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Apple is losing it's hold (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37945484)

If I were a CEO in software company, I'd never give microsoft anything.

Re:Apple is losing it's hold (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37945542)

But you wont ever be a CEO. Because you don't have the spine nor endurance. Hence you'll never get to be in the position to make either decision other as to comment on how others -much more qualified as you- should've done differently from your chair.

Re:Apple is losing it's hold (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37945576)

Don't so always think that everybody is like you, anonymous coward!

Re:Apple is losing it's hold (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37945606)

I might need to protect my identity as a CEO of a certain well-known company ;)

Re:Apple is losing it's hold (2)

reiisi (1211052) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945874)

Larry?

Re:Apple is losing it's hold (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37947068)

Nigger?

Re:Apple is losing it's hold (1)

bberens (965711) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947122)

Being a CEO is easy, takes all of about 30 minutes of paperwork and costs less than $100.

Re:Apple is losing it's hold (3, Interesting)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#37946148)

When dealing with companies you get into these odd relationships.
You are competing with them but their success is your success too. The trick that was learned is to mentally divide a company into different parts.
For Apple.
Microsofts OS is their biggest competition for their OSs (OS X/iOS). However Microsoft Office for the Mac is a big push to sell more Macs and a good seller for Microsoft, at the same time there are a little competitive with Apples Office like products, however Apple hasn't been hammering these too much they are selling them more as a poor mans office.
Then you have the free services. Hotmail, Bing, iCloud, Assure.... These are low revenue services that make sense for compatibility with other products. Choosing Hotmail, over Google Mail, over iCloud isn't that big of a deal. Because they are free people can have all of them. But if your device doesn't support it then you are at a disadvantage. Right now Microsoft in the mobile market has more to gain from getting iPhone hotmail users, then apple has to gain from getting windows mobile iCloud users.

Re:Apple is losing it's hold (1)

mr100percent (57156) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947244)

Neither would I, but now Apple views google as an emerging threat and is looking for a detente.

Re:Apple is losing it's hold (0)

sigipickl (595932) | more than 2 years ago | (#37948310)

If not for Microsoft's 5 billion dollar investment in Apple in1997, Apple would probably not exist today. Just saying...

Re:Apple is losing it's hold (4, Insightful)

oudzeeman (684485) | more than 2 years ago | (#37948864)

$150 million, not $5 billion. Microsoft bought 150 million dollars worth of non-voting shares as part of a patent licensing agreement, and also agreed to produce MS Office for OS X for at least 5 years (this was the important part, since many big software vendors had not yet committed to port their code to the new OS), and Internet explorer would be bundled as the default browser for 5 years (I think it was 5 years).

Apple was a multi-billion dollar company with 1.2 billion in cash at the time. It was in trouble financially, but it probably could have survived without that $150 million.

Re:Apple is losing it's hold (1)

Trax3001BBS (2368736) | more than 2 years ago | (#37951490)

>> If I were a CEO in software company, I'd never give microsoft anything.

They all say that, then microsoft give them a million and they sign over exclusive rights to Call of Duty.

RIP please? (2, Interesting)

Ooki (1576979) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945512)

This is bad news, hotmail is a service that should be allowed to die...

Re:RIP please? (5, Informative)

skovnymfe (1671822) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945518)

It's actually quite good these days. You should try giving it a second chance.

Re:RIP please? (2)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945600)

It's actually quite good these days. You should try giving it a second chance.

If there weren't other good options I might do.

Re:RIP please? (2)

dintech (998802) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945642)

I've had the same hotmail account for more than 10 years and never had a problem with spam. Using hotmail via iphone is even better since it excludes all the superfluous msn crap you see when you log in to the web client.

Re:RIP please? (1)

Canazza (1428553) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945862)

Same here, pretty much. While the service has been fine, recently I've really begun to hate the interface in the web client. Not only does it try and push it's home-page as some kind of social media site, it hides some of it's most important features (like folder redirection) behind an arcane wall of constantly changing crap, and I've not been able to find that particular function for a few months now.

On the plus side, it's spam filter is actually rather good.

Re:RIP please? (1)

jader3rd (2222716) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947742)

If by folder redirection you mean 'sending an email to a folder different than the inbox' they called that 'sweep' (probably to help lay persons) and it's in the main menu bar inbetween junk and mark as.

Re:RIP please? (1)

Dan541 (1032000) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945964)

You never see spam because the filter is so strict it also blocks allot of legitimate mail.

Re:RIP please? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37946160)

Nope.

Re:RIP please? (1)

Dan541 (1032000) | more than 2 years ago | (#37946468)

Care to clarify?

Re:RIP please? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37946482)

...You never see spam because the filter is so strict it also blocks allot of legitimate mail.

You first

Re:RIP please? (1)

higuita (129722) | more than 2 years ago | (#37946532)

search the web for people with problems delivering to hotmail... lots and lots of people with the same problem...

Re:RIP please? (1)

Dan541 (1032000) | more than 2 years ago | (#37946568)

I know people who refuse to deal with Hotmail users as a result.

The reason they do it is to cut down on spam complaints from their end user.
It just means allot of people just cannot send email to hotmail.

Re:RIP please? (1)

evilRhino (638506) | more than 2 years ago | (#37950382)

I like how Dan541 is casually inventing a new word. I hope allot of people use it!

Re:RIP please? (1)

kingturkey (930819) | more than 2 years ago | (#37950970)

Poor Alot [blogspot.com] , he can't send email to Hotmail users :-(.

Re:RIP please? (1)

dintech (998802) | more than 2 years ago | (#37946846)

I think this is almost certainly true, I'm sure there are certain small online stores and so in which get caught by the dragnet. I can't say I've ever been in a situation where I expected a mail and didn't receive it however.

Re:RIP please? (1)

b0bby (201198) | more than 2 years ago | (#37946526)

Yeah, I have an ancient account too; I mostly use it with Thunderbird and it's fine. I use it for stuff I don't quite trust, so you'd think it would be full of spam, but it's really not bad, and I haven't noticed many (if any) false positives.

Re:RIP please? (1)

FriendofTwitter (2500804) | more than 2 years ago | (#37948038)

One of the perks of being an M$ astroturfer is never having a problem with spam on Windoze Dead. M$ will ensure their astroturfers, those such as yourself, won't see any problems with M$ junk so they won't go to any free services that won't tie you into anything.

Re:RIP please? (1)

dintech (998802) | more than 2 years ago | (#37948292)

You created the FriendofTwitter slashdot account just for that? I'm not sure whether I should feel flattered or scared...

Sorry for touching your naughty button. Please don't kill me.

Re:RIP please? (1)

Bobfrankly1 (1043848) | more than 2 years ago | (#37948162)

I've had the same hotmail account for more than 10 years and never had a problem with spam. Using hotmail via iphone is even better since it excludes all the superfluous msn crap you see when you log in to the web client.

I've been using Hotmail since '97 and have had the same experience.

Re:RIP please? (3, Informative)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945842)

It still does dumb user agent sniffing and throws tons of bad JavaScript at you. Its AJAXy interface breaks tabbed browsing.

As for the service itself, e-mail messages that aren't sent using Hotmail take a long time to arrive.

Quite good my ass.

Re:RIP please? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37946826)

define "long time" please. Because for me, if I say hit a "I forgot my password" button on a site and it emails to my hotmail account, it's abnormal to take more than 2 or 3 seconds for a notification to pop up stating I've just received an email from that site. I guess though that if 2 or 3 seconds is a long time by your definition, then you'd be correct. Average time from a gmail account, I honestly don't know, but I don't think I've ever waited more than a minute from the time somebody said they sent me something.

As for breaking tabbed browsing and bad javascript, what the hell browser are you using, because I've never had any of those issues in firefox or IE or chrome, and on my phone, never had those issues in the android browser. I don't know, maybe safari and opera have problems, I don't use those browsers. Tag in a very word like spell check feature if you aren't using a browser with built in spell check, plus one hell of a good spam filter, and I kind of have to assume you haven't used it in a decade or so.

And then don't get me started on the hotmail app for android, holy crap that thing kicks the crap out of the google email app. At some point, some of you people need to realize it isn't 1995, and that Microsoft actually does put out some good products.

Re:RIP please? (1)

Bobfrankly1 (1043848) | more than 2 years ago | (#37948184)

It still does dumb user agent sniffing and throws tons of bad JavaScript at you. Its AJAXy interface breaks tabbed browsing.

As for the service itself, e-mail messages that aren't sent using Hotmail take a long time to arrive.

Quite good my ass.

20 seconds is too long for you?

Re:RIP please? (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#37951604)

It still does dumb user agent sniffing and throws tons of bad JavaScript at you. Its AJAXy interface breaks tabbed browsing.

You have to admit though that this was stolen from GMail, which did it first - and still does (just checked, middle-click-for-new-tab doesn't work in message list in GMail).

Nope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37945952)

I accidentally made a hotmail last month.
(Had to go retro and make an MSN messenger account using a non-hotmail addy. This didn't used to autogenerate a hotmail account, now it does.)

Hotmail is not by any stretch of the imagination good. All web based email is shit, and gmail is king of that dung heap, but hotmail is probably worse now than in 1999.
The "trying to be too smart and failing" ajax fields were infuriating. The the obligatory pseudo-social "I only wanted an email account and what is this?" stuff.

This is not progress.

Re:RIP please? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37945526)

And why that, idiot?!

Re:RIP please? (5, Funny)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945548)

Don't you mean Windows Bing Livemail Yahoo Hot 2010 Professional Edition?

wedding dress (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37946680)

I think I should yes I think so ! My blog http://www.loveinbridal.com/blog/

Re:RIP please? (3, Informative)

the_fat_kid (1094399) | more than 2 years ago | (#37946974)

no, I'm waiting for Service Pack 2 to solve the synergy virtulisation problems I have when I use the hands free Clippy widget.

Re:RIP please? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37947184)

This is bad news, hotmail is a service that should be allowed to die...

So you want Apple to ban Hotmail from the iDevices? Anything else they should ban?

Hotmail, is that still around? (4, Funny)

Compaqt (1758360) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945514)

I thought it had relocated to the Internet Archive [archive.org] , along with MySpace, Friendster, and GeoCities.

Or is it waiting for Yahoo, and they'll go together?

Re:Hotmail, is that still around? (4, Informative)

ad0gg (594412) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945758)

They are the largest web email provider out there followed by yahoo.

Re:Hotmail, is that still around? (2)

ChaosAddict (816801) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945916)

It looks like Hotmail follows Yahoo! and possibly Gmail based on this link [amplifymar...ggroup.com] .

So hotmail is largest in volume of e-mail sent? (1)

reiisi (1211052) | more than 2 years ago | (#37946038)

Did I interpret those graphs right?

Re:So hotmail is largest in volume of e-mail sent? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37946092)

That's because it's so extensively spam to and from ad-bots. Simply blacklisting Hotmail is one of the easiest ways to reduce both spam and traffic from stupid people.

Re:Hotmail, is that still around? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37945938)

Everyone including wikipedia is quoting a Comscore report from August 2010, /except/ for Comscore. No record of it there at all.
http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events/Press_Releases?year=3885&keywords=hotmail&location=0&searchBtn=Search [comscore.com]

Perhaps someone could find it? Or link to another report, rather than a reference?

Re:Hotmail, is that still around? (1)

bryan1945 (301828) | more than 2 years ago | (#37946430)

I'm surprised, too. I haven't seen a Hotmail email addy in, um well, a long time. Never used it, so I have nothing against it, just the bad stuff I heard from others. Then that chatter died down, so I figured it went kaput.

Hotmail is still around? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37945520)

Learn something new every day

Re:Hotmail is still around? (1)

identity0 (77976) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945814)

I had a Hotmail account in the 90s, since before MS took it over. Wasn't it basically the first free webmail?

But alas, I lost my account after MS decided that not logging in for 30 days meant you lose the account. Stupid policy, and I lost all my mail up to that point. Yes, it's a free service, but to cut you off for NOT using it, and making you lose your data? Fuck MS, that is actually the worst thing MS has done to me thus far and I still hate them for it.

The best part is that I think that address might still be used by someone, as I found out recently that hotmail recycles old addresses. Signed up for a throwaway Hotmail account to use for a signup for Youtube, and was told "that address is already assosciated with an account" by Youtube.

Anyways, left Hotmail for Yahoo in the late 90s or early 2ks, and have been satisfied since. Has Hotmail improved since then?

Re:Hotmail is still around? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37945992)

But alas, I lost my account after MS decided that not logging in for 30 days meant you lose the account. Stupid policy, and I lost all my mail up to that point. Yes, it's a free service, but to cut you off for NOT using it, and making you lose your data? Fuck MS, that is actually the worst thing MS has done to me thus far and I still hate them for it.

It's currently 90 days and Google has the same type of policy. It's unfortunate that you didn't read / understand the TOS.

Re:Hotmail is still around? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37948052)

Oh, you didn't read the e-mail they sent to warn you?

Re:Hotmail is still around? (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945832)

It must suck being blind.

If you are wondering why (5, Informative)

will_die (586523) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945530)

Looking down a few links the reason for the increase is that iOS 5 added support for hotmail to the built in email program.

Re:If you are wondering why (5, Informative)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945540)

It already supported it. You set it up as an exchange account with the server m.hotmail.com. What is new is that you can now select hotmail as the option and it does it for you. Any existing exchange accounts configured to use the hotmail server now have the hotmail icon rather than the exchange one.

Re:If you are wondering why (5, Insightful)

agentgonzo (1026204) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945760)

That aside, there are still plenty of people who use iPhones who aren't that technologically literate. They won't know what server to connect to or what an exchange account is. All they know is that they have an iPhone and a Hotmail account. If there's an option in the mail app to configure an Exchange account, they won't bother. If there is one to configure a Hotmail account they'll go "Oooh, I can get my hotmail on my phone" and do it.

Re:If you are wondering why (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37946242)

They don't need to be. 2 minutes with Google and the keywords "iPhone hotmail" gives you step by step instructions.

Oh, you mean they're not that technologically literate ... :)

Re:If you are wondering why (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37946766)

That aside, there are still plenty of people who use iPhones who aren't that technologically literate. They won't know what server to connect to or what an exchange account is. All they know is that they have an iPhone and a Hotmail account. If there's an option in the mail app to configure an Exchange account, they won't bother. If there is one to configure a Hotmail account they'll go "Oooh, I can get my hotmail on my phone" and do it.

That made me laugh. Apple users being technologically literate. Pretty sure one of the pillars of using an Apple product was ease of use for the technologically illiterate. That whole "Apple just works" spiel.

Re:If you are wondering why (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37950860)

+ bloody 1

Re:If you are wondering why (1)

Dan541 (1032000) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945970)

I liked their old logo: http://s3.danscomp.net/hotmail_logo.gif [danscomp.net]

Re:If you are wondering why (1)

funfail (970288) | more than 2 years ago | (#37946248)

The original (non-MS) logo was like "HoTMaiL", indicating that the service is web (HTML) based...

Re:If you are wondering why (1)

Dan541 (1032000) | more than 2 years ago | (#37946508)

Re:If you are wondering why (1)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 2 years ago | (#37946326)

It already supported it. You set it up as an exchange account with the server m.hotmail.com.

And this is the reason why it didn't get much traction until iOS5. Prior to it, you had to know:

  1. What exchange was.
  2. That hotmail supported exchange.
  3. That you needed to get a server name to put into that field.

Personally I think Apple should scrap their current method of configuration and go with a wizard style interface. You plug in your email address, it trundles off the the Apple server, works out how to configure you email accounts and then asks for any other information it needs to finish the process (bearing in mind that some services use your email address as the username so you don't need to ask for that).

Then Apple could just update the server with new email providers based on the popular ones available today. No software update on the phones needed.

Doesn't explain why. (1)

reiisi (1211052) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945730)

Only explains the spike.

The question is not why the spike, the question is why people would still deliberately subject themselves and their mail to Microsoft when they have plenty of options.

(I know, I know, some people acquire a taste for bondage. And, of course, there is now the question looming of why people would subject themselves and their data to Apple any more.)

(Not sure how serious I mean this post to be taken, but I sure wish I could get people to take their blinders off when looking at the computer industry.)

(Heh. This post is more parenthetic aside than comment.)

Re:Doesn't explain why. (1)

agentgonzo (1026204) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945754)

It'd be interesting to see how many asinine comments like this there would be on slashdot about how horrendous Hotmail is if Microsoft hadn't bought them and people judged it on its own merits, rather than ownership. I haven't used Hotmail since the mid nineties, but plenty of friends do and I haven't heard anything bad about it.

Re:Doesn't explain why. (1)

heathen_01 (1191043) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945846)

Is it judged by its ownership or is the ownership used to explain the results of the judgement?

Re:Doesn't explain why. (1)

m.ducharme (1082683) | more than 2 years ago | (#37946032)

Speaking as someone who had a hotmail account before Microsoft bought them, I can say that changing ownership brought with it changes to the service, and those changes were generally not for the better. I'd like to see what Hotmail would have evolved to if they'd never been bought up by Microsoft.

Re:Doesn't explain why. (1)

SadButTrue (848439) | more than 2 years ago | (#37946162)

Back in the days of the dotcom bubble I worked for a company that sent a LOT of email (read that as you will). Hotmail was the only major email service that never complained or blocked our servers. I don't know when MS bought them but I doubt they were so lackadaisical just because of the purchase.

Re:Doesn't explain why. (2)

bberens (965711) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947234)

I suspect it would have evolved into a 404 error.

Re:Doesn't explain why. (4, Insightful)

gmack (197796) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945828)

Email addresses are hard to change. I know a lot of people who still have their email address from 10 years ago and don't want to touch it because that's the email address everyone has and tracking down everyone on the old address would be far too hard.

I can understand the sentiment because I've had my email address for 14 years now and every once and awhile I get someone I haven't heard from in a few years get in contact with me using the address I gave them years ago.

Re:Doesn't explain why. (2)

Inda (580031) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945962)

There's no need to change it though, you just aquire a new address and have your old mail forwarded.

These are teh sorts of tips people lap up. Spread them.

Re:Doesn't explain why. (1)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#37946218)

and what happens after you don't log in for 30 days and the email provider deletes your address?

Re:Doesn't explain why. (2)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 2 years ago | (#37946550)

Hotmail kills your account after 90 days, so you also have to remember to log in once in a while.

Re:Doesn't explain why. (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947216)

Would having a POP program poll the Inbox be sufficient, or do you have to physically go to the Hotmail web site and log in?

Re:Doesn't explain why. (2)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947432)

'Fraid I don't know. The terms say, "Our reasons for cancellation may include that we stop providing the service in your region or that you breach this contract, fail to sign in to the Windows Live ID network during a 90-day period, or don't pay fees that you owe to us or to our agents." and make no mention of POP. Gmail can definitely get Hotmail via POP, but I don't know what happens if you only use that.

Re:Doesn't explain why. (1)

DeadboltX (751907) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947556)

With Apple pushing their cloud services, making Hotmail an officially supported mail provider could be one step toward a one-click mobileme signup button. One click to copy all of your existing emails, contacts, notes and information to the apple cloud. It would of course also set up a forwarder in Hotmail to your new apple email address while making an auto-reply to anyone sending it to the Hotmail address with the message "I've updated my email, please send all future emails to ...."

Re:Doesn't explain why. (1)

quintus_horatius (1119995) | more than 2 years ago | (#37948220)

That's why services like pobox.com [pobox.com] exist. I've had the same email address since 1997, but I've used mutiple ISPs, Yahoo Mail, Hotmail, Gmail, etc. for my email in that time.

Whether or not anyone else cares that they can still get ahold of me is a different issue.

Re:Doesn't explain why. (1)

PNutts (199112) | more than 2 years ago | (#37946090)

...the question is why people would still deliberately subject themselves and their mail to Microsoft when they have plenty of options.

Subject my *mail* to Microsoft? I honestly don't think it cares. In fact, the guy in the v1@gra ad seems pretty goddamn giddy about it.

Re:Doesn't explain why. (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#37946250)

The answer is simple. They learned it and don't want to change. This is from a web site filled with people who still think the mouse was a bad idea. And we should still be using 80x25 teletype machines.
Then there is the issue of having to tell everyone they got a new email address etc....

Many people when they choose what they wanted for email they choose a service that some of their friends or family used. For my parents it was using Yahoo mail. But it could have just as easily been Hotmail or Google. They wouldn't ever choose the same service I did because they figure that I will choose the hardest one to use, because I am a "Computer Guy" But they would choose what my Sister users or my Aunts and Uncles.

 

Re:Doesn't explain why. (1)

nightfell (2480334) | more than 2 years ago | (#37950818)

The question is why wouldn't they subject their mail to Microsoft (or their data to Apple, for your other question)? They already (including most people here) put much more data and trust into Facebook and Google as it is.

1 in 10 iPhone users use Hotmail (4, Funny)

Outtascope (972222) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945746)

Things are now clear to me. I guess the other 9 are too busy looking for their geocities page to bother with email.

Not news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37945756)

Wow, how fascinating to everyone with Asperger's!

You gotta wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37945826)

I had several HotMail accounts that I was using to subscribe to various forums etc. I mostly quit using them the day MS bought Hotmail and started using fake Yahoo! emails account instead.

My real account? GMail since I got invited to the private beta.

I really wonder where are all these hotmail users because all my contacts are mostly GMail and Yahoo! I'm really surprised when I see Hotmail addresses nowadays. You gotta wonder how they're the "biggest or second biggest" and if they're not counting all these old fake inactive accounts.

The person who used to email me from Hotmail are typically the ones now PM'ing me using FaceBook, which may explain a lot too ; )

Re:You gotta wonder... (1)

DarkXale (1771414) | more than 2 years ago | (#37946014)

Depends on the group I guess. Yahoo is probably popular in the US, but from my experience its almost unheard of in the rest of the world. I see more gmail accounts than hotmail ones nowadays, but theres still plenty of both - compared to zero for Yahoo. (Both current and historically).

Patented Hand Gestures (0)

qualityassurancedept (2469696) | more than 2 years ago | (#37945870)

One thing I like about my iPhone is that tapping my finger on the screen to get to my hotmail is a patented hand gesture. Now if I could figure out some other way to send a message other than to throw the stinkin thing at the wall.

Re:Patented Hand Gestures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37946070)

Cool story troll

they should now expect to see ads telling them (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 2 years ago | (#37946030)

see ads telling them how great Windows Phones are and then they'll see coupons making it free to switch phones and get a free upgrade to Microsoft Windows 8. But from what I've heard from kids, they don't need a computer any more and when they do they'll use it at school or their parents.

LoB

AppleID Hotmail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37946236)

Now that An AppleID provides free 25gb worth of storage and an email address, why would an iPad or iPhone user bother with Hotmail? If anything, I've learned that Apple tech solutions have allowed me to go Microsoft free over the past two years.

Re:AppleID Hotmail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37948606)

Based on my experience with .Mac and then MobileMe, I've learned that Apple sucks at providing large-scale internet services such as email and corresponding webmail interface. The only stuff they do well (iTunes music store) is outsourced to Akamai. I don't use the email portion of my .Mac/MobileMe/iCloud/jesusMail account for anything other than an extra, low-reliability backup (procmail auto-forwards important mails to it). Check it about 2-3 times a year and remember why I'd never rely on it for primary email.

explaining the spike (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37946330)

The spike is even better explained.
My ios device didn't show hotmail as a choice until very recently(think a few days) and this device has been ios5 for almost a month.

Apple probably didn't allow hotmail at first, then decided they weren't a threat and turned them on.

frist! s.top (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37946332)

:megs of ram runs Whether you base for freeBSD ME! It's official

Normal with the new Google policy for gmail .... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37946862)

I tried to make a new gmail account... you know what? They ask my phone number to "identify" who I am and where I lived.

Google stomach is so greedy that they don't get enough with your own email search terms to make target advertising... now they want to OWN your own personal information.

That new policy is annoying enough to make a lot of people moving to hotmail again. So yeah... perhaps mobile is one cause for the hotmail surge... but I guess the other hidden one, is new gmail identify policy.

Re:Normal with the new Google policy for gmail ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37947204)

I suspect that's more an anti-spam measure, but still, creepy.

Google mail/voice on my iPod Touch (1)

rjejr (921275) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947208)

I've never used hotmail, but know quite a few people who do. I don't think I know anybody in real life who uses Slashdot. There are a lot more real people in the world than Slashdot readers, some of you keep forgetting that. I have a friend who still uses his Juno email account. This despite having broadband wireless w/ Time Warner hooked up in his Brooklyn apartment. Juno. I like the way Google gmail led me to Voice which allows me to make free calls and send/receive txt messages over WiFi. I have a $5 month Pay-as-you-go cell phone plan that I almost never use now. I suppose Microsoft has something similar w/ Hotmail.

Did MS pay for this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37947878)

My question is: Did Microsoft pay to have this new wizard on how to connect to hotmail?

imho (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37949178)

i think that most of that hotmail accounts' name is like sTuPiD_gIrLz!1996@hotmail.com (old mails registred before facebook usually and only used for MSN by stupid girl who his father gave them a laptop despite they where 13; the iPhone 4S is the next step)

Ha, ha, ha! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37949224)

Apple users think they're cool, but two million use Hotmail????? I guess they're not that cool after all. That's like having a baby-seat in a Porsche.

Could do this in iOS v4 anyway! (1)

DNX Blandy (666359) | more than 2 years ago | (#37949324)

Hotmail Mobile Exchange Server: m.hotmail.com Enable SSL User Pass Done.

Android (1)

slapout (93640) | more than 2 years ago | (#37949746)

They also recently released an Android app.

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