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iPhone 4S Has Been Jailbroken, Hack Enables Siri on iPhone 4

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the making-changes dept.

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Diggester writes "Unless their chipset has already been exploited and jailbroken on a previous device, it takes a lot of time for the iOS jailbreaking community to jailbreak for a new iOS device. The iPhone 4S and iPad 2, both of which are based on a still unexploited dual-core A5 chip, haven't received a jailbreak for iOS 5 yet. However, it appears they'll be getting one soon, as a certain eminent iPhone hacker has let us know that the iPhone 4S has jailbroken, and a jailbreak for the iPad 2 is in the works." In related news, Hackers have succeeded in bringing a limited port of Apple's new Siri voice assistant feature onto jailbroken versions of the iPhone 4 and the fourth-generation iPod touch.

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Do what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37888724)

" ...but it appears that they'll be getting one soon as a certain eminent iPhone hacker has let us know that the has already been jailbroken with a jailbreak for iPad 2 in the works."

this doesn't parse.

Re:Do what? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889172)

It's real simple: The hacker has been jailbroken and soon that jailbreak will work on the iPad 2. You can install anything on him!

We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37888732)

Can we please put an end to the pointless Apple articles here?

If Apple does something remarkable, or if somebody does something remarkable with Apple products, then by all means post such a story. This sort of article doesn't qualify, however. It's just about people who were stupid enough to buy a product that they have to intentionally "break" in order to use it to its full potential. That's not newsworthy in any way.

The rest of us are smart enough to not buy such devices. We won't fall into that trap. So how about giving us some useful articles for a change? There has got to be some interesting discovery relating to physics, for instance. Or maybe some mathematical breakthrough. Hell, even a shitty Drupal book review is better than this Apple nonsense.

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (-1, Troll)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about 2 years ago | (#37888758)

No.

I'm smart enough not to buy a device that will perpetually be out of date and unusable.

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37888872)

I'm curious to learn which device will never become obsolete, in that case.

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37888912)

Never is a long time; a year isn’t. Guess which one most android manufacturers stop pushing updates at.

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | about 2 years ago | (#37889022)

A regular "dumb" cellphone will work as long as the antennas and services are in place.

Well, duh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37889182)

So you are saying any device will work, as long as the support equipment needed is in place? Wow, Captain Obvious to the rescue here!!!

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (1)

giorgist (1208992) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889208)

So does an abacus ... you could even unearth one and it might still be functional ...

No, this moron is saying... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37889338)

...that a dumbphone will work, AS LONG AS THE ANTENNAS and INFRASTRUCTURE ARE THERE!!!! Well, no shit Sherlock! Kinda like a light bulb will work as long as the power company is running

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889560)

For all those that don't get my point...

There's no "oh shit, my phone can't the new OS" moment. I can't become outdated the same way a smartphone does.

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (2)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889612)

two cans and a string work without the antennas or service.

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37889958)

I assume you're using a first gen iPhone with iOS5, you must have an Olympic level of tolerance.

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (1)

mug funky (910186) | more than 2 years ago | (#37890064)

out of date = unusable?

why did you buy something that would deactivate itself as soon as an update was available?

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37888772)

Just be grateful they haven't posted the riveting story of Steve Jobs Last Words. Yet.

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (1)

JustOK (667959) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889374)

Oh wow! Oh wow! Oh wow!

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37889414)

Just be grateful they haven't posted the riveting story of Steve Jobs Last Words. Yet.

Jobs' last words were "Bugger Bognor."

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37889670)

You misspelled Ballmer.

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37888830)

It's just about people who were stupid enough to buy a product that they have to intentionally "break" in order to use it to its full potential. That's not newsworthy in any way.

Wait, it was? I guess I misread the article, because I didn't realize it was about rooting your Android phone so you could actually us ICS, or for that matter, just remove the vendor applied spyware.

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (1)

psiclops (1011105) | more than 2 years ago | (#37890164)

http://htcdev.com/ [htcdev.com]

i didn't realise following my manufacturers instructions was considered "breaking" my device.

yes unlocked bootloader is not root, however it allows you to use the required tools which there is no attempt to block.

calling pre-installed apps spyware doesn't make them so.

also a manufacturer not coming up with an update for latest OS is not the same as intentionally restricting what the user can do.

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (1)

Pax681 (1002592) | more than 2 years ago | (#37890240)

It's just about people who were stupid enough to buy a product that they have to intentionally "break" in order to use it to its full potential. That's not newsworthy in any way.

Wait, it was? I guess I misread the article, because I didn't realize it was about rooting your Android phone so you could actually us ICS, or for that matter, just remove the vendor applied spyware.

really? vendor applied spyware? .......
well i got an HTC android device from vodafone uk... and guess what apple fanboi ac??.... no crapware... spyware or any such shit on it.also i don't need to get it unlocked as it's not locked to the vodafone network as my last trip to Denver from the UK showed when i slipped a US SIM into it...... no unlock code needed at all.....

i can also install whatever the fuck i want on my phone from where-ever the fuck i want

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (4, Insightful)

slartibartfastatp (613727) | about 2 years ago | (#37888864)

Slashdot actually allow you to skip the news you don't want to read - It takes zero clicks to be accomplished.

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (2)

c.derby (574103) | about 2 years ago | (#37888940)

furthermore, slashdot even allows users to exclude stories by topic...

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (5, Insightful)

brucek2 (208676) | about 2 years ago | (#37888874)

I would hope a more fair assessment of the Slashdot "we" would categorize us as people who recognize that Android and iOS are both very significant mobile platforms, and are thus neither surprised nor outraged when an important milestone on a product with millions of current or future users is reported here. Especially a milestone likely to be directly of interest to a "hacker" community.

So I would instead say: the rest of us are well-adjusted enough not to take the slightest pretext to open up a platform religious war of in which everyone is already fully aware of the pros and cons on both sides.

The mobile market is very small in the big picture (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37889226)

I've read the GP's post several times now, and I see absolutely no mention of Android or any other non-Apple mobile OS. The only one trying to turn this into an Android-versus-iOS "religious war", as you put it, is you.

You don't even stop to consider how irrelevant this so-called news truly is. The adoption of smartphones has reached saturation levels in most developed countries, and even in many developing ones. Even with many millions of devices out there today, there are still far fewer of them than there are desktops, laptops, netbooks and servers. Mobile computing is such a small percentage of all computing that it's basically irrelevant. Sure, it gets a lot of press and media hype, but it's still quite irrelevant.

Furthermore, many of the major mobile OSes are merely just Linux. Linux isn't anything new or special. We've had various forms of embedded Linux for many years now. Likewise, there's nothing remarkable about iOS other than that it's a very locked-down platform.

The GP has been wrongly modded down to -1, but his plea for relevant news stories here is a valid one. We come here to read interesting news that we can't find elsewhere. We don't come here to read useless details about comparatively minor operating systems in a comparatively minor segment of the computing market.

Re:The mobile market is very small in the big pict (1)

ThorGod (456163) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889316)

We don't come here to read useless details about comparatively minor operating systems in a comparatively minor segment of the computing market.

Since when? I've read everything I 'know' about os/2 from slashdot. Heck, linux, *bsd, and Sun news have always been covered here. Mobile computing and mobile OSes are just another step on the trail. It may be annoying that there's more activity with the new OSes, but that doesn't make them irrelevant.

Nerdy news *is* non-Windows news!

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 2 years ago | (#37889124)

The rest of us are smart enough to not buy such devices.

By 'smart' you mean the side you're on. Normally I wouldn't be so pedantic, but your 'smartness' is based mainly on the Slashdot headlines you've read.

This is where you complain about being modded down by 'fanboys' and high-five all the 'smart' people you agree with.

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (1)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889330)

If Apple does something remarkable, or if somebody does something remarkable with Apple products, then by all means post such a story. This sort of article doesn't qualify, however.

Disagree. This is about things skilled hackers do for the general good and therefore is on topic for Slashdot.

See, it's not about Apple, it's about us.

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (1)

wjwlsn (94460) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889340)

I dislike Apple with an intensity that few can match. Nevertheless, I often read Apple-related articles because I might learn something about a topic that is relatively unknown to me. It's even possible that I might learn something useful that can be applied in areas that I already know very well. Besides, it's good to go past your own biases every now and then... it keeps you frombecoming insular and stagnant.

Do you have any idea how lame it is... (3, Funny)

Brannon (221550) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889684)

that you have to preface your post with a disclaimer about the intensity of your dislike for a major corporation that doesn't know you exist? It speaks to something very sad about this community when you have pledge your intifada-like hatred for Apple as the intro to any post which is even tangentially related to Apple.

It would save time if you could just use a quick arm gesture and short phrase to make your allegiance clear. Maybe just shoot out your right arm straight at a 45 degree angle above the shoulder and say, "Heil, Google"--something like that.

Re:Do you have any idea how lame it is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37890332)

that you have to preface your post with a disclaimer about the intensity of your dislike for a major corporation that doesn't know you exist? It speaks to something very sad about this community when you have pledge your intifada-like hatred for Apple as the intro to any post which is even tangentially related to Apple.

It would save time if you could just use a quick arm gesture and short phrase to make your allegiance clear. Maybe just shoot out your right arm straight at a 45 degree angle above the shoulder and say, "Heil, Google"--something like that.

ROFL and this said by the fart knocker who just dropped a Godwin...LOLOL what a fucking cock

burn? (1)

Brannon (221550) | more than 2 years ago | (#37890374)

nt

Re:Do you have any idea how lame it is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37891456)

I agree, it's sad. But sometimes very necessary to provide appropriate context for a comment.

For example: I might say that I dislike Microsoft but appreciate Microsoft Research, as simply stating that I like Microsoft Research is very likely to bring out the -1 moderation marks for simply liking anything Microsoft. The same applies to e.g. SONY. Try liking something SONY does and there will always be a few who will mod you down because of a rootkit scandal, Other OS removal, PSN network insecurity, etc.

Similarly, if he had not prefaced his post with the fact that he dislikes Apple some might think him of nothing more than a fanboy for disagreeing with the fact that a lot of Apple stories hit the front page. ( No matter how easy it is to filter them out, apparently. )

On the other hand, by having prefaced his post as such, a true fanboy* instead pops up. A dislike becomes an "intifada-like hatred" and that assertion is followed by nothing less than a Godwin that shows the bias of the fanboy in question by suggesting his allegiance lies with Google (with a convenient "something like that" in case it's actually Microsoft, or Noka, or HTC, or Samsung).

This while GP has not made any such allegiance clear in his posting history. He hasn't once mentioned Google, Android, Microsoft, Nokia, Samsung, HTC.

* Contrast this with the fanboy. Slashdot's comment history system broke so I've only got a somewhat small sampling of the comments. It would make for an interesting Venn diagram with groups being "Other", "Pro-Apple", "Critical of Apple", "Anti-Not-Apple", "HS-Level insults" and "Self-righteousness" nevertheless.

The groups may require some explanation and examples;
"Anti-Not-Apple" refers to statements such as:

if you want a malware-infested fragmented cesspool in then you can buy a different phone.

Post blogs about your shitty software with direct links to let anybody download your virus invested bloated battery killing software.

"Self-righteousness" refers to statements such as:

I know more about computers than you do

But then again, I understand how computers work and you don't.

There are plenty of technical people who like Apple products. I'm one of them. Yes, I'm smarter than you. Think about that for a moment.

it's not your fault that you don't understand how computers work--I just wonder why you hang out at a nerd blog?

However, several of those "I know more about computers than you do" posts are in reply to no post that would demonstrate knowledge of computers in any way, shape or form and might just as well have been classified under a 'Troll' group.
The "why are you visiting Slashdot?" type remark is also a recurring theme;

but why do you hang out on a technology web site?

Perhaps you shouldn't hang out on a tech website?

It's weird that you would hang out on a website catering to nerds.

There's no "Anti-Apple" because, well, there weren't any posts that had anything really negative to say about Apple. There were a few that were critical, such as the Final Cut Pro "fumble". If one can count that as critique - I did. I didn't count "Apple has been destroying the free market" as being critical of them because it seemed more like being critical of the Not-Apples and the effect on the free market is a natural consequence of the failure of others to perform to a level that would make the market healthier.

Similarly, the "Other" group contains a majority (in fact, I think it's fair to say that comments are almost exclusively on Apple topics) of posts that dealt with Apple in one way or another, but simply weren't particularly fitting in any one of the other groups - i.e. not reading like "Pro-Apple" marketing material but rather relaying useful information on one hand... and on the other mostly discussing the merits, or lack thereof, of Libertarianism as well as bridge engineering.

Which leaves me with one more. Despite one comment stating the following...

At least fanboys are expressing a positive sentiment--haters are losers.

...I dare say that this particular fanboy is not always expressing positive sentiments, as the "HS-Level insults" refers to statements such as:

ask your Mom for [$4.99 for an app] the next time she comes down to the basement to do laundry

kinda like how everyone else has a girlfriend or doesn't live in their Mom's basement

Have you noticed girls yet? you might want to look into that.

You are a whiny little brat. Get a hobby, discover girls, move on with your life.

head back to your Python-monkey coding job

Run along back to your Ruby coding.

In fact, many of the insults in turn could be categorized into basic insults regarding a person's personal love life, housing situation, intelligence or choice of programming language. Of course the "Ruby" comment quoted was also in reply to no comment thread that even mentioned "Ruby" and could again be classified under a"Troll" group, as I'm not sure why else it was even written.
Perhaps with tongue-in-cheek to the many "walled-garden" discussions, suggesting the user may be better at gardening (than e.g. understanding computers) seems popular as well.

Here's the raw statistics:
Posts in set: 198
Other: 86 (43%)
Pro-Apple: 74 (37%)
Critical of Apple: 3 (2%)
Anti-Not-Apple: 30 (15%)
HS-Level insults: 46 (23%)
Self-righteousness: 11 (6%)
( Numbers are non-exclusive aside from the "Other" group. )

Posted from my iPad 2. Okay, not really.. but I do have and enjoy one (just not for typing lengthy posts, I'll pick up a kb for it some time). And an iPhone 4. And a girlfriend. And a hobby (we'll be out on our balcony watching Jupiter shortly, the Galileans are all easily visible to one side tonight). And knowledge of computers - but I'm sure you still know more. And an engineering degree - although I don't design bridges, I design control circuitry.. also not for bridges - ships though.. those pass under/through bridges.. close enough? And an Android device (Acer Liquid MT, looks nothing like an iPhone, does work as a backup / cheap international calls SIM-carrier - not keen on dual-sim solutions for iPhone). Not a libertarian, not living in Somalia, don't care for some taxes but we don't get to pick-and-choose, not gay but who cares if somebody is or is not... did I cover everything? :)

Good bye Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37889402)

Slashdot these days:

Apple is awesome
Steve Jobs is awesome
Google sucks
Microsoft sucks
Some really useful article not including Apple fuckfest, Google and MS bashing
Apple is awesome
Steve Jobs is awesome
Google sucks
Microsoft sucks
Apple is awesome
Steve Jobs is awesome
Google sucks
Microsoft sucks
Some really useful article not including Apple fuckfest, Google and MS bashing

While ignoring all the submissions about how ipad2 password protection failed, or how iphone4 battery life sucks, or how big asshole Steve Jobs was.

Slashdot, after Taco's departure. has just turned into another Gizmodo - the editors are just tripping over each other to suck Apple's dick.

I am off to find something better - have had good 10 years on Slashdot, but the time has come to say bye.

All the best to Apple fanbois - please continue sucking Steve Job's dick.

Slashdot - News for Apple fanbois, stuff that's only about Steve Jobs.

4Chon.net is better: Racist /new/s and Robot9002. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37889710)

Got to love the internet today.

Re:Good bye Slashdot (2)

treeves (963993) | more than 2 years ago | (#37890426)

Looking at the Slashdot front page right now, the topics are:

Student Loans
iPhone 4s jailbreak
Red Hat vs CentOS
Fish and toxic sludge
Microsoft law suit
Apple solar farm
Mock Zombie Invasion
Dennis Ritchie
FBI tracking
Open hardware
Portugal school and OSS
Hybrid quantum computers
Google Street VIew
GLobal Warming
Battlefield 3
EEPROM programmer
Anonymous vs Drug Cartel
AWS Load Balancer
Career Advice for Programmers
Android Browser privacy
Qantas grounded
Police UAV
US Debt
Android wristwatch
Cellular antenna tech
Nokia bendable phone
HP touchpads all gone
Blue Coat devices in Syria
Image recognition for races
Firefox PDF reader
Human Motion software
RIM privacy issue in India
Microsoft tried to buy Netscape
Compromised CAs

So out of 34 stories, two are about Microsoft, one is about Google (with two about Android), and two , yes TWO, are about Apple.
Now if the /. commenters derail other stories and make them about MS, Apple, or Google, whose fault is that? ...and who is trolling?

Re:We don't care. We don't use iPhones. (1)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889636)

Maybe you should just grow some balls and learn to ignore articles that you don't care about? I know, it's almost as if the articles never existed, AMAZING.

Lock-in? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37888752)

Is this why sheeple praised Steve Jobs with a Holiday? IT'S BEEN DOWNHILL FOR CONSUMERS EVER SINCE INTEL & MICROSOFT MIGRATED THE INDUSTRY AWAY FROM THE HOMEBREW SCENE.

Typing this on my $300 Linux-based Sony Mylo 2 that I can't run my own ware from because Sony burned GPL with a closed Linux.

WTF (4, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 2 years ago | (#37888762)

I'm confused. Are we supposed to complain about having to jailbreak the 4S or whine about how dumb Siri is?

You shouldn't make these threads so complicated.

Re:WTF (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 2 years ago | (#37888798)

Oh, this is better. The first link actually doesn't have any information at all. Just a nice picture of an iPhone.

So, Siri it is.

(Come on Slashdot, this is pretty bad, even for a Sunday).

Re:WTF (2)

grantek (979387) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889370)

The first link actually doesn't have any information at all. Just a nice picture of an iPhone.

I saw the same thing, checked what noscript was blocking and there were scripts from around 20 different domains. So it's either a pure advertisement troll, or an advertisement troll with a snippet of information buried somewhere in horrible web design. I'm not willing to dig around and find out.

A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri... (1, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#37888766)

Since there's not much of a technical reason the iPhone 4 cannot have Siri, I think a big part of why it's only on the 4s (and not even the iPad 2) is to help Apple understand server load from the service before it goes live for 100 million+ people.

I am thinking early next year Siri will be rolled out to iPhone 4 and iPad 2 owners (it may be the 3Gs is too old to handle it properly, as some audio cleanup and compression is probably done on the phone before transmission). Possibly it would even be iOS5 wide.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37888848)

meh... they want to give people a reason to upgrade to 4S from 4

Apple could've easily built a larger server farm to handle the larger load. They chose not to.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (2)

AHuxley (892839) | about 2 years ago | (#37889028)

Then you will want the 5 for more gpu, cpu, 64 bit and the next gen of games that will never work on any 4 ect.....

They have a huge server farm (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#37889090)

they want to give people a reason to upgrade to 4S from 4

I am sure that is also a component. But remember they still sell the iPhone 4 too. They don't care as much about upgrading as new users.

Apple could've easily built a larger server farm to handle the larger load. They chose not to.

I don't think you are aware of the HUGE data center Apple has built.

The fact is that even with a massive data center, you don't really know until everything goes live how everything will respond. And in fact there were some Siri drops in the first day or so.

After a little while they know what kind of load the servers can take, how often generally people use Siri, how much real bandwidth the system as a whole takes. With this understanding in hand they can add servers intelligently to handle a full load, instead of just throwing hardware at a load issue while everyone on earth is complaining that nothing works.

Remember Apple is very concerned about user experience, so it's only natural they would be cautious about launching this so it would work for a limited number of people instead of poorly for all.

Re:They have a huge server farm (2)

Dan East (318230) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889286)

It is natural that a lot of people would be going hog wild over Siri at first, greatly overusing that service for a while until they settled down into what would become the typical usage patterns. By rolling it out more incrementally, Apple didn't need a massive amount of infrastructure for just a short period of time, and thus they won't be stuck with a massive amount of unused surplus server power that was only really needed for the initial release of iOS5 (if Siri had been enabled on iPhone 4 devices).

Re:They have a huge server farm (1)

adolf (21054) | more than 2 years ago | (#37891326)

What - what's this? A rational explanation, based on sound business logic (ie: money) that doesn't involve intentional evil? On Slashdot, of all places?

I don't know where you are, but I feel that I owe you a beer.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (4, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889212)

meh... they want to give people a reason to upgrade to 4S from 4

I think considering that the iPad 2, which has a faster processor than the 4s doesn't have Siri, this is a very strong probability.

I'm annoyed that I haven't found much in the app store that takes advantage of the new processor.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (0, Troll)

syousef (465911) | more than 2 years ago | (#37890808)

meh... they want to give people a reason to upgrade to 4S from 4

I think considering that the iPad 2, which has a faster processor than the 4s doesn't have Siri, this is a very strong probability.

I'd go much further. I'd say it's the only reason, and those postulating other reasons are deluding themselves. We're talking about Apple here. Style over substance. Fads over usefulness. Our way or the highway.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (1)

tixxit (1107127) | more than 2 years ago | (#37890074)

I cannot imagine Apple ever considered the possibility that people would upgrade to a 4S from a 4. A 3GS, probably. A 3, most definitely. But definitely not a 4. No I do not have an iPhone. And, no, I know of no one who has even considered the possibility of upgrading their 1 year old phone so they can get Siri...

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (2, Insightful)

afabbro (33948) | more than 2 years ago | (#37890336)

Dude, it's Apple. They could take the iPhone 4, put it in a different case, call it the iPhone 5, and fanbois would line up to get one.

Heck, they could put an iPhone 3 in a new case, call it an iPhone 5, and probably most Apple fanbois would want one.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (3, Interesting)

treeves (963993) | more than 2 years ago | (#37890448)

You'd think so, but I remember seeing an article with statistics showing the older iPhone users being less likely to upgrade than the newer ones.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (1)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#37890342)

meh... they want to give people a reason to upgrade to 4S from 4

Apple could've easily built a larger server farm to handle the larger load. They chose not to.

Actually the grand parent is right, Apple knows the gimmick will fizzle out in short order (just like face time did) and there is no need to spend on new servers.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37888868)

Or maybe they just needed to invent a reason for people to buy the iphone 4S.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37888882)

Since there's not much of a technical reason the iPhone 4 cannot have Siri, I think a big part of why it's only on the 4s (and not even the iPad 2) is to help Apple understand server load from the service before it goes live for 100 million+ people.

Are you kidding? It's a big part of the product differentiation for the iPhone 4s. They just launched the iPhone 4s and made a big deal out of the new voice assistant, Siri. They want people to buy the iPhone 4s for the new voice assistant, Siri. And you're wondering if the reason that they only make the new voice assistant, Siri, available for the iPhone 4s, the phone you'll have to buy if you you want the new voice assistant, is because they want to understand server load???

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (1)

Calydor (739835) | about 2 years ago | (#37888972)

Wait, I don't get it, what's the name of that new voice assistant again?

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (1)

formfeed (703859) | about 2 years ago | (#37889142)

Wait, I don't get it, what's the name of that new voice assistant again?

Exactly!

"Hack enables Siri" is not a catchy head line.
I suggest "I can haz Siri" or "Make Siri your bitch."

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#37889114)

Are you kidding? It's a big part of the product differentiation for the iPhone 4s. They just launched the iPhone 4s and made a big deal out of the new voice assistant, Siri. They want people to buy the iPhone 4s for the new voice assistant, Siri

But they also continue to sell the iPhone 4, and even the 3Gs. Yes it is something of a differentiator but a new customer would likely end up with a 4s anyway, if for no other reason than the camera is much better.

I'm not saying that marketing was not also a factor, but I am thinking that even if that were taken out Siri would have launched iPhone 4s only for valid technical reasons.

As I said, I think later the spread of devices that can use it will get wider.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (2)

psiclops (1011105) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889420)

But they also continue to sell the iPhone 4, and even the 3Gs. Yes it is something of a differentiator but a new customer would likely end up with a 4s anyway, if for no other reason than the camera is much better.

yes true, but if siri was enabled on a 4, then less people who already have a 4 would upgrade to a 4s.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37888886)

That and IP licences; I don't see apple willing to negotiate for several million already sold and budgeted devices on what may be an interesting IP package; much easier to account into the new devices.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (1)

jbplou (732414) | about 2 years ago | (#37888982)

I might be wrong but I don't think they bought Siri on a per device license. as far as the ipad2 it's not that surprising, the iPhone 4 has a more limited voice control that does not exist on either iPad model.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37889062)

They might own siri, but not all the related possible IP issues (including database sources; there's some deal with yahoo and their YQL servers...). Think Android manufacturers and Microsoft.

That's not to say you're wrong either; there's not one simple reason for doing things in business.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (0)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 2 years ago | (#37889040)

Apple own Siri.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37889346)

Yeah, and why would MS be getting paid per android phone?

Siri's one thing, that uses a number of external sources and quite diverse IP that is bound to infringe on someone else's.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37888910)

And maybe the reason it's not on the iPad 2 is that the microphone is crapshoot compared to the iPhone, because the iPad never needed one as good (with ambiant noise canceling and such).

I know dictation software on desktops is very sensitive to the microphone quality, so it would not surprise me.

As for the iPhone 4, well if you want to sell the new one and the not the old one for 99$, it makes sense to keep the "bleeding edge" stuff for the 4S.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37888994)

That is not how you use the word "crapshoot".

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37889050)

Since there's not much of a technical reason the iPhone 4 cannot have Siri, I think a big part of why it's only on the 4s (and not even the iPad 2) is to help Apple understand server load from the service before it goes live for 100 million+ people.

I am thinking early next year Siri will be rolled out to iPhone 4 and iPad 2 owners (it may be the 3Gs is too old to handle it properly, as some audio cleanup and compression is probably done on the phone before transmission). Possibly it would even be iOS5 wide.

I would be prepared to pay for Siri as an app, as I've still got 1 1/2 years left on my current contract and so this iPhone4 will have to last till then.

Would prefer to have as an app, but if a jailbreak version comes out and that is the only way...

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37889056)

It's obviously to get people to buy the 4s.

Apple does this CONSTANTLY - they leave features out of their early versions of things just so a year later they can release the same hardware BUT WITH A CAMERA ADDED and idiot Apple fans will then plunk down another $500 for the new version.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37889178)

Or a different colour

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37889214)

Microsoft has been doing this with Windows for about 15 years and you eat that right up so what's your problem? Not successful enough to afford Apple products?

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37889282)

You mean much like the vast majority of ALL phone manufacturer's don't upgrade their hardware OS? I think the few that do (Google's and a tiny handful of others that have introduced at least one OS update) are the exception (Apple not included of course).

Please don't pretend that Apple is evil and all other manufacturer's are good when they all hold a carrot out when releasing new models. Given this is a single feature that may or may not be rolled out to the earlier iPhone 4's (the 3GS doesn't have two mic's for noise cancelation), it's a reasonable sales technique. I'm also mindful that Siri is still beta and that it may still hit the older '4' model once they understand the load and impact on the infrastructure. Given the 100+ million iPhone users, I'd be hesitant to pull the switch on all models. Introducing this on new models makes sense and any person who works in IT would consider that a valid approach.

At least Apple upgrades their iPhone OS's for years until they get to the point where performance becomes an issue due to older hardware, where most other vendors never bother to supply any updates, regardless of phone capability.

This is a primary reason Android will probably never gain any traction in a business environment. They never address any security issues exposed in the OS on a consistent basis (no vendor updates), and given the hodgepodge of versions, and the multitudes of hardware flavors, it would be an IS Security nightmare trying to keep track of which ones were compliant and which were not.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37889066)

Christ. I can't believe this never-ending stream of fanboy nonsense from SuperKendall still gets modded up.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (0)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889342)

Christ. I can't believe this never-ending stream of fanboy nonsense from SuperKendall still gets modded up.

Bump.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (1)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | more than 2 years ago | (#37891872)

Christ. I can't believe this never-ending stream of fanboy nonsense from SuperKendall still gets modded up.

Bump.

Macheads with mod points seem to be scurrying around tonight.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (4, Insightful)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889168)

Since there's not much of a technical reason the iPhone 4 cannot have Siri, I think a big part of why it's only on the 4s (and not even the iPad 2) is to help Apple understand server load from the service before it goes live for 100 million+ people.

That plausible but I'd suspect a couple other reasons too. First, when you rollout something new you want to make sure it does not get a reputation for sucking. One way to do this is to roll it out only on the best machines. And also as you say a smaller foot print helps control things. Second, I'd bet it is full of debugging code and is not optimized. It is known already it chews batteries. If you put this on older phones with tired batteries it's going to get a bad reputation.

So there's reasons besides the naked one of forcing upgrades.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37889254)

No, it's not remotely plausible. In fact, you have to be so far inside the RDF to believe so that you can probably hear Steve Jobs's post mortem bowel movements.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (1)

jrumney (197329) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889274)

Since there's not much of a technical reason the iPhone 4 cannot have Siri, I think a big part of why it's only on the 4s (and not even the iPad 2) is to help Apple understand server load from the service before it goes live for 100 million+ people.

That's a rather generous interpretation of Apple's motivation. Another interpretation might be that they needed to differentiate their minor hardware upgrade to convince iPhone 4 owners that it was worth upgrading.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (1)

Relayman (1068986) | more than 2 years ago | (#37890406)

I highly doubt Apple is expecting 4 owners, still under contract, to pay a penalty to upgrade to 4S. There are plenty of people like me for whom the 4S is their first iPhone.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37891198)

I highly doubt Apple is expecting 4 owners, still under contract, to pay a penalty to upgrade to 4S.

Okay, can we agree at least that they would like them to do so? And if so then is it completely fucking obvious that it makes sense to give them more reasons to do so if possible?

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (1)

Oscar_Wilde (170568) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889364)

I am thinking early next year Siri will be rolled out to iPhone 4 and iPad 2 owners

No doubt I'll be wrong in some spectacular way but my guess is that it'll be a paid option for the iPhone 4 and iPad 2. If that's correct it'll probably cost Apple's usual "token" amount of $10 or so.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (2)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889412)

I am thinking early next year Siri will be rolled out to iPhone 4 and iPad 2 owners (it may be the 3Gs is too old to handle it properly, as some audio cleanup and compression is probably done on the phone before transmission).

My brain may be addled, but I believe I was using Siri as a stand-alone app on my 3GS already, before it was bought up by Apple? As it's own app, it was not as good as the integrated thing it has become, but it was okay for searches. I also was using Apple's own voice recognition on my 3GS 2 years ago to dial numbers or "call home" or what not. Wasn't terribly good, which is why I hardly used it, but all I had to do was press and hold down the single button until it came up.

The reason it's not on the 3GS/4 is to make it an exclusive feature on the 4s as a reason to upgrade to it. Not that I care. I bought mine on the features it had at the time, not future promises. What make the 4s worth my while is the factory unlocked version coming to the US in November that's compatible with all networks (Verizon, Sprint, ATT, GSM worldwide). Since I travel internationally to a select few countries, I'm really anticipating a phone where I can swap out native sim cards at will, so I don't have to pay the ridiculous international roaming fees or carry 2 phones.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37889464)

Factory unlocked phones don't work with Verizon or Sprint according to Apple's website. However Verizon has confirmed they will unlock after 60 days for international GSM use. Sprint has issued a pair of completely confusing statements that indicate they will unlock, relock, unlock or something like that.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (3, Informative)

Sancho (17056) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889556)

FYI, the unlocked version is GSM-only. (Fine print at the bottom of http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iphone/iphone4s [apple.com] )

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 2 years ago | (#37890032)

Oh okay. They changed the wording on that since I looked at it when the 4s first came out and it seemed to be able to use all carriers. Too bad I can't use all US carriers.

Re:A though on why the iPhone 4 does not have Siri (1)

Sancho (17056) | more than 2 years ago | (#37890106)

I was pretty disappointed, too. I'd like to be able to easily try out different carriers, or get a prepaid US SIM for times when Sprint has poor service while I'm travelling. Unfortunately, I suspect that the reason for the lockdowns is totally to do with the carriers.

Correct link (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37888826)

http://www.redmondpie.com/jailbreak-iphone-4s-5.0.1-ios-by-iphone-dev-team/

Does siri translate this? (1)

matthiasvegh (1800634) | about 2 years ago | (#37888894)

"(...) a certain eminent iPhone hacker has let us know that the has already been jailbroken with a jailbreak for iPad 2 in the works."

+1 this, somebody, now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37889266)

+1 this, somebody, like right now.

Impossible to enable Siri. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37889048)

The heavy lifting is done on Apple's servers, not locally on the phone.

Re:Impossible to enable Siri. (1)

kanto (1851816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889406)

The heavy lifting is done on Apple's servers, not locally on the phone.

That's kind of eerie when you think about it...

In corporate America, Apple has you in their pocket.

Re:Impossible to enable Siri. (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889712)

Actually, if you can fool Apples servers into thinking you have a 4s (by modifying what goes out over the network) then you can get it working.

Siri... who cares? (1)

The Living Fractal (162153) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889276)

When can I get a phone with WATSON??

Re:Siri... who cares? (3, Funny)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889602)

I wouldn't use it to book flights.

"Watson, I need a flight to Chicago."

"Booking your flight for Toronto; would you like an isle seat or WHAT IS LEG?"

You mean the hack "re-enables" Siri (5, Informative)

Sardaukar0 (541236) | more than 2 years ago | (#37889998)

Siri was, of course, available as an app for iPhones going back to the original 2G, correct? And on 4S launch day, Apple (having bought Siri from the original developer) disabled Siri for everyone who was already using it, in a naked attempt to force their loyal fanbase to upgrade, if I'm not mistaken? It's amazing to me how Apple fanboys can continue to stay so fanatically loyal after every punch in the beanbag from Cupertino.

Re:You mean the hack "re-enables" Siri (4, Informative)

Relayman (1068986) | more than 2 years ago | (#37890396)

You can replace Siri the app with Vlingo the app. Free.

Re:You mean the hack "re-enables" Siri (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37891532)

Siri was, of course, available as an app for iPhones going back to the original 2G, correct? And on 4S launch day, Apple (having bought Siri from the original developer) disabled Siri for everyone who was already using it, in a naked attempt to force their loyal fanbase to upgrade, if I'm not mistaken?

It's amazing to me how Apple fanboys can continue to stay so fanatically loyal after every punch in the beanbag from Cupertino.

I totally agree. Apple repeatedly screwed me over with my humble 3G (not the 3GS) and so I have gone Android last month. I am not sorry Apple - you do not deserve my custom.

Re:You mean the hack "re-enables" Siri (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37891674)

Siri was, of course, available as an app for iPhones going back to the original 2G, correct? And on 4S launch day, Apple (having bought Siri from the original developer) disabled Siri for everyone who was already using it, in a naked attempt to force their loyal fanbase to upgrade, if I'm not mistaken?

Yes, Apple bought Siri: a company with a neat service they were *giving away* in hopes of someday finding a business model. Apple continued to support the original *free* Siri app from April 2010 until October 2011, when Apple revealed the way they intend to support this tech for the long haul: as a feature of another product that gets paid for. How horrible that somebody who once provided you a service no longer provides it for free. How terrible for you that Apple wants some money in exchange for their service. How will you freetards go on with your lives?

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