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Multi-Target Photo-Radar System To Make Speeding Riskier

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the time-to-finish-building-that-stealth-buick dept.

Government 506

mrquagmire writes with this excerpt from Engadget: "Go easy on the gas, Speed Racer, because Cordon is on its way. Developed by Simicon, this new speed sensor promises to take highway surveillance to new heights of precision. Unlike most photo radar systems, which track only one violator at a time, Simicon's device can simultaneously identify and follow up to 32 vehicles across four lanes. Whenever a car enters its range, the Cordon will automatically generate two images: one from wide-angle view and one closeup shot of the vehicle's license plate. It's also capable of instantly measuring a car's speed and mapping its position, and can easily be synced with other databases via WiFi, 3G or WiMAX."

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506 comments

Oh Lord. (1)

Kid Zero (4866) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898462)

Thank God county Sheriff's can't get/use radar here. Still, it'll make going through towns that much worse.

Re:Oh Lord. (-1, Troll)

sanosuke001 (640243) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898592)

How about you just don't speed, you jack-off...

Re:Oh Lord. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898650)

How about you just stay at home, you jack-off...

Re:Oh Lord. (3, Interesting)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898658)

How about you just don't speed, you jack-off...

Research has repeatedly shown that the safest drivers are around the 85th percentile by speed. If lots of people are breaking the speed limit, then it's set below that level. If the limit is set below that level and you drive below it, you're a more dangerous driver than many of those who are speeding.

Re:Oh Lord. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898698)

Source?

Re:Oh Lord. (0)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898778)

Source?

I take it that typing '85th percentile speed' into Google is too much for you? You don't even have to do much typing as it appears as one of the first choices in the menu.

Re:Oh Lord. (3, Insightful)

blair1q (305137) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898756)

The 85th percentile of what?

Oh, of the speed people are going because of where the speed limit is set.

All speed limits are initialized to federal standard guidelines.

Almost never is a speed limit changed, except when the local OCD mommies get a hair up their ass and lower a perfectly good 50 to 35 for a 24/7 school zone, or a 40 to a 25 because their similarly brain-addled kids can't be trusted to stay the fuck out of the street.

Re:Oh Lord. (1)

Arlet (29997) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898998)

So, if current speed limits are set by this 85th percentile rule, it follows that the safest speed is the actual speed limit. Therefore, you still shouldn't be speeding.

Re:Oh Lord. (2)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898692)

I don't know, I tend to drive slower when I do that.

Re:Oh Lord. (2)

Beat The Odds (1109173) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898784)

How about you just don't speed, you jack-off...

I'd like to point out to you that most speed limit are ridiculously LOW.

Case in point, the expressways in the major metropolitan city in the U.S. called Chicago where the speed limit on the expressways is 55 MPH. From my estimation, the number of drivers at or below the speed limit is approximately 5%. I also estimate that the average speed of all drivers is approximately 70-75 MPH.

Now what does this tell you about how "reasonable" the posted speed limits are?

As a matter of fact, those who drive the speed limit in the left lane create a tremendous danger for everyone.

Re:Oh Lord. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37899058)

As a matter of fact, those who drive the speed limit in the left lane create a tremendous danger for everyone.

Many states acknowledge that fact by making it a punishable offense to purposefully slow down traffic in the left lane regardless of the posted limit.

Re:Oh Lord. (1)

stewbee (1019450) | more than 2 years ago | (#37899084)

THIS x 100

I grew up and lived in Michigan for most of my life until 2005 when I moved to Chicagoland. I was amazed at how many people did not respect the left lane to be reserved for those that want to pass or go faster. I guess I have since gotten used to it. Now the left lane is seldom where you want to be for the reason you just stated. I find myself going slower in that lane than others.

Oh, and I would second that there are seldom people driving the posted speed limits in Chicago when not in rush hour.

Re:Oh Lord. (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898844)

How about because going above the speed limit isn't inherently unsafe. Many areas are nothing more than speed traps designed for maximum revenue, not maximum safety.

Try some 'civility' you nanny-state, big brother, big government nut.

Re:Oh Lord. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898638)

Thank God county Sheriff's can't get/use radar here. Still, it'll make going through towns that much worse.

Don't worry, it's only a matter of time before groups band together with similarly high-tech devices to combat these things, like baseball bats.

Re:Oh Lord. (4, Insightful)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898780)

I would be tempted to say that if you can't speed anymore, then the device has done its job. Supposedly, speed limits are here for the good of the people.

Now, if only those speed limits were defined in a sensible fashion. How many times have I seen 2x 3 lanes highway limited at 50kph ? (I live in France)

I'm sure in the US there are also those places where the speed limits are just... insanely ridiculous.

So, when it was down to getting caught by the occasional police officer hidden in the bushes, the game was fair. If those automated radars become commonplace, then for the game to remain fair, they *must* revisit speed limits in most places. Because if we have to respect those speed limits *everywhere*, driving is going to become a PITA pretty soon. And nobody will benefit from this.

Re:Oh Lord. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37899008)

I'm sure in the US there are also those places where the speed limits are just... insanely ridiculous.

They are, but unfortunately the lowest speed limits are still faster than the bottom 33% of drivers can handle safely.

It's often struck me that speed limits in residential areas should be lower than the 30mph they are in Minnesota, and the limits should be higher on straight-lane highways in rural areas. (It won't make a difference if you hit that deer at 65mph or at 90mph in your Honda Civic, anyway.)

Re:Oh Lord. (1)

Maxwell'sSilverLART (596756) | more than 2 years ago | (#37899114)

I would be tempted to say that if you can't speed anymore, then the device has done its job. Supposedly, speed limits are here for the good of the people.

Now, if only those speed limits were defined in a sensible fashion. How many times have I seen 2x 3 lanes highway limited at 50kph ? (I live in France)

I'm sure in the US there are also those places where the speed limits are just... insanely ridiculous.

So, when it was down to getting caught by the occasional police officer hidden in the bushes, the game was fair. If those automated radars become commonplace, then for the game to remain fair, they *must* revisit speed limits in most places. Because if we have to respect those speed limits *everywhere*, driving is going to become a PITA pretty soon. And nobody will benefit from this.

As you seem to have grasped--but not articulated--speed limits are not for the good of the people, they're for the good of the revenuers.

Re:Oh Lord. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37899116)

I'm sure in the US there are also those places where the speed limits are just... insanely ridiculous.

Yes, it's called the Interstate Highway System.

Re:Oh Lord. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898850)

So what's going to happen when I demand to face my accuser, dismissed... Enough with camera crap already.

Position AND Speed (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898484)

I am dubious...

Speed AND Position? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898492)

So this thing must have Heisenberg compensators.

Re:Speed AND Position? (1)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898572)

But for some reason the pattern buffer is going to get confused a lot, and we're going to have a lot of interesting hybrid car/truck accidents. oh, the ensuing hijinks!

How does it differ from single radar systems? (0)

Compaqt (1758360) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898506)

Congratulations on getting your Slashvertisment on the front page, but how does this differ from single radar systems? Other than the fact that it tracks multiple cars, but don't the reasons brought up by defendants in court regarding these systems still hold up?

And will they allow us to see the source code for Cordon?

You Lose (0)

alphatel (1450715) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898508)

If you watch the video, you'll see that unless the car is stopped or stopping it is speeding. More proof that speed limits below 45 mph on four lane roads are there for the tax breaks and ticket generation.

Re:You Lose (1)

Arlet (29997) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898612)

More likely: it's a demonstration by the manufacturer, where limits for red/yellow have been placed much lower than normal.

With regular speed limits, traffic would be zipping by so fast, you wouldn't be able to read the plates or the tags.

Re:You Lose (1)

sanosuke001 (640243) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898634)

You should still follow posted speed limits, even if you don't agree with them. Instead of complaining about tickets, run for office or attend government meetings and propose changes.

Re:You Lose (3, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898674)

Instead of complaining about tickets, run for office or attend government meetings and propose changes.

Yeah, that'll work.

'Look, I know you get a sizeable amount of your revenue from taxing those who drive at more than X mph, but you really should stop because it's very silly.'

Re:You Lose (1)

Arlet (29997) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898714)

Propose to raise income tax at the same time, so revenue stays the same.

Re:You Lose (2, Insightful)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898828)

Simple solution. Stop speeding. If people didn't speed, then the government wouldn't get any ticket revenues, and would be forced to find another income source (such as a direct tax). Personally, I'm glad that there are so many morons out there who pay extra taxes in order to reach their destination a few minutes quicker. Less tax burden for me!

Re:You Lose (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37899018)

You're the kind of idiot who would propose people to stop breathing if government made it illegal. The problem isn't the drivers, it's the limits.

Re:You Lose (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37899142)

Or they would simply lower the speed limit further or further complicate traffic law such that they can issue tickets still.

Re:You Lose (1)

orthancstone (665890) | more than 2 years ago | (#37899126)

You should still follow posted speed limits, even if you don't agree with them. Instead of complaining about tickets, run for office or attend government meetings and propose changes.

You'd be better off talking to the engineers that work on the recommendations. They'll give you an intelligent response to any questions/suggestions and, as a bonus, you won't feel dirty for dealing with politicians directly.

So who gets the ticket... (2)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898526)

...when my Google car is driving itself above the speed limit?

Re:So who gets the ticket... (3, Informative)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898716)

You! The Google car team is clear about that, I am not sure why this keeps coming up again and again. Its you driving the car with aids, what ever they may be.

Re:So who gets the ticket... (0)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898746)

You! The Google car team is clear about that, I am not sure why this keeps coming up again and again. Its you driving the car with aids, what ever they may be.

What if I'm just driving it with HIV?

Re:So who gets the ticket... (2)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898870)

Then you should always practice safe driving and consult with your doctor before taking a passenger.

Re:So who gets the ticket... (1)

khallow (566160) | more than 2 years ago | (#37899138)

Be sure to strap on a condom before you get behind the wheel!

Re:So who gets the ticket... (4, Funny)

mingot (665080) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898816)

You meant driving the car with ads, right?

This is google we're talking about.

Do speed traps work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898528)

You get ticketed if you are going over the speed limit, does that actually curb vehicular accidents or is it just a speed tax?

Re:Do speed traps work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898706)

Or, more fundamentally than that, do accidents increase with speed? Montana says no...

Re:Do speed traps work? (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898732)

Or, more fundamentally than that, do accidents increase with speed? Montana says no...

And does speed increase with speed limits?

I know in the UK there have been cases where increasing speed limits lead to reduced speeds on the roads; when the limit was set way too low people ignored it and drove as fast as they liked, whereas when the limit was raised to a sensible level they stuck to it.

Re:Do speed traps work? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898758)

Gee, a state with a million square miles and six cars doesn't find speeding to be a problem. Who'd a thunk it.

Re:Do speed traps work? (2)

mooingyak (720677) | more than 2 years ago | (#37899004)

IIRC, speed does not increase the likelihood of an accident, but it does increase the severity when they occur.

Re:Do speed traps work? (1)

lorenlal (164133) | more than 2 years ago | (#37899010)

My impression is that it's mostly a speed tax and revenue generation. The studies seem to be conflicted on whether or not a speed limit is safer overall.

The only consensus is that when an accident happens, it's more likely to be fatal at higher speeds... No consensus on whether or not it actually reduces incidents. Some studies say that more deaths occur with higher speeds... But my 5 minutes of research isn't turning up much to answer the question clearly.

Only a matter of time (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898550)

It's only a matter of time before our own cars start giving us tickets like in the movie Fifth Element.

Re:Only a matter of time (1)

INeededALogin (771371) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898978)

You have 1 point left on your license.

Fortunately here in South Carolina (4, Funny)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898554)

Fortunately South Carolina has Bubba.

Bubba comes in many shapes and sizes (mostly rotund). Bubba likes to shoot and shiny objects that Uncle Sam sets up alongside the road.

Bubba works for the good of mankind by filling full of holes things like street signs, street lights, and traffic cameras.

A speed limit sign, or deer-crossing sign you can just about still use even when it is full of holes. Speed cameras are pretty much useless after the first shot.

Re:Fortunately here in South Carolina (5, Informative)

EmagGeek (574360) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898620)

What also helps is that unattended speed enforcement is illegal in South Carolina. An actual living, breathing officer has to have witnessed the violation, made the measurement himself, made actual, person to person contact with the driver, issued the summons, and collected the drivers signature.

Unmanned photo traffic enforcement is a big no-no in SC.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/31/3176.asp [thenewspaper.com]

Re:Fortunately here in South Carolina (1)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898712)

That's interesting- I didn't know that. I really did figure we didn't have detection devices like that because they'd get shot.

Re:Fortunately here in South Carolina (0)

EmagGeek (574360) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898884)

Believe it or not some (but not terribly many) things really do make sense here in the South :)

Now, if they'd only get rid of that asinine ban on open carry, and reform our ridiculous welfare system...

Re:Fortunately here in South Carolina (1)

Fned (43219) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898648)

'Course, just before the camera goes, it gets a pic of your plate.

Which is why you do this with your cousin's truck.

Re:Fortunately here in South Carolina (2)

Tanktalus (794810) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898768)

Which is why you do this with your cousin's truck.

So, what, that's any truck with SC plates other than your own? You may want to provide a bit more help and also exclude anyone you live with, including your wife, parents, kids, etc.

Re:Fortunately here in South Carolina (0)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898922)

'Course, just before the camera goes, it gets a pic of your plate.

Which is why you do this with your cousin's truck.

You mean your wife's? They can probably still trace it back to you...

Re:Fortunately here in South Carolina (1)

Jawnn (445279) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898774)

Fortunately South Carolina has Bubba.

Bubba comes in many shapes and sizes (mostly rotund). Bubba likes to shoot and shiny objects that Uncle Sam sets up alongside the road.

Bubba works for the good of mankind by filling full of holes things like street signs, street lights, and traffic cameras.

A speed limit sign, or deer-crossing sign you can just about still use even when it is full of holes. Speed cameras are pretty much useless after the first shot.

I think you're being a bit generous here. A quick survey shows that it takes Bubba an average of at least a half-dozen shots to actually bag that deer on the deer-crossing sign. Also, the camera is going to have taken several "shots" before Bubba can even put down his beer. Hardly a fair fight, I know, but it's the gub--mint we're talking about here, so there you go.

Re:Fortunately here in South Carolina (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#37899034)

I know, but it's the gub--mint we're talking about here, so there you go.

Epic win, right here.

Clearly you've been down here!

Must increase revenue streams. (1)

jazman_777 (44742) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898560)

I tell the children when I see a policeman with a radar gun that "he's on a revenue drive."

Solution: Tailgate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898562)

Based on the video the solution is that if you are speeding, you should also tailgate.

Meet my friends (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898566)

Hello Cordon I'd like you to meet my friend EMP.

And just in case you're shielded meet my sexy friend Ms. Rifle.

you realize... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898722)

You know an EMP would fry your car as well as all the cars around you right? this might just kill people when all the electronics governing everything just shut down.

Re:you realize... (1)

PIBM (588930) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898994)

When will we get targetted EMP ? Is is there yet ? :)

GPS Enabled Cars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898576)

Why not cut out the middle man and just require all cars to have a GPS system that is always on, calculates the car's speed, checks the car's location against a database of published speed limits and alerts the authorities/automatically debits the drivers checking account every time the speed goes above the limit? Then instead of paying traffic cops to sit by the side of the road we could pay them to fight real criminals (with the money from all of the speeding tickets).

Re:GPS Enabled Cars (1)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898668)

Great idea big brother!

Better yet, let's put one in your head instead.
That way the police, government, your employer and your wife will always know where you are.

Re:GPS Enabled Cars (1)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898822)

This would actually be the optimal solution, because as soon as this becomes ubiquitous, some 18 year old with some time on his hands is going to crack the system to route all speeding messages to localhost, and send out nothing but dummy "everything's cool, no speeding detected" packets to the police database at whatever interval is required to verify that the system is still online, actual speed of the car be damned.

Re:GPS Enabled Cars (1)

TheCouchPotatoFamine (628797) | more than 2 years ago | (#37899132)

because the packets from the GPS would be routed to LOCAL receivers whose position is known! If you sped to get to a city, you couldn't say you were in that city before the "normal" speed limit would get you there... so just broadcasting your speed, even if the speed is normal, would be a dead giveaway. Didn't think of that huh? :-)

Re:GPS Enabled Cars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898954)

Why not cut out the middle man and just require all cars to have a GPS system that is always on, calculates the car's speed, checks the car's location against a database of published speed limits and alerts the authorities/automatically debits the drivers checking account every time the speed goes above the limit?

[sarcasm] because that would be an invasion of privacy [/sarcasm]

GPS does not work all over and in cases it can (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#37899000)

GPS does not work all over and in cases it can say you are on a side road when you are on the highway next to it.

a balanced view? (0, Troll)

ThorGod (456163) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898640)

pro: Who hasn't been passed by a jerk going 15 (at least) over the limit and wished there were someone around to catch them.
con: Does anyone have 'perfect speed' all the time? Especially coming down hills or just going with the flow of traffic?

cars tagged with a green dot are traveling below the speed limit, those with a yellow marking are chugging along within an acceptable range above the limit, while vehicles with a red tab are just asking for trouble

There's some leeway built into the system, and it looks like it's about 5 (mph?)

Re:a balanced view? (2)

blair1q (305137) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898820)

Read "acceptable range" as "tolerance of the measuring device". If they set a hard limit at the actual limit, they'd lose in court too often to make a profit.

Re:a balanced view? (1)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898860)

pro: Who hasn't been passed by a jerk going 15 (at least) over the limit and wished there were someone around to catch them.
con: Does anyone have 'perfect speed' all the time? Especially coming down hills or just going with the flow of traffic?

I've never seen my cruise control be more than about 2-3mph over whatever I've set it at, even on downward slopes.

Re:a balanced view? (1)

ThorGod (456163) | more than 2 years ago | (#37899098)

I've never seen my cruise control be more than about 2-3mph over whatever I've set it at, even on downward slopes.

This isn't meant for *just* rural roads.

Re:a balanced view? (1)

duranaki (776224) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898934)

I actually wish they'd spend more time addressing your pro point. Rather than just making sure people aren't speeding, how about making sure people aren't passing people at too great a difference in speed? Or cutting people off with too little space?

Bizarre Obsession with Speed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898678)

If staters were as concerned over highway safety as they are with speed, think of how wonderful our highways would be.

Re:Bizarre Obsession with Speed (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898704)

If staters were as concerned over highway safety as they are with speed, think of how wonderful our highways would be.

Speeding tickets bring in money. Improving roads to improve safety costs money.

QED.

A new system still building on the wrong idea. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898680)

Every frequent speeder will know where the camera's are and just slow down for that bit of lane. And continue speeding after.

Take a look at the Netherlands: Trajectory control. You get tagged at A, X-miles down the road you get tagged again and if your average speed is too high you get booked. This leaves room for overtaking other cars without fear of getting booked, actually making traffic safer and eliminates the breaking for a single point measurement. Also because the points are so far apart the accuracy is better.

Re:A new system still building on the wrong idea. (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898872)

Not every one.

The local camera trappers have scads of cases of people getting flashed daily, sometimes multiple times per day, even going at ridiculous speeds (they had one person doing 100-135 mph in a 65 zone in literally dozens of instances.)

P.S. You're not supposed to break the limit when overtaking, either.

Re:A new system still building on the wrong idea. (1)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898910)

I've seen toll roads do this as well. They give you a stamped ticket when you get on, and check it when you get off to determine how far you were on the road in order to determine your appropriate toll, and your average speed as well to determine if you need a ticket. Solution? Stop at one of the restaurants that are at service depots on the toll road for lunch, speeding all you want to get there and all you want on the way out. your average speed will still likely be less than the speed limit unless your lunch is 30 seconds or you're trying to top out a ferrari.

Re:A new system still building on the wrong idea. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37899106)

Bullshit. You've seen morons CLAIM that toll roads do that. Show documented evidence of anywhere that actually does it.

Re:A new system still building on the wrong idea. (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#37899136)

This kind of defeats the purposes of speeding to begin with. Most of us don't do it for the fun of it, we do it because we're anxious to be where we are going.

32 targets? And that's all? (1)

ingo23 (848315) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898734)

You got to be kidding - it can only track 32 targets?

S-300 SAM [wikipedia.org] can track up to 100 and engage up to 12.

That's what would make speeding riskier.

How many targets that puny Cordon can engage at once?

Revenue or Safety? (3, Insightful)

Lev13than (581686) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898736)

Seems like a very complicated way to collect taxes.

A useful application would be to target those vehicles which are going more than 10% (or 10km/h or whatever) faster than everyone else. That would actually improve safety and make the highway system more efficient (homogenous traffic reduces braking/lane changes and increases throughput). However, that's not the primary goal of highway speed enforcement so it will never happen

Re:Revenue or Safety? (1)

mclearn (86140) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898838)

Wow. The multi-target radar system is *more* complicated than your proposal, is it? I'd like to see how you quantify your variables and make it hold up in a court of law.

Look, I'm all for simplicity especially when it comes to rules and laws, but anything that is "relative" is asking for interpretation and hence, more complexity.

Re:Revenue or Safety? (1)

Arlet (29997) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898880)

Seems like a very complicated way to collect taxes.

I like taxes that I can legally avoid paying, though.

Re:Revenue or Safety? (1)

space_jake (687452) | more than 2 years ago | (#37899044)

Can't have that, time to implement the safe driving tax...

Ok fine then... (2, Interesting)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898750)

Then WHEN this has been implemented for a while... and tickets go up.... and there is no difference at all in accidents or deaths....

can we THEN admit that we have hit the point of diminishing returns wrt enforcement vs actual safety?

We keep seeing more rules or better enforcement... and yet.... don't seem to see corresponding improvements in safety. In fact, the only improvements in real safety that I have seen, have all come from safety devices in cars, like air bags.

We saw it in NY, when talking on phones was banned, and a study was able to verify that yes, people really were switching to headsets or not talking... more than a 60% drop in OBSERVED use...but.... no change at all in deaths or accidents. Yet somehow... that was explained away as not having any meaning (because if the report doesn't say we need more enforcement and more penalties, then its clearly not valid right?)

Re:Ok fine then... (4, Informative)

Sebastopol (189276) | more than 2 years ago | (#37899104)

wow, those are interesting claims. data references please?

because my sources say speed cameras DO work, and on TWO DIFFERENT continents.

http://www.physorg.com/news140443278.html [physorg.com]
http://alttransport.com/2010/10/7966/ [alttransport.com]

nice try, Speed Trollster.

Who needs laws (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898772)

From the looks of those drivers, they don't follow any kind of road laws. When someone can't even stay in their own lane, how can we expect them to obey speed limits?

Tin foil hats (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898792)

The time has come to stockpile tinfoil hats. Large ones. And then put them over these cameras if/when they show up near you.

Fortunately... (1)

RandCraw (1047302) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898812)

...It costs a billion dollars.

Multi-truck drifting! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898814)

Owns traffic cameras.

Two anomalies (2)

blair1q (305137) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898940)

First of all, what is the freaking speed limit on that road?

The only cars in the green are the ones coming to a stop in frame.

Second, I spotted one car with a green indicator accelerating away from a following car with a yellow indicator. So the thing isn't really discriminating accurately.

If I'm ever popped by this system, that piece of video will be my defense.

Cordon Multi-Target Radar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898962)

Nice idea, but its going to take lots of new employees to be able to decipher who's speeding and who's not and well, its nothing that a shotgun or a bb gun can't take care of at a distance ... hehehehe !

Riskier? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37898972)

So it wouldn't be speeding that gets riskier (who'll want a system to do that?) but being caught when speeding.

Could be used to catch other unsafe drivers (2)

Ichijo (607641) | more than 2 years ago | (#37898990)

They also need to take current conditions into account (wet roads, fog, etc.) to determine if someone is breaking the basic speed [wikipedia.org] law, even when they are driving below the posted speed limit.

And if they can do all that, they can objectively determine if you're tailgating (driving on a road too close to the vehicle in front, at a distance which does not guarantee that stopping to avoid collision is possible [wikipedia.org] ).

Because so many people tailgate according this definition, this technology has the potential to make roads a lot safer!

Speeding kills (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37899052)

Make the roads safer. You do not have a right to drive fast. Speeding Kills. Slow down.

Video (1)

Peter Simpson (112887) | more than 2 years ago | (#37899088)

The tech side of me thinks the video is awesome -- display of speed and ANR result in real time. Pretty cool. The driver side of me thinks that I'm far more likely to get a ticket in the mail which I wouldn't be able to contest. After all, we have the vendor's *word* that the displayed speed and ANR results are accurate and true, but all of us engineers know that no design is perfect...

The Police State (1, Interesting)

labnet (457441) | more than 2 years ago | (#37899090)

Speed Limits are arbitary limits which do not take into account
- Weather
- Vehicle type: are you a sports car or a truck
- Driver skill / fatigue

I think most western countries have passed the sweet stop of punative surveilance vs safety 10 years ago. It is now about revenue raising for states that are cash strapped. The cordon system takes this to a new level. In fact I thought of developing a system like this, and thought no, as it doesn't do the public any good.

What would be better is a fine system that is relative to risk. eg Lets say you had a GPS speed tracker (ingnore the big brother issues for this example). You get 'fined' (taxed) 1c for every km you exceed the speed limitby 1-10km/hr. 10c 11-20km/hr. $1 21-30km/hr. $10 31-40 km/hr. $100 41-50km/hr. $1000 51-60km/hr. then add a linear factor for vehicle type.
Insurance companies make these type of calculations all the time. There is no reason why government could not calculate the monetary cost of speeding (ie increased accident rate caused by speeding). Of course, this sort of thinking is way outside the box for a goverment and will never happen (and they would balls up the calculation), and we will have to live with $150 fines for exceeding the speed limit by 10% on a downhill slope.

"radar" is too imprecise (0)

FrankSchwab (675585) | more than 2 years ago | (#37899092)

So, it precisely identifies every vehicle in it's frame of view - and just how accurate is it at actually matching speed with a vehicle?

With normal traffic radar, the only guarantee that you really have is "something was going 72 mph" - there's no guarantee that the vehicle being pointed at was doing that speed. Motorcycle enthusiasts have pointed out repeatedly that a truck four times further away from the radar gun than a motorcycle will be tracked instead of the motorcycle, as will other vehicles in different lanes, going either direction.

Unless this uses a laser or similar technology to actually track the license plate, it's just another inaccurate revenue generator. /frank

Can it nab red-light runners too? (2)

bareman (60518) | more than 2 years ago | (#37899112)

If so I want a dozen of these in my city. On my drive into work this morning three cars zipped through the red light 2.5 seconds after it had changed. On my walk during lunch hour at another intersection I watch 2 more vehicles blow through the just-barely red before they entered the intersection.

Rather than citations, I'd like auto-cannons installed to gun down the offenders.

Good thing I'm getting older (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37899118)

Somehow going 20 over the speed limit is a lot less attractive than it used to be. I guess the next step to is practice ignoring my blinker.

EZ-Pass? (1)

chocolatetrumpet (73058) | more than 2 years ago | (#37899144)

In New York State, passage on many of the highways requires tolls. Many of us use an electronic system called EZ-Pass to pay the tolls. It's especially pleasant to avoid having to roll down the window during the cold winter.

Instead of all this fancy monitoring gear, you could just look at the times from toll to toll. It would be impossible to prove that a vehicle was never speeding, but easy to prove that it definitely was speeding.

I already feel my environment is overly draconian so I've never been one to advocate such a system.

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