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The CIA's Social Mining Department

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the digesting-aggregated-opinions dept.

Communications 110

bsquizzato writes "The Associated Press is running a story about the CIA's Open Source Center: 'a team known affectionately as the "vengeful librarians,"' who work out of 'an anonymous industrial park in Virginia, in an unassuming brick building' scouring social networks and other online media to keep up with the world's current events and opinions on American actions. This should come as no surprise, but it's quite interesting that President Obama is briefed daily on the latest hot topic tweets and Facebook posts."

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CIA=Facebook=Google (-1, Troll)

stanlyb (1839382) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947336)

I thought they are all some kind of CIA shadow companies, and now we have the proof. God Bless America.

Re:CIA=Facebook=Google (1)

pmgarvey (2497652) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947414)

What? By those standards the fact that the CIA probably has people reading newspapers implies that they work for them too. The CIA probably reads Iranian government press releases too. Going through public domain information to find useful intelligence is exactly what they're supposed to do.

Re:CIA=Facebook=Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37947484)

Going through public domain information to find useful intelligence is exactly what they're supposed to do.

This is exactly what they do do. Most CIA analysts spend their time reading the newspapers and correlating discrete bits of information into a larger picture. It's only a tiny percentage who are doing what the popular imagination would consider "spy stuff." This is really no different than what they've been doing.

Re:CIA=Facebook=Google (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | more than 2 years ago | (#37949860)

What could possibly go wrong?

Secretary: Mr. President, here is today's status on Pakistan, status is medium, nothing new.
Mr. President: Thank you, hopefully negotiations will work out better this time.
Secretary: Here is the status on bailing out Greece, status is low, predictable trends.
Mr. President: Good, anything else?
Secretary: Justin Beaver appears to be a father.
Mr. President: What!?

Re:CIA=Facebook=Google (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37948696)

You're right, their reading of public domain information off of facebook does not mean that they own facebook.

The fact that they dumped $12.7 million into facebook (when it was worth $500 thousand) does kind of mean they own it.

watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfY_HTzd_4U

The CIA had the creation of a relationship network database of Americans as a stated goal long before they wound up co-opting facebook for that purpose...

Just watch the video.

Re:CIA=Facebook=Google (1)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947564)

They don't need to own the companies to do their social engineering work...

They just hire third party companies to go online and astroturf [computerworld.com] the hell out of anything they get their hands on. [boingboing.net]

Re:CIA=Facebook=Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37947642)

They don't need to own the companies to do their social engineering work... They just hire third party companies to go online and astroturf the hell out of anything they get their hands on.

More likely, they know exactly who the astroturfers are, and exclude the astroturf from their tallies. If you want to know what's really going on, you have to exclude the spam.

They probably do keep an eye on which astroturfers are more effective at their jobs, though. (You might be very interested, however, in which spam campaigns actually catch on amongst a receptive sub-population.)

Re:CIA=Facebook=Google (1)

tqk (413719) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947710)

I thought they are all some kind of CIA shadow companies, and now we have the proof.

Why's this modded "Troll"? AT&T's been proved to leap onto its back and spread its legs for the NSA. This's no different. What surprise is there in knowing what DHS can do to Google whenever they want, regardless of what Sergei Brin might want.

"Do no evil", sure, but then the Feds show up with "a request."

Re:CIA=Facebook=Google (1)

Godskitchen (1017786) | more than 2 years ago | (#37951132)

Why do you sound so surprised that a government peruses information freely provided by citizens? Especially since we've seen that many "movements" (e.g. Arab Spring) started on these sites. Makes perfect sense to me.

Re:CIA=Facebook=Google (2)

stanlyb (1839382) | more than 2 years ago | (#37951386)

You need to check with the dictionary what government is, who is paying their salary, who they serve, and what their job actually is. I will help you: "The Government" is not some alien or a person, and regarding the "constitution", it's only purpose is border control and war.

Happy November from the Golden Girls! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37947348)

Thank you for being a friend
Traveled down the road and back again
Your heart is true, you're a pal and a cosmonaut.

And if you threw a party
Invited everyone you ever knew
You would see the biggest gift would be from me
And the card attached would say, thank you for being a friend.

Re:Happy November from the Golden Girls! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37947738)

You want to party? Climb up my trouser leg, and have a ball! You can have trouser trout for lunch, too!

Re:Happy November from the Golden Girls! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37948044)

I loved that show. Spasibo, tovarisch!

Ugh... (1)

Foxhoundz (2015516) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947356)

but it's quite interesting that President Obama is briefed daily on the latest hot topic tweets and Facebook posts."

Isn't that what trending hashtags are for?

Re:Ugh... (1)

ciderbrew (1860166) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947862)

I think they may be smarter then you think. #blowupanairplane might make it a bit too easy find.

Re:Ugh... (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 2 years ago | (#37949242)

but it's quite interesting that President Obama is briefed daily on the latest hot topic tweets and Facebook posts."

Isn't that what trending hashtags are for?

Hmm...well, that might help a little explaining the current state of the economy, and the US in general.

Get off the fucking social networks...and start actually consulting impartial experts, and actually maybe....follow their advice, regardless of which party might seem to benefit.

Governing by 'mood of the country' isn't the best way to get things done....about as productive as playing Farmville.

As Much As I Don't Like Obama... (2)

KermodeBear (738243) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947394)

[...] it's quite interesting that President Obama is briefed daily on the latest hot topic tweets and Facebook posts."

Not only interesting, but smart if he wants to get votes. Connecting with the public, and being able to converse on recent hot topics, or insert them into speeches, is a good way to get votes. It helps reduce the perception that he is disconnected from the people, which is an oft-heard complaint about those in Washington.

Re:As Much As I Don't Like Obama... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37947454)

It helps reduce the perception that he is disconnected from the people, which is an oft-heard complaint about those in Washington.

Mostly because that's actually the case.

On a side note, considering that most of America doesn't actually give a shit about, well, anything political, I wonder how often he gets briefed on the latest American Idol results or the new Beavis and Butthead. Heh. Heh. That would be cool.

Re:As Much As I Don't Like Obama... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37947490)

... and you've just given an excellent description of the the difference between a politician and a leader.

Re:As Much As I Don't Like Obama... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37947492)

He's already proven that he doesn't care with his handling of the online petitions. Legalize marijuana? Marijuana is a dangerous drug that will make you freak out and jump out a third-story window.

No religion in the public square? Oh, but religion promotes family values blah blah blah.

We the people correctly believe that the powers that be are not acting in the best interests of the vast majority of our population. It's clear now that the white house doesn't even have to pretend to give a shit about the people. That's why more drastic action, like the protests and beyond, must be taken.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:As Much As I Don't Like Obama... (3, Insightful)

rickb928 (945187) | more than 2 years ago | (#37948424)

"That's why more drastic action, like the protests and beyond, must be taken."

Well, if we paid attention at election time and actually examined the candidates, we would, sadly, conclude that none of them can be trusted, and none of them deserve our votes.

Then we would pay more attention to the selection process, and would realize, sadly, that none of them can be trusted, and none of them deserve our support.

Then, perhaps, we would pay more attention to the media, and realize, sadly, that none of it serves us. And we would look elsewhere for such meager scraps of information as can be useful in selecting our political leaders.

All of which is a waste of time, since the majority in the U.S. will never care who they vote for, so long as they can vote for the one that promises they will not have to pay taxes and will taken care of by their government, for others will pay the taxes.

Doomed. We are doomed.

Well, I was with you right until... (1)

Cragen (697038) | more than 2 years ago | (#37949168)

"And we would look elsewhere.." The previous three sentences were quite enough basis for some (many?) of us to realize that none of it is for our benefit. Monarchy, Communism, Theocracy, Democracy, and the rest are all designed for those that rule. Fortunately, Democracy's rule making process, up to recently, makes very hard to affect anything very positively or very negatively, really, so it gets my vote. And, no, I don't vote. The good news: Looking anywhere outside yourself for answers is waste of time. However, one can penetrate the illusion of all this silliness to find mental peace. It's just not easy. Good Luck.

Re:As Much As I Don't Like Obama... (1)

Thing 1 (178996) | more than 2 years ago | (#37953990)

All of which is a waste of time, since the majority in the U.S. will never care who they vote for, so long as they can vote for the one that promises they will not have to pay taxes and will taken care of by their government, for others will pay the taxes.

Yeah, that's the part I find really, really fucking strange. My dad will never be a millionaire, yet he votes Republican and defends their "no taxing the rich" strategy. That just doesn't make sense to me; "no taxing me" I get, but "no taxing someone taking advantage of me" just doesn't hit me the same way. Perhaps in 20 years or so I'll be going senile too.

(BTW, love your .sig.)

Re:As Much As I Don't Like Obama... (2)

rickb928 (945187) | more than 2 years ago | (#37954460)

Well, I can't speak for your father, but I can tell you how I feel about the 'tax the rich' ideas.

First, the premise that the rich aren't paying their fair share is difficult to support if you consider how much a share of tax revenue they already pay.

Second, when you see that 49-51% of all taxpayers aren't paying taxes at all, you might ask yourself 'why?'. Two possiblities:

1. These are the housholds that are so close or below the poverty line, that they ought to be excused from taxes.
2. Our representatives have, in their largesse, repeatedly made such changes to tax code that half their constituents pay no taxes, for various reasons. Some related to #1, some not.

If half our households are below the poverty line, I propose that we need to reconsider the 'poverty line' settings. Half is closer to normal than not.

And of course, our representatives aren't above buying votes.

I think also that the idea of 'taxing the rich' is essentially 'tax someone else'. This is most likely to lead to eventually running out of 'someone else' to tax. Not good.

This is not the time to shrink our government, even if we can, but it is also not the time to continue to tax as if there is no problem spending that revenue, be it on expenses or interest or debt amortization.

But there's never any good time to pay down your debt, except now. Make hard choices.

Then talk more about taxes.

ps - You'll be pissed off in a couple of decades or so when someone writes that 'perhaps in 20 years or so I'll be going senile too' in response to your ideas. Pure arrogance that your father's disagreement with you is senility, unless he is actually going senile, in which case you should be ashamed of yourself, and I pray for your father and your familyas they deal with this. And you.

Re:As Much As I Don't Like Obama... (1)

mistiry (1845474) | more than 2 years ago | (#37948464)

Legalize marijuana? Marijuana is a dangerous drug that will make you freak out and jump out a third-story window.

I really hope that you are joking/trolling...

Anyone who still holds the belief that marijuana is either a) dangerous or b) a gateway drug needs to seriously read up on the FACTS...

And before the flaming begins, smoking is not the only way to ingest marijuana, so don't start spouting off crap about lung cancer - show me a scientific link between ingesting marijuana through mastication and any kind of cancer or illness. Oh, no luck? I can show you plenty of first hand reports of the BENEFITS. I will concede that science is lacking on both ends of the argument, but my point is still valid.

As for being a gateway drug, tell me...how many drug users actually started with cigarettes or alcohol, or caffeine? THOSE are the gateway drugs.

Re:As Much As I Don't Like Obama... (1)

MimeticLie (1866406) | more than 2 years ago | (#37948932)

He's referencing the response of the Obama administration to a petition to legalize marijuana on it's petition website [whitehouse.gov] .

The responses from the administration make it clear that website isn't about listening to the petitioners, but rather telling them why what the government is already doing is the right thing (and why you should just sit down and stop making a fuss, thanks). In the case of marijuana, their argument is painfully thin. They trot out the "marijuana significant use is a source for voluntary drug treatment admissions and visits to emergency rooms" line without mentioning that their source shows that underage drinking causes far more emergency room visits than marijuana (it doesn't mention consumption by adults however. I'd be interested to see that statistic). And then they have this gem:

Like many, we are interested in the potential marijuana may have in providing relief to individuals diagnosed with certain serious illnesses. That is why we ardently support ongoing research into determining what components of the marijuana plant can be used as medicine.

In other words, if you get it from Big Pharma, it's a-ok. If you buy it from a local grower (or grow it yourself), then you're a drug-using felon.

I don't have a a personal interest in this issue. I don't use marijuana, nor does anyone I know (that I'm aware of, anyway). But the patronizing bullshit that gets spewed by politicians and law enforcement about drug laws shows a level of contempt for citizens that is almost unbelievable to me.

Re:As Much As I Don't Like Obama... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37948998)

Sounds like marijuana makes people blind (to sarcasm), and forces them to post knee-jerk responses out of ill-placed anger.

Re:As Much As I Don't Like Obama... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37949728)

Nah that's just the Slashdautism speaking

Reefer Madness? (1)

kermidge (2221646) | more than 2 years ago | (#37954388)

Maryjane a gateway drug? Well, could be. I smoked weed for six months before ever smoking tobacco - during my first acid trip. Did plenty of the psycho-active, -delic stuff for ten years, '67-'77, picked it up, laid it down. Only stuff to cause any probs at all to date are nicotine, alcohol, caffeine.

And yeah, ingestion works great for boo (takes more but lasts longer and is mellower - mind the dosage); used to powder leaves and buds in blender or pestle and use as ingredient for sauces, dressings, whathaveyou, even Jello. Kept a shaker on the table - great with scrambled eggs, for example. Never tried it on ice cream.

Re:As Much As I Don't Like Obama... (2)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947770)

Not only interesting, but smart if he wants to get votes.

It's also the root of The Problem - politics has changed into a game of trying to please the unwashed masses while painting the opposition as black as possible.

The people running the country should be concerned about doing it efficiently while solving the big problems (economy, energy, healthcare, debt, etc). Being leaders who get stuff done, leading the world by example. As it is they're more concerned about expensive suits, manicures and looking good on TV.

The system is broken and we're the ones who're footing the bill.

Re:As Much As I Don't Like Obama... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37949000)

To be quite honest, he hasn't exactly been going around making the dramatic statements of the bush era. If anything he seems rather balanced and calming when presented with ridiculous news headlines. Oh and I say this as an anarcho-capitalist, who doesn't live in America.

Alas, every politicians career ends in failure.

Re:As Much As I Don't Like Obama... (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 2 years ago | (#37949172)

politics has changed into a game of trying to please the unwashed masses while painting the opposition as black as possible.

That change occurred when humans got involved in politics thousands of years ago. "Thag promise no regulate clubs, not like corrupt evil Ogg."

Re:As Much As I Don't Like Obama... (2)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 2 years ago | (#37949294)

"Thag promise no regulate clubs, not like corrupt evil Ogg."

Yes, but his reign was sadly cut short by the Thagomizer [wikipedia.org] ....

Re:As Much As I Don't Like Obama... (1)

KermodeBear (738243) | more than 2 years ago | (#37949690)

It is the root of the problem. But if you want votes then that's a good way to ensure you get some.

The problem is that the politicians who can solve the problems won't ever get elected. It's akin to a parent telling a kid he can't have ice cream, but must eat beansprouts instead.

Re:As Much As I Don't Like Obama... (1)

dave562 (969951) | more than 2 years ago | (#37949454)

So the CIA is helping Obama stay on top of the latest trends that will help him converse on the latest topics?

Great. I'm so glad that tax dollars are helping politicians keep up with Facebook at Twitter. It would be bad enough of their staff was doing it. But the CIA? Come on now. I was under the impression that there are real, pressing issues to focus on. Issues like China and Russia coordinating organized, 24x7 penetration testing of anything and everything connected to the internet.

Re:As Much As I Don't Like Obama... (1)

budgenator (254554) | more than 2 years ago | (#37949898)

So the CIA is helping Obama stay on top of the latest trends that will help him converse on the latest topics?

Great. I'm so glad that tax dollars are helping politicians keep up with Facebook at Twitter. It would be bad enough of their staff was doing it. But the CIA? Come on now. I was under the impression that there are real, pressing issues to focus on. Issues like China and Russia coordinating organized, 24x7 penetration testing of anything and everything connected to the internet.

Well if its a secondary benefit to activities more in keeping with their primary mission why not brief the pres about public sentiment? As far as the Chinese and Russians using our networked computer as sex dolls, that's more of a NSA thing than CIA.

Re:As Much As I Don't Like Obama... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37951086)

Issues like China and Russia coordinating organized, 24x7 penetration testing of anything and everything connected to the internet.

So that's why you connected your ass to the Internet...

Re:As Much As I Don't Like Obama... (1)

arkenian (1560563) | more than 2 years ago | (#37951152)

I doubt it. The CIA isn't supposed to, and generally doesn't bother, to collect the latest trends of opinion in the US. Frankly speaking, a modern US president should have better sources than the CIA for that. On the other hand, knowing what issues are trending in europe right now?? Or China? THAT is the CIA's business... Also, that said, I'm pretty sure that these things are just factors fed into the PDB and generally not line items, and certainly not line items that make the main sections. *shrugs* Unless Obama happens to be interested. One of the perks (and responsbilities, honestly) of being president is getting to have a fair amount of control over the content and structure of your data stream.

... and ... (1)

Jimpqfly (790794) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947404)

... latest Slashdot comments ?

Why? (3, Insightful)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947464)

Why does Obama even bother? Based on the petition responses, he doesn't really give a shit what any of us "little people" think, anyway.

I think he's just looking for buzz words to use as he blows more smoke up our collective asses, myself.

Neither party represents the people any more. It's time to call a mulligan on this one and start again...

Re:Why? (2)

darkmeridian (119044) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947658)

This isn't used for figuring out his politics. Twitter and all this other social media BS is used for arranging protests against various foreign governments, and also to advocate terrorism. The guy we whacked in Yemen was calling for jihad based in part on a series of Youtube videos. Keeping apprised of these developments can be very useful, especially if they're figuring out where these various posts are coming from. If there's a movement arising in Syria, for instance, the US and NATO can step in to provide the rebels aid.

Or maybe they're just using this to run for re-election. I really don't know.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37948940)

The guy we whacked in Yemen was calling for jihad based in part on a series of Youtube videos.

You mean your own citizen?

Re:Why? (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947696)

Why does Obama even bother? Based on the petition responses, he doesn't really give a shit what any of us "little people" think, anyway.

Which of the White House responses is it that you thought was out of line with the American public as a whole?

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37947772)

This is Slashdot. It was almost certainly the Marijuana response he was complaining about. For me, I'm very sick and tired of the stoners trying to hijack every internet political forum for their pet project - they seem very tense about it, too. That's probably because they're using the Internet at work and so not sufficiently stoned.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37947884)

Actually, the Religion and Patent Reform responses were pretty fucking stupid, too, but yeah, the Marijuana one was definitely a politely-worded "Fuck You".

Re:Why? (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947980)

dude needs to chill.

I have an idea but I don't think you are at all receptive to it.

pity, though.

Re:Why? (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 2 years ago | (#37948702)

Hey, I'm in favor of legalization myself (although I don't and wouldn't use) but I can't blame the administration too much for carrying out the will of the people. A referendum on legalization failed in California [go.com] - and that was California.

Re:Why? (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 2 years ago | (#37948840)

It doesn't need to be legalized, it only needs to be removed from the Schedule 1 list so that it can legitimately be prescribed across the US.

I'm sure if it was up to the people Viagra and many other drugs would never been allowed to be prescribed.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37948934)

This is Slashdot. It was almost certainly the Marijuana response he was complaining about. For me, I'm very sick and tired of the stoners trying to hijack every internet political forum for their pet project - they seem very tense about it, too. That's probably because they're using the Internet at work and so not sufficiently stoned.

There are people who are against hurting and demonizing people with draconian drug laws that don't even use "Drugs", just like there are people who are pro-choice who don't or can't have abortions (like men for example).

The problem is that a lot of intelligent people put a lot of time and effort and research into presenting their arguments only to be told that their arguments are bullshit and created by and for "Stoners". Too bad your extremist Right Wing attitude and "morality" usually always trumps logic and sincerity.

I get the feeling that the decisions have already been made long before people bother reading other people's opinions. It doesn't really matter what the issue is, though the marijuana issue is certainly a good example, because it was Richard Nixon's own science advisors who told him that marijuana should be legalized, but instead he decided to escalate the War on Drugs. If we can't have rationality on the marijuana issue then we certainly can't have rationality with other issues. Think of the Children!

In public, you've got leaders and role models (the President of the most powerful country in the world) saying that they base their decisions on science, and in private you have them saying things like this:

"You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana are Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob?"

- citation from the Watergate Tapes, courtesy of Richard "I am not a criminal" Nixon, former president of the United States of America

Re:Why? (1)

Korin43 (881732) | more than 2 years ago | (#37949380)

This is Slashdot. It was almost certainly the Marijuana response he was complaining about. For me, I'm very sick and tired of the stoners trying to hijack every internet political forum for their pet project - they seem very tense about it, too. That's probably because they're using the Internet at work and so not sufficiently stoned.

Or it could be that non-violent people are being thrown in jail in large numbers, and some of us have a problem with that. I suppose you don't care since it's not your problem, but what is your problem is the amount of money our government spends ruining people's lives.

Re:Why? (1)

dbet (1607261) | more than 2 years ago | (#37949838)

By "stoners", do you mean "people"? It's clear by your tone that you don't.

Re:Why? (2)

MimeticLie (1866406) | more than 2 years ago | (#37949096)

They're all just justifications of the administration's existing policies. It's not a platform for interacting with the citizenry, it's a platform to lecture you about why the government is right.

Concern about software patents -> "That's the way the law works. Now we'll talk up our new patent law which doesn't address them."
Religion in the public square -> "The president mentioned you non-believers in his inaugural address, what more do you want?"
Legalize marijuana -> "The War on Drugs totally works guys, I swear."

The only two petitions that got a positive response were about DOMA and student loans, positions the administration had already taken.

Re:Why? (2)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 2 years ago | (#37949440)

Which of the White House responses is it that you thought was out of line with the American public as a whole?

The ones about how pot was dangerous and should still be against the law, even for medical use.

I saw a story with a poll, on Fox news of all places the other day..where the poll indicated that today, the majority of people in the US were in favor of relaxing / repealing marijuana laws.

That one kinda surprised me....

Re:Why? (2)

pluther (647209) | more than 2 years ago | (#37950576)

It's Fox News.

If Obama is against legalizing marijuana, then they're for it.

When President Bachmann gets into office, they'll be against it again.

Re:Why? (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947904)

mulligan?

you sound .... rich.

(get 'em, boys!)

lousy one percenters.

Re:Why? (1)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 2 years ago | (#37948342)

Given that the game of "Asshole" contains a "mulligan", I am not so sure how well that holds true.

Three Days of the Condor? (1)

Serpents (1831432) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947466)

So something like Three Days of the Condor [imdb.com] but for facebook and twitter? Imagine browsing through millions of pictures of LOLcats day in, day out...

Re:Three Days of the Condor? (4, Funny)

Hartree (191324) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947524)

" Imagine browsing through millions of pictures of LOLcats"

I can has top seecretz?

Re:Three Days of the Condor? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37947754)

:)

Three Days of the Condor (1)

Hartree (191324) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947482)

Vengeful Librarians? Unassuming brick building?

Let's hope Max Von Sydow doesn't show up at their door.

Re:Three Days of the Condor (1)

Howard Beale (92386) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947552)

This is the way it will happen, someone you trust will ask you to get in the car with them. DON'T DO IT!!

Re:Three Days of the Condor (1)

Shoten (260439) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947764)

This is the way it will happen, someone you trust will ask you to get in the car with them. DON'T DO IT!!

And if they will use words like "safe" and "secure," especially in repetition, then it means they mean to kill you!

We see you've been posting on slashdot, citizen (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37947488)

Please report to your nearest rendition centre for mandatory waterboarding and asshole penetration.

Domestic operations? (2)

stevegee58 (1179505) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947566)

I naively thought domestic operations were expressly forbidden in CIA's (classified) charter.

Re:Domestic operations? (5, Insightful)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947598)

After 9/11 the bed wetters gave up their freedom for security, and took everyone along for the ride.

Re:Domestic operations? (1)

Thing 1 (178996) | more than 2 years ago | (#37954064)

I've been wondering why I've been sleeping in the wet spot for a decade, with no action...

Re:Domestic operations? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37954780)

This is an excellent meme. I like!

Err... rest of the world is also on the Internet (1)

Koreantoast (527520) | more than 2 years ago | (#37949160)

I would politely point out that your statement implies that the rest of the world does not use social media ("after all, if they're mining social media, it must be domestic because foreign barbarians aren't as sophisticated as America in this regard"). Contrary to what you may have heard, the rest of the world does actively use it, and the CIA has too many headaches translating and spying on the rest of the world to worry about to be wasting time sorting through what America thinks about Kim Kardashian's divorce. The FBI on the other hand... :P

Re:Err... rest of the world is also on the Interne (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37949842)

The Harrogate pod is certainly not amateurs!

Right Wing must tweet more than the Moderate Wing (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37947582)

One can only presume that there are more Right Wing tweeters than Left Wing or Centrist or tweeters, because ever since he took office he has been playing up to Right Wing sensibilities and corporate interests. Too bad that people like him would rather have a successful career than a moral conscience.

Looking for advice? (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947608)

Sir, the internet recommends you do a barrel roll. Also it seems cats are demanding moar noms.

The CIA's astroturfing department (3, Insightful)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947640)

So I guess they have an astroturfing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing) department, as well. They spread positive stuff on America's actions in foreign social networks.

So I hope that the mining folks don't pick up something spread by their own astroturfing folks. Gee, wouldn't that be a major failure of intelligence gathering.?

Re:The CIA's astroturfing department (3, Insightful)

Shoten (260439) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947748)

So I guess they have an astroturfing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing) department, as well. They spread positive stuff on America's actions in foreign social networks.

So I hope that the mining folks don't pick up something spread by their own astroturfing folks. Gee, wouldn't that be a major failure of intelligence gathering.?

So, first off, before it was called "astroturfing" it was already an old practice in the realm of geopolitics...it was called "propoganda," and everyone does it like crazy. It's not rocket science that you guessed at that, by the way...this is far, far, far from being either a news or secret.

If you read the article, you'll see that what they're doing is not just absorbing the messages, but looking at the information in the context of the sources providing them. And they aren't just looking at opinions, but at facts as well. In fact, I'd be shocked if they weren't fully aware of what other efforts were underway to improve the viewpoint on American activities, and cross-referencing to validate the effectiveness of those efforts. As well they should; that's part of what an intelligence organization is supposed to do, after all. Why do some people get so upset when the CIA does what the CIA is meant to do? If you want to live in a country that has no such apparatus, your options are extremely limited...I recommend Costa Rica or Luxembourg. At least what we're talking about here is nothing more than listening to what the rest of the world is saying, and paying attention to it...this is not waterboarding, extraordinary rendition, or reaper drone strikes. It's reading Twitter and Facebook.

Re:The CIA's astroturfing department (2)

Plugh (27537) | more than 2 years ago | (#37950478)

As an anarchist [freetalklive.com] , elected official [wikipedia.org] , and member of a vaguely anti-government group [freestateproject.org] , I've often wondered how big the dossier is on me. Either it's large, in which case it documents a whole lot of perfectly legal stuff I'm doing and is just a waste of bureaucrats' time, or it's small or nonexistent, in which case the bureaucrats are fail for missing a guy who you'd think would be on the list.

Re:The CIA's astroturfing department (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37953294)

Why would that be a failure? You're not planning to overthrow the government through violent means, are you?

Sincerely,
A Vengeful Librarian

Re:The CIA's astroturfing department (1)

Plugh (27537) | more than 2 years ago | (#37953344)

Getting myself elected seems contradictory to trying to "overthrow" it, don't you think? Long-term, I'd like it to whither on the vine and die. Nullification, followed by secession, OTOH, I'm pushing for rather strongly. Are either of those "overthrow"? 'cause we're making a lot of progress with the former, so how far off can the latter be...?

Pick sides (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37947662)

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Re:Pick sides (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 2 years ago | (#37948032)

I don't get it; your last newsletter was much more lucid.

Re:Pick sides (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 2 years ago | (#37948968)

I was not aware that God was a random word generator.

I'll give them something to mine for (4, Insightful)

IWantMoreSpamPlease (571972) | more than 2 years ago | (#37947918)

How about instead of spying on the little guy, you go after the people that wrecked america, economically, socially, politically and intellectually.

Can you bring those crooks to justice please?

Re:I'll give them something to mine for (2)

robot256 (1635039) | more than 2 years ago | (#37948392)

How about instead of spying on the little guy, you go after the people that wrecked america, economically, socially, politically and intellectually.

They already spend too much time looking in the mirror, and you want them to do it more?

Re:I'll give them something to mine for (2)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 2 years ago | (#37948474)

They funded the guy into office. He's not going to dick about them.

Re:I'll give them something to mine for (1)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#37952266)

They funded every guy into office. They're not going to dick about them.

FTFY.

Re:I'll give them something to mine for (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37948620)

How about instead of spying on the little guy, you go after the people that wrecked america, economically, socially, politically and intellectually.

Can you bring those crooks to justice please?

Because if the CIA went after the executive and legislative branches of government they would most assuredly lose their funding immediately.

Re:I'll give them something to mine for (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37951170)

That isn't going to happen because the ones that are doing the spying (Washington) are owned by the culprits (Corporate America). Nothing is going to change as long as the dough keeps rolling into their (Washington's) pockets.

Modern Spy - An Actual Job Description (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37948168)

Intelligence Analysis Team Lead

XXX seeks an Pattern/Trend (Life) Intelligence Analysis Team Lead to support the XXX at XXX A CURRENT TS/SCI CLEARANCE IS REQUIRED FOR EMPLOYMENT CONSIDERATION. CANDIDATES WITHOUT AN ACTIVE TS/SCI WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED.

The selected individual will lead a team of analysts involved with Pattern of Life (POL) issues. Duties include: plan and develop internal analysis strategies and participate in project/team meetings to provide innovative methods and assistance in social network analysis and presentation of the findings in support of other team members' analysis. Additional duties include: assemble facts and information from a variety of data sources and work products made available by various Federal, state, regional, and tribal enforcement and intelligence agencies; locates, synthesizes, and interprets large amounts of textual, financial, and technical data such as transaction records, financial/accounting statements, money service business records, and general business data, plus intelligence information reports, finished intelligence products, filtered real-time data feeds, directed-searches results, and task-specific, specialized data sources.

The candidate shall possess the following skills: Experience characterizing HUMAN terrain using raster and vector GIS data layers; Experience using ArcGIS or other tools to perform address geocoding; Experience using spatial multi-criteria/multi-objective evaluation techniques in an ArcGIS to conduct area limitation analysis and/or mobility modeling; Experience applying crime mapping, geographic profiling, animal tracking, or manhunting methodologies, methods, and tools to predict where and when an individual is likely to be in a future time and place; Experience developing and applying descriptive and inferential statistics to flows over time and space, including application of time series analysis, sequential data analysis, spatial statistics, or space-time statistics; Experience developing and maintaining geo-databases bases on facility and event locations and times, and other behavioral, cultural, or social factors that influence an individual's spatial decision-making; Experience developing new Pattern of Life support products and analytic techniques; Experience training non-technical audiences in Pattern of Life methodologies, methods and tools; Ability to write scripts/applications in ArcGIS environment using Python or Visual Basic to automated commonly used tasks or loosely couple existing software; Familiarity with the Lund school of space-time geography or other contemporary theories of space-time geography or spatial decision-making; Experience using statistical or spatial statistical software to pattern of life analysis, including CrimeStat, Tableau, SPSS, Statistica, S-Plus, or SAS; Experience using Geotime, Starlight, Inspire, Centrifuge.

Essential Job Functions

        Prepares intelligence documents through intelligence gathering using multiple intelligence sources such as human intelligence (HUMINT), signals intelligence (SIGINT), geospatial intelligence (GEOINT), measurement and signal intelligence (MASINT), open source intelligence (OSINT) to support customers including military, intelligence, law enforcement or security agencies. Recommends process improvements or enhancements to processes.
        Oversees the processing of information about situations and entities of strategic, operational or tactical importance; characterizes possible future actions and identifies possible courses of action or remedies.
        Analyzes current intelligence holdings, identifies potential shortfalls, gaps and vulnerabilities to develop subsequent collection requirements. Develops specialized intelligence products, threat analyses, production support, and tailored intelligence products such as fusion intelligence, warning intelligence, estimative intelligence or psychological profiling. Develops and/or oversees the development of complex briefings, reports and short notice position papers; reviews, approves and compiles reports, overseeing submission of documentation to relevant databases. Presents briefings to key personnel including senior management. Leads, collaborates with and supports broader intelligence project teams.
        Identifies potential targets including assessing targets of opportunity, providing geographic, photographic and threat-related information to appropriate parties such as the military.
        Oversees the processing of incoming reports and messages, determining significance and reliability of incoming information. Integrates incoming intelligence and operational information to maintain situation awareness displays. Identifies issues and concerns and escalates as appropriate.
        Oversees and/or develops periodic and special intelligence reports, plans and briefings. Recommends changes, and where appropriate, courses of action. Identifies critical strategic issues through review of information created.
        Provides leadership and work guidance to less experienced personnel.

Qualifications

Basic Qualifications

        Bachelor's degree or equivalent combination of education and experience
        Bachelor's degree in international relations, political science, public policy, psychology or related field preferred
        Graduate of an intelligence training school or equivalent
        Six or more years of intelligence analysis experience
        Experience working with intelligence organizations
        Experience working with intelligence processes, policies and procedures
        Experience working with multiple intelligence sources
        Experience working with multiple intelligence databases and maintenance of accuracy and content of same
        Experience working with specialized specific intelligence sources such as human intelligence (HUMINT), signals intelligence (SIGINT), geospatial intelligence (GEOINT), measurement and signal intelligence (MASINT), open source intelligence (OSINT) and possibly developing subject matter expertise in that particular discipline
        Possess security clearance as needed-TS/SCI required

Other Qualifications

        Interpersonal skills to interact with customers and team members
        Communication skills to interact with team members and support personnel
        Analytical and problem solving skills for investigating intelligence issues
        Leadership skills
        Ability to work with intelligence databases and related tools
        Ability to work independently and in a team environment
        Willingness to travel

Re:Modern Spy - An Actual Job Description (1)

k6mfw (1182893) | more than 2 years ago | (#37949722)

Regarding spies.... from 1960s Mad Magazine: When we want to gather information on other countries, we employ intelligence agents. When another country does the same to us, we accuse them of using spies.

#Copyright20Years (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37948416)

Let's start tweeting! Please RT #Copyright20Years

Facebook == CIA relationship database (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37948488)

Here's a pretty good explanation about how the subject line of this post is a true statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfY_HTzd_4U

Why is this a surprise? (2)

Koreantoast (527520) | more than 2 years ago | (#37949082)

Why is this a surprise? Given the prominence of social media and public online forums in a lot of the unrest over the last several years, I would be disappointed in the CIA if they were NOT examining this data. Like every other intelligence source, the social media data alone won't provide a complete picture, but combined with other data gathered from more traditional methods, it can provide a real-time indicator of what is going on in a particular part of the world.

Doesn't G+ do this already (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37949312)

Doesn't What's Hot [https://plus.google.com/hot] on G+ already do this. Good to see that the CIA is keeping up with whatever celebrity is marrying/divorcing/hooking up with whoever and pictures of cats doing funny things.

Dear CIA (0)

darjen (879890) | more than 2 years ago | (#37949446)

If you are reading this, and I know you probably are, then fuck you! Also, fuck the American government and the united states military. I don't support any of you jerks. That is all. Sincerely,
darjen

Am I the only one bothered that this is the CIA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37949852)

Why is the CIA the one delivering this data? Shouldn't they be out finding and stopping terrorists?
I mean that seriously. They're not supposed to have any domestic activities. Since when is this appropriate?

Re:Am I the only one bothered that this is the CIA (1)

RobertLTux (260313) | more than 2 years ago | (#37951930)

but "On The Internet" means it can't be domestic (quick name the senators and representatives from "The Internet").

The CIA as a backup solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37950000)

This reminds me of a friend who posted an "open Letter" to the FBI/CIA, effectively saying "I know you are keeping tabs on most things Americans do and write, so if you could, I seem to have lost my copy of a letter I wrote last year. I'd be ever so grateful to get it back!"

Testing... (0)

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Re:Testing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37951000)

Dude you totally forgot the 2 most important words : pedophile and nazi !!! ;-)

Re:Testing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37952504)

Yeah, right. You seem to have forgotten where priorities lie.

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