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Cringely's Lost Jobs Interview: Coming To a Theater Near You

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the no-1984-runners-allowed dept.

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A few weeks ago, Robert X. Cringely revealed that a long-lost, hour-long interview he conducted of Steve Jobs in 1995 had been found. Now, it seems the lost tape has found its calling: the movies. Says the linked Economic Times story: "The interview will be shown at Landmark theaters in 19 cities around the country beginning Nov 16."

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Boring. (2, Insightful)

Dondoet (2199592) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971174)

All this news about Steve Jobs is getting rather boring and repetitive.

Re:Boring. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971216)

Are you still saying that? Yawn.

Re:Boring. (1, Informative)

tsa (15680) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971218)

Yes, especially since there is no news about him anymore since he died. Even when he was alive we already knew he was a righteous asshole with a vision for shiny and user-friendly things who had great success in transforming the music- and mobile phone industry. I didn't buy the book because I thought the juicy details would be public in no time, and I was right. I don't need to see any documentary or read any book about SJ ever again. Everything is out in the open already.

Innovation in perspective (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971392)

I just wish there were stories that put his innovation into perspective: he didn't do anything other than latch onto others creations and sell it.

Steve Jobs was nothing more than a salesmen. A very good salesmen, but a salesmen never the less. True innovators usually go unnoticed because they're not good at self promotion and sales - usually.

If he were to have settled somewhere else other than Silicon Valley, he would probably have a successful used car dealership or would have been a mortgage broker that contributed to this past real estate meltdown. Or maybe a timeshare salesmen. You know he could have sold ski resort timeshares in the South West desert.

Re:Innovation in perspective (1)

mozumder (178398) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971480)

If he were to have settled somewhere else other than Silicon Valley, he would probably have a successful used car dealership

No. He would be an artist.

Steve Jobs isn't very good at selling - just consider the failure of the original Mac vs. PC.

He's much better at design and creation than sales. He did create the personal computer industry, after all.

Re:Innovation in perspective (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971506)

Jobs wasn't a designer. All of Apple's designs were done by others. He just chose the ones he liked.

The Mac didn't get market share because of several market factors: the Mac was relatively expensive, the Intel PC was cloned and subsequently the hardware became a commodity, it had more business applications, and eventually the price difference between the Mac and Wintel became so large that the Mac was priced out of most markets, and later on, Apple's management totally screwed up until Jobs took over again and was able to change the direction of Apple towards a consumer device company. He really took advantage of the cult of the Mac/Apple to sell things to individuals.

Re:Innovation in perspective (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971656)

I don't happen to own any Apple products myself, but even still I have to admit that in terms of brand presence Jobs was an absolutely brilliant marketer. So much so that people STILL attribute the creations of their design and engineering teams to him and him alone.

I despise marketing in the main but you gotta admit that the mere fact that people STILL credit him for all of apples success, since returning from his drug binges, is a sign of remarkable skill.

Re:Innovation in perspective (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972096)

Jobs wasn't a designer. All of Apple's designs were done by others. He just chose the ones he liked.

... and consistently succeeded in delivering products so successful everybody else is trying to copy them. You could tell he just sat in his office all day putting golf balls into a coffee cup.

Re:Innovation in perspective (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971688)

Jonathan Ive would like to have a word with you... Jobs didn't "design" a fucking thing.

Re:Innovation in perspective (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971762)

Steve Jobs isn't very good at selling - just consider the failure of the original Mac vs. PC.

The reason the PC won out over the Mac is because at the time when home computers were starting to go mainstream, the things the Mac were good at (design, high end layout, etc) were not the type of things people wanted in their homes. They wanted cheap spreadsheet and word processors so they could do their accounts and write up letters. The PC did those things better (or at least the perception was that the PC was for that boring functional stuff while the Mac was for shiny creative stuff) for something approaching half the cost. Twice I looked at both PC and Mac for my home purposes back in the 90's and both times came to the conclusion that the PC offered the best fit in terms of what it could do and what I wanted to pay. The very fact that I even looked at the Mac was because Jobs was such a good salesman, he just didn't have the right product to sell me. Besides, Jobs wasn't the designer - Jonathan Ive has been behind all of the most successful designs to come out of Apple, Jobs was just good at recognising which designs would resonate with the public. For that reason I think you're both partially right, he'd probably end up running something like a gallery, where he can put his sales skills to use but also use his eye for what the public want from a design.

Re:Innovation in perspective (2)

kiddygrinder (605598) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971942)

i'd almost say doom was the reason the home computer tended to be a pc imho.

Re:Innovation in perspective (2)

Swampash (1131503) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971774)

Steve Jobs isn't very good at selling - just consider the failure of the original Mac vs. PC.

Looked at PC sales figures lately? I think we can call that battle for Apple now.

Re:Innovation in perspective (1, Informative)

tsa (15680) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971662)

I don't entirely agree. Jobs hasn't invented much himself, true, but he was very good at combining other people's ideas and making something unique out of it.

Re:Innovation in perspective (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972180)

combining other peoples ideas, when they're already combined.

Re:Innovation in perspective (1)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971718)

I think that is sorta the point about why everyone is so fascinated in a sense. Steve was pretty much just a salesman, but he might well be the best one since Carnegie, who was a great deal more than just a salesman.

What is really driving everyone crazy is most people don't think qualities like, demanding, exacting, difficult to work with, are commonly associated with salesmen. He certainly had some qualities like intensity and passion that are but Steve did it different. I have no personal love for the man or Apple but I am still interested.

Re:Innovation in perspective (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972124)

Let's out your assertions into perspective. You claim he was nothing special and it was geography that made him lucky. History seems to have proven you wrong many times over. He was a great CEO who may not have invented stuff himself, which is generally NOT what CEOs do in case you weren't aware of it, but his presence at Apple seems to coincide with Apple doing well. That tired ignorant argument that he was just a salesman is just an escape from reality used by those who don't seem to have the vision of how much he really accomplished.

Re:Innovation in perspective (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972268)

I just wish there were stories that put his innovation into perspective: he didn't do anything other than latch onto others creations and sell it.

He did more than that. He looked at innovative work others had done, figured out which parts would be useful to people who were not well served by the initial work, and got people to implement a version of the work that would be what those people wanted.

        You can claim that this is easy, but it is incredibly rare to see anyone successfully do it. You can claim that it doesn't matter to you, but it clearly matters a lot to many people. You can claim that those people are wrong, and should only value the things you do, but if so you are being arrogant and controlling, and the world is right to ignore you.

Re:Boring. (1)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971748)

I have the book and not all the details have made it online. I'd buy it for the quieter, more intimate and subtle stuff.

Re:Boring. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971966)

I have the book and not all the details have made it online. I'd buy it for the quieter, more intimate and subtle stuff.

Uh, the PDF has been freely available for weeks, if you just look around a bit.

It sure made it online.

Re:Boring. (2)

gutnor (872759) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971320)

Milking the death. Everytime there is somebody famous (as in fox news famous, not lisp inventor famous) we need to get through the same repetitive shit. At least we won't have to suffer post death album.

Re:Boring. (3, Funny)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971336)

At least we won't have to suffer post death album.

Oh, you just wait.

Re:Boring. (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971406)

Why wait? Isn't this interview like the post death album of a non-artist?

Re:Boring. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971350)

It's probably a typo. "Cringely's Lost Job Interviews" - just as boring, but new!

Re:Boring. (4, Funny)

arielsom (1636959) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971420)

Noooo! I'm going to get in line 2 days ahead so I can be the first in the theater!

Re:Boring. (2, Interesting)

syousef (465911) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971438)

All this news about Steve Jobs is getting rather boring and repetitive.

I turned to the discovery channel today and they had a special on Steve Jobs. They credited him with making Pixar the great success it was even though he did non of the technical work. They credited him with single handedly forcing the music industry to adopt $1/song pricing. They stopped just short of crediting him with inventing the mp3 player. I'm surprised at that restraint - I thought they were going to credit him for inventing oxygen and water! Mikio Kaku, both the Mythbusters, and lots of other guests who may or may not have met jobs crediting him with genius, while all the people that did the actual innovation don't get a mention. It's sickening to anyone with a modicum of respect for the truth and credit where it's due.

Re:Boring. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971854)

And if you actually read the book or did the research he was single handedly responsible for adopting a $1/song pricing!

I disliked the guy but I still bought the biography and have found some respect for the man. He was more than a salesman, he was also an artist not just a real prick (he was that too though!)

Re:Boring. (1)

Cobalt Jacket (611660) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971910)

Why not? Lasseter (who DID the technical work) credited him with making Pixar what it was. Without Jobs, they'd still be doing contract work and/or shorts. In fact, Jobs was the one who said it was OK to produce shorts. More than likely, they would have been out of business.

Your memory is playing tricks on you. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972146)

You keep thinking you heard the word 'invent' when really it was 'innovate'.

Re:Boring. (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972234)

As for Pixar, he didn't draw or render a single frame. However as CEO he hired the best people and put them in charge, Catmull and Lassetter. At first it sold hardware before changing directions and becoming an animation company. During the first 10 years, it lost money but Steve Jobs kept it open with his own money. Steve was not involved with the daily operations of Pixar but he was in charge of larger focus like what the company ultimately became and the deals with Disney.

Re:Boring. (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971502)

Eh? But he sold loads of appliances! And that makes him really interesting.

Re:Boring. (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971606)

And all the news either portrait him as a saint or a villin. Like all people he was both.

Re:Boring. (3, Insightful)

mutube (981006) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971670)

I think you mean 'neither'.

Most people are just not that interesting.

Re:Boring. (1)

theolein (316044) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971944)

And unhealthily close to the obsession of a cult as well.

Re:Boring. (1, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972042)

All this news about Steve Jobs is getting rather boring and repetitive.

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Yeah, you guys are really bored with talking about Steve Jobs.

New idea (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971180)

Apple stores show it in solo booths with tissue dispensers

Re:New idea (4, Funny)

syousef (465911) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971450)

Apple stores show it in solo booths with tissue dispensers

The tissues have rounded corners and cost $2 each.

Re:New idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971600)

For whining or for wanking?

Re:New idea (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972030)

Yes.

Confusing (1)

zAPPzAPP (1207370) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971182)

At first I thought, that this Cringely guy was applying for a job at 1995, but lost.
Then the Job was named Steve, so maybe Steve Jobs was applying for a job with Cringely. Or the other way around. That would have been fun. But why would someone tape that?
In the end I guess it is just a plain old normal Interview... zzzZZzzz

Cringely making money of Jobs death? (0)

backslashdot (95548) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971184)

I hope the money is going to charity. This Cringely guy is of bad character, I never liked him ... I really hope the money is going to some charity.

Re:Cringely making money of Jobs death? (2)

me at werk (836328) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971206)

If you read the posts about it, apparently he wants money to put his kids through college. Maybe he missed the part about how Steve Jobs didn't finish college?

Re:Cringely making money of Jobs death? (1)

Asic Eng (193332) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972236)

Or maybe he thinks Jobs is an exception rather than the rule and would prefer his kids to finish college. Anyway, he is a journalist, he earns money selling interviews amongst other things. Regardless whether you like him or not: why should he give away his work for free?

Re:Cringely making money of Jobs death? (2, Insightful)

siddesu (698447) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971214)

What's wrong with making money off Jobs' death? Apple made a ton, and so did his biographer. Apple even timed the release of the iPhone to it to maximize exposure (and profits).

You came so close to being rational ... (1, Insightful)

drnb (2434720) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971284)

What's wrong with making money off Jobs' death? Apple made a ton, and so did his biographer. Apple even timed the release of the iPhone to it to maximize exposure (and profits).

Wow, you came so close to making a somewhat rational post ... then you had to toss it all away with the Apple timed the release of the iPhone thing.

Re:You came so close to being rational ... (1)

siddesu (698447) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971310)

Well, scratch it then, and say it was a magic, or a miracle. I don't care either way.

Re:You came so close to being rational ... (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971412)

I wouldn't put it past Jobs to let the iPhone release be delayed to coincide, if he knew his death was near.

Re:Cringely making money of Jobs death? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971290)

b.s.
I'd like to profit from your death. Will you give me 30 days notice? I doubt it.

Please (4, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971212)

Just let the guy rest in peace. Everyone needs to move on.

Re:Please (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971268)

"rest in peace"... Why do people keep saying that? Are the dead really disturbed when the living discuss them? Is this how the zombie apocalypse starts, when the deceased decide that they've had enough of being disturbed and rise up just to shut us all up?

iZombie apocalypse (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971296)

"rest in peace"... Why do people keep saying that? Are the dead really disturbed when the living discuss them? Is this how the zombie apocalypse starts, when the deceased decide that they've had enough of being disturbed and rise up just to shut us all up?

Sort of. When the number of [name redacted for soon to be obvious reasons] articles/posts exceed the number of iDevices in the world he will rise. So we can either (1) leave him alone or (2) buy more iDevices. Your choice.

Re:Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971558)

It's directed towards the deceased. As in, leaving the Rest of us in Peace.

Re:Please (1)

jimshatt (1002452) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971632)

Yeah, it *is* really silly. We all know that Steve Jobs will get rest nor peace in the Underground Freezer of Doom!
Ramen.

PLEASE (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971304)

Leave Brithey Spears alone!

A call to all Slashdotters (4, Interesting)

martas (1439879) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971564)

If you are as sick of Apple/Steve Jobs stories as I am, there is only one thing you can do -- vote with your clicks! Resist the temptation to click on the stories and post comments, even if your comment is going to be "I am sick of Apple/Steve Jobs stories." Yes, I know, I'm violating my own advice right now, but I though it was worth it to get this message out. From now on, I will in no way interact with any Slashdot story about Apple or Jobs, unless it is truly interesting.

uhhh (1)

mevets (322601) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971964)

How will you know if its truly interesting?

Re:uhhh (1)

martas (1439879) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971988)

I will guess based on summaries, and aim to err on the side of missing interesting stories rather than reading uninteresting ones; revolutionary approach, huh?

Cringely (0)

Trogre (513942) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971250)

Cringely... wasn't he that talking frog or something?

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Slashdot is rapidly going downhill (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971274)

All the idiots on here, slating a guy who recently passed away from cancer. He was an adopted child who grew up not knowing his parents. He was not well-off but managed through his teens. He started a company and was successful. He literally IS the American dream! He physically hurt no-one. He was not only responsible for Apple but Pixar too. You may hate Apple computers but if you cannot use one you probably won't get a job in graphics design or video related industries. That says a lot for Apple computers. Slashdot is mean't to be a tech-related news feed, but a lot of the comments on here are offensive, use foul language and are so ridiculously biased and childish that they sound like they are written by 15 year old idiots.

And the standard sarcastic responses aren't funny either. You aren't comedians guys. You aren't funny. Moderators need to clean up this website, it's losing it's credibility.

Re:Slashdot is rapidly going downhill (0)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971524)

Slashdot is mean't to be a tech-related news feed, but a lot of the comments on here are offensive, use foul language and are so ridiculously biased and childish that they sound like they are written by 15 year old idiots.

We knew that already without you providing an additional example. Thanks just the same.

Re:Slashdot is rapidly going downhill (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971650)

That's is exactly the kind of expected response on slashdot. Your smart remark is everything but smart.

Re:Slashdot is rapidly going downhill (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972214)

Here at Slashdot, we greatly value your opinion. Do come again.

Re:Slashdot is rapidly going downhill (1)

delinear (991444) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971800)

He physically hurt no-one.

Yeah, I heard Chinese sweatshops are actually fun [guardian.co.uk] to work in.

Re:Slashdot is rapidly going downhill (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971986)

Well don't watch any tv sports then, because with that logic, every athlete who gets sponsored by a sports wear company is aiding Nike, Addidas et al who are famous for their child labour and appalling treatment of staff. Jobs didn't run the factories in China. Nutjob communists do!

Re:Slashdot is rapidly going downhill (1)

m.ducharme (1082683) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972182)

Tell you what; how about you go around your home and throw out everything that was made in a sweatshop, Chinese or otherwise. Then come back and tell me what you have left.

Re:Slashdot is rapidly going downhill (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972216)

Name all the other companies using that factory... without looking it up.

While you're being silent in an attempt to appear too busy to reply to such a pointless post, pause for a moment to consider that the only reason you latched onto the plight of those overworked people was because it makes Apple look bad.

Restored VHS—for real?! (3, Insightful)

neoguri (632579) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971298)

Any cinema of repute would refuse to show material sourced from a VHS.

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Marketing (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971328)

The Apple marketing machine in action.

Turd Sandwich vs Giant Douche (2)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971346)

Now, why does that South Park episode suddenly spring to mind?

religion (2, Insightful)

Hazel Bergeron (2015538) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971396)

This is how a religion starts.

Re:religion (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971542)

This religion started long before the messiah's death.

Re:religion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971624)

Its called a cult before that.

Re:religion (2)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971814)

Hey, it's still an improvement over scientology.

Starts? (1)

mevets (322601) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972022)

There is already a book in the old testament about him; I think the religion started quite a bit ago.

It is an ok read, but doesn't mention Apple, macintosh or iPods explicitly. An earlier book in the series has a bit about apples and the 'tree of knowledge'.

I don't think it is meant to be taken literally. The whole bit about the righteous suffering is obviously a poke at windows users; and satan is obviously a stand-in for billg. I don't get who God represents - maybe Gerstner?

Overall, a +1, it certainly isn't as dreary as watching Cringely suck off a dead man.

So what ... (1)

slydder (549704) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971418)

... it's not like it matters now what happens with the 4S. At least not in Germany [slashdot.org]

Re:So what ... (2)

CheerfulMacFanboy (1900788) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971496)

... it's not like it matters now what happens with the 4S. At least not in Germany [slashdot.org]

Bunkum. Apple Germany can still sell phones in Germany - only Apple Inc. can't, but they never did.

Re:So what ... (1)

slydder (549704) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971572)

actually the more interesting part of the deal is that Apple has to pay Moto damages dating back to april 2003. http://www.scribd.com/doc/71622154/11-11-04-Default-Judgment-for-MMI-Against-Apple [scribd.com]

Re:So what ... (1)

CheerfulMacFanboy (1900788) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972046)

actually the more interesting part of the deal is that Apple has to pay Moto damages dating back to april 2003. http://www.scribd.com/doc/71622154/11-11-04-Default-Judgment-for-MMI-Against-Apple [scribd.com]

Not if the patents belong to the GSM standard, and instead Google gets slapped for patent abuse like Samsung is about to. http://www.google.de/search?q=samsung+eu+patent+abuse&hl=de&client=firefox-a&hs=nrP&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=nws&ei=zNa3Tr0HyYniBM6hpd8D&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=5&ved=0CBoQ_AUoBA&biw=1560&bih=1304 [google.de]

Re:So what ... (1)

Asic Eng (193332) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972020)

Apple Germany can still sell phones in Germany - only Apple Inc. can't, but they never did.

That's very dubious, but as the article points out: even if Apple's interpretation were to hold up, it should be trivial for Motorola to have the injunction extended to Apple Germany.

Re:So what ... (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972256)

Well if you actually read and understood the whole story, Motorola sued both Apple Inc, and it's German subsidiary, Apple Germany. Apple Inc never answered the suit as it does not actually sell products in Germany. Apple Germany does. Thus Apple Inc lost due to summary judgement. The case still goes on with Apple Germany and has not been settled.

sellkindlecheap. (-1, Offtopic)

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Promises, promises (4, Interesting)

Zubinix (572981) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971538)

Cringely reached his peak during the making of "Triumph of the Nerds" and the follow up series "Nerds 2.0.1". They were both some of the best historical documentaries ever done on the PC and Internet revolutions. Since then he has failed to deliver on subsequent projects.

Here's hoping there is one more great documentary series left in the old Cringe!

What a lucky man. (1)

Elbart (1233584) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971576)

He (or his colleague) _just_ found the tape two days after Jobs died.
What a coincidence! :)

A brick and mortar theater? (3, Funny)

paiute (550198) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971604)

If only we had a way to distribute audiovisual files to people. Oh well, maybe in the 21st century.

necrophilia (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971608)

You ever blow a dead man's dick?

...this is (0)

tryptogryphic (1985608) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971640)

kind of disgusting. It's almost like watching the world economically raping his dead corpse for everything that it can.

Re:...this is (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972018)

He economically raped the entire world for everything he could, so what goes around, comes around.

I wonder... (1)

gedeco (696368) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971734)

The interview has been missing for years. Nobody even cared about it.

Follow the money?

Erroneous extreme charismatic (-1, Flamebait)

lengfeng33 (2502268) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971812)

[4:1] the Holy Spirit say so in advance, in later times some will abandon the faith, that lure people to listen to the (evil) spirits, and demons of the truth.

[Timothy 4:3] because the time to go to, they will not endure sound doctrine. Itching ears, on their own desires followers, adding better master.

Extremely charismatic fundamental problem is not the teachings of the Holy Spirit to wash and dialects, the problem is that they pursue the wrong direction, for their own or for God? Strictly speaking, extremely charismatic than doctrinal issues, but spiritual issues, but because the pursuit of illusory motives and methods of the erroneous result of the intrusion of evil spirits and deception, and lack of ability to distinguish the sheep were false prophets false teachers to the illusory spirit inside.

In other words, extremely charismatic left cross and deny himself the glory of God back to God and live the way, turn to in order to achieve self-centered worship and practice, the results fall in the devil's deception and in recruiting.

In the spiritual pursuit, there are two very important, first, motivation, if our motivation is not correct, it may be deceived by the devil, God gave to the point (knot 14:3-4, Thessalonians 2:10 11, Kings 22:20-21).

The second way is to drill. If you do not follow the biblical revelation of the way to practice, but is according to the idea of ââself or pagan way (come from evil spirits) to practice, the result would be devastating, unless one is set to obey God spiritual law, but self-defeating. We need to build according to the instructions of our life style, must not be created or conceited reason of the introduction of some new ways (the 25:40,26:30, West 2:18-19,23). In the eyes of God, to worship God in their own way with the worship of other gods are equally detestable (Deuteronomy 4:2,12:2-4,28, Israel worships money and calves, a 32:4, Ye Lubo An sin, Kings 12:28,32).

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A meditation

Meditation can be said that the New Age movement (New Age movement), the core of the practice, but also the era of charismatic ideological system of the Church of the most fundamental intrusion is extremely charismatic of the most basic features, but also the most deadly practice.

Meditation and meditation is not the same: but the biblical God, then meditation center, meditation on the Holy Spirit's lead down to think try to figure out (Deuteronomy 11:18-20, 1:8); meditation is from the Hindu or Buddhist way arising out of the pagan, meditation but put aside his own reason and self-awareness, and achieve a state of ecstasy, but those further intersect with the spirit world. Yoga with a meditation practice which often, hypnosis is a kind of meditation, meditation is the ghost of a basic cross-channel.

When the Bible speaking to the "cautious", "alert", and "police test" these state and command, are no doubt required the active participation of our reason, if we abandon rational judgments on the merits and demerits, We would have no caution, alert at all, let alone a police inspection. Key to access the depths of our souls but our own reason, we have reason to make their own choices, that is, to accept the truth and the Spirit of God, truth and evil spirits refuse absurd. Rational means to give up his soul to judge the doors open to the spirit world, which will lead to the intrusion of evil spirits (or God, we need to invite him into surrender to His will, and evil spirits will be unsolicited or that evil spirits will attack first, this gentleman is God and the devil shallow).

In the pursuit of the response on the body to make some of the words or repeat words read out: the dangers posed by this approach is the result of years of experience only to find out. Xie Gui's work no doubt has its laws, as all the universe has its own inherent laws of general. Evil spirits in the control of a human body part, you must make the part out of the will of their own management, which seems to be one of the laws of evil spirits. For example: a repeated read out a word, to make the tongue away from the person's ability to control the will, to make it into the evil spirits of the jurisdiction under the new system, like a car in gear the engine is being affected by the dominant power as gasoline engines.
Therefore, the repetition of words read out, if the lost people in the discourse on the added ability to carefully control the will, it is easy to become uncivilized region, like those wizards mantra, the results of the same evil spirit can enter the human activities within . Therefore, all the feeling of detachment on the body, if it is caused by evil spirits because those activities subject to the law, can not run as a result of the Holy Spirit.

The mind is completely blank down: This is the case with overlapping words read out the same results. If the person entered the mind or reason to stop all activities of the situation, and that transcendent power can control the person. Man and beast is that man has a soul do not have perception. If, leaving the soul and mind into a blank savvy stalled (due to mind is the spiritual

The media), out of personal will and perception on the control, and falls under the influence of evil spirits (Bin Luyi wife's words).
A person without religious belief (or a secular person), his reason was closed to the spirit world, so basically the evil spirits can not fully enter into his inside, although the evil spirits can be run in his heart (Eph. 2:2), which is a spiritual law (God's protection and mercy of a man), the secular people rarely intersect with the spirit world. Some people because of special reasons to be demon-possessed, so access to the very obvious the spirit world, but in fact, very few such people; there are people who actively seek contact with the spirit world and spirit world, such as by witchcraft, Qigong , psychic, etc.; also because to accept the lies of Satan (including knowledge and practice two levels), leading to the intrusion of evil spirits, such as Eastern Lightning, etc. heresy; it was also because the evil spirits in contact with a medium, the rationally identity or open, not being evil spirits invade, such as erroneous by the spirit of the people with hands.

Therefore, all Christians should be decisively rejected the practice and meditation, the mind alert to the police with experience, do not easily accept new methods of practice, do not be easily by hand.



Two self-centered pursuit of experience (the pursuit of entertainment type)

God is the true and living God, when we intersect with Him, will certainly be feeling (eg, joy, peace, etc.) or experience (eg miracles) out. But if we do not seek to use to worship Him in spirit and truth, but to find a certain kind of feeling (or experience) for the purpose of the center, we can be evil spirits to deceive. Most of the honor of God, He will not be controlled or agreed to be a tool for entertainment people, if people bent on self-experience as the center to seek God, God will allow people to be evil spirits to deceive (knot 14:4, Thessalonians 2:9-11), God allowed even by false prophets or miracles happen to achievement test whether we love Him wholeheartedly (Deuteronomy 13:2-3).

[13:2-3] apply to you, we do not always go followers you do not know God, and serve it right. He fulfilled despite obvious signs and wonders, you can not Listen to the prophet or that dreamer of the people say. Because it is the Lord your God tests you, to know that you are conscientious do not love the Lord your God.

[14:4] knot so you have to tell them, Thus says the Lord, the people of Israel, who received the false gods of his heart, the incrimination of a stumbling block on the front, but on the prophet, and I Lord of the things he asked for, will according to his false gods to answer his many (or as many will worship the false god by his sin what he has done),

Thessalonians 2:9-11] [the lawless one coming is Satan's movement, all sorts of different lines and signs and wonders all false, and that the sinking of the person, all sorts of lines in unjust deceit. Because they do not receive the love of the truth, so that they might be saved. Therefore, God gave them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

In other words, self-centered to seek such a result is likely to occur: God is not present, but the presence of the devil (who name the name of God does not always mean the presence of God, such as the Israelites carried the Ark of the Covenant and the non-profit scholars of war, sprinkle 4:3-4), the devil to deceive people into thinking that God is also the same in (I Kings 22:11, Jeremiah 28:2-3).

Now part of the false prophets in the promotion of false apostles how to enter the three-day, how to meet with the angels, which are very incompatible with the Bible and the pursuit of self-experience-centric, results in trapped in the snares of the devil (West 2:18).

[2:18-19] non-Western people because of deliberate humility, and worship of angels, to take away your reward. This and others are seen in formality, (with scrolls and others for this Kuicha are not seen) with their hearts desire, no reason to arrogant, not holding the Head, since relying on his body, muscle sections to help solve the problem contact, to grow large enough for God.

Some people pursue some meaningless "miracle" (in fact not true miracles, but strange phenomenon), such as "gold dust" and "olive flavor," these strange things that satisfy people's curiosity but nothing more, just like magic or a horse show, like, we can not honor the holy name of God does not give the true believer's life to bring created. Jesus would not mind people such miracles (Matthew 12:38-39), and the devil would be very willing, as long as he can lie with him to hell.

False signs and wonders is not difficult to place (medical treatment can also be evil spirits, the shaman is because in Africa for medical treatment and can have a special status), because the devil does not require people live a holy life, it gives the practice of self-denial the ability of miracles, on the contrary, the devil is the purpose of miracles is not been to the holy dignitaries life of self-denial.

The spirit world, there are a number of spiritual laws, according to these laws as long as it can lead to "miracles" or supernatural things have, in fact, behind these miracles are in the spirit world. The so-called "miracles" or supernatural things but the forces of the spirit world into the natural world and beyond the laws of nature, because natural law is the law of the lower, it can be exceeded, but the higher spiritual law is the law, it is definitely not will be exceeded. Many of the sorcerers, who observed the use of magic are ordained of God to the operation of spiritual law. For example, Shen 18:10 in the "by magic" of the original meaning is: signs observed in the learning experience, careful observation.

Today, the devil's in the world desperately implementation of the new century thinking, through Hollywood movies, through yoga, but also by the extreme charismatic false prophets false teachers, and other pagan witchcraft and so on. Because the devil is very clear, as long as he gives these spiritual laws of religion, people and the spirit world intersect, people thought he was very capable, humble people will not go to seek the only true God, not looking at the unique Saviour Jesus, so he can take them to hell (we must recognize the devil's trick, he made the fundamental goal is to deceive all the people not to God as the center, the ultimate goal is to lead people to hell).

Therefore, Christians must not simply think that any miracles or supernatural happens is from God (that is, the occurrence of these miracles in the name of the church under the name of Jesus Christ), we need to police inspection, the Bible clearly warned us that the devil will be turned into an angel of light (II Corinthians 11:14), false prophets false teachers will be large-large signs and wonders, can do it even if voters have been confused (too 24:24).

Great unique honor and glory of God is willing to miracles and wonders to prove Christ's Road (to 16:20 to 2:4), but he need to find the holy vessels, to find those willing to die with Christ on the shape, resurrection of Christ may be able to demonstrate the ability of the vessels in their body (Romans 6:5, Corinthians 12:9, Philippians 3:10). We must remember that God is always to manifest themselves, demonstrate His power and glory.

Re:Erroneous extreme charismatic (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37971898)

that was a lot of text just for SPAM

Re:Erroneous extreme charismatic (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972052)

Darn! Another cult!

Cult (1)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | more than 2 years ago | (#37971954)

And so it begins: The Cult of Jobs

Re:Cult (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972110)

And so it begins: The Cult of Jobs

Begins? Snort. It's been going on for years, in case you hadn't noticed.

To be blunt, only a complete fanboy would bother paying to see this kind of thing. So I fully expect it to sell like hotcakes at the Apple store.

But really it just reinforces what I've said for the past decade: Jobs was not an "innovator" or any of that other bullshit; he was a Celebrity. And just as hoards of hormonal teenagers rush out to buy whatever type of semen Britney Spears smeared in her hair, or pick up the same kind of Cocaine Lindsey Lohan was snorting, or buy a sixpack of the same brand of vibrators that "Lady" Gaga uses, the hoards of adoring Apple fanboys have faithfully rushed out to purchase whatever latest gee-whiz cockfest Jobs was waving around.

It was a great plan, it worked wonders for him and the company. But I can't help but wonder what will happen next. Will we see the sudden demise of Apple products? Or, much like Elvis before him, will millions refuse to accept his death as reality and continue to dig deep to spend cash on flashy, hipster gadgets?

Only time will tell. We'll miss you Steve, Trolling was never so easy and so fun as when you were around.
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Not a hater but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972024)

It might make me Cringe, lyve it alone please...

Lost?? Really?? (1)

ultral0rd (1595449) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972060)

So, are we all just meant to believe that this guy lost it back in 1995 and took almost 16 years to find it? (Amazingly just after Job's death?) Not only that, but is also ready for commercial use? (I doubt they are going to play the RAW interview..)

Shares refusal? (1)

yokerbloke (2502430) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972082)

Is this the same Cringely guy who turned down the shares at the beginning of Apple starting up? No wonder he's milking this for all it's worth.
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