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HP Keeping Their PC Business

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the keeping-the-baby dept.

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First time accepted submitter yourlord writes "Hewlett-Packard Co. has decided to keep its PC division. So says its newly appointed CEO Meg Whitman. Whitman, the former eBay chieftain, categorically rejected a plan offered up by her predecessor, former CEO Leo Apotheker, to either sell or spin-off this division. HP announced the decision after the close of financial markets today."

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First Post from an HP (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37862384)

Woo I am awesome

Re:First Post from an HP (1)

pyronide (2440046) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862420)

The AC would have said more in his post, but the PSU/AC Adapter in his hp went out... again...

Re:First Post from an HP (3, Informative)

LinuxIsGarbage (1658307) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862504)

The AC would have said more in his post, but the PSU/AC Adapter in his hp went out...

      again...

Are you sure it wasn't the defective nVidia chipset blowing out again after being sent in twice already for repair?

Re:First Post from an HP (1)

pyronide (2440046) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862646)

no no no. He has lost the PSU three times already, and just the experience gained by that led to a very swift diagnosis.

Re:First Post from an HP (1)

Rakarra (112805) | more than 2 years ago | (#37864200)

Are you sure it wasn't the defective nVidia chipset blowing out again after being sent in twice already for repair?

Ugh. That happened to mine too.

The sad thing is it was a defect across entire models. It doesn't matter how many times you had it repaired, it'll blow out again, because it's impossible to fix the heat issues.

What sucks is that they offered refunds for one laptop model, but not for my model, despite a 92-page thread on their forums from owners of that model saying "yeah.. mine has this problem too. Video chip burned itself out."

WebOS (2)

rhook (943951) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862396)

Does this mean that they will be reviving the TouchPad?

Re:WebOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37862456)

Talk about social engineering. I guess they figured the TouchPad was a non-commodity and so everyone bought it and so now they can hook those users with software.

Re:WebOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37862524)

I hope the rumors circulating of Windows 8 testing on the Touchpad are true. I'd love for that ROM to leak and have Windows 8 on my Touchpad.

Re:WebOS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37863026)

Have fun writing all your own applications, stupid.

Re:WebOS (1)

eminencja (1368047) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862462)

> Does this mean that they will be reviving the TouchPad?

And not licensing the WebOS to vacuum-cleaner manufactures?

I was hoping the same thing but... (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862598)

Richard Kerris is leaving HP [webosroundup.com].

I am not sure if the head of developer relations would leave if there were a future for developers there. At the very least WebOS is on shaky ground, because of that but also because consumers now will be wary of HP products... but perhaps enough "average" consumers never even knew what happened and so would buy new WebOS gear anyway.

Re:WebOS (1)

vikku (79699) | more than 2 years ago | (#37864148)

The Personal Systems Group includes multiple business units including Palm (Hardware), WebOS, Desktops, Notebooks, Monitors etc. HP will retain the Personal Systems Group (Leo wanted to spin it off as a separate business). But there is no plan to announce a revival of HP touchpad or the Palm hardware business unit.

Re:WebOS (1)

swalve (1980968) | more than 2 years ago | (#37865020)

Does that include all desktops, or just the consumer "Pavillion" ones? Because the HP Deskpro line is so much different from the rest I often wonder if they are produced in a different group.

Re:WebOS (1)

fragMasterFlash (989911) | more than 2 years ago | (#37864884)

WebOS has proven itself capable of running well on ARM based silicon. Considering certain other OS vendors won't even let you touch a device running on ARM yet I think WebOS is worth more than most people suspect. It is a shame that the one of the few PROVEN iOS alternatives is already experiencing bitrot thanks to HP.

Re:WebOS (1)

gtall (79522) | more than 2 years ago | (#37866338)

"Considering certain other OS vendors won't even let you touch a device running on ARM"

I give up, which OS venders don't let you touch a device running on ARM? MS? Windows 8 is reputed to be ARMed. Apple? Snapdragon base, ARM arch.

Re:WebOS (1)

fragMasterFlash (989911) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868388)

Windows 8 is reputed to be ARMed.

The only public event featuring Windows 8 so far was the Build conference in September, and all demo ARM devices were kept under glass with a strict no touch policy. The fact is that no one who isn't bound under NDA has actually touched an ARM powered Windows 8 device.

Re:WebOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37865642)

god, I wish, but if they do they need to take it to a Linux distro based on Ubuntu and let webos just die.

Re:WebOS (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#37866590)

Given that they've already fired the hardware team responsible for the TouchPad and Pre3, it seems unlikely. Now they're stuck with an OS that they don't have any hardware for and no one else wants to license. Which is a shame, because the TouchPad is really nice hardware and WebOS is the first tablet OS I've used and not hated (it's far from perfect, but it's definitely going in the right direction).

Re:WebOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37866748)

Personally I think I'd like to see it sold to Amazon. I'm no lover of Amazon but they're moving into the tablet market and probably one of the only companies that'd be able to bring the support and user-base.

It is a great OS but the lack of apps kills it for me. I've been running the alpha 2 release of CyanogenMod on my Touchpad since it came out. Mainly because there's no decent eBook readers on WebOS (ironically :-D ). Really miss the Cards every time I hit the home button though :-(

Next Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37862400)

The Touch Pad will return with hybrid WebOS and Android support. Ok maybe not, but pipe dreams are awesome.

Who... cares? Is this a good thing? (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37862440)

They make crap laden with bloatware and unnecessary background applications running incessantly, phoning home and creating all manner of 'functionality' that nobody can turn off, short of wiping the damn thing.

They are perhaps the very WORST PC VENDOR in this regard.

Deciding not to get rid of their PC division is probably a money-making course, but it's not worth celebrating.

Re:Who... cares? Is this a good thing? (1)

zonky (1153039) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862482)

Their Business Desktops are actually pretty decent. The Probook 5310m/5320m line make awesome Linux laptops, SSD, 3G inbuilt.

Re:Who... cares? Is this a good thing? (2)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862554)

I popped an Ubuntu CD in one and after about 20 minutes was rewarded with a fine running laptop loaded with goodness. Problems like that are so easily solved.

Re:Who... cares? Is this a good thing? (1)

swalve (1980968) | more than 2 years ago | (#37865024)

Put that live cd on a USB key, it will boot faster.

Re:Who... cares? Is this a good thing? (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | more than 2 years ago | (#37865552)

Put that live cd on a USB key, it will boot faster.

*What* live CD? You honestly think it took *20 minutes* to boot from a live CD?

I'm pretty sure that amiga3d was talking about installing it to the HD.

BTW, I can confirm that the OS install that comes on a new Pavilion is indeed loaded with all manner of "monitoring"/"easy$verb" apps that are either simply useless or, worse yet, duplicate (and often interfere with) standard Windows components, and thus it's generally best suited for overwriting with $your_preferred_linux_distro as soon as you can get it home (or at least a fresh Windows installation, please--Windows 7 is not really that bad, until OEMs start overlaying it with their garbagewares).

After that, and with the addition of a cooling stand, you've got a pretty decent machine.

Re:Who... cares? Is this a good thing? (3, Insightful)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862586)

Who cares about such crap? I formatted my HP laptop without even booting the preinstalled copy of Vista.

In terms of what really matters - the hardware and price - it's a nice machine for what I paid.

Re:Who... cares? Is this a good thing? (1)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862638)

...but it's not worth celebrating.

Yes it is. Now I don't have to find out the name of the company that will take all of the assets and practices, change nothing, and keep doing the exact same crap because it's profitable as hell and the average end user is ignorant.

Re:Who... cares? Is this a good thing? (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#37863380)

It's not really all that profitable. On a $500 laptop they make like $25 in Operating Margin (after everything is paid). They just sell a whole lot of them.

Re:Who... cares? Is this a good thing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37864540)

I guess your right if you compare it to selling ink cartridges, 5% could be a lot more if they cut their own salaries but, wait.. oh I see now. Yeah let's keep it. (oh and fire that guy who came up with this stupid idea.)

Re:Who... cares? Is this a good thing? (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 2 years ago | (#37865594)

It's not really all that profitable. On a $500 laptop they make like $25 in Operating Margin (after everything is paid). They just sell a whole lot of them.

So it's profitable.

Re:Who... cares? Is this a good thing? (2)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862982)

They make crap laden with bloatware and unnecessary background applications running incessantly, phoning home and creating all manner of 'functionality' that nobody can turn off,

I have a Probook 4530s that I am extremely satisfied with. As regards the crapware, I simply camped out in Programs and Features for about 1.5 hours as I read a book, and now have a clean setup. Some of those programs are actually pretty nice too, like the ability to see battery level at the EFI boot screen, and the baked in miniature Linux-based fast-boot OS (though I havent used it really at all).

And given how cheap it is for a really nice laptop (mine was under $500), it seems kind of odd to complain about the bloatware. Why do you suppose the prices are so low? Are you willing to pay $50 more for a crapware-free pc (if so, please give me a call, I will happily clean your PC for you remotely for $50--it really doesnt take that much effort). Also keep in mind that you are probably buying consumer laptops, which pretty much universally (Lenovo, Acer, Sony, Toshiba, HP, Dell) come loaded with crap. If you want a crap-free pc, you can cough up for the higher-end business models, and get a much nicer build to boot (Dell Latitudes, etc).

Re:Who... cares? Is this a good thing? (1)

SmurfButcher Bob (313810) | more than 2 years ago | (#37864110)

> Are you willing to pay $50 more for a crapware-free pc (if so, please give me a call, I will happily clean your PC for you remotely for $50--it really doesnt take that much effort).

If that's what your time is worth, you really aren't qualified to be touching any machines we buy.

Re:Who... cares? Is this a good thing? (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 2 years ago | (#37864874)

$50/ hr (most of it spent reading) equals $2000/ week, $8000/month, $96000 a year.

You expect technicians fixing your computer to be paid more than $96k a year? Wow, your sense of proportion is all screwed up.

And for the record, liking computer work as much as I like reading, it really isnt that big a deal to do computer work remotely whilst I read and wait for the uninstall process to finish.

Re:Who... cares? Is this a good thing? (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#37864906)

Question: Is the fast boot Linux Expressgate? Because if it is you really ought to spend some time playing with it, its pretty fun and nice. I don't know if it is the same on the HP but my Asus Expressgate has a really nice appstore, it has around 100 free and pay radio stations (easy to sort by free or pay), a nice bookstore for eBooks, games, and a pretty zippy Chrome browser. It will also play any of the media off the HDD but of course that uses more battery than just using the web.

As for TFA I think its gonna take a hell of a lot more than not selling the PC business to right that ship. HP hasn't really been innovative in awhile and even when they have a killer product they have NO clue on how to capitalize on it! I mean have you seen their Brazos based all in one, its brilliant! Just about the perfect housewife or small office PC, its thin, light, doesn't use hardly any power, nice bright 20 inch screen, dual core with a Radeon chip, and all for around $300. They should crank these babies out in a few different screen sizes and advertise the hell out of them! Hell they even have built in WiFi and are brain dead simple to set up!

No just keeping the PC division isn't gonna help, what they are gonna need is someone to actually RUN that PC division with some vision and a brain!

Re:Who... cares? Is this a good thing? (1)

Billlagr (931034) | more than 2 years ago | (#37863742)

HP Printer drivers. 'nuff said.

Re:Who... cares? Is this a good thing? (1)

Aryden (1872756) | more than 2 years ago | (#37864194)

Touchpad... I hit print from the browser, it saw my 12 year old HP printer and printed no questions asked. Win in my book.

Re:Who... cares? Is this a good thing? (1)

metalmaster (1005171) | more than 2 years ago | (#37864722)

Isn't HP in bed with MS in that regard? As in, any HP printer you buy will have a basic print driver loaded on plug-in to a MS Windows based machine

Re:Who... cares? Is this a good thing? (1)

Billlagr (931034) | more than 2 years ago | (#37864862)

I've found that generally, the shipped-with-windows driver can get you by for most printing, but if you have a multi-function and want to scan then it's the HP bloatware. Even on the models (I've used) with a web interface, they have a basic scan function through the browser, but anything else pretty much requires the install CD. Which then gives you not only drivers, but all the rest of the bloat, the background processes with totally non-descriptive names, the extra services (also with non-descriptive names), the 'Shop for Supplies here!' BS, the auto updater that calls home, and the rest. You can manually weed some of it out..but not all. If you try to uninstall parts, it bitches and moans that it is required for functionality (I don't think that HP Photosmart Essentials is a vital component, and I sure as hell don't want or need it. Same with the 'Solution Center'). At least that's my experience.

Re:Who... cares? Is this a good thing? (1)

swalve (1980968) | more than 2 years ago | (#37865056)

If you use Windows' built in fax and scan, you can get most everything working right without the bloatware. But yes, their drivers suck.

advertising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37862444)

I imagine Meg is sitting at the head of some huge conference table concocting a million ways of embedding advertising space into desktop OSes.

They should spin off any quality they have left. (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862476)

Of course that means they will be keeping their PC division.

They should sell their server division while it is still worth something.

HP as a brand is rapidly becoming radioactive.

Re:They should spin off any quality they have left (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862634)

I don't know. HP has been self destructing but looking back over Meg Whitman's career she seems to have the golden touch. Everything she ever worked on thrived. I think if anyone can save HP from itself it might be her.

Re:They should spin off any quality they have left (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862766)

I don't know. HP has been self destructing but looking back over Meg Whitman's career she seems to have the golden touch. Everything she ever worked on thrived.

That seems obviously false, unless you mean to imply that she didn't work on her own gubernatorial campaign.

Re:They should spin off any quality they have left (1)

swalve (1980968) | more than 2 years ago | (#37865080)

Didn't she have Carly Fiorina stinking things up for her, and making the "issues" of the campaign about Meg Whitman's hairstyle? If I'm Meg Whitman, I have been gunning for this job just to show up Carly.

Re:They should spin off any quality they have left (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37866072)

you have to be able to turn everything you touch into shit to win an election.

Re:They should spin off any quality they have left (1)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 2 years ago | (#37864966)

More like she is the classic example of the Peter Principle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle [wikipedia.org]. Left in the world of B$=PR she thrives, left in charge things don't quite go so well. Like most current CEO's more time well be spent on inflating CEO compensation and enhancing the golden parachute than on achieving results. HP gave away it's business for free by outsourcing and contracting, there is now no way to stave off the ODM direct to public sales growth and quite of few of those ODM make everything electrical and electronic. Digital product consolidation is reducing the number of products and of course branding and new digital household marketing and sales deals will do even more damage.

Re:They should spin off any quality they have left (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37862640)

not being a troll, I really want to know, which servers are worth something? I suppose their blade servers are pretty good. but certainly the whole itanium line is near worthless.

what is a gilent? (1)

Nethead (1563) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862510)

Maybe HP could come out with a line of high quality function generators.

Re:what is a gilent? (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862878)

They should start smaller. Perhaps a good quality bench DC power supply.

Re:what is a gilent? (1)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862920)

I wish they'd go back to making high quality calculators!

Re:what is a gilent? (2)

HornWumpus (783565) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862968)

Explaining the joke. HP was founded on one product. A bench DC power supply. They (H and P) came up with a clever use of a light bulb in their regulator circuit. The details escape me.

Re:what is a gilent? (1)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 2 years ago | (#37863338)

Explaining my reply to the joke:

HP started with test equipment, but at one time they made great calculators. So I'd be happy if they just went back to that point, I don't care about the test equipment.

Re:what is a gilent? (1)

tsotha (720379) | more than 2 years ago | (#37864024)

Do people use calculators anymore? Seems like most people have either a mobile handy or some flavor of computer. "Chemistry students taking tests" doesn't strike me as a very large market niche.

Re:what is a gilent? (1)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 2 years ago | (#37864278)

Do people use calculators anymore? Seems like most people have either a mobile handy or some flavor of computer. "Chemistry students taking tests" doesn't strike me as a very large market niche.

When I have a lot of numbers to crunch (not all test data comes from networked equipment), nothing beats a real live calculator for ease of use. I have an HP-48 emulator for my phone, but that's not the same. By far.

Re:what is a gilent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37865170)

When I have lots of numbers to crunch nothing beats carefully tuned parallel algorithms running on a stack of GPU's.

Re:what is a gilent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37865574)

When I have lots of numbers to crunch, nothing beats mathematics!

Re:what is a gilent? (1)

bored_engineer (951004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37865548)

Engineers and accountants tend to be fond of HP calculators. I keep several HP calculators in handy places here and there. I've met a few engineers that used other brands, but every group has its outliers. ;-)

Re:first HP product? (2)

zrakoplovom (1938894) | more than 2 years ago | (#37863718)

Explaining the joke. HP was founded on one product. A bench DC power supply. They (H and P) came up with a clever use of a light bulb in their regulator circuit. The details escape me.

No. The first HP product was an audio oscillator (the 200A). Used to make the movie Fantasia. The light bulb was used for negative feedback, its resistance changing as the current changed.

Re:what is a gilent? (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 2 years ago | (#37864600)

H-P's power supplies historically are crap. They had to buy out another power supply vendor, Harrison Labs, before they had anything to offer in that line that I would want on the bench.

Too little, too late (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37862562)

Can't wait to see how Carly 2.0 is going to run the company in to the ground. If her behavior during the California elections is any indication.. ..Imagine a train wreck. On a bridge. A wreck that causes both train and bridge to come crashing in to the bay, on top of a world class luxury cruise liner on it's maiden voyage.

And sharks. The bay is full of sharks.

(Read the preceding in Christopher Walken's voice for full effect)

Re:Too little, too late (1)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 2 years ago | (#37863250)

If you think Carly Fiorina and Meg Whitman are similar in executive style you couldn't be more wrong.

what a... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37862578)

shock.... Didn't see that coming.

I Called This one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37862600)

remembered that FunnyMailbox comment where I said This was a diversionary tactic? Called it.

Great decision (3, Insightful)

jgotts (2785) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862616)

As I said in an earlier post, HP needs their PC's to get leverage to sell their two strongest product lines, laser printers and inkjet cartridges. I have no use for inkjet cartridges, but every HP laser printer I've owned, from high end to low end, has been an absolutely solid piece of machinery.

Re:Great decision (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37862650)

HP needs their PC's to get leverage to sell their two strongest product lines...

I totally agree. HP has great vertical integration and can use that to their advantage with large companies who want to a single supplier for everything from their servers to their desktops.

...laser printers and inkjet cartridges.

Wait...what the fuck are you talking about? That's wrong on at least three different levels.

Re:Great decision (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37862872)

Eh? Do you mean that it's wrong for a company to have those as strong suits (it is), or that they're not HP's strong suits (they really are)?

I hope you didn't think he meant inkjet cartridges for in laser printers -- laser printers are real hardware you can make money selling, inkjet printers are almost universally cheap shit sold near cost, designed principally to sell ink cartridges (at, er, healthy margins).

Re:Great decision (1)

bhhenry (83946) | more than 2 years ago | (#37863302)

I guess you never owned a 5L.

Re:Great decision (1)

swalve (1980968) | more than 2 years ago | (#37865162)

It wasn't bad for the price of the time. Compare it to a Lexmark Optra E, and it is a winner. If only they hadn't used that awful plastic separation pad.

Re:Great decision (1)

stephanruby (542433) | more than 2 years ago | (#37863508)

And let me guess, you don't own an HP PC, you just own an HP laser printer (thus proving the point that people and even businesses still buy HP laser printers just for their printers, and not as parts of larger HP PC bundles).

Re:Great decision (2)

swalve (1980968) | more than 2 years ago | (#37865102)

You haven't bought one since the x000 series, I guess. Anything after the 4100 has been garbage. Lexmark is better these days, even with their poor build quality.

Best tech news all year (1)

BumpyCarrot (775949) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862628)

Aside from that nasty business with nVidia GPUs, HP's PCs are by far my preferred platform from a support perspective. Working in remote tech. support, you learn to appreciate a decent platform and a good support site.

Obvious, Captain (3)

Drunkulus (920976) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862794)

The business plan that caused the previous CEO to be fired has been rejected by the incoming CEO. I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.

Re:Obvious, Captain (1)

jd2112 (1535857) | more than 2 years ago | (#37863836)

The business plan that caused the previous CEO to be fired has been rejected by the incoming CEO. I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.

I suspect they couldn't find a buyer.

Re:Obvious, Captain (5, Funny)

jalefkowit (101585) | more than 2 years ago | (#37865110)

You've heard the joke, right?

A new CEO meets with his outgoing predecessor on the last day before he takes over. The old CEO takes him aside and gives him three envelopes, labeled "1", "2", and "3." "These are only to be opened when you hit a crisis," the old CEO explains. "The first one is to be opened when you hit your first crisis, the second one on your second crisis, and the third one on your third. They contain hard-won wisdom that will help you weather each crisis."

The new CEO takes over and for a while things go great. Then, suddenly, the company lurches into crisis. The new CEO remembers his predecessor's words and opens the first envelope. Inside is a letter that starts "Blame everything on me. Fire a bunch of people that I hired. Announce you're heading in a radically different direction." The new CEO takes the advice and survives the crisis without breaking a sweat.

More months pass, and then the company hits another rough patch. The new CEO remembers how well the advice in the first envelope worked, and eagerly opens the second. Inside is a letter that starts "Blame market conditions. Reorganize the company." The new CEO takes the advice, and again makes it through the crisis. He begins to respect his departed predecessor's wisdom.

Several more months pass, and then another crisis hits, this one the worst so far. Out of ideas, the new CEO remembers his predecessor's third envelope, and rips it open.

Inside is a letter that starts "Prepare three envelopes."

Self-esteem issues (3)

JaZz0r (612364) | more than 2 years ago | (#37862828)

HP certainly shot themselves in the foot with this. Who in their right mind would consider a HP computer if even they aren't confident about them?

Re:Self-esteem issues (1)

Bob-o-Matic! (620698) | more than 2 years ago | (#37863714)

HP certainly shot themselves in the foot with this. Who in their right mind would consider a HP computer if even they aren't confident about them?

My very large defense contractor employer had already arranged for acquiring machines from HP months before the news of HP abandoning the PC business broke. Two weeks ago I traded in a Dell D630 for an HP Elitebook 8440p. The Elitebook does not seem particularly elite compared to my 2006 vintage Macbook Pro, but it does look nicer and is thinner than the replaced Dell. I don't care for the 16:9 aspect ratio and the keyboard has very little resistive spring force, so I fat-finger far more often than on anything else, including ruggedized keyboards from iKey and the like. Also, why is it that only Apple laptops have a trackpad which has seen any progress in a decade?

Your question still stands, but the answers will be revealed over the next 12 months as large corporations execute their tech refresh strategies.

Re:Self-esteem issues (1)

merky1 (83978) | more than 2 years ago | (#37863772)

Everyone thought I was insane when I said that the HP laptop keyboard was made by chinese torture masters.

Re:Self-esteem issues (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 2 years ago | (#37864978)

Also, why is it that only Apple laptops have a trackpad which has seen any progress in a decade?

Hell, why is it Apple can offer trackpads on their laptops that are 3 times the surface area of most laptops?

Sure trackpads are iffy, but why do most PCs have itty-bitty ones that barely can scroll 1/3rd of the screen at full accelleration? Hell, most PCs don't have ones bigger than my netbook. Apple seems to be able to stuff a huge one in their smallest of laptops. Hell, the Apple ones have acreage compared to PCs.

Re:Self-esteem issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37864186)

I know it's small, but for months I was shopping for a laptop and was considering an HP. I kept my eye on one in particular, watching for sales, etc...then it was announced they were spinning off the business unit, that made my decision for me. Wound up with an Acer.

Re:Self-esteem issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37864828)

I certainly would. I'm using an HP Mini, and I'm extremely happy with it. I hated the bilingual keyboard (Canada) and told them so. They flew it at their expense across the country, put in an American keyboard and flew it back. They treated it like a warranty problem. The turnaround was four days total. I'm really impressed with the product and the service.

Meg Whitman has a brain. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37863426)

Good for CEO Whitman.

PCs are changing. But PCs, whether as netbooks, tablets, or -- gasp! -- desktops will remain around for a long while. They can be a steady, boring stream of profit if they just make good machines and have support people.

Shut Up Meg! (2, Interesting)

arazor (55656) | more than 2 years ago | (#37863696)

I won't support any HP product as long as leading TeaBagger Meg Whitman is in the leadership of HP.

Re:Shut Up Meg! (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 2 years ago | (#37863960)

I won't support any HP product as long as leading TeaBagger Meg Whitman is in the leadership of HP.

Why worry about it? Just wait nine to twelve months and HP will have a new CEO. Let's see, which current member or close friend of the board of directors will be chosen with the usual incestuous process (and disastrous results)?

Re:Shut Up Meg! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37864222)

Really? Politics when buying a crappy laptop? Really? How mature of you.

Re:Shut Up Meg! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37865700)

Good. They'll save a lot on tech support calls if clueless jerks avoid their products

The "TeaBagger" term is a thrown around by jerks who lack any actual arguments backed-up by facts and logic

Meg Whitman is hardly a darling of the TEA Party people. To begin with, she actually ran to the LEFT of Jerry Brown on some issues while having an illegal alien nanny. On actual policies that matter most to the tri-corner-hat-crowd, she was not much better than Joe Biden.

Define TeaBagger (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868208)

TeaBagger may refer to:

* A person who bags tea [wikipedia.org].
* In 21st-century American politics, a supporter of the Tea Party [wikipedia.org] movement.
* A person who engages in a particular sexual practice involving his mouth and man's scrotum.

Re:Shut Up Meg! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37869094)

That's gotta be the dumbest reason I've heard.

HP for desktop PCs, Lenovo for PC laptops (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37863748)

where PC = consumer Windows. Good specs, good prices, good technology and supply chain relationships.

It was a boneheaded move on HP's part to announce exiting their market-leading position in the first place. But then, I still wonder why Red Hat stopped selling their shrink-wrapped consumer distro about eight years ago (a space which newcomers like Ubuntu have taken over by default).

Huge relief from inside, and bitter dissapointment (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37864314)

As an insider at HP, I'm personally relieved that this decision has been reach. I am bitterly disappointed that the BoD made their public announcement -- it has only hurt the company and deeply impacted customer confidence.

I'm also glad Apotheker's gone - a royal screw up and a waist of $25M+. He spent six weeks on a round-the-world "listening tour" and obviously decided it's better not to listen.

What really pissed me off was the BoD's explanation about why they made the spinning-off announcement: because they felt that they couldn't trust about 100 people to keep quiet while the review was done, so it was better to "be transparent". That speaks volumes about the lack of trust the BoD has in this organization's people, let alone it's products.

HP has definitely passed away with it's founders - a very sad observation about the company that is said to have started Silicon Valley. I hope that Apple doesn't go the same way.

Re:Huge relief from inside, and bitter dissapointm (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 2 years ago | (#37866418)

I am not sure why Apotheker was hired first place. He screwed up majorly at SAP and was universally hated there until the company founder gave him the boot after a short period of time.

Kill The Board Meg! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37864770)

Yes.

Kill the Board members.

King of the World Barak Obama grants himself immunity of ethics, morals, laws even local laws.

Go Meg Go. Kill the Board.

Do it .. Sadam!

++++++++

[ SOS ] Complaint about Human Rights Violations by (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37865426)

Please Google:

IBM detained mother of ex-employee on the day of centennial
          or
How Much IBM Can Get Away with is the Responsibility of the Media
          or
Tragedy of Labor Rights Repression in IBM China

Back when they were a "solid" brand (1)

oDDmON oUT (231200) | more than 2 years ago | (#37866540)

We rolled out HP machines in my department in the late 90s, and had a 25% failure out of the box. One in four, DOA or otherwise unusable.

Why anyone would spec an HP makes me ask "Who's getting the kickback?".

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