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import timeline (1, Funny)

ThorGod (456163) | more than 2 years ago | (#37955570)

We'll see it in the US in 2018 for $17k.

I want one...

Re:import timeline (4, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956922)

Look at the smartcar, in Europe it sold NEW for the base model for $5500-6500US when it hit here it sold for $17,500 for the base model and it's gas mileage dropped drastically because they had to add "safety features" that are useless.

The Smart car has stellar safety ratings all over europe, yet it was deemed "unsafe" in the USA and needed to be retrofitted with US safety equipment. Now it has to have the big engine in it ot move it, and Oh you cant have the Diesel engine that get's 80mpg.
  Hopefully someone will circumvent the retarded US auto laws and sell it as a "kit" so it does not have to meet ANY US safety or other laws and can be a home made car that fits under the "experimental" rules like they do iwth aircraft.

Re:import timeline (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#37957924)

useless in who's opinion? Maybe you're not an engineer and your opinion means nothing. The car was found to have inadequate chest protection for passenger in front-end impact and inadequate leg protection for driver. A steel cage was added to rectify these deficiencies. In the USA a mismatch between vehicle kinetic energy in a crash is much more likely than Europe, hence higher standards for the very light cars.

Re:import timeline (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 2 years ago | (#37958372)

Hopefully someone will circumvent the retarded US auto laws and sell it as a "kit" so it does not have to meet ANY US safety or other laws and can be a home made car that fits under the "experimental" rules like they do iwth aircraft.

It doesn't work that way:

Homebuilt land vehicles (cars, motorcycles, ATVs), whether built from a kit or entirely from scratch, are regulated on a state level and must therefore comply with the regulations of the particular state in which they are licensed. Homebuilt vehicles are not regulated on a federal level - at least not formally. Normally, the state-level regulations that apply to such vehicles are less stringent than the federal regulations that apply to manufactured products, but much depends on the state in which you live. For example, the motor vehicle code of many states contains language requiring that all motor vehicles are equipped according to the federal regulations in effect when the vehicle was manufactured. Homebuilt aircraft and watercraft must comply with federal regulations.

Liability insurance should be relatively easy to obtain, and priced about on par with existing coverage. Collision and comprehensive insurance may be more costly and difficult to obtain. The difficulty with comprehensive and collision insurance comes mainly from the inherent difficulty of establishing a value for your car. Consequently, you may be asked to have it professionally appraised, in which case the total coverage will then be limited to the appraised value.

If you do not already have insurance on an existing car, it will be very difficult to find a company that will write a new policy on your homebuilt car.

Licensing And Insuring Homebuilt Vehicles [rqriley.com] [Rev. May 31st]

I live in a lake effect snow belt in upstate New York. The motor vehicle safety laws don't look half so retarded where the weather can turn lethal in a heartbeat.

Re:import timeline (0)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 2 years ago | (#37958502)

Hopefully someone will circumvent the retarded US auto laws and sell it as a "kit" so it does not have to meet ANY US safety

Go fuck yourself. Seriously, Go fuck yourself. A kit car still has to be safe thank god, otherwise we'd have morons like you driving around shit that flies apart going down the road and ends up not killing your retarded ass, but something ends up coming through my windshield and killing me.

Ignorant idiots like you do not need to be assembling anything thats going to go 70 mph on a road that I have to travel on.

You like European safetly laws so much, take your ass over there, I'd prefer to keep idiots like you from putting my life at risk as much as possible. Its bad enough that people have to drive down the road with someone like you.

Please note: Experimental aircraft are HIGHLY restricted, just because they let the owner do stupid shit doesn't mean they let them do stupid shit near others or with others involved. Get a clue moron.

Re:import timeline (1)

JoeMerchant (803320) | more than 2 years ago | (#37957412)

$7K, 80 mile range, 74mph, 2 passengers, I'll grey market import it if it's really that good and cheap.

Well (-1, Flamebait)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#37955580)

That seems kinda pricy to me. Especially looking to Europe for 2013, and the current state of their fiscals and the general shakiness all around. If it was oh $1500, maybe it would be viable. $2000 would be tolerable, but $7k? Not a chance unless you're looking for a status symbol.

Re:Well (2)

MimeticLie (1866406) | more than 2 years ago | (#37955630)

You do realize that despite the name, it's a car rather than a scooter, right? $7k is quite good; the closest competitor that comes to mind would be a Smart Car, and those start at $12k in the US.

Re:Well (0)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#37955692)

Yes, I do. And it's still about triple what the market will be able to bare in 2013.

Re:Well (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37955936)

A 7k car is too expensive? You're a moron.

Re:Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37956160)

You're a moron.

Most insightful comment so far, sadly.

Re:Well (1)

shitzu (931108) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956140)

You are saying that 7k car does not take off in bad economy. Well, bad economy is a good place to sell cheap cars as opposed to expensive ones. Tere might be potential. And besides - while the US consumer is still hot on hybrids that consume more petrol than an average 10 year old diesel hatchback here, electric vehicles are all the rage in EU.

Re:Well (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956464)

Well, bad economy is a good place to sell cheap cars as opposed to expensive ones.

A bad economy is a bad place to sell anything.

The Greeks will probably be on their 962nd bailout before it's in production.

Re:Well (1)

shitzu (931108) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956778)

We are not talking about Greece. We are talking about Germany, where a $7k car is ultra-cheap compared to what people normally buy ($30-100k). European Economy is quite diversified, nothing like US states.

Re:Well (1)

hairyfish (1653411) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956186)

The cheapest car you can buy in Australia is $15k ($US and $AU is about 1:1 presently), the cheapest hybrid is $30k. Not sure what 'market' you're talking about, but this will be the cheapest product on the market, by a fair margin. If it works as advertised it will have no problems selling.

Re:Well (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#37957960)

You mean for people without a tech job? Most of us here have them, we can afford a vehicle for $7 or $15K. Hell, some of us (not me) blow that on electronics over a 3 year period.

Re:Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37956254)

Depends, in Germany the definition of the vehicle(and thus the license you need to operate it) is largely dependent on the power of the motor, not the shape of the vehicle. There are other vehicles that resemble cars but are technically considered scooters, and can thus be operated with a scooter license.

Re:Well (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956546)

I don't think the Smart car is meant as a low cost option at all. For a low cost car you'd buy some eastern European or non-Japanese-Asian brand. The Smart is more of a way to get attention (and more parking gaps). The thing's a Mercedes after all.

Re:Well (1)

Zorpheus (857617) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956314)

Lol you shouldn't take these panik-spreading journalists so serious.

A 1500 USD car from 2011 in Germany :) (1)

jopsen (885607) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956862)

My German isn't very good, but I did a quick search on a mobile.de for a car from 2011 going at about 1100 EURO (approx 1500 USD), and no kidding this is all you'll get for 1500 USD [mobile.de] .
I know car prices are 3x that of Germany where I live (Denmark), but a new car at 1500 USD, I don't even think that's possible in Germany... (The cars around 1100 EURO looks a bit like this [dk.auto.de] and it is from 1982 and has driven more that 300.000 km).

StreetScooter (2)

NFN_NLN (633283) | more than 2 years ago | (#37955608)

"StreetScooter", great name for a product... that isn't a scooter.
Plus, there is no way a search for StreetScooter could return ambiguous results.

http://vimeo.com/28929146 [vimeo.com]

Re:StreetScooter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37955656)

I always thought "Marketing" was to "Business", as "Phys. Ed Teachers" are to "Educators".
But alas, if there is no one manning that station you end up with a car branded a "Scooter".

Re:StreetScooter (1)

Crudely_Indecent (739699) | more than 2 years ago | (#37955678)

Oh, they'll come up with a suitably marketable name for the US. They'll go the "SmartCar" naming route, or they'll go the Psion "XD" naming route.

So it will be given either a stupid name, or a faux cool name.

Re:StreetScooter (1)

JanneM (7445) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956086)

The US market needs a deadly-sounding, weaponish name to play properly to the customers insecurities. "PredaViper 2000 Insurgent Rebel X ReLoaded" sounds about right.

For the Japanese market, look for your "Let's Go Mushroom Kawaii!" at your nearest dealer.

Re:StreetScooter (2)

Werkhaus (549466) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956138)

The US market needs a deadly-sounding, weaponish name to play properly to the customers insecurities.

The Hammerhead Eagle i-Thrust?

Re:StreetScooter (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956368)

i-Thrust

Apple would go iMedieval on their ass.

PatriotScooter (1)

The Creator (4611) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956754)

How about calling it The de-financer of middle eastern dictatorships and creator of local jobs in the energy sector 9000?

Re:StreetScooter (2)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 2 years ago | (#37955738)

It just goes to show you what open source methodologies get you so often... a well engineered product for a fraction of the price of competitors that has no clue how to market it to the customer so no one will ever use it. Sigh. I know everyone hates marketing and sales but they do in fact serve a purpose...

Re:StreetScooter (1)

El Torico (732160) | more than 2 years ago | (#37955790)

I know everyone hates marketing and sales but they do in fact serve a purpose...

I agree. I ran a small business for a while and I noticed that people forget who you are and what you are selling in a few days at best. Sales and marketing are critical, but I think most people disparage them because of the stereotypes, which have a basis in reality, but are overblown.

Re:StreetScooter (1)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 2 years ago | (#37955886)

In fact stereotypes are what marketing relies on, because most of the time they are in fact true! ;)

Re:StreetScooter (2)

EdgeCreeper (1618161) | more than 2 years ago | (#37955982)

The name of the company was on the road, so to speak: StreetScooter (road roller)

I know it is an artifact of Google Translate, but I like the name 'Road Roller'.

Re:StreetScooter (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 2 years ago | (#37957952)

"StreetScooter", great name for a product... that isn't a scooter.

The German word for scooter (according to Google Translate) is "Roller", so I'd guess the project name is in Germlish or Engeutch or whatever. Maybe it's like the mock Swedish names IKEA gives things that make your wife say, "Oh, honey, this Dyra skithög [google.com] is just what we need to organize our string collection!"

not price-competitive (0)

societyofrobots (1396043) | more than 2 years ago | (#37955610)

I'm happy with my $3k gas scooter that does 70mpg in the city, 80 mile range, and up to 55mph. Oh, and it has no problems going uphill with a second rider =)

Oh, and it can be bought *today* without having to assemble it myself.

Re:not price-competitive (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37955628)

You have a point, except this thing seats 3 and is a car.

Re:not price-competitive (1)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 2 years ago | (#37958692)

Okay, so it can't go up a hill with 3 passengers either.

Re:not price-competitive (1)

Crudely_Indecent (739699) | more than 2 years ago | (#37955632)

I've spent some time browsing their site and I haven't found anything that indicates that it must be assembled. Just because it's "modular" doesn't mean it comes with a screwdriver and assembly guide.

I can buy a computer - fully assembled - which is still a modular system.

Re:not price-competitive (2)

epte (949662) | more than 2 years ago | (#37955638)

Are you aware that the vehicle in TFA is more like a smart car than a scooter? This isn't a moped or a vespa we're talking about. See the picture here: http://streetscooter.eu/unternehmen-a-strategie/welches-fahrzeug-haben-wir-entwickelt.html [streetscooter.eu]

Re:not price-competitive (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#37955902)

I would say that is a shitty marketing fail.

"A scooter is a motorcycle with step-through frame and a platform for the operator's feet."

Re:not price-competitive (2)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 2 years ago | (#37958706)

Yes, in English, thats entirely accurate.

Too bad they don't fucking speak English as a first language in Germany.

So while you call it shitty marketing fail, I call you stupid ignorant American making comments without bothering to be informed with the information right in front of your face. People like you are an embarrassment to our country, please keep your mouth shut in public.

Re:not price-competitive (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#37957072)

I'm happier with my $3000 gas full size touring motorcycle that does 55mpg city if I'm keeping my hand out of the throttle and can go up to 140mph oh and it has no problem carrying a second rider + another 60 pounds of things in it's saddle bags and trunk as well as being highly comfortable for a 500 mile long ride.

I bought used and got 90X more bike than I would have bough new with the same money. I can now ride the interstates very comfortably and my bike is faster than any car on the road so I dont have to worry about being smushed by some idiot in a SUV that cant see a scooter, he cant miss my 8 foot long 950 pound bike.

Next time you upgrade, look at a full motorcycle. If you dont want a full cruiser, used honda dauvilles or (nt700v) are around that price range as well, carry a lot more , get you up in the air more, and can do 100-120mph so you can ride the autobahn or keep up with traffic around atlanta, or other major cities, oh and they last forever without major repairs.

Never buy new, always buy used. and dont be afraid of a larger bike. Honestly, think about trading up, it really opens up options. I added a taller windscreen so now at 75mph on the highway I am out of the wind so much that at highway speed only my legs get wet during rain. Dont buy a sportbike, those things are useless for daily driving. Plus I can outdistance any sportbike. after 350 miles without a stop I feel fine, I have yet to meet a sportbike rider that can do 1500 miles in 2 days. Comfort and utility is far more important than speed, I can carry 2 up + all camping gear for a 3 week trip on my bike.

Open Source methodologies? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37955626)

well, it does look like ass.

Re:Open Source methodologies? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37956000)

hahahaha this was so unexpectedly funny

If it's open source.... (2)

epte (949662) | more than 2 years ago | (#37955674)

... then where can I download the plans?

If the source is not open, then is the methodology "open source"?

Re:If it's open source.... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37955714)

The methodology was open source in that every member of said community of developers were able to toss out ideas and do things instead of just "what do we need, we will do this and nothing else."

Each of the collaborators on the project was organized into a lead engineering group (LEG), made up of the foremost experts in each of the vehicle’s components, including the exterior, powertrain and electronics.

“Everyone is on par with each other. Everyone can bring in ideas to radically try whatever makes sense. The subject matter expert comes to the table and collaborates with the other LEGs,” said Kampker. “In case of a conflict that cannot be resolved, the issue is sent to the team of leaders in program management and it is resolved at that level.”

The method that participants took to build the StreetScooter echoes the car’s design. It’s a modular vehicle, with parts that can be added, removed and reused depending on customer preference. Even the batteries are leased separately so that fleets don’t have to deal with maintenance. Kampker says that relying on the strengths of individual manufacturers to create their own modules doesn’t just maximize customizability, but also allows the StreetScooter to be built quickly and inexpensively.

This car sounds like the wet dream of those folks that love to mix and match things to fit what they need. The word for it is on the tip of my tongue, but I'm not sure on it.

A wet dream for them, a potential nightmare for mechanics.

Re:If it's open source.... (0)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 2 years ago | (#37955756)

The methodology was open source in that every member of said community of developers were able to toss out ideas and do things instead of just "what do we need, we will do this and nothing else."

So in fact it's fuck all to do with open source, because open source refers to source code, which is stuff that you compile on a computer.

Re:If it's open source.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37955924)

Language changes. It seems they're saying "open source" is a method of development that relies on allowing developers to not be confined to simple goals, instead being allowed relative free reign in what they want to make.

But yes, it seems like they had a part of their group brainstorming what would get them awesome advertising time and decided to call their rather liberal form of development "open source" despite it being neither open (anyone got the blueprints?) or source (code).

Damn you living language and wordsmiths who make things sound double good.

Re:If it's open source.... (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956326)

The problem is that once mindless idiots start using phrases to mean pretty much anything, they end up meaning nothing.

"Language changes" isn't an excuse for talking colmych, so why don't you go and knerp your cogglebun?

Re:If it's open source.... (1)

Raenex (947668) | more than 2 years ago | (#37957764)

Language changes.

In this case, marketing assholes try to co-opt what's good about a term and apply it to what they are doing instead of coming up with their own term that is accurate. In this case, the word "collaborative" or one of it's derivatives was used 5 times in the article. So they just could have just called it a "collaborative design".

Re:If it's open source.... (1)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 2 years ago | (#37958730)

They aren't saying 'open source', slashdot is.

They just said 'Open', which slashdot fucks up EVERY SINGLE TIME it comes up. Slashdot thinks everything has to fit in one tiny definition that suits their whim, so that more or less means if the word 'open' or the word 'free' is used anywhere in the description, it must be GPL!

Re:If it's open source.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37955792)

You know what's on the tip of my tongue? Pussy juice.

Re:If it's open source.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37955820)

Stop eating kittens/

Re:If it's open source.... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#37957082)

Foremost experts are rarely experts.

The engineers of GM vehicles are outclassed HARD by garage tinkerers that love a vehicle. I know people that know more about the camaro than all the engineers at GM that designed it.

Pictures of the car (2)

thomas089 (759773) | more than 2 years ago | (#37955676)

Here are pictures of the car: http://www.streetscooter.eu/news-und-info/bildarchiv.html [streetscooter.eu]

Re:Pictures of the car (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37955734)

mini cooper - retro?

Re:Pictures of the car (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37956126)

Yay, another toaster... /sarcasm

Re:Pictures of the car (1)

citizenr (871508) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956150)

Here are pictures of the car: http://www.streetscooter.eu/news-und-info/bildarchiv.html [streetscooter.eu]

RENDERS not pictures. Thery didnt make anything but some renders.

Re:Pictures of the car (1)

dredwerker (757816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956298)

Here are pictures of the car: http://www.streetscooter.eu/news-und-info/bildarchiv.html [streetscooter.eu]

RENDERS not pictures. Thery didnt make anything but some renders.

Surely renders not photographs. Both renders and photos are pics. Although your point is very valid.

The PAIN boss! The PAIN! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37955762)

"Street Scooter" Consortium, please, translate your information to English again.
I'd recommend using someone else this time around doing the translation job.

There are words left out of your text. There are also sentence structure issues which make the site hard to read.

Good luck with the project though!

Re:The PAIN boss! The PAIN! (1)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | more than 2 years ago | (#37955796)

:facepalms:

Dude, it was autotranslated. That's why the title bar says Google Translate. And the link. And it has a header with settings for the translation.

Note to Nissan & Ford... (2)

FSWKU (551325) | more than 2 years ago | (#37955858)

This car has range and performance similar to the Leaf and the upcoming Focus, yet will cost less than 1/5 what either of those overpriced toys go for, and also looks better. What's your excuse?


(Sidenote, if I can get a tax credit of up to $7500 from Uncle Sam for purchasing an EV, does that mean I actually MAKE $500 to drive this thing? They'll probably cite the "up to" part and give me a whopping $20 for this, but I can dream, can't I?)

Re:Note to Nissan & Ford... (2, Insightful)

Spazmania (174582) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956134)

You're comparing vaporware to a real shipping product. What's YOUR excuse?

Re:Note to Nissan & Ford... (1)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956740)

How is this Flamebait? He's right, this vehicle exists only on paper so far, and honestly a $7,000 electric car with 80 mile range seems so unbelievable in 2011 that I'll believe it when I see it. Not everything on the internet is real

Re:Note to Nissan & Ford... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37956748)

You're comparing vaporware to a real shipping product. What's YOUR excuse?

Spot on. Integration of all the parts into a car that functions as expected in 2011 is a difficult job. While I wish this project good luck, I don't expect the final car to be very good.

For just one example: most cars in this commuter class have low interior noise and a reasonably comfortable ride. This requires tuning the vibration modes of the body/chassis, powertrain, suspension, brakes, etc to different resonant frequencies so that one part doesn't start shaking other parts. The major car companies do add quite a bit of value, even when most of the sub-assemblies of their cars are built by suppliers.

Re:Note to Nissan & Ford... (3, Informative)

evilviper (135110) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956632)

This car has range and performance similar to the Leaf and the upcoming Focus, yet will cost less than 1/5 what either of those overpriced toys go for, and also looks better. What's your excuse?

The Leaf seems to be reasonably priced. They're unable to meet demand as-is, and while they're turning a profit on the thing, it's not a cash cow by any means.

The $7,000 price-tag of this toy seems to really only be materials cost of drive-train+frame&interior. The batteries are meant to be "leased" rather than purchased, so they're probably damn expensive, and just being excluded from the price. The Leaf's battery costs about $18,000 alone (according to the WSJ), about half the cost of the whole vehicle. And that doesn't count actual production and R&D costs. I'm betting once more plants come online, and the supply of Leafs increases, you could lease one for pretty close to the same price as this toy. Plus the Leaf is a 4-door, with cargo room, and all the modern safety features, and certification by the NHTSA.

I wouldn't drive this tiny tin can of a death trap if they were giving it away... I'm not willing to risk driving on the California freeways without nice big crumple zones giving me a fighting chance... I'm sure it will have its use, but it certainly won't be competing with the Leaf for sales.

(Sidenote, if I can get a tax credit of up to $7500 from Uncle Sam for purchasing an EV, does that mean I actually MAKE $500 to drive this thing?

The US government isn't so idiotic as to hand out a fixed amount of cash for meeting some nebulous metric (ie. electric car). I don't know the specifics of the electric car tax credit, but I'm willing to bet it's a PERCENTAGE of the purchase price, which tops-out at 7500 (so they don't encourage purchasing an electric Hummer).

Re:Note to Nissan & Ford... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#37957100)

"The Leaf seems to be reasonably priced."

are you insane? Leaf is NOT reasonably priced for a entry level subcompact economy car class. I can buy a BMW 325 for it's price.

Leaf needs to be $14,900 THEN it's reasonable priced.

Re:Note to Nissan & Ford... (1)

evilviper (135110) | more than 2 years ago | (#37958094)

You've completely missed the context...

Re:Note to Nissan & Ford... (1)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 2 years ago | (#37958798)

Once you couple in energy costs (financial costs at current market rates, not any environmental BS) , the Leaf is a great deal. The same energy amount from the socket is considerably cheaper than from gasoline. Gasoline is just FAR more compact than any electrical storage system we currently have.

Re:Note to Nissan & Ford... (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 2 years ago | (#37958294)

This car has range and performance similar to the Leaf and the upcoming Focus, yet will cost less than 1/5 what either of those overpriced toys go for, and also looks better. What's your excuse?

The Leaf and the Focus exist in the real world, and have been tested and certified by the appropriate bodies as to safety, etc.... The Street Scooter is a pile of CAD drawings, Power Points, press releases, and imaginative artist's conceptions.
 
It's easy to be cheap and high performance when you're vaporware. Let's wait for hardware to hit the road when we can compare apples to apples before taking Nissan and Ford to task.
 
Also, the concept moves a substantial chunk of the cost (the batteries) 'off the books' by leasing them to the customer rather than selling them to the customer. While this creates an semi-illusory MSRP, it does however give a clearer picture of cost-to-own and cost-to-operate.

who fucking cares (0)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#37955872)

you can buy a nice used car for less with better range.

Re:who fucking cares (1)

hairyfish (1653411) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956218)

Fucking awesome logic. There's no point in making new things when you can buy second hand things for cheaper? Have I got that right?

Re:who fucking cares (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#37957126)

"you can buy a nice used car for less with better range."

I can buy a used BMW 750i for that price.
I can buy a 1962 Cessna single engine for that price.
In flint I can buy 2 houses for that price.
In Montana I can buy 150 acres for that price.
In mexico I can have 4 people killed for that price.
In California I can buy 2 loaves of bread and a gallon of milk for that price.

How About a Gasoline-Powered Version... (0)

littlewink (996298) | more than 2 years ago | (#37955974)

in the meantime. Maybe shave a couple thousand off the price too?

Some people do read German (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37956056)

It would be nice to include the untranslated link as well

Re:Some people do read German (1)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 2 years ago | (#37958816)

So you click on the translated link ... then the original link that shows up. Is it hard for you to click the link on the next page from Google translate?

"Mobility Services Provider" (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956128)

On their Website ( http://www.streetscooter.eu/ [streetscooter.eu] ) they mention "Mobilitätsdienstleistungen" (chew on THAT German word for breakfast!). They want to offer "car sharing" and "leasing" packages as well. Also, that the car is for short hops (SDV: Short Distance Vehicle), just like a Straßenroller (scooter), for the most common short trips. It was started by a couple of university professors, and grew into a consortium; some of the partners: http://www.streetscooter.eu/unternehmen-a-strategie/wer-sind-unsere-partner.html [streetscooter.eu] .

Have a look at the site, even if you don't speak German. The site is so full of English buzzwords, that you will be able to figure out what they are talking about.

Oh, and there is a cool Godzilla-esque picture of a giant kid stepping over Autobahn overpasses . . .

Re:"Mobility Services Provider" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37956622)

Have a look at the site, even if you don't speak German. The site is so full of English buzzwords, that you will be able to figure out what they are talking about.

Also, the "StreetScooter" link in the summary is a Google translation of the site =)

The Zeitgeist video is also in English, but be (spoiler) warned: large climax, just to see the same car.

Other open hardware cars (1)

Khalid (31037) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956448)

The Rallyfighter : http://www.rallyfighter.com/ [rallyfighter.com] has already been in production

Riversimple Urban Car : http://www.40fires.org/ [40fires.org] is an electric fuel cell based open hardware car

Re:Other open hardware cars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37956786)

The rally fighter isnt open hardware, it just another kit car.

Re:Other open hardware cars (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956800)

The rallyfighter is not open source and the riverside urban car doesn't exist and the website is not in full swing. So spot on, other than you're totally wrong.

Or just get an existing car and conversion kit ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37956586)

Or just get a 2CV and then the conversion kit for £4800
http://www.everything-ev.com/citroen-2cv-conversion-parts-kit-p-384.html

Summary - 2 seater electric car for short trips (2)

Cato (8296) | more than 2 years ago | (#37956722)

Since the links in TFA were quite unhelpful: it's a small 2-seater electric car that's intended for short trips only. The $7000 gets you the car and there's an unspecified fee to lease the battery.

Overview: http://green.autoblog.com/2011/10/31/crowd-sourced-streetscooter-electric-vehicle/ [autoblog.com]

Picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/think_on_tour/4194887078/in/photostream [flickr.com]

Re:Summary - 2 seater electric car for short trips (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#37957150)

Ebay and some bits of wire will get me the battery without leasing it. there is a buttload of dell laptop batteries out there for cheap. There was one company selling remanufacturered Prius packs as well out there for quite cheap.

not practical (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37956816)

If it cannot drive up Mt. Evans, with 2 sumo wrestlers, and the air conditioner full blast, then it is not practical.

Practical (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37956884)

If I worked from home, had my kids home schooled, and bought everything including groceries online, I would definitely get one.

Ebike (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37956944)

Big deal. I just built my ebike for $1k. It tops out at 40 mph and can go 30 miles on a charge.

Looks good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37957050)

At last an electric car that doesn't look like something Colani shat out. There have been some nice Kei-ecar design studies, but they never went into production. Hope this will.

Questionable functionality? (1)

lastx33 (2097770) | more than 2 years ago | (#37957192)

I see that they plan it to have a range of 40Km. That's less than 25 miles on a charge so not much use for those living in rural areas or in the commuter belt of a lot of cities.The car would only be really useful to those living within a small distance of their commute or main travel distance. Does this not just take them away from existing efficient public transport and increase congestion? Assuming they want personal transport for further distances they would also need a more conventional car.

Re:Questionable functionality? (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#37958016)

The average auto commute in the USA is 16 miles. Where I live I wouldn't use such a thing in January and February,would freeze butt off.

Not open source (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37957336)

There's no source.

vs the lowly 150cc, $1200 motorcycle... (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 2 years ago | (#37957406)

Seriously, in developing countries, BRIC countries in particular like Brazil, Russia, India, China - even Mexico on to our South - you can buy a motorcycle, which uses global commodities like steel and rubber, for $1200 delivered. It gets 80-100mpg and will do 60mph, can be repaired anywhere, by nearly anyone.
 
Don't get me wrong, electric technology is amazing, but when it comes to scooter/motorcycle technology, it's very difficult to make the argument for a $7000 scooter. 150cc motorcycle technology is about 100 years old and quite safe, simple, and for the most part -- green. Motorcycle engines are modular and easily repairable. I am repeating myself, but $7000 is approaching the price of a tiny sedan here in the states. Sure, there will be future versions that cost less, but perhaps we should be approaching electric passenger and commercial vehicles, not trying to reinvent the (two) wheel(ed vehicle).

I guess you didn't RTFA. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37957608)

It's a car, not a motorcycle.

Re:vs the lowly 150cc, $1200 motorcycle... (1)

ukemike (956477) | more than 2 years ago | (#37958280)

You should RTFA. The name may translate from the german into "street scooter", but the vehicle is a car. Oh, and here is a link to a site with a picture, which has not yet been /.ed http://www.evworld.com/news.cfm?rssid=26745 [evworld.com]

They've invented the golf cart (1)

BigSlowTarget (325940) | more than 2 years ago | (#37957534)

Seriously. Ok, it's a fast golf cart with less range. Why does everyone get excited every time someone figures out you can put a motor to some wheels for less than $50k?

Hire a decent designer (1)

gtada (191158) | more than 2 years ago | (#37957888)

80 companies involved yet they couldn't hire a decent designer? Looks like one of those Chinese ripoffs. The aesthetics definitely matter if they want this to be a car people want to purchase and drive. The interior looks like it was modeled in an old version of Solidworks.

Many people assume that this is a motorcycle. I hope they change the silly name.

More info: Battery Leasing not included in $7k est (1)

BlueF (550601) | more than 2 years ago | (#37958202)

http://www.rwth-aachen.de/go/id/bhsj/ [rwth-aachen.de]

$7k price "envisaged". Hmm.... is that translation or are they simply hoping and guessing rather than have an idea of the actual price... battery leasing not included??

"open source methodology" is not Free Hardware (1)

SD-Arcadia (1146999) | more than 2 years ago | (#37958646)

Sounds more like "shared source" design to me, a collaboration between 50 companies. Nothing seems to be open to the public.
Unlike for example the Global Village Construction Set. http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Global_Village_Construction_Set/ [opensourceecology.org]
"Open Source - we freely publish our 3d designs, schematics, instructional videos, budgets, and product manuals on our open source wiki and we harness open collaboration with technical contributors."

Looks neat but get it for the right reasons. (1)

blindseer (891256) | more than 2 years ago | (#37958680)

I like the idea of kit cars, sounds like a fun thing to do and as a way to potentially save money over buying a new car. The Streetscooter looks like a cute little car that can handle stop and go, tight spaces, and other obstacles one would find in a common city commute. This kit car is also a good way for someone to experiment in automotive technologies without having to reverse engineer an entire vehicle, or take on the much bigger task of designing a whole car of their own. There are vehicles out there that have a large market for aftermarket parts that people can build an entire vehicle from parts (the Jeep CJ comes to mind) but it looks like this Streetscooter is a more modern design that could appeal to more people.

What people should not be doing is getting one of these to reduce their "carbon footprint". Electric cars are coal fired cars. So long as a majority of our electricity comes from burning coal the electricity it runs on, and the energy used in the manufacture of the car's batteries, will create more carbon over the life of the car than if one just got a similarly sized gasoline or diesel fuel powered car. Real reductions in carbon footprint for vehicles involves nuclear power, natural gas, and perhaps some other technologies that have yet to mature.

This looks like a neat little car. If I had the space to put one together, and I thought I could get my 6'5" body inside, I'd consider getting one. I'd still keep my 4x4 truck for when the weather demands it, long drives, and when I need to haul more than groceries. Looks like something that would be easier to parallel park than my current vehicle, reduce the need to stop for fuel (just plug it in every night after work), and perhaps even save some money in the long run.

Not sure about tthe "open source" part. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37958700)

For an to be "open source" you need free access to the plans when you buy the item. If you don't then is a close source item.

So the question is, when you buy the vehicle, do you get the design plans? If yes, then is really open source, if not then is just an alliance of companies that made a cheap vehicle.

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