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EU Scientists Working On Laser To Rip a Hole In Spacetime

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the what-could-possibly-go-wrong? dept.

Science 575

astroengine writes "Those pesky physicists are at it again; they want to build a laser so powerful that it will literally rip spacetime apart. Why? To prove the existence of virtual particles in the quantum vacuum, potentially unravel extra dimensions and possibly find the root of dark matter. The $1.6 billion Extreme Light Infrastructure Ultra-High Field Facility (known as ELI) will be built somewhere in Europe by the end of the decade and physicists are hoping the ten high-powered lasers — delivering 200 petawatts of power at a target for less than a trillionth of a second — will turn up some surprises about the very fabric of the Universe."

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575 comments

Happy November from the Golden Girls! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943242)

Thank you for being a friend
Traveled down the road and back again
Your heart is true, you're a pal and a cosmonaut.

And if you threw a party
Invited everyone you ever knew
You would see the biggest gift would be from me
And the card attached would say, thank you for being a friend.

The article asks "Why?" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943264)

The answer is not what is given. The answer is:

1. Pork
2. Some researchers get media attention
3. Some researchers might get to play with the laser.

The whole idea is so lame. Please, give the money to a real condensed matter physicist, or a chemist or a materials scientist please.

Re:The article asks "Why?" (2)

Astronomerguy (1541977) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943570)

The answer is not what is given. The answer is:

1. Pork 2. Some researchers get media attention 3. Some researchers might get to play with the laser.

The whole idea is so lame. Please, give the money to a real condensed matter physicist, or a chemist or a materials scientist please.

I'll feed ya, Anonymous Coward! :-) Why is it lame? Potentially (and admittedly it will eat giga-watts of electricity) it could confirm some very fundamental elements of theoretical physics. That, to me, is worth every giga-penny. Advancement of fundamental knowledge is money well-spent. Do you have something against science on the frontiers? Just askin'.

Re:The article asks "Why?" (2)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943720)

Why is it lame?

Because the shark question has not been considered. I would fucking pay extra taxes to see space-time ripping laser sharks.

first (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943256)

does this tear a hole in your spacetime?

Mandatory comment. (5, Funny)

Dartz-IRL (1640117) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943258)

Commencing Primary Ignition....

Standby...

Standby...

Re:Mandatory comment. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943506)

Land of the Lost...

Re:Mandatory comment. (1)

lord_mike (567148) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943528)

You forgot the...

Beeeoooouuuuwwwww!

Sound effect...

Do NOT make a frickin laser beam joke (2)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943262)

Alright folks, listen up: This is not an appropriate time for a shark joke. This is very clearly an opportunity for an Alan Parsens or Preperation H reference.

Anybody caught making a Frickin' Sharks joke will be permanently labeled a virgin.

Re:Do NOT make a frickin laser beam joke (4, Funny)

kenj0418 (230916) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943296)

Anybody caught making a Frickin' Sharks joke will be permanently labeled a virgin.

If that happens, can I have all that child support I've paid refunded?

Re:Do NOT make a frickin laser beam joke (1)

mooingyak (720677) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943318)

Alright folks, listen up: This is not an appropriate time for a shark joke. This is very clearly an opportunity for an Alan Parsens or Preperation H reference.

So... you're tired of these motherfrickin' lasers on these motherfrickin' sharks?

Re:Do NOT make a frickin laser beam joke (3, Interesting)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943346)

I take it that mutant Sea Bass are still OK?

Re:Do NOT make a frickin laser beam joke (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943408)

Only if you're playing one of the Animal Crossing games and you're frustrated at getting the same fish over and over.

Re:Do NOT make a frickin laser beam joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943512)

Only if they are bad tempered.

Re:Do NOT make a frickin laser beam joke (1)

TheInternetGuy (2006682) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943394)

So what you are saying is that the female sharks are looking for something that will last a bit longer than a trillionth of a second?

Re:Do NOT make a frickin laser beam joke (1)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943498)

Looks like time to dust off the Cheech and Chong jokes then.....

Re:Do NOT make a frickin laser beam joke (2)

Khyber (864651) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943658)

Umm, this is the time for Real Genius jokes, not shark jokes.

Results how? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943268)

If spacetime is ripped apart, where and when will any observations of any phenomena they are studying occur?

Re:Results how? (5, Interesting)

mrxak (727974) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943298)

You raise an interesting point. How exactly do we detect the absence of spacetime? Presumably if it's ripped apart, either there will be gaps, or somehow we'll make more of it.

Re:Results how? (2)

dccase (56453) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943368)

Don't panic.
Eddy's in the spacetime continuum.
He'll give us The Answer.

Re:Results how? (1)

TehNoobTrumpet (1836716) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943532)

42. Easy.

Re:Results how? (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943372)

You raise an interesting point. How exactly do we detect the absence of spacetime? Presumably if it's ripped apart, either there will be gaps, or somehow we'll make more of it.

Oh come on, we know the answer to this. Hellish beings from another Universe will come charging through the gap causing explosions, terror and Micheal Bay movies.

Re:Results how? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943564)

Don't be ridiculous. Evil twins of local people will come through the tear in space-time, except for one which is actually a good twin (since its double in this universe is evil), and will cause all kinds of pandemonium. When everyone finally figures out how to banish these evil doubles back to their mirror universe, they'll try to send the one evil guy from this universe back with them, but he'll fool everyone so that they send the good one instead.

Laugh-a while you can, monkey-boy. (1)

Hartree (191324) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943732)

"Hellish beings from another Universe will come charging through the gap "

And they'll all be named John.

The most important question: (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943284)

In the event of an alien invasion, can we point it upwards?

Re:The most important question: (0)

MachDelta (704883) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943418)

It won't work unless we can somehow upload a Macintosh virus to their mothership first, to disable their shields.

The Death Star (2, Interesting)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943286)

The combined power of 10 separate lasers would be focused down to a very small volume, creating conditions more extreme than in the center of our sun.

So they'll essentiallly be turning the Earth into the Death Star
And we feel good about letting Europeans man the switch?
Will they be wearing dark suits with funky helmets?

Re:The Death Star (-1, Troll)

Dekker3D (989692) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943396)

Personally, I think most European countries are less likely (eager?) to go to war than America is. That would make them the safer party for manning the switch.

Re:The Death Star (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943438)

No kidding- if we could just stop the US from starting all those World Wars, we could finally get some peace.

Re:The Death Star (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943472)

I mean, we already were overrun by stormtroopers [wikipedia.org] a century ago, we will be more careful next time.

Selfish, unneeded violence? In MY EU? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943486)

If you think that the EU is above starting these "unofficial skirmishes" for resources, I'd bet you think that CCTV cameras are a needed measure.

Re:Selfish, unneeded violence? In MY EU? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943596)

The CCTV thing is purely a British phenomenon, not European. Britain isn't really part of Europe. It acts like it when it suits it, and it acts separate when that suits it. They weren't even invited to the recent talks about the crisis with the Euro, Greece, etc. Britain's really a lot more like the USA than continental Europe.

Re:The Death Star (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943412)

meh, I'd feel more worried if this was done in the states. Those buggers would prolly turn this project in to one of their toy to be used to destroy the whole mankind, amrkans have that sort of habit you know. Anything they come up with, be it nuclear energy or what ever, is somehow turned in to a giant earth exploding weapon. And this is THE country that was run by a chimpanzee.. twice in a row. So ya, I feel a bit safer knowing that this thing will be in Europe and not in the states.

Re:The Death Star (1)

khallow (566160) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943440)

Those buggers would prolly turn this project in to one of their toy to be used to destroy the whole mankind, amrkans have that sort of habit you know.

Oh come on. Obama already apologized for destroying the world last Thursday. Why are you guys still holding a grudge?

Re:The Death Star (0)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943616)

Don't be ridiculous. If we Americans had a weapon of this power, we'd use it to increase our imperial power and make more money for our giant corporations like Halliburton. Anyone who's against this is just engaging in class warfare. Remember, corporations are people too!

Re:The Death Star (1)

The Mighty Buzzard (878441) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943702)

Oh like you lot wouldn't blow up the world to finally beat the French once and for all. You've only been killing each other for a couple thousand years off and on.

Re:The Death Star (3, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943466)

...turning the Earth into the Death Star ...dark suits with funky helmets

Aaaagh! I just had a Dick Cheney flashback!

Re:The Death Star (1)

BlueParrot (965239) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943610)

And we feel good about letting Europeans man the switch?

See the thing is, after having had our continent torn asunder by two world wars, a couple of genocides, decades of Soviet occupation of the eastern block, followed by being dragged into a hornet nest in Iraq following faulty US intelligence, most people over here are so fed up with the whole war thing that we only agreed to help the Libyans deal with Gaddafi after he started using the air-force to bomb innocent protesters.

However, if you prefer I guess we could put the device in Texas. Then they can use it to guard the double layered, 10 foot tall , lethally electrified, barbed wire fence Herman Cain was talking about. Don't worry though, Rick Perry will have the keys.

Re:The Death Star (1)

sapphire wyvern (1153271) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943674)

"I never thought I'd see a resonance cascade, let alone create one."
  - Dr Rosenberg, head of ELI research, February 2015

Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943292)

Developing a super powerful laser. That can't possibly be perverted for some other purpose, so whether or not it can rip a hole in the "fabric" of "space-time", I'm sure it's totally safe.

Re:Hmm... (1)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943522)

here you go [youtube.com] .

Extreme "light"... (2, Insightful)

lvxferre (2470098) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943294)

They need to call it "light" because politicians are stupid enough to ban if they call it "radiation" - although a powerful enough laser won't be visible light, but UV radiation...

So this is when... (2)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943304)

... we get invaded by the Strogg?

--
BMO

Re:So this is when... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943342)

No, but I'd suggest bracing yourself for unforeseen consequences.

Except for the rip a hole in spacetime part... (2, Insightful)

bigsexyjoe (581721) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943320)

Another terrible headline, but the article is partly to blame. This isn't about ripping a hole in space time, it's just about putting energy in the vacuum so a bunch of virtual particles become real particles.

P.S. THE DEVICE WILL GO ONLINE IN 2012 AND END THE WORLD!!! AREN'T I CLEVER? PULL MY FINGER!!

Now witness the... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943322)

power of this fully operational battle station! Fire at will commander.

Re:Now witness the... (2)

magarity (164372) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943446)

power of this fully operational battle station! Fire at will commander.

I've never understood what Will did that everyone always wants to fire at him.

Re:Now witness the... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943592)

Shaved his beard.

Ripped spacetime (2)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943326)

... and my car keys fall through the hole.

Damn! I hate it when that happens.

Pull "spacetime" apart? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943338)

Not really. It simply creates enough energy so that particle and anti-particle pairs can exist for longer than usual (energy-time principle, lazy to link to wiki, google it yourself) before they annihilate each other; hopefully long enough to make observing them easier.

How does this constitute "ripping" spacetime...
More like "those pesky uneducated journalists" are at it again...

OOhh OOhh Mr. Kotter! (1)

retroworks (652802) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943360)

I aspire to make a toaster that cuts a hole in space-time... Can I be on Slashdot, too?? PLEEEEZE Mr. Kotter?

Hey, beats a shark joke. Let's mine 70s TV for a change.

Re:OOhh OOhh Mr. Kotter! (1)

dragonsomnolent (978815) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943392)

What you talkin about Willis?

Re:OOhh OOhh Mr. Kotter! (1)

retroworks (652802) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943426)

That's sooo 80s.

It's all fun and games... (5, Funny)

nategri (1255306) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943384)

... until the universe segfaults.

Ok. That's one research field going too fast. (0, Flamebait)

unity100 (970058) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943402)

Im all for subatomic and quantum physics research - whatever you want to name this field with hip terms.

But, going about intentionally ripping space/time, getting into dark matter and whatnot, without actually having grasped and totally measured the presence, effects and mechanics of what we already discovered in regard to these, is dangerous. imagine if the research at the turn of the century went a bit too fast, and someone accidentally caused a nuclear fission without taking proper precautions at a lab. dark matter and what surrounds it, may be holding similar energy potential to unleash in certain conditions. i wouldnt want to meet those conditions before we know that we actually know what we are doing.

Re:Ok. That's one research field going too fast. (4, Informative)

elfprince13 (1521333) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943500)

That actually happened several times. Ever heard of Louis Slotin or Harry Daghlian?

Re:Ok. That's one research field going too fast. (4, Informative)

pz (113803) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943546)

someone accidentally caused a nuclear fission without taking proper precautions at a lab

That happened, at least twice. See the WIkipedia entries for Harry Daghlian, Jr [wikimedia.org] and Louis Slotin [wikimedia.org] .

Re:Ok. That's one research field going too fast. (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943556)

several did, and paid with their lives.

google "demon core"

Re:Ok. That's one research field going too fast. (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943586)

It is quite a scary sounding procedure. If our atmosphere catches fire and every life form from the smallest bacteria to the largest mammal is instantly incinerated then at least we will know who to blame.

Re:Ok. That's one research field going too fast. (1)

Astronomerguy (1541977) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943622)

Oh screw it! You're asking them to read the frikkin' manual or the equivalent thereof! Who does that?!? JUST DO IT! And if traveling at warp speed causes disruptions in the space-time continuum, we'll just reduce speeds and perhaps eliminate warp-speed travel, as long as the Klingons and Romulans do as well.

Re:Ok. That's one research field going too fast. (1)

BlueParrot (965239) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943630)

But, going about intentionally ripping space/time, getting into dark matter and whatnot, without actually having grasped and totally measured the presence, effects and mechanics of what we already discovered in regard to these, is dangerous.

Yep, we're playing with fire. And as we all know, humans were better off without fire.

but but but virtual particles... (1)

Tyrannosaur (2485772) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943428)

don't actually exist. virtual particles are just mathematical simplicities. They are only a *model* of how physics works. Even in the name- they are "virtual" because they are just mathematical abstractions. nothing more.

Re:but but but virtual particles... (2)

harryjohnston (1118069) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943518)

*All* particles are mathematical abstractions.

Re:but but but virtual particles... (1)

Tyrannosaur (2485772) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943578)

this is also true

Very nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943444)

Now just point it to the Debt Problem. You might prove that keynesian spending in lasers ir the way to growth. Wait. Are you talking about physics? You insensitive worker!

I'll be pissed if they create a black hole (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943458)

It'll be like the Greek fiscal crisis, times 10.

Creating matter (1)

abelb (1365345) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943460)

Would matter not be created at the flash point due to the amount of energy they're concentrating? http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1997/09/970918045841.htm [sciencedaily.com]

Re:Creating matter (1)

harryjohnston (1118069) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943562)

I'd have thought so. But the home page of the actual facility says "A European facility opening new avenues to reveal the secrets of matter on ultra-short timescales" so I'm guessing the Discovery article isn't very accurate.

Research Moneys! (1)

inhuman_4 (1294516) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943474)

As a Canadian, I wish our government would partner with the US to fund super awesome science mega-projects like this. Seriously guys, would it be so hard to scrap one aircraft carrier in exchange for something useful?

Re:Research Moneys! (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943646)

Why doesn't your government instead partner with the Europeans, instead of pointlessly hoping for the Americans to do something useful instead of only things that increase corporate profits? Heck, you'd make a lot more progress partnering with the Chinese than with the US.

Re:Research Moneys! (1)

inhuman_4 (1294516) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943722)

Because Europe is far away which means we won't get many jobs (shipping costs) out of joint ventures with Europe, no jobs means no votes means no money. If that sounds retarded, it's because it is. With the US we can usually get some kind of make work project to keep the politicians happy.

eotw (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943484)

Its Half Life all over again

Re:eotw (1)

cosm (1072588) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943572)

The resonance cascade!!!!! OH NOES Gordon Freeman save us!

Did I miss something? (1)

definate (876684) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943510)

Did I miss something, but why is Europe getting all the cool new science toys? :-(

Re:Did I miss something? (1)

cosm (1072588) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943598)

Because...well..my sig.

Re:Did I miss something? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943632)

Did I miss something, but why is Europe getting all the cool new science toys? :-(

Because we are not warmongers so we have money for serious things, like doing basic research.
As for the US : reform your military industrial complex, close down the 700 or so bases you have around the world, downsize your military etc... Raise taxes, put and end to the tax subsidies to the ultra rich, tax the hell out of corporations and voila' my dear friend. Money flowing into the government that can be put to good use.

Re:Did I miss something? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943634)

They don't have any Republicans.

Re:Did I miss something? (1)

Iceykitsune (1059892) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943636)

Because being smart isn't "cool".

Re:Did I miss something? (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943638)

Because science is Anti-American, remember?

Re:Did I miss something? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943654)

Because they're smart enough to invest in science, rather than pouring most of their tax revenue into resource wars to benefit a few corporations.

Re:Did I miss something? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943668)

because europe is a bunch of countries with a lot more people than the US, it's not surprising we have some of the cool new toys. Don't worry, you've (if you're american) still got NIF, and Sandia Z-machine, and SLAC, they're pretty amazing.

Re:Did I miss something? (1)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943712)

Cause America keeps starting all the cool new Middle East wars and have no play money left over?

But where do we get the power? (1)

Zaldarr (2469168) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943516)

I'm not a physicist and this might be a stupid question, but how do we generate 100,000 times the Earth's power generation to work the darn thing even for the smallest moment? Is there something I'm missing?

Re:But where do we get the power? (1)

harryjohnston (1118069) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943574)

You store it up. No doubt there are all sorts of subtleties, but basically all you need is a frickin huge capacitor.

Re:But where do we get the power? (2)

mdenham (747985) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943604)

200 petawatts is easy enough to produce - it's 200 joules over one femtosecond. (Chances are the pulse is somewhat longer than one femtosecond, but there are two ways to produce large power numbers - large amounts of energy, or very short timeframes.)

Re:But where do we get the power? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943628)

It's all about time and space. Imagine you have a 2 watt battery. When you put it in your torch it will continually provide an average of 2 watts for some time. Perhaps 4 hours. Half the time it lasts you have 2 hours at 4 watts, half it again, 1 hour at 8 watts, 30 minutes 16 watts, 15 minutes 32 watts, etc. The overall amount of energy might not be that great, but focus it all at one particle for for a tiny amount of time and that's one intense spark of specially concentrated energy.

Re:But where do we get the power? (4, Informative)

sapphire wyvern (1153271) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943652)

I think the idea is that you relatively slowly charge up some kind of energy bank, eg ultracapacitors or something, using relatively low power. And then you discharge the bank very very fast - so you get 200 petawatts output, for a trillionth of a second, and then the energy banks are drained and need to be recharged.

It's possible that the energy capacitance is actually an inherent part of the laser physics rather than being stored electrically. I'm not really sure what the details are.

But, 200 PW for one trillionth of a second is actually only 200 kJ total energy if I've done the math correctly - ie about 9% of the dietary energy content of a Big Mac. This would not actually take very long for the world's total electrical generation capacity to deliver. :)

Re:But where do we get the power? (1)

Zaldarr (2469168) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943684)

Thank you all very much. I've always wondered about that, and the solution is obvious now. Thanks for putting up with me.

2nd time lucky... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943536)

The mini black hole at CERN designed to swallow everything didn't work - on to plan B!

Ex-squeeze me? (1)

chortick (979856) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943542)

Pardon the commercial intrusion, but are we discussing a $1.6B innovation by the same "Europe" currently facing an existential crisis that is threatening to destroy the very economic fabric of the world? Either I am confused, or the media are confused... because they are portraying the current fiscal situation as one step removed from "widespread cannibalism", and here we are talking about physics.

Re:Ex-squeeze me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943664)

It's only 1.6B, and Europe is far from being broke. A few pseudo-countries are, but there are also those with a real industry that will just keep rolling, financial fluctuations or not.

Re:Ex-squeeze me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943718)

1.6B is a fair bit less than 1% of the EU's spending power.

If we are in a False vacuum... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943560)

I wonder if this laser could trigger vacuum decay....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_vacuum

I am sure the other intelligent species in the galaxy would be annoyed....

You're gonna need a bigger boat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943568)

:-D

(Let's see who gets the reference...)

this i5 6oatsex (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943588)

not Going to Play

BBBBBBUT people are starving! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943590)

That sums up what killed nasa.

Truth stranger than fiction. (4, Funny)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943648)

will turn up some surprises about the very fabric of the Universe

I'm guessing...plaid and flannel.

Don't hold your breath (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37943686)

Just ask LLNL. They've been working on their laser ignition fusion device for 10 years+ and still haven't reached their 500terrawatt goal.
yes, I know the purpose isn't the same but I'm talking about capabilities here.

Just like everything else in dreamland science, there's about 25 years you need to tack on to any time estimate

Re:Don't hold your breath (1)

jijitus (1478465) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943730)

Yeah, this project sounds as if NASA announced a mission to Alpha Centauri, while we haven't even made it to Mars.
First achieve controlled nuclear fusion, THEN use that cheap, clean power for crazy experiments.

Fuhck yeah! (3, Insightful)

chicago_scott (458445) | more than 2 years ago | (#37943698)

$1.6 billion is a bargain to have space and time ripped up. The money won't be missed anyway.

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  • ul
  • li
  • dl
  • dt
  • dd
  • em
  • strong
  • tt
  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>
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