for apps will buy an iPhone. Consumers that consider Android generally (and here I'm not speaking of highly technical users) just buy one because they want a "smartphone". So it will be easy for Microsoft to gain traction in sales once they start pushing.

Longer term though, Microsoft is doing a VERY good job to set themselves up for a healthy application ecosystem in the future. I am an iPhone developer currently, but if I see the need to support another platform in the future my next most preferred would be WP7. They have good tools and they are of course anxious to please application developers.

And silence.... (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844380)

Flagship Phone but
Single Core.
Small screen same size as the iPhone but much lower pixel density. AKA resolution.
Not available in the US before Christmas.
Pros:
It is pretty.
Could have an outstanding camera.
The display is good but is it better then the iPhone4 display? I don't know.
In other words compared with the iPhone 4s and the Samsung Galaxy SII family that are already shipping it is lagging. WP7 Mango isn't terrible but it too is already start to "continuing to" lag behind IOS and Android.
So this flagship device is roughly as good as the $99 iPhone4 or a $99 Android handset but without the app catalog.
Really just not thrilling to anyone that isn't a Nokia or WP7 fanboi.
In other words it is a base hit but the other team has a 20 point lead and it is the top of the 7th inning.

Re:And silence.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844528)

"continuing to" lag behind IOS and Android.

Funny but I see IOS and Android enhancements (future releases) that are already part of the WP7 core with no extra need for apps, etc.

Re:And silence.... (1)

alexandre_ganso (1227152) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844612)

examples would be welcome.

Re:And silence.... (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844856)

I think that the AC is referring to WP7 integration with some services like FB. It's a mixed blessing. Yes you don't need a separate app like FB to do simple things like post a picture on FB; however, you can't do anything more complex or different than the scenarios outlined so you need to get the FB app. That defeats the purpose of the integration if you get the app. Same thing with twitter.

Re:And silence.... (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844768)

So this flagship device is roughly as good as the $99 iPhone4 or a $99 Android handset but without the app catalog.

Where you get those phones so cheap? Last time I checked my fairly low-end LG P-500 model, one year old now, is currently selling at about USD 150 each. Haven't seen much cheaper Android handsets so far. I paid about double for it, when it was just released. The iPhone 4 is retailing here for more like USD 500 each.

Re:And silence.... (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844928)

I am using US carrier plus contract pricing.
If you want I restate it to "a new flag ship phone that is roughly the same as last years IOS and Android phones".
 

Re:And silence.... (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844958)

He's giving subsidized prices. Everyone imagines that phones cost anywhere from free to a few hundred dollars - i.e. the deposit on a phone from a carrier. Just like houses only cost 5% of their listing price.

Re:And silence.... (2)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844938)

How is their single core, lower resolution screen phone as good as a dual core, high res iPhone 4? Maybe you meant the 3GS.

It sounds like they're two generations behind now.

Not quite "the same" (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844398)

The Lumina 800 is not merely "the N9 running WP7" but an entirely different device. Don't forget that Microsoft still dictates the internals of these devices, making them all identical internally with small external gimmicks and case the only differentiation vendors are allowed.

I'd still rather buy an N9.

Re:Not quite "the same" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844500)

Actually it's pretty much the N9 with less RAM and a slightly better processor.

Re:Not quite "the same" (0)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844896)

One of the advantages of having a proper OS - you need less RAM for OS overhead.

Microsoft dictates minimum hardware (1)

Quila (201335) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844630)

To make sure you don't get things like the earlier ultra-sluggish Android phones which makes for a very poor user experience.

But any modern mid-range phone hardware meets the minimum specs.

Re:Not quite "the same" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844964)

I was hoping internally they'd be identical internally so I could buy one subsidized in the U.S. and just flash Meego onto it.

DejaVu (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844422)

I just had a Zune DejaVu.

Modified N9? (4, Informative)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844452)

By "modified N9" they mean the N9 but running WP7 bundled with Nokia's navigation application and a streaming music service.

By "modified N9" they also mean the different chipset (Qualcomm MSM vs TI OMAP), the different screen size (3.7 inch vs 3.9 inch), different bands (quad band vs pentaband), different WiFi channels (b/g/n vs a/b/g/n), different NFC capability (none vs something), different RAM (512MB vs 1GB) and different storage (16GB vs option of 16GB or 64GB).

But yeah, apart from all that, they are the same device!

Re:Modified N9? (4, Funny)

king neckbeard (1801738) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844668)

But they have the same shape. If you've been paying attention to lawsuits, you'd know that shape is pretty much the only real factor in phones.

Re:Modified N9? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844904)

yeah, nothing of the same in it. radio chip(s) seems different too(quad vs penta).

but the polycarbonate shell is the same.. so.. eh.

Who cares ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844522)

In Mr. Jobs Biography, Nokia isn't even mentioned once!

Nokia? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844556)

R.I.P. Nokia.

Name says everything (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844628)

Lumia means prostitute in spanish: http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3&LEMA=lumia [spanish language dictionary]

"Lumia" is spanish for ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844642)

"Lumia" is spanish for "whore" or "prostitute", great sense of humour, Nokia :)

Jobs and Ballmer In One (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844698)

Kevin Shields seemed to start off trying to be like Steve Jobs and then switches to full Ballmer mode:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgYyWnrveO4

Unfortunately form him, he comes of looking like a complete moron. During his attempt at a profound silence he looks like he's utterly bored and imitating Ballmer is only going to make you look like an idiot at the best of times.

This guy gets the award for worst presentation style ever.

$500 dollars, fully subsidized? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844700)

just kidding

Lumia? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844794)

In Spanish, lumia means prostitute... great marketing strategy for Nokia-Microsoft and 400 million of potential users.

Royal Spanish Academy: http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3&LEMA=lumia

Brave New World indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844834)

'It's a new dawn for Nokia' ???

I would rather use the word twilight instead of dawn.

And it isn't hard to envision the nightmare the MS/Nokia ecosystem will be: paranoia rampant, Ballmer breathing down your neck, completely closed access to everything tighter than a Medieval chastity belt, Big Brother listening/reading in to every convo or message, have to commit firstborn and pay in blood for any permission to develop even an icon plus having to forfeit 99% of the earnings thu their exclusive and closed distribution channel. Good grief....

same style but not an n9 (1)

Sir_Sri (199544) | more than 2 years ago | (#37844930)

The lumina 800 isn't even the same size and an n9 let alone the same phone

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/26/nokia-lumia-800-vs-nokia-n9-the-tale-of-the-tape/

They are: Different sizes, use different processors (one clocked 40% faster than the other), different internal storage (factor of 4), different radio antennae (one is penta band, one quad), one has 1 gig of ram, the other 512.

I'm guessing, since they're the same thickness that there's some parts overlap, but it looks like on the important stuff they are completely different.

Darn I used to like the N9 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37844946)

Top Gear James May Voice "What they've done here is take a Porche 911 Turbo, pulled out the engine and put in a washing machine"

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