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Samsung Takes the Lead In the Smartphone Market

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the taking-a-bite-out-of-apple dept.

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New submitter landofcleve writes "When the writing is on the wall, you fight harder — or at least that's what we've seen from Apple in recent months. Now we know why: Samsung has reached a market share above Apple's for smartphone sales. 'Samsung shipped 27.8 million smartphones in the last quarter, taking 23.8 percent of the market ... Apple’s 17.1 million shipments, comprising 14.6 percent of the market, pushed the Cupertino, California-based company to second place. Nokia maintained its third position.'"

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Sue (0, Troll)

danbob999 (2490674) | more than 2 years ago | (#37867906)

Apple will need to sue more to regain its position.

Re:Sue (2, Funny)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#37867924)

Well, apple does have a patent out on being the leading smart phone company- so by being #1, Samsung is in clear violation of that patent.

Re:Sue (4, Insightful)

ClaraBow (212734) | more than 2 years ago | (#37867994)

Seriously, what has happened to all the great discussions which defined Slashdot as a community of thought provoking and insightful people who were tech-savvy and in the know! This 7th grade banter is getting annoying!

Re:Sue (2, Insightful)

monoqlith (610041) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868016)

i'm sorry, when was this?

Re:Sue (1)

SharkLaser (2495316) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868082)

And regardless, this is only about smart phones. Nokia maintains the first position in all mobile phones, especially when including Asia.

Re:Sue (1)

kvvbassboy (2010962) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868496)

That's because they make, or at least used to make, the best phones from a hardware - form - price perspective. I think the same can be said of Samsung when you pitch their phones against iPhones. Now all they have to do is to improve Android or make WP7 their main platform, leaving Android for power users.

Re:Sue (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868508)

*hands monoglith a pair of nostalgia glasses*

That, and you get smarter with time so I'm sure it felt more intelligent relative to yourself back then. If you actually went back and re-read the discussions, the conclusion may be different...

Re:Sue (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868064)

I smell butthurt.

Re:Sue (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868268)

That's because you have your nose up someone's butt.

Re:Sue (1)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868494)

I think there is room for both humor and deep conversation. I certainly spend more time on slashdot for both the above than I probably should.

I'm amazed anyone can let themselves get wound up over a light-hearted comment about a publicly traded corporation. Especially one meant in jest and with no malicious intent.

I drive a toyota- I love my toyota- but if someone makes a joke about toyota, I'll probably laugh and move on- mostly because the gas pedal sticks and I have no other choice.

Re:Sue (1, Offtopic)

greg1104 (461138) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868036)

Yes, because fighting the market leader by lawsuit has been an effective strategy for Apple [wikipedia.org] in the past. They never would have gained a majority share of desktop PCs without that lawsuit.

Oh, no, wait, that's not what happened at all. The courts said that was all obvious stuff, kicked them out, and the bad press hurt more than the lawsuit gained them. Hopefully history will repeat itself with the recent patent suits.

Re:Sue (1)

Ferzerp (83619) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868428)

They have been doing it quite successfully in Europe this year, so I don't know why you're citing a 17 year old case.

Re:Sue (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868654)

I'm guessing you are not familiar with the actual history (The facts) since the case would still be in the courts if Microsoft hadn't settled. [wikipedia.org] The truth according to me is that Jobs was a visionary with decent business acumen while Gates was an average coder who became a very shrewd businessman and marketer. Had Jobs had the forethought (and ability to allow someone else to make decisions besides himself) to get some shrewd businessmen/lawyers/marketers Apple would most likely had a much larger footprint by 1990. Instead he trusted Microsoft to honor their contract and got burned. Which I believe ultimately lead to Jobs acting more and more like Gates.

High-end models? (2, Insightful)

TwoOranges (994399) | more than 2 years ago | (#37867944)

How many of those smartphones are high-end models that are comparable to the iPhone?

Re:High-end models? (4, Insightful)

MadKeithV (102058) | more than 2 years ago | (#37867996)

How many of those smartphones are high-end models that are comparable to the iPhone?

None.
Or according to Apple's lawyers: every single one.

Re:High-end models? (4, Insightful)

phayes (202222) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868060)

The most interesting questions is rather: "How many of the shipped pones will actually get sold before 2012?" Samsung has shown it can produce phones now let's see if they can actually sell them.

Re:High-end models? (3, Informative)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868096)

Quite a few - Samsung's hottest seller in late spring/early summer was the international variant of the Galaxy S II - a device which was undoubtebly above the iPhone 4 in all regards.

In fact, in some areas, it's still ahead of the iPhone 4S - the 4S has a nicer GPU but a weaker CPU, and still has a crappy 3.5" screen.

Re:High-end models? (1, Insightful)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868218)

oddly I want an iphone none the less. strange is it not that specs are not everything.

Re:High-end models? (2, Insightful)

VMaN (164134) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868262)

You are why people in marketing have a job. But you probably feel good about it, so win-win?

Re:High-end models? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868434)

You are why people in marketing have a job. But you probably feel good about it, so win-win?

Yup....I feel pretty good:

http://gizmodo.com/5854036/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support

Re:High-end models? (2)

heathen_01 (1191043) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868314)

oddly I want an iphone none the less. strange is it not that specs are not everything.

Not strange at all. It would be hard to justify the amount spent on marketing otherwise.

Re:High-end models? (0)

GrumpySteen (1250194) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868408)

And people still watch Jersey Shore, despite the fact that there are better things they could watch. We pity them too.

Re:High-end models? (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868830)

Well I haven't watched that particular trash TV but that I think has more with a fascination that people can be so... shallow. Like Americas dumbest criminals, you watch it for the dumbness not because you're inspired to be like them. When you want entertainment, then the TV that entertains you is the winner. Maybe you should consider that the "better" phone is measuring the wrong thing as well.

Re:High-end models? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868836)

oddly I want an iphone none the less. strange is it not that specs are not everything.

You should be questioning your choice then. Irrational behavior isn't something you want to nurture. You probably want it because it used to be considered "kewl", but now your stuck on cognitive dissonance. A classic Apple zealot stuck in a unreality bubble.

Re:High-end models? (1, Insightful)

heathen_01 (1191043) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868296)

... and still has a crappy 3.5" screen.

iPhone: 640 x 960 Galazy: 480 x 800

Re:High-end models? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868380)

Yeah but the Galazy, unlike the iPhone and Galaxy, can be had for $5 on any street corner in Beijing.

Re:High-end models? (1)

Whalou (721698) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868452)

Maybe but the cost of the trip to buy that 5$ phone would increase the TCO quite a bit.

Re:High-end models? (1)

Tsingi (870990) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868724)

Maybe but the cost of the trip to buy that 5$ phone would increase the TCO quite a bit.

Not if you bought two.

Re:High-end models? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868798)

I'll take the larger screen over the slightly higher resolution
3.5 at 640X900 vs 4.3 at 480X800
330 ppi vs 217 ppi

I've looked at both screens and apart from the fact that the Galaxy is noticeably larger I really don't see much difference in quality. The iPhone should be about a third sharper, but it doesn't really show. I wouldn't call it completely crappy but 3.5 is noticeable compared to other smartphones now. Now that Sprint has both I have been seriously comparing them and am leaning towards the Galaxy for speed, screen size and the 4G. Not taking anything away from the iPhone, it is a remarkable device, but it is not the only player anymore and Samsung is making some very nice phones.

Re:High-end models? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868524)

I really hope Apple doesn't cave to this pressure to make a larger screen. The form factor of the iPhone is preferable to me.

That said, I saw someone with a galaxy for the first time yesterday. Aside from its absurdly large size, it looked like a really solid phone. Yay for competition!

Re:High-end models? (2)

Sir_Sri (199544) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868708)

And the galaxy Sii has a replacable battery and survives a drop test much better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKxgsrJFhw

Even the Galaxy SI was a pretty good phone compared to the apple equivalents.

I'm a big guy, so the Galaxy SII being larger is a big plus for me, and certainly not a downside (I have big pockets for it, for example), but not everyone wants a small slate in their pocket.

quarterly reporting and reality (3, Insightful)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868204)

Samsung released their Galaxy II s in the previous quarter. apple did not release the overdue and widely expected 4S till this quarter. Combine that with the fact that the smart phone market is expanding (not zero sum) so that apple does not have to sell less for Samsung to sell more, and it's pretty clear this statistic is just an anomoly due to the way sales get binned by quarter. We won't know much about it till a few more quarters have passed to average it out. My guess is the 4s is the hot cake for Q4.

Re:quarterly reporting and reality (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868340)

Oh my god, someone might be ahead of Apple, DEFEND DEFEND!!

Re:quarterly reporting and reality (1)

Tsingi (870990) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868780)

Oh my god, someone might be ahead of Apple, DEFEND DEFEND!!

Yup, that's what 90% of the comments on this page are about (for/against)

Re:quarterly reporting and reality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868590)

True, that. Everyone knows that when Apple gets poor sales, it doesn't count.

Re:High-end models? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868286)

To be honest, here in Germany, I never considered the iPhone to be a "high-end" model. It missed too many functions everyone else had. (Please keep the fanboyism away, this is simply a factual observation.) Yes, it improved a bit. But still.

Re:High-end models? (2)

shoehornjob (1632387) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868352)

rtfa the whole article was specifically about smart phones. Jobs must be rolling in his grave right now.

Re:High-end models? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868636)

Thats just involuntary spasms due to gas/hot air.

Re:High-end models? (2)

Tsingi (870990) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868740)

rtfa the whole article was specifically about smart phones. Jobs must be rolling in his grave right now.

The man knows when to throw in the towel.

Re:High-end models? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868750)

Basically every phone nowadays is a "smartphone", but you can still get really shitty Android devices.

Re:High-end models? (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868368)

Given the timing, the US release of the Galaxy S II is probably driving those sales. So, high end devices.

Re:High-end models? (1)

coolmoose25 (1057210) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868466)

Got the Samsung Stratosphere on Big Red. Love it. Single core, so phone people will immediately point to that and say that it doesn't compare to the 4s... They're right. My phone has 4g (Apple: 4g? What's that?) and gets 6mbps downstream and peaked out at a whopping 14mbps on one test. It's the network, not the phone people.

Re:High-end models? (1)

Paradise Pete (33184) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868582)

How many of those smartphones are high-end models

Good question. In Asia they sell millions of the Galaxy Mini, which is an android (2.2) phone. It sells retail for about $150 unlocked and contract-free. It's really not much of a smart phone but it's a reasonably good phone. Browsing web pages on it is absolute torture. I've spent hundreds of dollars on iPad apps, but the chances of me buying a single app for the Mini are about zero. But it still counts just as much as an iPhone in calculating market share, though I can't imagine Samsung earning more than just a few dollars profit on it.

Re:High-end models? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868770)

Let's not forget that Apple is still selling the 3GS, which makes the bar much lower.

Re:High-end models? (1)

X.25 (255792) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868774)

How many of those smartphones are high-end models that are comparable to the iPhone?

And why would that matter?

Moving Target (1)

Comboman (895500) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868860)

How many of those smartphones are high-end models that are comparable to the iPhone?

We are talking about smartphones here which implies a certain minimum (touch screen, installable apps, etc). Smartphones are the high-end of the general phone market and a suppose you could say that there is a high-end of the high-end, but that is always a moving target which each new release leapfrogging to become the new high-end. Some of Samsung's smartphones are comparable with iPhone 3GS (which Apple still sells by the way), some are comparable with the iPhone 4 and it's upcoming releases will be comparable with the 4S.

How is this news? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37867948)

Apple didn't release a phone last quarter. Wait 1 quarter.

Re:How is this news? (0)

Kagato (116051) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868146)

Yeah, mod the parent up. Everyone knew the next iPhone was coming and it suppressed sales. The next quarter will be a blow out.

Re:How is this news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868264)

THAT, and the facts that

a) Samsung does not release sale numbers, these are estimates by analysts
b) Samsung's numbers state shipping to retail, while Apple's numbers state devices sold to consumers

Great, competition (0)

Killjoy_NL (719667) | more than 2 years ago | (#37867950)

I love this, make a better product and get a bigger marketshare, I believe that is what has happened here.
Good for Samsung :)

Welcome to today's oblig. apple/android throwdown (5, Insightful)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 2 years ago | (#37867954)

With articles like this, you would think it really mattered who made more of what in a quarter... Never mind that geographies are different, carriers are different, and features are different. Time to buckle down for the hordes of apple and android gang-bangers to fill another thread with vitriol and made up words.

Re:Welcome to today's oblig. apple/android throwdo (3, Funny)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868028)

With articles like this, you would think it really mattered who made more of what in a quarter... Never mind that geographies are different, carriers are different, and features are different. Time to buckle down for the hordes of apple and android gang-bangers to fill another thread with vitriol and made up words.

Well, according to Apple and Samsung, these guys are stealing so many of each other's ideas they are practically selling the same phones, if you believe the testimony.

Re:Welcome to today's oblig. apple/android throwdo (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868114)

pardon this frudilation, but i think it a incorrect alataic memfarma to suggest that there are any words that aren't made up or otherwise rumpusted.

it's that or someone's been secretly mining them with sharing such impetitude.

Re:Welcome to today's oblig. apple/android throwdo (1)

tbannist (230135) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868442)

Hmm. I think shall have to impovisate Bitword, the new Libertarianistic alternativialistic language. But we'll have to freedomate the creation of words to make sure that it doesn't get devalumated by word inflation.

Nothing should follow this awesome comment (1)

hellfire (86129) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868318)

So I'll end this discussion right now:

Only Hitler would own a smartphone.

Re:Welcome to today's oblig. apple/android throwdo (1)

getNewNickName (980625) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868584)

Why the jab against the fanboys? Fanboys will also look at such information with a more critical eye and help dispel the sensationalism in these articles.

such a business model (1)

sribe (304414) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868006)

Price them so close to cost that you make basically no profit, but sell a lot...

Re:such a business model (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868602)

u mad bro?

Units Shipped != Units Sold (3, Interesting)

AoF.Squall (818234) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868008)

And neither one represents number of active users. I can imagine that Apple has a much better sell-through rate of stock, and Samsung supplies a lot of models to a lot of retailers & service providers.

Re:Units Shipped != Units Sold (1)

Riceballsan (816702) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868162)

Judging by majority of polls etc... I'm inclined to theorize that apple's units sold numbers are more inflated then samsungs (both probably are). Apple tends to sell best to people who "price is no object", and apple products down to the mac-books have had some of the worse resell potential (Tiny scratch on the outside of the case, nobody will consider buying it). So I'd imagine apple fans are more apple fans likely to upgrade from a perfectly functional phone that is a year out of date, to the newest model. While android owners are more likely to wait until the phone no longer meets their needs, or the carriers contract offers a free upgrade. (note these are not absolutes, only increased likely-hoods, half way frugal apple buyers do exist, as do wealthy "gotta get the next big thing" android owners, but as an overall trend I would say larger percentages of each audience fits into the stereotypes)

Re:Units Shipped != Units Sold (1)

hawkeyeMI (412577) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868270)

I can't agree with your assessment of apple resale value. In my experience apple hardware holds its value much better than non-apple hardware.

Re:Units Shipped != Units Sold (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868854)

Actually, "units shipped" does equal "units sold", where "sold" means "sold to retailers". "Sold to consumers" is a better metric, but unless you think that every retailer in the world is completely clueless when it comes to estimating how many Samsung phones they can sell, yet not clueless when it comes to estimating how many iPhones they can sell, then "units shipped" turns out to actually be a pretty good metric after all.

Impossible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868024)

(Posting AC from work)

I guess it's impossible to just post a story about how well Samsung is doing without throwing in an Apple reference (and implication that their fight against Samsung is based on Sammy's success rather than the more likely possibility that Apple simply feels Sammy is ripping off their IP, regardless of how many phones Sammy is selling). Gotta generate those page-views and geek drama, right?

sigh...

Excellent both in low- and high-range Android (1)

cerberusss (660701) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868042)

It's a deserved market position.

Samsung does nicely both in the budget segment (Samsung Gio [wikipedia.org], for example) as well as in the high range Android market, the Galaxy S2, Vibrant, etc.

Take this with a pinch of salt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868052)

It is quite obvious that apple's sales will be low in the quarter before they release the new iPhone, in this case the 4S. To see if Samsung has really taken the lead, we'd have to look at annual figures.

For the record, I'm a Samsung fan.

This is based on analysts guesses (4, Informative)

Linegod (9952) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868058)

This is based on analysts guesses. Samsung didn't release any numbers.

Samsung's 23% Profit Drop Means... (1)

BoRegardless (721219) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868086)

Maybe they have to sell them at too low a price in order to try to keep volume up?

Re:Samsung's 23% Profit Drop Means... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868244)

Maybe they have to sell them at too low a price in order to try to keep volume up?

No, their problems are not with their mobile phone revenues.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15488328

"Profits at Samsung have fallen 23% as strong growth in its mobile phone business was overshadowed by a poor performance in the memory chip arm.... Handset profits more than doubled to 2.52tn won on strong sales from its Galaxy smartphones...."

Shipped vs Sold... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868100)

Android "ships" phones, Apple "sells" phones -- this misleading comparison of apples and oranges continues. When will Android manufacturers start quoting "actual sales"?

Lets see how Apple recovers in "sales" figures now that their newly released phone is out, the last quarter was expected to dip due to anticipation of many wanting to purchase the new model.

Re:Shipped vs Sold... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868258)

Lies. Android doesn't ship anything. Samsung may be, for all I know, but Android as such is measured in Google activations.

Re:Shipped vs Sold... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868378)

It's not different, shipped is sold. The retailer buys them from Samsung, then resells them. Apples newly released phone is still at least 1 generation behind the curve, with no 4G. The sale figures show that not all the cultist were not impressed with their latest offering. Now that Jobs is gone, this company will begin to flounder again.

Re:Shipped vs Sold... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868530)

They generally count "activations". As in buyers actually starting to use the phones they bought. If there is air in the numbers it is more likely on the Apple side.

Re:Shipped vs Sold... (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868764)

Apple has only lead in smartphone sales for a single quarter. Ever. And "shipped" and "sold" mean the same thing. Smasung didn't release these figures BTW, they are analyst guesses.

And while I haven't been following Apple (at all), my understanding was a lot of people were expecting an iPhone 5. The 4S may not garner as many sales as a completely new version would have.

Waiting for the iPhone 5 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868106)

iPhone sales dropped off last quarter (from 20.34 million in Q3 2011 to 17.07 in Q4) presumably as people held back while waiting for the mythical iPhone 5.

In 2008, 2009 and 2010, Q4 was when Apple introduced the latest model, and always represented the highest sales of the fiscal year. This year, Apple was "late," and customers stayed home. Sales will almost certainly recover this quarter with the 4S.

Time for Apple to throw in the towel (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868110)

Right, because Apple really cares about market share. After all, they were only doing so well because they had the lions share of the PC market before that.

Oh, wait...

Seriously?

Market share doesn't matter. Profit does. Apple is perfectly happy to own the most lucrative top percentage even if it's only a fraction of the overall market.

Re:Time for Apple to throw in the towel (1)

PJ1216 (1063738) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868552)

I disagree. They obviously do care about market share. Have you seen what they've tried to pull on Samsung?

Re:Time for Apple to throw in the towel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868658)

Yes we have all seen the patent lawsuits from both sides. And if you think that's entirely about market share you need to get your blinkered head out of your ass.

Re:Time for Apple to throw in the towel (1)

danbob999 (2490674) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868614)

Market share matters because if iPhones drop to let say 5% of market share people will stop developing for it. And without that, the iPhone is nothing.

The Quarter before te 4S (1)

Philbert de Zwart (1440831) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868154)

So Samsung sells more phones than Apple in the quarter before Apple releases its newest model. Big deal! Of course they're selling less when everyone is waiting for the IPhone 5!

I feel like I'm repeating myself. (1)

nelson.milum (2494144) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868232)

Seriously, there's 24 smartphones listed on their website. Anyways, it seems to me that if you sell more than two or three phones at a time your company will appeal to a broader user base... reminds me of that saying, "if you throw enough shit at a wall, some of it is bound to stick". The Bloomberg link does talk about the fact that Samsung has been smart to carry such a diverse lineup of phones, I agree the broad selection is attractive, and that's likely the key factor at play. How would the numbers play out if we compared on a phone by phone basis... Galaxy Nexus to the iPhone 4, or Galaxy II thingy to the iPhone 4S

Re:I feel like I'm repeating myself. (1)

PJ1216 (1063738) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868692)

That's not a fair comparison. If you want Android, you have a multitude of devices to choose from and it comes down to niche differences which one you will choose. Apple doesn't give you choice. So, obviously, there'd be less Galaxy Nexuses sold than an iPhone 4S (even though they haven't gone on sale yet, i know they won't outsell the 4S) because the consumer has more choice. Sorta like what would happen if the one of the two main political parties split. Even if there were more combined votes for Party 1a and Party 1b together, there'd most likely still be more votes for Party 2 compared with either 1a OR 1b. It's simply because you're given more choice. Personally, I think since Samsung and Apple have different business models, it's pointless to compare any sales numbers. Hell, I could say that on a phone by phone basis, there's no comparison because Apple doesn't have a phone that competes with the Galaxy Nexus. I mean, have you seen the size of that screen? Apple offers no products in that market. You can twist anything to make one superior to the other, but its pointless because whatever you're basing it on isn't important to someone else.

What of these 23% are smartphones? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868284)

Topic says all.

One can oversell his competitor selling junk. What about similar products? "Oh hey, both are phones" Technically, yes, but how much of these 23% are smartphones, Android or Windows Mobile based, whose could be compared to the iPhones?

That's a comparison I'm yet to see.

Re:What of these 23% are smartphones? (1)

Bill Dimm (463823) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868834)

What of these 23% are smartphones?

All of them. From the summary:

Samsung shipped 27.8 million smartphones in the last quarter, taking 23.8 percent of the market ... Apple’s 17.1 million shipments...

Sheeple? (0)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868370)

So, are we allowed to call Samsung buyers "sheeple" now, or is that somehow exclusively reserved for Apple?

Re:Sheeple? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868562)

sheeple is reserved for apple due to the it being created from the word sheep and apple

Re:Sheeple? (2)

index0 (1868500) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868712)

I give the label sheeple to many apple users because they admit to wanting apple's new phone without even seeing it or it being announced.

Re:Sheeple? (2)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868726)

If there are Samsung buyers who eagerly snatch up every new model on the day it's released and get personally offended whenever anyone on the internet says something bad about the company, then yes, you can call them sheeple too.

Holding market share is another thing (1)

joeyblades (785896) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868390)

Based on my experience with Samsung phones, I would be very surprised if they can hold that market share. In my family of 4 we had 4 Samsungs (various models - 3 smartphones). 3 of the 4 crapped out within the first 6 months of use (only the dumbphone continued to work). One of them had to be replaced 3 times. Samsung obviously does not care about quality control, so I'll never buy another Samsung product again... ever.

I know several friends that have had similar experiences and have come to similar conclusions. Samsung won't be able to hold on to their marketshare lead when they continuously deliver a poor user experience.

Re:Holding market share is another thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868710)

samsung also manufacturers the screens and several other components for the IPHONE so if your so worried about there quality you wouldn't by one of them as well.

Re:Holding market share is another thing (1)

ErikZ (55491) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868734)

Samsung is one of my favorite companies, but to my surprise, they're absolutely terrible at making smartphones.

I was really interested in the new Galaxy Nexus, until I saw it was made by Samsung.

Flamebait (1)

Tridus (79566) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868652)

So just to be clear, it's a quarter in which one of the two companies didn't release a phone and before what is their best quarter. It's using estimated numbers for one of them (since actual numbers weren't given). It's comparing "shipped" to "sold" units.

Was there any purpose to this at all except to get cheap hits with the flamebait?

Expected (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868696)

It is true is that Apple is competing. We see this in that for the first time Apple is making a phone, not a computer. What was interesting to me, not being a person who likes spending hours talking on the phone when I could be talking and having fun in person, is that Apple made a small computer and not a phone. I have never really kept a cell phone primarily as a way to talk all day. My Razr was not a great phone, but it was small and let me communicate when I needed to. So Apple is fixing one big problem.

There is one more thing that makes the Samsung market share numbers uninteresting, and we will have to see how this pans out over time. So far Apple has been in limited distribution, only ATT in the US. Recently they have gone to Verizon and Sprint which gives them mass market distribution for the first time. Samsung, OTOH, appears to be the primary smartphone supplier to Cricket. This gives them a huge market, but mostly for handset around $150 and below. One would assume at these prices they have to sell in huge volume to generate a profit. Note that the volume of sales are comparable to Apple's. Therefore either the smart phone segment is growing so fast that marketshare is not so much of an issue as volume and profit, or marketshare is important but only in terms of overwhelming percentages.

I look at the mature PC market, the commodity market started when Compaq reversed engineered the PC and took off the late 80's when everyone could get commodity parts and put a computer together in their living room. 20 years later how many dedicated mass market vendors are left? There is not enough money in it for IBM. It is basically HP, Dell and Asus.

Sales or Shipped? (1)

DJRumpy (1345787) | more than 2 years ago | (#37868730)

Which is it, sales or shipped? I know we've seen this game time and time again. We also see iPhone sales take a nose dive before they release a new model.

Interesting from a tech perspective, but I'm more interested in longer term than a quarter where Apple released a new model.

Shipped vs. Sold (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37868828)

Samsung shipped 27.8 million smartphones in Q3, while Apple shipped and sold 17.1 million iPhones. How many of those 27.8 million smartphones did Samsung actually sell?

I'm guessing not close to the number shipped, because their Q3 profits are down 23%.

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