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RIM PlayBook Email App Nowhere In Sight

samzenpus posted about 3 years ago | from the hits-keep-coming dept.

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judgecorp writes "RIM has delayed the 2.0 release of its tablet's Playbook OS until 2012, and admitted it won't have the BlackBerry email app. PlayBook users will only be able to do BlackBerry email on their tablets by linking with a BlackBerry phone, for the foreseeable future."

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Umm.... (2)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | about 3 years ago | (#37848146)

So, a Blackberry without email? Seriously?

Re:Umm.... (1)

Palshife (60519) | about 3 years ago | (#37848202)

Been that way since day one. Seriously. I can't imagine how they've sold even one of these things.

Re:Umm.... (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 3 years ago | (#37848320)

Yes but the promise was it would be corrected in an update due sometime summer 2011. That has pased, the update has been pushed back, but the mail functionality isn't on the update list anymore.

Re:Umm.... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#37848348)

How?
A basic email client in something that a couple guys could crank out in a month. That is being pretty generous, too. I can't imagine the messenger is any more complicated.

Re:Umm.... (1)

MichaelKristopeit419 (2018878) | about 3 years ago | (#37848708)

yeah, because building a client side piece of software to spec is the same as upgrading a proprietary single user hardware encrypted distribution network to support multiple devices.

you're an idiot. that is being pretty truthful.

a couple of guys could call you an idiot for a month. you'd still be an idiot.

Re:Umm.... (1)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | about 3 years ago | (#37848800)

You're being a bit harsh to the guy; he's got a valid point. RIM should have the resources to this. Yeah, they got this new OS, new hardware and a ultra-secret secure messaging system. Isn't it all documented; at least internally? Then they should be able to build it. They promised that the device was capable and that it was coming.

Maybe not two months for an independent firm to build, but certainly RIM should have been able to do this themselves in a year.

Re:Umm.... (0, Troll)

MichaelKristopeit418 (2018864) | about 3 years ago | (#37849082)

the devices' capabilities are irrelevant as the problem is with the distribution network designed with security in mind to sync user messages to single devices via realtime hardware.

you're an idiot.

Re:Umm.... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#37849152)

Don't feed the trolls.
The ever increasing number behind his name should clue you in.

Re:Umm.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37849356)

funny he replied with one less than before after you said increasing! he showed you!

anon because I troll modded him too!

Re:Umm.... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#37849462)

Thanks for telling me, he posts so low I don't see him. I had to do the expand thing when someone commented on his comment.

INSERT HIS CATCHPHRASE HERE

Re:Umm.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37848744)

It's because their email system has to be certified as secure for their various corporate users. I'm sure it's not the coding it part that is taking so long, it's regressing all the bugs and making sure it meets the various ridiculous security requirements (which their phones already meet).

Re:Umm.... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#37848796)

So maybe use more standard methods?
IMAPS, SMTPS, Activesync, etc.

Then run full hardware crypto on the storage.

Re:Umm.... (2)

icebike (68054) | about 3 years ago | (#37848928)

That and encrypt every message.

It probably is taking this long distributing all the backdoor decryption keys to the various governments around the world.

Re:Umm.... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#37848936)

Seems simple enough, PGP.

I bet this is just a product of their being a big old stuffy bunch of empty suits.

Re:Umm.... (1)

narcc (412956) | about 3 years ago | (#37849828)

This is still false. RIM can't give the keys for BES users because they don't have them. Neither RIM nor any government can access that data for users on BES.

Re:Umm.... (1)

icebike (68054) | about 3 years ago | (#37849900)

If you use your own BES, perhaps.
But most consumers don't.

See:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/08/12/blackberry-idUSN1213222020100812 [reuters.com]

This is where governments are demanding access. They are not worried that Ford or Boeing or
Tata Motors employees are plotting terror events. They are worried about consumer devices
running on Rim's own network and servers.

If you are unaware of this, you haven't been paying attention.

Re:Umm.... (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 3 years ago | (#37849120)

Well, you can always use webmail :). Since it has Flash, it'll give you True Web Experience(tm)!

(Unfortunately, like the HP touchPad, it runs Flash all the time...).

As for BBM, apparently the problem is that BBM makes the assumption of one PIN per member, and I don't think Playbooks have PINs (and now you have a problem of two PINs if it's also linked to a blackberry). BBM being an extension of what used to be "free" messaging by PIN that goes all the way back to the original mobitex blackberries.

Re:Umm.... (1)

sarhjinian (94086) | about 3 years ago | (#37849438)

PlayBooks have PINs, but you're right that a large part is the one-user-one-PIN model that BBM, as well as BIS (commercial email) and BES (enterprise email+collab), use.

That, and the code that supports it is probably pretty crufty---so much so that they cancelled the BBOS VM that would have been an easy way to run these apps on the PlayBook. It's the same problem that keeps delaying their QNX-based phones: getting a messaging infrastructure that's rickety, old, secure as hell and run on the same stuff for nearly a decade, over to a whole new platform without losing the "secure" and "managed" bits that basically are BlackBerry's reason to exist versus ActiveSync-equipped devices.

Re:Umm.... (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | about 3 years ago | (#37848350)

I'm stunned. I've already predicted RIM's eventual demise as they get crushed, Night At The Roxbury style, between iPhone and Android.

But this makes me think I need to review my RIM Intrade strategy right sharpish.

Honestly, couldn't they at least ginned up some quick webmail app or something? Playbook's got a browser, right?

Corporate Malfeasance (1)

AdamJS (2466928) | about 3 years ago | (#37848890)

The managers and CEOs really seem like they don't have a clue, and are stuck living in the "Blackberry dominated past"-mindset.

Re:Umm.... (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 3 years ago | (#37849014)

But this makes me think I need to review my RIM Intrade strategy right sharpish.

What, you didn't buy puts on RIM LEAP's when they announced their QNX strategy?
 

Re:Umm.... (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about 3 years ago | (#37849162)

I did. The day before their last earning release. $27.5 Sept puts went up 5.5x in 18 hours.

Re:Umm.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37849150)

*head*desk*

I can't honestly figure out why any tablet other than the iPad sells at all. They're all terrible devices. Even the iPad is borderline questionable.

These two points mean it can't replace a PC/MAC:
- No keyboard (requiring use of soft-keyboards), so much for users that prefer tactile response
- Software being not full featured, and lacking the secondary storage space to really do serious work on them.

And these two points mean they don't work as a eBook reader:
- Limited battery life (oh good god the Kindle Fire is going to have a high return rate when they realize it's not "an iPad")
- Screen's are not bright enough for video with power saving on, but too bright to be used outside, the e-INK technology is fantastic for "book" devices, but only book devices, not video, not comics, not text books.

So what exactly is the Playbook? Or most Android tablets?
- Not a tablet
- Not a phone
- Not a PC

They're nothing but an internet thin client/terminal. And without the 3G radio, they're stuck being used in the same places you can use a laptop. The only point the iPad has over all these other devices is that "it's effectively a larger iPhone" that works with the exact same software. Microsoft can't even get this right. You can't run any WindowsCE/WindowsMobile phone software from when PDA's were hot stuff before smartphones. Microsoft completely blew it, they could have owned the market had they around 2003 made higher demands of the guys selling the devices.

I have "the best" PDA available before PDA's morphed into smartphones: http://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.grp?lg=en&section=1&group=223&product=3690&category=
4" LCD screen 480x640 (When most PDA's were 240x320, and IMO illegible)
WiFi, Bluetooth
SD-card, Compact Flash
128MB ram

All PDA's prior to this model, used RAM for both primary and secondary storage, everything after that started coming with NAND secondary storage, which was expensive at the time. Still, the fact that I had two expansion slots meant that I could pop a GPS or my camera into it, and email photos via the internet.
You can't do this with the iPhone or iPad, because you can't plug full size SDXC cards or compactflash into it, nor can you expand the internal storage with SDXC or CompactFlash.

Ultimately it got thrown in a box never to be seen again because:
- 4 hour battery life
- WiFi/Bluetooth radio no longer works

I have yet to come across a tablet device that can replace it, and ultimately I'm waiting for Apple to either compromise and put a SD-card slot on the device itself or for Canon to make bluetooth/wifi standard on their cameras and camcorders. I think we're more likely to see the latter. Right now the "iPhone" and similar android phones with cameras are eating the low-end of the camera market because 8MP is more than enough to not carry a second device, plus you get GPS geolocation, and the ability to email your pictures right away. An iPhone is not going to replace a DSLR, but good god why doesn't a camera company license android and make a "smartcamera"

Re:Umm.... (3, Insightful)

sarhjinian (94086) | about 3 years ago | (#37849470)

I can't honestly figure out why any tablet other than the iPad sells at all.

And this is why most geeks' take on this market is worth nothing.

You listed a bunch of hardware features. Most people don't care. Most people just want a device that works well and doesn't require them to fiddle or futz around. The iPad does this really, really well, and that's why it's sold---actually sold to end-users, not stuffed into a channel---millions and millions of units.

That geekdom can't or won't appreciate the "works well/no fiddling" part is why, eg, RIM is in deep crap. Their only saving grace is BBM which, ta-daa, requires hardly any fiddling and works really well.

Re:Umm.... (1)

narcc (412956) | about 3 years ago | (#37849812)

Well, it DOES have email through BlackBerry Bridge. This actually makes a lot of sense. See, if I'm deploying tablets in an enterprise where I already have BlackBerry phones deployed, I have to do nothing except drop off a stack of tablets.

Any user who grabs one has instant access to their calendar, contacts, email, and files. If they pass the tablet off to a coworker, their info is gone, and the new user has access to all of their data.

In the enterprise, discouraging the use of native email (you can still use one of many third-party email programs) you can deploy tablets with ZERO management overhead. If you lose a tablet, it's not a problem -- your data is safe.

As an added benefit, users can very easily share tablets. A sales staff, for example, could set a stack of playbooks by the door and let traveling personnel grab one on the way out. In a few seconds, they have everything they need on the tablet!

Of course, the morons in the press didn't think for half-a-second about WHY it didn't include native email. I guess they missed all that whole "BlackBerry, Amplified" promo material.

Wow this is major fail (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 3 years ago | (#37848168)

It's one thing to rush out a product incomplete. It's another to be so incompetent that you can't fulfill the promises that were made.

Re:Wow this is major fail (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37848422)

They should have never released the PlayBook to begin with. Have they learned nothing from Palm Foleo?

Re:Wow this is major fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37848438)

It's one thing to rush out a product incomplete.

Exactly; I mean Microsoft and Apple have been doing it for years.

Re:Wow this is major fail (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 3 years ago | (#37848550)

Not having certain features at release is not the same as releasing a product supposed to have (and promised to have) certain features. "It didn't have cut and paste but they didn't promise it" vs "It will have BBM and email and contacts but not right now . . . oh never mind about BBM."

Re:Wow this is major fail (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#37849286)

Not even iOS and WP7, on their respective first releases, missed a piece of functionality so crucial as an email application.

Re:Wow this is major fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37849530)

If that is true then show us one single time in the past 10 years where Apple announced a product release ahead of time with promised features, then didn't deliver.

Hell, I could have stopped that sentence at "where Apple announced a product ahead of time" and you'll still have a very very tough time at it, since they simply do not do that.

But show us where they promised a device with features, then the shipping product did not have those promised features.

Just one

Re:Wow this is major fail (1)

1729 (581437) | about 3 years ago | (#37849630)

If that is true then show us one single time in the past 10 years where Apple announced a product release ahead of time with promised features, then didn't deliver.

Apple demoed OS X Leopard at WWDC 2007 (?), where Jobs claimed that the new Time Machine application would allow backups to hard drives attached to Airport Extreme routers. This feature wasn't available when Leopard shipped. Only after many months and many complaints did they finally live up to their word and allow Time Machine to be used with AEs, and not just Time Capsules.

Need a translation (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about 3 years ago | (#37848176)

What's Canadian English for, "They're f*cked" ?

Re:Need a translation (3, Insightful)

pburghdoom (1892490) | about 3 years ago | (#37848214)

"They're F*cked, eh"

Re:Need a translation (1)

Sable Drakon (831800) | about 3 years ago | (#37848616)

Beauty post, eh?

Re:Need a translation (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37848232)

Nortel ?

Re:Need a translation (1)

margeman2k3 (1933034) | about 3 years ago | (#37848280)

"They're f*cked eh?"

Re:Need a translation (4, Insightful)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | about 3 years ago | (#37848472)

"They're hosed"

Re:Need a translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37848854)

mod up

Re:Need a translation (1)

Sable Drakon (831800) | about 3 years ago | (#37848656)

I believe it'd be something along the likes of 'They're aboot fucked, eh?'.

Re:Need a translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37848716)

The arse has gone right out of her.

Not surprising... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37848186)

Is there anything you CAN do on a playbook without an attached Blackberry, other than turn it on and use the backlight to read books on actual paper?

Re:Not surprising... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 3 years ago | (#37848302)

Well, it does have a web browser, so Gmail should be good to go...

Re:Not surprising... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37848308)

Dude, there are tons of things you can do with a Playbook without an attached Blackberry. It makes an excellent oversized coaster or underside plate. A little string and some glue and it makes a nice hat. If you have a cat or very small dog it can be used for a nice kittie/doggie door. It also works as a mediocre paperweight, a very small and crappy snowboard, an extremely shallow ashtray, or a top quality piece of garbage. Seriously, I can barely even think of anything you can't do with a Playbook.

Except for tablet computing. It doesn't do that.

Re:Not surprising... (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | about 3 years ago | (#37848662)

I wish I had mod points. This is so true.

Re:Not surprising... (1)

roscocoltran (1014187) | about 3 years ago | (#37848462)

Maybe it's the whole purpose of this lack of apps: To make you captive from the blackberry. They might think that the tablet fashion can lead to more blackberry sales ? don't know, just trying to explain some really bad strategy...

Well fuck. (2)

drunkennewfiemidget (712572) | about 3 years ago | (#37848226)

I bought my playbook on the premise I'd be able to actually fucking USE it for something soon.

So now it will continue to sit on my desk ignored and unused.

Anyone wanna buy a playbook?

(I know, hell of a sales pitch.)

Re:Well fuck. (1)

couchslug (175151) | about 3 years ago | (#37848412)

"I bought my playbook on the premise I'd be able to actually fucking USE it for something soon."

That's why I'm a LATE adopter. Everyone else should beta test so I can learn from their experience.

Re:Well fuck. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37849658)

I bought one at 60% off last week so was cheaper and better than equivalent Android. plus a bunch of free accessorices.

It leaves to wonder what they will do with it. . If they basically sold under 1 million, are they going to provide the new BB OS that will be on Tablet 2.0 to us current owners? Will there be Android compatability. There's a lot of dark cloud hanging over this. Still happy with the table given the price I paid.

I think RIM is a bit of a joke lately. I own a BB as well. Its like the expression. "Its a wait and see. I waited and I saw. I waited no more" They risk alienating their customer who care most of them succeeding. I do partly because I'm Canadian and friends of friends work there.

Not important (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37848230)

"Email is not important [yet]", remarked RIM co-CEO Mike Lazaridis, "It is certainly not something at RIM has focused on in the past. When e-mail catches on you can be sure that RIM will be at the forefront."

DOA (1)

WaterDamage (719017) | about 3 years ago | (#37848248)

RIM??? They still wasting revenue chasing their proprietary pipe dream? I have 3 letters for them: D.O.A.

Re:DOA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37848766)

What exactly is DOA (Dead on Arrival)? The playbook? The update to the playbook's software? RIM itself can't be DOA, as its been around for a while. They don't describe a victim as being dead on arrival when its clear to everyone that he simply has incurable terminal cancer.

Its a little late to call the playbook DOA. Unless you are a really late responder. Even then a mortician can't arive on the scene of a police shoot out a month later and proclaim the victims to be DOA.

I actually RTFA... (4, Informative)

delirium28 (641609) | about 3 years ago | (#37848262)

And they provide a link to the official blog [blackberry.com] , where it clearly states that the delay is for BlackBerry Messenger, *not* the enterprise email app. They simply don't mention anything about enterprise email there at all.

Re:I actually RTFA... (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 3 years ago | (#37848482)

Maybe this part of the blog says it:

The software update will add advanced integrated email, calendar and contact apps, a new video store, as well as new functionality that will allow your BlackBerry smartphone and BlackBerry PlayBook to work together even better.

To me it's not clear whether you will finally get separate email and contacts or whether you will still need a BB smartphone.

Re:I actually RTFA... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37849080)

It's all because BBM is tightly tied to internal elements of the cell phone network, and introducing WiFi and a completely different network infrastructure requires them to refactor the existing server infrastructure, and architecture, which they can't manage to keep running, the way it is. What do you think really caused those outages? My guess is network backbone software upgrades (called "Routing" in their speak, but which is really the BBM server side code) gone pear-shaped.

W

Re:I actually RTFA... (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | about 3 years ago | (#37849414)

Riiight. Care to actually elaborate on this alleged tight integration with the cell network?

Developement Cycles (0)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | about 3 years ago | (#37848326)

Here we see the classic development methods and cycle failing to produce the correct work on time. If they would skip the code reviews and strict programming practices they could get products turned out a lot faster.and at better quality, this is why agile methods are so much better, more work get produced, faster and less time is spent playing with your self over documentation.

Re:Developement Cycles (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37848446)

(You probably already understand this). Their rational is that their market prefers stable software to new (ooh shiny) software, so they have adopted a development model that they believe will produce more reliable code.

Re:Developement Cycles (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37848530)

Here we see the classic development methods and cycle failing to produce the correct work on time. If they would skip the code reviews and strict programming practices they could get products turned out a lot faster.and at better quality, this is why agile methods are so much better, more work get produced, faster and less time is spent playing with your self over documentation.

I will note in your summation of agile methods that the METHODS are "so much better", not the resulting code. Which I guess is true so long as "meeting arbitrary deadlines" is your sole determining factor of the quality of a method.

Re:Developement Cycles (1)

captaindomon (870655) | about 3 years ago | (#37849486)

I can tell you wrote that comment in an agile fashion, as quickly as possible, without pausing to review, edit, or even spell check it.

Re:Developement Cycles (1)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | about 3 years ago | (#37849534)

No, I wrote it because thats the truth. But you just showed the fall of traditional method's, document the problem but not actually fix anything :-).

Out of curiosity... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 3 years ago | (#37848332)

At this point, would it be fair to describe the Playbook as the "RIM Foleo [wikipedia.org] "?

Re:Out of curiosity... (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about 3 years ago | (#37848808)

No, it was fair to call it the Foleo when it was released. Now, you're just late. Its like deciding to declare the Roman empire to have fallen. Its not false, just not current news.

Bye Bye Rim (2)

EmperorOfCanada (1332175) | about 3 years ago | (#37848364)

RIM keeps blah blahing about having billions in revenue. Revenue is great but profits are the only thing that matter in the end. RIM is probably one quarter away from being profitless. Then they will have to cut to the bone.
The best laugh I had was where they got this skateboarder type who was developing some "Rad" app for them. This was a baby boomer interpretation of being youthful. They might as well had they guy developing from on top of a surfboard.
RIM is following in the footsteps of Novell, and Word Perfect. Once they lost growth and market domination the end came far more quickly than you would have thought.
What I am waiting for is this moment when they realize that their numbers are so awful that they will be instantly ruined. This might be when they pull a Nortel and start cooking the books. Minimally I predict they will start noodling the books to the maximum allowed by the loosest of accounting standards. Hiding costs and somehow booking future revenues now.

Re:Bye Bye Rim (1)

fat_mike (71855) | about 3 years ago | (#37849442)

I hope they go out of business. We are forced to use them if we want access to enterprise mail/calendar/contacts etc and the standard security policy is to not allow us to install apps. Not even the ones that came bundled with the phone, NOT EVEN THE GPS APP!! It took three weeks to get approval to get that installed. It doesn't help that the phones are just crap to begin with. I replaced my Tour with a Bold with the touchpad and the store swore to me it had OS 6 on it. No it didn't and it bricked itself installing one of the "approved" company apps. I did the whole hook rigamarow to get it back up and working and guess what! Magically OS 6 appeared and about $50 of the apps that I spent hours trying to get approval to install that I purchased myself don't work! What's even better is that Blackberry's App Store (once the OS is upgraded) refuses to acknowledge that you already paid for the apps once and you get to pay for them all over again! Plus about half of them didn't work with OS 6!!!! I freaking hate RIM.

PlayBook Fire Sale (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37848500)

Perhaps there will be a PlayBook Fire Sale some time in the future. The difference with the HP TouchPad Fire Sale is that you will probably be able to pick up a few PlayBooks once you found out about it a couple of days later.

I was lucky enough to get a $149 TouchPad and love it; if I have it "off" and the power button flashes every now and then, it's usually new e-mail that arrived. And you can't do that on a PlayBook?!

Disclosure: I am Canadian so I used to be proud of RIM. Whoever is making the decisions there needs to be ousted ASAP.

Re:PlayBook Fire Sale (1)

Sporkinum (655143) | about 3 years ago | (#37848940)

I just got my Fire Sale Touchpads I ordered a couple of months ago, and I have to say that WebOS is awesome. HP really shot themselves in the foot with getting rid of them. At $250-$300 they would have sold a ton of them. They were too much at iPad pricing levels though.

There is a rumor going around though, that they may keep making them, but put Windows 8 on them instead.

Re:PlayBook Fire Sale (1)

ThorGod (456163) | about 3 years ago | (#37849032)

Yes, I can see how owning a no longer supported by anyone tablet with an OS with NO FUTURE is preferable to an "also ran" that still has a company behind it.

Re:PlayBook Fire Sale (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37849720)

Yes, I can see how owning a no longer supported by anyone tablet with an OS with NO FUTURE is preferable to an "also ran" that still has a company behind it.

We just saw WebOS updated from 3.0.2 to 3.0.4, as well as new apps hit the "App Catalog" regularly. That being said, I'm happy with it and the $149 is written off in 3 years at 50/year. Let's see what fabulous Android or Windows 8 tablets are available in 2014... and just maybe a RIM branded one (though it won't be running BBX or whatever).

Where in the article does it say no email? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37848518)

The Article only mentions no BBM in OS 2.0, but alludes to email being tied into BBM (which is not)
if you read the Blog that this article links to:

"We believe BlackBerry PlayBook OS 2.0 will deliver a great experience for our customers, building on the powerful performance introduced with BlackBerry PlayBook tablet earlier this year. The software update will add advanced integrated *email*, calendar and contact apps, a new video store, as well as new functionality that will allow your BlackBerry smartphone and BlackBerry PlayBook to work together even better."

RIM is hopeless (1)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | about 3 years ago | (#37848566)

Honestly, I put up a semi-brave fight in controlling the inflow of iDevices into our org because the security functions and management were weak. In hindsight, I was stalling for the Playbook to come and save the day.

The Playbook is a piece of shit, and mostly due to the lack of e-mail support. The fact that a subsquent release still won't have this, shows me that RIM has no fucking clue.

Thanks to them, I've had to re-evaluate our approach in regards to iDevices and put the controls in places. Stuff that I could have dodged had RIM not been as arrogant and actually listened to their clients and looked at what made the iDevices so appealing.

Anyways, the things we put in place for the iDevices will serve us well, but it's things that wouldn't have been necessary if I could use the same operational model with the BB. And to be honest, I no longer care. Heck, I even have an iPhone as my main phone now. Working on a pilot to give staff the option to use personal smartphones in a controlled manner. So the BB days are numbered in our org.

Seriously?! (1)

thadog (907798) | about 3 years ago | (#37848630)

Why don't they just give up already?

Re:Seriously?! (1)

SpiralSpirit (874918) | about 3 years ago | (#37849476)

the CEO and the board feel they can loot a fair bit more money in bonuses and severance pay before jumping ship and letting someone else try and loot money by disassembling the company a la HP.

A Sticky Wicket (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | about 3 years ago | (#37848722)

Well that's a bit of a sticky wicket now isn't it?

RIM deserves . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37848752)

. . . to follow Nokia into the fiery depths of corporate oblivion.

Simply Not True (2)

Mofassa (975528) | about 3 years ago | (#37848754)

RIMs official blog post on their website that is linked to states "bring our...email integration capabilities to the tablet category." Only BBM is being delayed with no view in sight. http://blogs.blackberry.com/2011/10/blackberry-playbook-2-update/ [blackberry.com]

Re:Simply Not True (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | about 3 years ago | (#37849628)

Except in April, they said they'd have the email client in 60 days: http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/15/rim-playbook-email-client-very-very-soon-3g-model-this-summe/ [engadget.com]

Re:Simply Not True (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37849926)

The fact that they even released a tablet with NO E-mail client in the first place is just un-excusable.

I hope the company falls hard for being stupid, you don't release something without basic functionality missing or disabled and promise it'll be there later. Just wait.

I think the xoom is still waiting for the SD slot to be activated and Flash player to be released like it was promised and listed in the specs at launch, just plain sloppy.

Article Inaccurate (2)

ShadowFlyP (540489) | about 3 years ago | (#37848790)

The arrival of Playbook OS 2.0 has been put off till February 2012, according to a blog post, which also revealed that the new version will not contain the long-awaited BlackBerry Messenger (BBM) application, which would allow Playbook users to access BlackBerry email without hooking up to a BlackBerry phone.

Whoever wrote this article doesn't understand the difference between BBM and email. RIM has said that BBM is delayed out of the Feb. release and has said nothing about email. BBM and email are two different things.

Re:Article Inaccurate (1)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | about 3 years ago | (#37848878)

True, some corps (at least ours) only care about BBM, this is why we got the BB to begin with. If they're not offering it on the Playbook as a standalone soon, then they may as well not bother.

And you're right, it didn't say anything about e-mail. That's not a good omen either.

To be honest when I think of BB, BES = BBM = e-mail. Regular unsafe e-mail doesn't even enter in the picture. That's 95% of its use in our org.

Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong - it will have email (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37848794)

What a stupid post! It is BBM (Blackberry Messenger) that will be missing in the Feb release. Full email will be in the release. Perhaps slashdot should read things they post links to!!!!

Re:Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong - it will have email (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37849054)

you must be new here.

seriously tho, slashdot is falling apart at the seams: apart from the obvious slashvertisments and apple stories there is very little worth visiting this sorry site for anymore.

if rim are heading into oblivion then /. is close behind. very sad.

Re:Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong - it will have email (1)

delirium28 (641609) | about 3 years ago | (#37849076)

They did this time, unfortunately. It was eWeek that actually says that BBM == enterprise email.

"...revealed that the new version will not contain the long-awaited BlackBerry Messenger (BBM) application, which would allow Playbook users to access BlackBerry email without hooking up to a BlackBerry phone."

playbook user right here (1)

ThorGod (456163) | about 3 years ago | (#37848996)

Yes, there isn't a native email application...but who cares? Browse to whatever webmail you're using and you're fine.

(Of course that doesn't work if you're not using something with a web front end. But even my old alma mater has a web front end for its email and it's got 1500 students.)

Re:playbook user right here (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#37849314)

The point of an email app is so that it can sync message bodies while you have connectivity, and read them when offline (e.g. on the plane). Also, notifications for when new emails come up. Synchronization with contact list in the device. And so on, and so forth... webmail is not an adequate replacement.

Web app not good enough (1)

unimacs (597299) | about 3 years ago | (#37849412)

Messaging is supposed to be RIM's forte. You would expect the Playbook to not only have a messaging app, but one with compelling features the others don't have, -whether their security related or otherwise.

A web app, which more than likely was designed primarily for desktop use, is a poor substitute.

When the iPhone first came out, a lot of people in our office wanted to be able to get their Lotus Notes email on it. IBM promised a native client, but it never came (not really their fault). What did happen though was the addition of ActiveSync compatibility with the iPhone email client. This let a lot of other email systems like Gmail and Exchange in the door. Unfortunately, there's still hoops to jump through to get Notes to sync with an iPhone (or Android device). Guess what email system will probably be gone in the next 6 months?

Notes does have a smart phone optimized web app and it's not bad, but it's not as good as using the native app.

Re:playbook user right here (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | about 3 years ago | (#37849472)

Yeah, because webmail is such a wonderful user experience, even on a full size screen with a mouse and keyboard where it's DESIGNED to be used.

Seriously, not having an e-mail client is inexcusable and "just use webmail!" is about as silly as when Jobs said "just use web apps!" Except Jobs was either kidding or realized his mistake and fixed it.

Not sure what the problem is (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37849088)

Ok so I'm a bit confused why it is such a problem that the Playbook doesn't have it's own e-mail features. The Playbook is an enterprise device that connects to your existing ecosystem Blackberry devices and controls. On the less enterprise side, there's no e-mail configuration needed as it gets it all from your phone, or syncing or any of that stuff. If you don't have a Blackberry, then you probably don't want the Playbook right now--it doesn't mean it's a piece of junk. Because your other brand tablets don't integrate with anything doesn't make that integration bad.

That all being said, the other features of 2.0 will be cool.

-m

Re:Not sure what the problem is (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | about 3 years ago | (#37849488)

A Playbook isn't a tablet, it's a bigger screen for your Blackberry. Except it's SOLD as a tablet, and it's trying to compete against tablets that can actually function without another device.

You seem to confuse "integration" and "dependence."

Incorrectly tagged (1)

Sez Zero (586611) | about 3 years ago | (#37849156)

I believe the "facepalm" tag is missing from this story.

Re:Incorrectly tagged (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#37849324)

It was a facepalm back when they first released PlayBook in its current shape. I don't know how this can be described by now, other than saying that BB seems to be paying meticulous attention to tying the noose right before kicking off the chair...

As a developer, I can say ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37849234)

This company is truly pathetic if it can't whip out a silly email client. We are talking MAYBE a weekend for a team of developers to save a company some serious egg-on-face.

Waiting for the $99 blowout during bankruptcy (1)

Al in SoCal (2372960) | about 3 years ago | (#37849268)

Guess we have to wait until RIM files for BK before this loser of a tablet goes for what it's worth - about 99 bucks. Though better than HP's but not by much. Same messed up path that HP went down - wrong OS, wrong features, wrong everything.

All Wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37849302)

Does no one vet these stories? It's getting as bad as BGR...

The BBM is not the Email app!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37849418)

BBM is the chat application of Blackberry, the article is wrong.

Email IS coming, read the press release. (2)

therapyreject (1582611) | about 3 years ago | (#37849484)

The linked site states "the new version will not contain the long-awaited BlackBerry Messenger (BBM) application, which would allow Playbook users to access BlackBerry email without hooking up to a BlackBerry phone." That isn't what BlackBerry Messenger does, the linked site is full of crap and has no clue what they're talking about. OS 2.0 will have email, but no BBM. Read the press release. http://blogs.blackberry.com/2011/10/blackberry-playbook-2-update/ [blackberry.com]

Coffin nails (1)

poifull (2300450) | about 3 years ago | (#37849536)

Coffin nail number 1: the dying BlackBerry
Coffin nail number 2: PlayBook
What's going to finish RIM?

Short Sellers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37849636)

Who knew so many short sellers were also Slashdot commenters.

As long as they keep giving out free tablets @ GDC (1)

b0r1s (170449) | about 3 years ago | (#37849868)

As long as they keep giving out free tablets to developers at GDC, they can delay it as long as they want.
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