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Anonymous Cancels Drug-Ring Attack

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the easier-said-than-done dept.

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snydeq writes "Anonymous supporters have backed off threats to expose Zeta drug gang collaborators, an operation launched in early October as a retaliation for an alleged kidnapping of an Anonymous follower by the Mexico-based drug gang. Members of Anonymous had posted a video claiming the group could identify journalists, police officers, and taxi drivers who collaborate with the Zeta crime syndicate. Zeta has not shied away from targeting its online critics. In September the crime group hung two people from an overpass warning bloggers and 'online snitches' to beware. The decapitated body of another social-media reporter was found later with a similar warning. Worried about the impact on both misidentified people and Anonymous followers, other supporters of the Anonymous movement worked to dismantle the operation over the weekend. In effect, the group canceled the attack, according to online news site Milenio."

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Tough guys (5, Insightful)

SharkLaser (2495316) | about 2 years ago | (#37911372)

Not so tough now, are you Anonymous?

Their "we can do anything, beware us!!" pissing contest quickly turned around when they realized shit just got real.

Re:Tough guys (4, Insightful)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#37911394)

Their "we can do anything, beware us!!" pissing contest quickly turned around when they realized shit just got real.

...when they stopped messing with the FBI and defense contractors and moved up to Mexican drug cartels.

Re:Tough guys (2, Insightful)

v1 (525388) | about 2 years ago | (#37911464)

when they stopped messing with the FBI and defense contractors and moved up to Mexican drug cartels.

And here I thought those two would be about on even ground in terms of power, ruthlessness, and lawlessness. But clearly the Zetas have the FBI beat on overall intimidation. Guess that's the difference between getting dumped in prison vs hung from an overpass?

Re:Tough guys (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911540)

And here I thought those two would be about on even ground in terms of power, ruthlessness, and lawlessness.

Yes, because the FBI beheads people and leaves their corpses to rot on the side of the road all the time. I think it's even taught in the first year at the academy.
You libtards never cease to amaze.

Re:Tough guys (0)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#37911606)

Maybe he was thinking of the CIA that picks up random middle-eastern dudes and tortures the shit out of them (as in, electrocution, and dick cutting followed by salted lime juice, not just waterboarding).

Re:Tough guys (1)

AvitarX (172628) | about 2 years ago | (#37911650)

Still not as bad as picking up busloads of random people, arming them with small blades, forcing them to fight to the death, then sending the winner on a suicide mission.

Yes, CIA is bad, but Zeta is worse.

Re:Tough guys (3, Funny)

cayenne8 (626475) | about 2 years ago | (#37911834)

Don't we have some armed drones we could use along the MX border?

I mean, if you're crossing illegallly....you're an invader...*BOOM*.

Might that not cut down traffic a bit?

And heck...good target practice for picking off terrorists in other parts of the world.

Re:Tough guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911642)

Regarding the FBI, more likely flipped for information than imprisoned. So the FBI successes would not be as easily recognizable in the short term.

Re:Tough guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911792)

Um... the hangings and other bullshit mentioned happened back in September.

Whatever it is that really caused Anon. to back off wasn't made clear in the article. So, what are you really chest-beating about? Get real, yourself.

Re:Tough guys (5, Insightful)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | about 2 years ago | (#37911810)

The FBI will not come to one's house; rape and kill one's wife, girlfriend, mother, daughters, and/or sisters while making one watch; and then torture one to death, cut off one's head and leave it in one's lap for the police.
 
Comparing the FBI to the drug cartels is a text book example of one' foolish hyperbole undermining one's argument.

Re:Tough guys (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911896)

The FBI will not come to one's house; rape and kill one's wife, girlfriend, mother, daughters, and/or sisters while making one watch; and then torture one to death, cut off one's head and leave it in one's lap for the police.

No instead they will come to one's house; rape and kill one's wife, girlfriend, mother, daughters, and/or sisters while making one watch; and then torture one to death, Then frame you for the rape and killing of your family and have the world think you committed suicide over your horrible crime.

Re:Tough guys (2)

cobrausn (1915176) | about 2 years ago | (#37911992)

C'mon, AC, everyone knows that's the CIA's gig, not the FBI. The FBI would rather work to turn you into a terrorist so they can catch you, put out a press release, and justify their budget.

Re:Tough guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911970)

The FBI will not come to one's house; rape and kill one's wife, girlfriend, mother, daughters, and/or sisters while making one watch; and then torture one to death, cut off one's head and leave it in one's lap for the police.

Cue the usual dumbfuck smartass coming into this thread, claiming he knows a friend of a brother of a guy who works for a guy who read some story about the FBI where they...

Re:Tough guys (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37912042)

The FBI will not come to one's house; rape and kill one's wife, girlfriend, mother, daughters, and/or sisters while making one watch; and then torture one to death, cut off one's head and leave it in one's lap for the police.

You sir, are in violation of the NDA you signed when you registered for the RIAA/MPAA "Privatized Copyright Enforcement" workshop. The Zeta consultant shared these ideas with us in strict confidence.

Re:Tough guys (1)

thecrotch (2464404) | about 2 years ago | (#37912044)

I think his point was that proves that they're a bunch of cowards, they're afraid to go after anyone who isn't bound by the law. I agree, 'Anonymous' is a joke. It's nothing more than a group of script kiddies who are good at marketing themselves.

Re:Tough guys (1)

Kjella (173770) | about 2 years ago | (#37911844)

I think it's more that the FBI has to make criminal charges, the drug cartels indiscriminately kill everyone involved. That makes it a lot more dangerous to give leads for a hacker to hack. The actual hackers get punished pretty good by the FBI too.

Re:Tough guys (1)

thecrotch (2464404) | about 2 years ago | (#37912058)

Lets not dignify these idiot kids by calling them hackers. Clicking a button is not hacking.

Re:Tough guys (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | about 2 years ago | (#37911694)

Hummm I guess they don't have the guts to face real evil. Maybe they will go back to attacking kids that put up websites about using bad words again.

Re:Tough guys (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | about 2 years ago | (#37911698)

Note that taking on the FBI or defense contractors does not entail a risk to your life. In the worst case, you are arrested, stand trial, and have potentially many opportunities to regain your freedom or to become a fugitive. The Zetas are not going to take you to prison, they are going to kill you and put your corpse on display -- and if they are feeling extra vengeful, they might torture you before you die.

Re:Tough guys (1)

BigFire (13822) | about 2 years ago | (#37911762)

Depend on the amount of time they feel like, torture is only the start of the problem. They might feel extra motivated and go after anonymous' family member just to be on the extra vengeful side.

Re:Tough guys (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about 2 years ago | (#37911400)

I don't think machismo is going to solve anything under these circumstances. Are you sure you intended to make such a brazen and childish comment without posting anonymously? :)

Re:Tough guys (1)

Killer Instinct (851436) | about 2 years ago | (#37911492)

Hes got a shark laser apparently, he aint 'fraid...

Re:Tough guys (1)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | about 2 years ago | (#37911538)

6 proxies baby!

Re:Tough guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911744)

I don't think machismo is going to solve anything under these circumstances. Are you sure you intended to make such a brazen and childish comment without posting anonymously? :)

What exactly is there to solve?

Off-topic, but for some reason I couldn't get to your journal: I need a car analogy explaining the relationship between class I surface antigens (think HLA-B27 haploid in this case) and mycoplasma HMW1-3 adhesin proteins, specifically within the context of autoimmune inflammatory diseases such as scleroderma/Reiter's, etc. Thanks.

Re:Tough guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911404)

And suddenly there's lots of Mexican drug gangsters laughing in front of their computers!

Re:Tough guys (5, Insightful)

CheshireDragon (1183095) | about 2 years ago | (#37911406)

Or they didn't even have the information and it was just empty threats.

Re:Tough guys (0)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 years ago | (#37911412)

True that.

Violent thugs only respond to one thing (two if you include money), and it's not empty threats from kids living in their parents' basements.

Re:Tough guys (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about 2 years ago | (#37911598)

Yea, its not just kids, its a lot of socially inept 40 year olds living in their parents basements as well.

Re:Tough guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37912068)

Hey, some of us live in apartments.

Re:Tough guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911418)

right on brotha!

Re:Tough guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911516)

Duh, online is not real per definition.

Anyway, Im sure Mr. Jester will pick up the torch with his silly slowloris attack tool, since he's so much better than Anon.

Re:Tough guys (2)

gregulator (756993) | about 2 years ago | (#37911550)

Or maybe they don't want their antics to get some non-Anon to get killed because the cartel thought they were involved in the attack.

Re:Tough guys (0)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | about 2 years ago | (#37911832)

The only problem with your supposition is that they have displayed no consideration for anyone but themselves.

Re:Tough guys (0)

BitZtream (692029) | about 2 years ago | (#37911576)

Yea, its funny how quickly they turn into pussies when the people they are attacking actually fight back instead of trying to respond in a legal way.

Re:Tough guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911928)

Yea, its funny how quickly they turn into pussies when the people they are attacking actually fight back instead of trying to respond in a legal way.

Yeah, no shit, what little respect I had for them as hellraisers,
I have completely lost now.

Better thing to have done, was to dismiss the whole thing as
a tiny minority acting individually. Since we know they are
legion but made of cells.

Re:Tough guys (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911696)

in fact you could possibly call us cowards...anonymous cowards!

posted anonymously

Re:Tough guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911760)

Yay, a group we don't agree with is backing down attack on another group which kills and hangs people from an overpass.

wrong (2)

unity100 (970058) | about 2 years ago | (#37911974)

organizations like drug cartels are practically sociopath organizations. it is very tough for even major governments to handle them.

the fact that anonymous is actually taken by the drug cartels as a serious threat that requires this much action basically tells that anonymous is on the same league with them in regard to impact now.

and someone will leak the data eventually.

Bullies. (4, Insightful)

MarkvW (1037596) | about 2 years ago | (#37911434)

They pick on the vulnerable for lulz. That's about it.

Too busy.. (1)

Killer Instinct (851436) | about 2 years ago | (#37911460)

..working on taking down Fox News [securitynewsdaily.com] .

Didn't they also claim.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911808)

They're going to take down facebook in a few days? November 5th, I think it was?

Re:Didn't they also claim.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37912006)

don't worry, as this article shows they will back down as soon as facebooks users threaten violence against them

And just as anonymous was starting to make a diff (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911474)

I've been happy to hear lately about anonymous's campaign against child pornography distribution. I was even more happy to hear that they were taking action against Zeta. But this withdrawl makes me question the mettle of the group. Any time you fight against organized crime, there will always be fallout. But the only way these groups have been pushed further underground or quashed is by taking action, and typically through infiltration and exposing the key players. If they have it in their ability to expose corruption, and do not do so, then they're just as bad as the corrupt officials enabling the criminals.

Re:And just as anonymous was starting to make a di (4, Insightful)

BitZtream (692029) | about 2 years ago | (#37911716)

Right, because you'd do it if you could.

I mean, clearly you're risking your life fighting Mexican drug cartels right here ... as you call them cowards ... in the safety of your own home ... while you post on slashdot.

I think Anonymous is a bunch of idiots, but you're fucking retarded for calling them cowards.

Take your computer courage and STFU, you're EXACTLY like them. Big talk behind a computer, and I'm certain you'll shut up and cower in the face of actual danger.

Comparison (4, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | about 2 years ago | (#37911922)

  • Defense contractors -- if you are caught, you spend time in prison, and the far right calls you a traitor.
  • FBI/DEA/other cops -- if you are caught, you spend time in prison, and the far right accuses you of putting cops at risk.
  • Child pornography -- if you are caught, you might go to prison but probably not, and the far right lauds you as a hero fighting for the children.
  • Zetas -- if you are caught, they torture and kill you, torture and kill your family, and put your corpses on display.

pussy assed faggots (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911478)

Did they not realize that sending 100's of pizzas to the head of a drug cartel isn't going to send the right message in the face of superior firepower?

Anonymous got worked (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911510)

This whole thing is just funny.

Undercover Brother(s) (1)

jimpop (27817) | about 2 years ago | (#37911514)

I'm pretty sure that Anonymous would have (did?) discovered undercover moles inside the Zetas...... so the real question is who didn't want to be discovered by Anonymous?

Cowards (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911524)

Cowards

Where's Wikileaks when you need them? (-1, Troll)

blair1q (305137) | about 2 years ago | (#37911530)

Why doesn't Julian Assange release this data, then?

Oh, right. He's too busy begging for money ever since he made his organization a pariah by raping two chicks and haphazardly giving up the secrets of the good guys.

Re:Where's Wikileaks when you need them? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911556)

Good guys? Haha, please tell me you are joking, you are, right?

Hope you don't have videocameras that look like automatic rifles, might get murdered by a helicopter pilot.

Re:Where's Wikileaks when you need them? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911634)

Oh, right. He's too busy begging for money ever since he made his organization a pariah by raping two chicks and haphazardly giving up the secrets of the good guys.

I hope you're trolling. The accusation that it was rape was retracted immediately by a senior prosecutor. The facts have surfaced that it turns out to be regarding a condom that broke, a matter which was politically labeled rape by a feminist police officer who was a personal friend of the accuser and also member of the same socialist party. Sweden has previosly bent over for US interestes, even violating their own constitution by allowing CIA "rendition" flights to send Swedish citizens to Egypt for torture. The Julian Assange case is another case of US information warfare.

Re:Where's Wikileaks when you need them? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911752)

Why doesn't Julian Assange release this data, then?

Why would you expect him to release this type of info? He got intimidated and silenced by Bank of America.

There was no other possible outcome (1)

Spy Handler (822350) | about 2 years ago | (#37911542)

ANONYMOUS: we are basement-dwelling computer nerds who will attack you by hacking your web server and posting your info on the net!

DRUG CARTELS: we will kill you with AK-47s and cut your head off with a machete.

Any guesses to who would win?

Re:There was no other possible outcome (2, Funny)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | about 2 years ago | (#37911592)

And backing down only teaches the cartels that this form of intimidation works. I would never back down from some mexican with a machete.

Re:There was no other possible outcome (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911666)

I would never back down from some mexican with a machete.

No, you'd die. Idiot.

Re:There was no other possible outcome (2)

LWATCDR (28044) | about 2 years ago | (#37911710)

And Darwin smiles....

Re:There was no other possible outcome (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911742)

I'd like to see the Spaniard who could make his way past me!

Re:There was no other possible outcome (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911612)

No one.

Re:There was no other possible outcome (1)

j00r0m4nc3r (959816) | about 2 years ago | (#37911804)

anonymous plays counterstrike so they can probably dodge-jump all that

Re:There was no other possible outcome (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911894)

I am Anonymous and I do not dwell in a basement, heck I dont even have a basement.

I do have a couple of AK-47's, several AR-15's, a couple of 91/30's and thousands of rounds of ammo for each.

Canceled: Justice for PS3 Attack (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911546)

I was looking forward to seeing Anonymous members finally pay for their attack on my PS3.

Too bad... A few of those gay masks hanging from disfigured faces in a pool of blood would have gone a long way.

I wanted (0)

thomasw_lrd (1203850) | about 2 years ago | (#37911614)

to root for them, but now they are just a bunch of pussies. I hope they can actually do some good. This could be the start of a new revolution.

Who's Anonymous (3, Insightful)

fastest fascist (1086001) | about 2 years ago | (#37911638)

Here we go again, talking of Anonymous as a unified group. What makes someone a member of Anonymous? It seems claiming to be one suffices. So, someone posted a threat to the Zetas in the name of Anonymous, and another person posted a notice saying Anonymous will not be taking action against the Zetas. That's about all that can be said about this.

Re:Who's Anonymous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911718)

That's kind of what I was thinking. I'm Anonymous and I say we support the Zetas to our dying breath!

Re:Who's Anonymous (1)

Zeroedout (2036220) | about 2 years ago | (#37911824)

Hey, watch it. Where do you think you are- an established and reputable newspaper? Oh wait, they're playing along as well. Look buddy, no one wants your "reasoning" and "logic" here, people want to be sensational about a hacking group. No one can claim to be anonymous except people who are really members, k? Just stop thinking there!

Re:Who's Anonymous (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911910)

But I am part of Anonymous! Just look at my name!

Re:Who's Anonymous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911916)

Hello Anonymous, I am Anonymous and I disagree. Though I lack the time and computer skills, I say if you have proof that someone is supporting a cartel that deals in death. As long as you are 100% sure of the information, and go to great lengths to protect your Anonymity, post them. two groups of human scum killing each other, though sad, reduces the number of human scum in the world, and the number of people they can hurt.

Re:Who's Anonymous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37912090)

I disagree. I love the Zetas. They got rid of someone who was going up for a promotion before I was. I got a promotion, and now I'm happy. Long live drug cartels! I am the voice of Anonymous!

Are they attacking /.? (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | about 2 years ago | (#37911646)

Are they attacking /. today because every other link I click I am getting a 404 error.

Expected. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911652)

buncha losers are now exposed for what they are : cyber-bullying-sissies.

Anonnymous cowards? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911662)

Yes, send a message to the evil guys: If you use evil to intimidate, we'll fold... Idiots.

Re:Anonnymous cowards? (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | about 2 years ago | (#37912110)

...because Anonymous was really in a position to take on a brutal drug cartel? These guys were in way over their heads.

A letter of apology (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911674)

Dear Anonymous and Friends

I apologize that I thought you were a bunch of good guys. I was wrong.
You are a bunch of pussies. Go back to DDOS-ing meaningless websites.

Yours truly
Anonymous Coward

I'm glad they didn't (3, Insightful)

Superdarion (1286310) | about 2 years ago | (#37911676)

It's a good thing they backed away. Anonymous usually attacks organizations that are somewhat bound by law and fear of PR disasters, so their retaliation is quite limited. Drug cartels care for neither of them. That's why being a reporter in Mexico is a very risky thing to do.

Had they gone ahead with their attacks, they could have unleashed hell for all bloggers in Mexico. A lot of blood could be in their hands.

Re:I'm glad they didn't (5, Insightful)

BitterOak (537666) | about 2 years ago | (#37911770)

I disagree. By backing off, they're letting the cartels know that their methods of intimidation work. It will only encourage similar acts in the future. The only way to stand up to bullies like the drug cartels is to defy them, not to cave in to their threats.

Re:I'm glad they didn't (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911926)

The only way to stand up to bullies like the drug cartels is to exterminate them

Fixed. Standing up to bullies has never worked. Stopping bullies from bullying does.

Re:I'm glad they didn't (0)

BigFire (13822) | about 2 years ago | (#37911794)

It's a good thing they backed away. Anonymous usually attacks organizations that are somewhat bound by law and fear of PR disasters, so their retaliation is quite limited. Drug cartels care for neither of them. That's why being a reporter in Mexico is a very risky thing to do.

Had they gone ahead with their attacks, they could have unleashed hell for all bloggers in Mexico. A lot of blood could be in their hands.

Blood on the hands have never stop anonymous and wikileak one bit. Hell, it's what gave them street credential. Their own hands and heads bloodied after a long torture session is a different story.

Re:I'm glad they didn't (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911848)

Exactly.

However, I still think they should have gone through with it. Innocent people would have undoubtedly been caught in the crossfire, but isn't that already the case? At least they could have exposed some of these criminals in the process.

Re:I'm glad they didn't (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about 2 years ago | (#37911852)

This is attacking people who are bound by law and PR, the people who are at least complicit and at worst corrupted by the gang. In particular, they claimed to have knowledge of police officers who are collaborating with the gangs, that alone is reason enough they should take the step and release the data. Hide yourself behind every proxy service you can think of and bite the bullet. They almost certainly won't be able to find you, and if they take out their anger on innocents that is, for better or worse, on them, not you.

Re:I'm glad they didn't (1)

Zeroedout (2036220) | about 2 years ago | (#37912014)

Absolutely! Thinking that someone who does the right thing is to blame when nut jobs do horrible things is akin to blaming a beautiful woman who got raped for being pretty. It's no one's fault besides the murderer/rapists. You might have angered them, but they chose how to react. All attention should be on their shame and prosecution. If everyone who knew of cartel members exposed them, it would be much harder for them to find people to play along. Lots of people doing very small things makes an enormous impact! (see latest season of Furturama where there are tons of tiny benders for a great and funny example).

Re:I'm glad they didn't (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37912034)

I would actually argue that might happen anyway.

With a group like Anonymous, where it's a group but yet isn't (that is, anybody can claim to be Anonymous, or can claim not to be Anonymous, at any one given time), the problem is that the Zetas just simply won't care. In their eyes, the threat is made, and the price must be paid regardless of whether the threat is made good. Follow through with the attack, and there will be retaliation. Back down and it'll be seen as a sign of weakness and cowardice, and the Zetas might still be likely to send a message to Anonymous.

In other words, the hornet's nest was disturbed the moment the threat went out. There's no way to retract it now and walk away from it without some consequences, I fear. But we'll see what happens, I suppose, and I pray for a peaceful resolution for all involved.

I guess Anonymous has it's limits (1)

CHK6 (583097) | about 2 years ago | (#37911764)

When people are directly being murdered in response to Anonymous actions, should give Anonymous pause. Anonymous is better far conducting such actions secretively and funnel intelligence quietly if they want to thwart drug dealers.

I wish Anonymous would start saving lives instead of ruining them. But at least they don't want to have innocent blood on their hands. My guess Anonymous members have all watched "No Country for Old Men" and thought really hard if it's worth the risk.

Re:I guess Anonymous has it's limits (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911936)

If you're part of Anonymous but afraid, then you aren't really anonymous. Don't post from home. Go to a Panera or somewhere you can't be traced.

Constraints (2)

Koreantoast (527520) | about 2 years ago | (#37911796)

A group like Anonymous can only operate in a free society where the rule of law constrains the actions of large and powerful actors. Shame and humiliation of powerful players is possible because they are unable to fully marshal their resources to strike back. Sure, Western governments have made some arrests, but in the end, the military and large corporations are limited in what they can do (yes, they can illegally and secretly do things, but the complexity, costs and risks of doing it are extremely high). The cartels however are a different animal, an opponent in an environment with no such constraints. They have repeatedly killed with impunity, and Anonymous members in Mexico are no different. Unless Anonymous' entire membership is in Pakistan and Afghanistan, the cartels are much more likely to drop a bomb on a member of Anonymous than the CIA is.

Worst of both worlds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911798)

Stay silent on the cartels, and you might get your man back. Go full bore on the cartels and you might bring them down. Make a stab at the cartels and then back down? That's the worst of both worlds; because you got some of your guys killed, you got nothing for it, and now the Cartel feels even more confident.

It's basic strategy to evaluate your oponent befor going to war. It's in the Bible, for cryin' out loud, which is not a stupid book despite the stupid people who claim to read it. It's also probably in the Art of War or any other basic handbook of military strategy.

Anonymous fucked up BIG TIME here.

Re:Worst of both worlds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37912118)

It's basic strategy to evaluate your oponent befor going to war. It's in the Bible, for cryin' out loud, which is not a stupid book despite the stupid people who claim to read it. It's also probably in the Art of War or any other basic handbook of military strategy.

It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.

It is the rule in war, if ten times the enemy's strength, surround them; if five times, attack them; if double, be able to divide them; if equal,engage them; if fewer, be able to evade them; if weaker, be able to avoid them.

He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot will be victorious.

etc,

You should read it sometime

-@|

Do you speak Spanish? Idon't (1)

ZealotOfZuse (2430488) | about 2 years ago | (#37911800)

Thus I cannot understand what is posted on the web site cited here. And even if I could: Why should I believe it?? As far as I know Anonymous has certain patterns with which they identify their statements. Are there any on the cited web site? Where is the nice jingle or Guy Fawkes?

False flag (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911816)

I don't think this is legit - if anything the idea of people actually dying would encourage Anonymous to get even more people involved, for the lulz.

POSEURS! (4, Insightful)

spidercoz (947220) | about 2 years ago | (#37911820)

Anonymous had a chance to do some good, they pussied out like the fucking poseurs they are.

While I'm at it, we've INVADED countries for lesser atrocities than these barbarian Zeta motherfuckers have committed. WHERE'S YOUR BALLS NOW, U.S.? Send a few dozen cruise missiles up their asses!

summory (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911850)

Anon; "We'll expose you if you harm him."
Zeta, "Go ahead. We will kill every man, women, and child wearing a guy fawkes mask."

I'm glad they didn't go through with it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911864)

They have no way of knowing who in their lists were forced into participating, like the school teachers in some communities who are forced to give a percentage of their pay to drug lords or get killed, or the government officials forced to look the other way or have their families kidnapped and killed...

No matter how well they manage to vet that list, some innocent people would get caught in the crossfire once rivals get hold of it.

A mature response from Anonymous finally (1)

jd.schmidt (919212) | about 2 years ago | (#37911870)

I am sure they have plenty of members who are in no danger from Drug Cartels, but they realized that the people who they are up against are too brutal and indiscriminate. If the Cartels fight back they will probably kill more innocents than opponents, but that is the whole point really. Better not to stick your finger in their eye to needlessly provoke them.

Best to share their information securely with the FBI and Mexican police. (well, where you can trust the Mexican police anyway). I don’t like everything my government does, but I HATE what the cartels do!

Don't buy pot from cartels (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911988)

I HATE what the cartels do!

Then don't buy pot from cartels, buy from domestic "hippies". We can hurt the cartels far more than anonymous by not sending our money to them.

Something is odd (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911882)

I followed all the links and I have found no evidence that those Anons have changed their minds.

Mistaken Identity (2)

yodleboy (982200) | about 2 years ago | (#37911900)

The problem is that targeting a government agency or what have you might lead to them tracing back and nailing the actual people involved, not just someone that happens to be in the same group but was on vacation that week. With these cartel guys, if you've EVER been associated with Anon and they find you, they don't really give a shit, you're fair game to them. They are just as happy making an example of you as they would be to catch the masked clown that made these idiotic threats to begin with. That's a real problem with groups like Anonymous. With no clear leadership, some "faction" can spout off crap that endangers everyone.

You can throw out all the police state, abuse of power crap you want, the bottom line is in the end the FBI is accountable to SOMEONE and subject to laws and public outrage. There IS a limit to what they can and will do to you. The cartels have no such limit.

Congrats (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37911904)

I have them credit. The egocentric people that talk on anonymous actually made a smart decision. Constantly people get d0xed as members and someone getting ID'ed incorrectly could have life ending repercussions so its smart they laid off and prevent any innocent people from getting hurt under their account.

The real lesson to be learned here... (1)

idbeholda (2405958) | about 2 years ago | (#37911994)

Is that basically, Zeta told Anonymous "gb2/b/". The innocent and guilty hang every day, whether Anonymous has a hand in it or not. If they wanted to really make an impact on Zeta, they would have kept to their word and responded with, "That's fine, but you have to break a few eggs to make an omlette".

Like many said ages ago about them (2)

bhcompy (1877290) | about 2 years ago | (#37912008)

Don't fuck with Russians and don't fuck with ruthless organized crime operations. As the saying goes, you mess with the bull, you get the horns. Fucking with the FBI is messing with the de-horned milk cow, not the bull.

Actual anonimity (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#37912092)

A better move could have been to create a website with good, accesible and easily understandable information for journalists on how to actually be anonymous and protect themselves from the intimidation. Going vigilante against Zetas isn't the smartest thing (turbo-euphemism) to do.

But then, where would be the fun of making video-threats and being cocky, if only for a few minutes?

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