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Apple Faces Temporary iPhone, iPad Ban In Germany

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the das-ist-verboten dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "A regional court has temporarily banned Apple from marketing or supplying iPhones and iPads in Germany, following a suit brought about by Motorola. However, Apple said that the judgement 'does not affect our ability to do business or sell products in Germany at this time.' This may have something to do with the respondent in the case being Apple Inc, the US parent company, and not Apple GmbH, the company's local subsidiary."

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And this is a bad thing? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972346)

Seriously, the fewer of these iProducts we have out there, the more intelligent as a society we will be.

Re:And this is a bad thing? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972364)

Indeed. We should totally let you make purchasing decisions for other people. They just don't know any better!

Re:And this is a bad thing? (3, Insightful)

andreicristianpetcu (1964402) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972462)

Screw patents. I wish Apple would shake hands with Google and give up patents. They are silly and waste time that can go in development and in designing better products. Samsung [slashdot.org] is dodging patents like in the matrix! This is not productive.

Samsung should dodge scam patents (3, Interesting)

walterbyrd (182728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972866)

Seriously? You are criticizing Samsung for "dodging" scam patents like rounded corners? Why not criticize Apple for filing lawsuits based on scam patents? The JooJoo/Crunchpad had rounded corners before the iPad. Apple is just a patent parasite. We all know it.

Re:Samsung should dodge scam patents (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37973264)

The iPad was unveiled BEFORE the JooJoo pile of sh*t.

AND : Contrary to popular believe and to the dismay of Applehaterfanatics like yourself : Apple has NOT patented round corners. Just by repeating it over and over again, doesn't make it real. The design patent is much more detailed than you would ever admit, otherwise your fury hate would run out of steam.

Apple is suing Samdung neither due to round corners, nor 'cause it runs Android (and therefore becomes magically more powerful in the eyes of Fandroids).
The parasite is Shamfung, not Apple. Ask yourself : why did Samthong redesign the Galaxy Tab immediately after iPad 2 was unveiled? Why could their OWN lawyer not identify the Galaxy Tab when a judge asked which on his clients KIRF tablet was? The Galaxy Tab IS a KIRF, no matter how you spin it. The USB power adaptor, the dock connector, the packaging and the device itself. Everything SCREAMS KIRF. Stop defending Samfuck. THEY are scaming (clueless) people into believing a Galaxy Tab is an iPad. All other tablet makers are able to come up with something originally. (Yes, you and me know which one is the real deal, but that is totally irrelevant)

Re:Samsung should dodge scam patents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37973418)

The iPad was unveiled BEFORE the JooJoo pile of sh*t.

No, it wasn't. The JooJoo was available for sale before the iPad was unveiled. Thank you for saving me the trouble of reading the rest of your worthless, misinformed post.

Sauce for the goose (0)

DickBreath (207180) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972944)

is also sauce for the gander.

> Indeed. We should totally let you make purchasing decisions for other people.

Apple seems to think it is okay to ban competitors products from sale in some countries. Why should Apple products be able to be banned? Apple's argument was that if people could buy Android tablets then there was a danger that they would become "Android people". OMG it's the march of the undead Android People! Quick, duck and cover!

So why is this any less dangerous that the iProducts turning people into iPhanboys?



Steve Wozniac said Steve Jobs had given mankind tools unlike any the world had ever seen. Someone replied: yes and they're called Apple fanboys.

Re:Sauce for the goose (1)

DickBreath (207180) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972950)

Oops, sorry clicked the wrong reply to link.

Re:And this is a bad thing? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972370)

Oh, please. It's one thing to view this as just desserts after the shit Apple's pulled trying to get competitor's products banned, but "we'll all be more intelligent without Apple products around..."? Really?

Yes. Really. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37973120)

Because there's a shitload of twofaced when it comes to Apple products. The fanbois brains turn off in the presence of the Next Apple Thing (or is that iThing?). Therefore without the next Apple thing, they will have operating brains for more time.

Increasing the average intelligence of the world.

Re:And this is a bad thing? (2)

broginator (1955750) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972480)

Please, like we were all geniuses before they came along.

Re:And this is a bad thing? (0, Offtopic)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972534)

Seriously, the fewer of these iProducts we have out there, the more intelligent as a society we will be.

Is this how the Righteous Android Lovers attract new recruits? "Use our preferred product and you'll be smarter!"

Re:And this is a bad thing? (1)

gomiam (587421) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972550)

Hey, it was Apple who came up with the "Think different" slogan. Why shouldn't Androidites use "Think smart" as their own? ;)

Re:And this is a bad thing? (1)

znerk (1162519) | more than 2 years ago | (#37973208)

Hey, it was Apple who came up with the "Think different" slogan. Why shouldn't Androidites use "Think smart" as their own? ;)

How about "think more"?

Re:And this is a bad thing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972952)

yes, lets stay in the dark, live in caves, hunt for food. Utopia.

Google's proxy wars (-1, Troll)

nepka (2501324) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972354)

So much for Google's do no evil. At the same time while they're talking how patents are bad, they use their proxy companies to attack competitors. They get what they want and Google keeps it white clean image.

Re:Google's proxy wars (2)

Berfert (831562) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972398)

Apple is happily having other companies banned from releasing their smartphones in various companies using patents. One can hardly expect the Android base to not respond in kind.

Re:Google's proxy wars (-1, Troll)

nepka (2501324) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972428)

Ah, the "but mooom, he started it!". I get it.

Re:Google's proxy wars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972466)

Stop trolling, you disgusting waste of space.

Re:Google's proxy wars (1)

JavaBear (9872) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972478)

When someone kicks you in the balls, you'd like be able to prevent an encore...right?

Re:Google's proxy wars (1)

JavaTHut (9877) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972516)

Ah, the "but mooom, he started it!". I get it.

"Yes Johnny, but you're supposed to come tell us immediately, not hit him"

"Yes Google, but you're supposed to explore all the wonderful alternatives we have to a defunct patent system. Not write legal briefs and submit them to a judge"?

Re:Google's proxy wars (1)

DickBreath (207180) | more than 2 years ago | (#37973032)

> Ah, the "but mooom, he started it!". I get it.


But there is no "but mooom". Apple has subverted the patent system and is using the courts. There is no authority to appeal to except for the "mom". So companies sued by Apple (not Google) are using the same system to fight back with in kind.

Your post might make sense if there were a higher authority to appeal to that could reign in the patent system and court abuse going on at Apple's instigation in various countries.

It's kind of like saying that if a small country attacked the US, and the US fought back that the US is just saying "but moooom, he started it!".

Re:Google's proxy wars (0)

nepka (2501324) | more than 2 years ago | (#37973372)

I just like to point out that this is exactly why Microsoft has gone to courts regarding patents too. Others have sued them first and MS has used their defenses. But on Slashdot that always gets turned around as MS suing first and "threatening" Linux, especially with the FAT filesystem thing (which war other company first started)

Re:Google's proxy wars (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972560)

Apple is happily having other companies banned from releasing their smartphones in various companies using patents. One can hardly expect the Android base to not respond in kind.

This is the problem with standing behind strong principles to fight in a flame-war. Sooner or later you perjure yourself.

Re:Google's proxy wars (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972416)

Citation needed...

Re:Google's proxy wars (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972426)

These days patents are a means of stifling competition and locking out competitors. Companies have "war chests" of patents, and most everybody in the business infringes on one or another... Apple fired the first salvos in this particular war. We'll see what the landscape is when the dust settles, many years from now...

Re:Google's proxy wars (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972710)

Nothing like a little patent MAD to spice up our lives.

Or to be more precise, make our lives a hell of a lot more expensive, because we the customers are the ones who end up footing the bill in the end.

Re:Google's proxy wars (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 2 years ago | (#37973304)

These days patents are exactly what they always have been - a great incentive to innovate. Our vibrant and expanding marketplace is definitive proof of this.

I know it's popular to believe that if only we made massive, unproven changes to a working system it would somehow magically become better, but I've not seen one lick of proof that this is true, just frothy rage from people crying "freedom!"

Re:Google's proxy wars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972432)

And at the same time we say violence is bad, we still fight back when attacked. Pacifism may be very admirable in some ways but practically speaking most of us will do what we must to defend ourselves. Otherwise the bully always wins.

Re:Google's proxy wars (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972436)

And apple users are gay

Re:Google's proxy wars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972830)

Maybe I am gay and not an apple user?

Re:Google's proxy wars (3, Insightful)

JavaBear (9872) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972468)

Google may call for patent reform, but till then they have no choice but to play the game along with the others, whether they like it or not.
They have to be able to do business, and when Apple is getting increasingly aggressive now that their iStuff business is threatened by other corporations using the same technologies as those implemented (but rarely invented) by Apple.

I'm seeing a strong correlation between SCO and Apple these days, and I do hope for Apple that they know when to call it quits.

Re:Google's proxy wars (1)

jbolden (176878) | more than 2 years ago | (#37973464)

SCO lawsuit was much more questionably than Apple's and they were suing someone completely uninvolved. If Apple were suing General Motors for using engine technology that Apple really owned in Android that would be comparable to SCO.

Re:Google's proxy wars (1)

niftydude (1745144) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972554)

Dude, turnabout is fair play.

Google didn't want this, motorola didn't want this, samsung certainly didn't want this.

It was Apple that went to the courts and tried to sue android oems. Now they have to reap what they've sown.

So please don't call google evil just because it is beating Apple at Apple's own game. (there are plenty of other more valid reasons to call google evil...)

Re:Google's proxy wars (1)

EdgeCreeper (1618161) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972582)

What, you expect Google to just sit there and take it!? [angryflower.com]

Re:Google's proxy wars (4, Insightful)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972618)

Google is not the villain... nor the victim. Neither is Apple, or any other of the combatants in the Patent Wars. Unfortunately, patent law doesn't allow someone to stay out of it... which is one of the ways in which it has become Evil.

Re:Google's proxy wars (5, Insightful)

walterbyrd (182728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972778)

Google certainly is the victim. Google has had their products banned because of Apple's aggressive patent scamming.

You cannot blame Google for trying to defend itself against a patent extortionist like Apple.

These scam lawsuits are 100% Apple’s fault. Google, HTC, Motorola, never wanted this.

Re:Google's proxy wars (1)

Dupple (1016592) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972826)

Google is not the villain... nor the victim. Neither is Apple, or any other of the combatants in the Patent Wars. Unfortunately, patent law doesn't allow someone to stay out of it... which is one of the ways in which it has become Evil.

Probably the most sensible comment I've heard on this whole messy business. Until there is patent reform - if it ever happens, then people are going to try and protect the patents they hold, especially if they feel it is harmful to their business, whatever that business may be. It doesn't just happen in tech.

Google is just defending itself (1)

walterbyrd (182728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972726)

Since when is it “evil’ to defend yourself against scummy patent parasite, like Apple.

These lawsuits are absolutely 100% Apple’s fault.

These lawsuits would have never happened were it not for Apple’s aggressive IP scamming. Apple is worse than Microsoft in this regard.

Re:Google's proxy wars (2)

DickBreath (207180) | more than 2 years ago | (#37973000)

> So much for Google's do no evil. At the same time while
> they're talking how patents are bad,
> they use their proxy companies to attack competitors.


Google is not a party to any of these lawsuits.

Apple sued various companies (Samsung, Motorola, HTC, etc). Since the choice of lawsuits (and venue!) is Apple's alone, and Google is not involved as either plaintiff or defendant, how is Google to blame?

Furthermore, these are all publicly traded companies, which are duty bound to act in the interest of their own shareholders and not Google. Acting in anything but their own shareholders best interest is the quickest way to draw a shareholder lawsuit. So how exactly are these publicly traded companies a proxy of Google? I would love to hear the explanation. It would be as convoluted as saying Apple is a Microsoft proxy. Or something.

Re:Google's proxy wars (1)

Xest (935314) | more than 2 years ago | (#37973096)

Google bought Motorola, so yes, they are party to it.

But otherwise I agree with you.

Re:Google's proxy wars (2)

Calos (2281322) | more than 2 years ago | (#37973324)

Google hasn't bought Motorola. Merely states its intentions to do so, and filed some of the paperwork. Whether or not Google will acquire Motorola is still to be decided by regulatory bodies worldwide.

Re:Google's proxy wars (1)

rwven (663186) | more than 2 years ago | (#37973222)

Google doesn't own Motorola Mobility yet...

Even so, this is very much a defensive move. Ever heard of a defensive force NOT shooting back? Apple opened a can of worms, and now they are paying the price. They should have left well enough alone.

Re:Google's proxy wars (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#37973314)

Since when is defending yourself against an aggressor set on your doom "evil"?

The way things are, there is no "better way" and certainly no "high road" available for Google to take. Apple will NOT STOP and come back to the table until they are faced with the same crap they are issuing to everyone else. And let's be clear on this -- they are not only defending themselves, they are defending everyone else who is faced with the same problem.

When the fight is for "freedom" we are all beneficiaries. That's definitely "not evil."

Nothing to see here (0)

KuRa_Scvls (932317) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972358)

Nothing to see here, move along.

The story is false... (-1, Troll)

dev345 (2502454) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972366)

This is not a court decision. Its only an initial decision that this subject is allowed to be discussed in court.
Read more here [evenweb.com]

Re:The story is false... (1)

znerk (1162519) | more than 2 years ago | (#37973266)

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iCall it the... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972386)

iBan

There's some saying... (1)

JanneM (7445) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972394)

There's some saying. It was something about reaping and sowing I think. Or was it some bed you sleep in after making it?

Re:There's some saying... (1, Insightful)

ZackSchil (560462) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972602)

Yes, Apple really made their bed by getting sued by Motorola in October 2010.

Re:There's some saying... (3, Interesting)

DickBreath (207180) | more than 2 years ago | (#37973056)

Yes, after Apple sued in March 2010.

The story is false.. (-1, Troll)

dev355 (2502462) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972422)

This is not a court decision. Its only an initial decision that this subject is allowed to be discussed in court. Read morehere [evenweb.com]

Re:The story is false.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972474)

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Thanks for making me smile at work.

Re:The story is false.. (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972776)

How dare you link an apple fanboi site

Why is parent post scored as "troll" ? (1)

walterbyrd (182728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972802)

Apple shills at at work here?

The story is false (-1, Troll)

dev356 (2502464) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972446)

This is not a court decision. Its only an initial decision that this subject is allowed to be discussed in court.
Read more here [evenweb.com]

Re:The story is false (1)

znerk (1162519) | more than 2 years ago | (#37973282)

Yet more goatse. Woo. Hoo.

FVIRST (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972448)

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The litigation morass (5, Insightful)

Rambo Tribble (1273454) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972458)

Apple is faced with the prospect of "live by the sword, die by the sword".

Re:The litigation morass (1)

DickBreath (207180) | more than 2 years ago | (#37973080)

Live by the patent, die by the patent.

Misleading title (-1, Troll)

dev357 (2502466) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972472)

This is not a court decision. Its only an initial decision that this subject is allowed to be discussed in court.
Read more here [evenweb.com]

Why is this scored as a troll? (1)

walterbyrd (182728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972814)

Apple shills at work?

Re:Why is this scored as a troll? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37973384)

Click the link, bro.

Misleading title (-1)

dev358 (2502470) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972494)

This is not a court decision. Its only an initial decision that this subject is allowed to be discussed in court.
Read more here [evenweb.com]

Re:Misleading title (1)

znerk (1162519) | more than 2 years ago | (#37973340)

Goatse. You have been warned.

It was a summary judgment (5, Informative)

Anubis IV (1279820) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972506)

Apple didn't bother to show up, so they had a summary judgment made against them. They'll likely appeal and argue over the merits of the patents in question during the appeal. In the meantime, it's doubtful that any injunction will actually get enforced.

Re:It was a summary judgment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972588)

So where do they get thinking they didnt have to show up?

Because they are Apple?

They dont have to go to these things because they think they are hot stuff?

That would be pure arrogance at best, or irresponsibility on the part of their legal team at worst.

Re:It was a summary judgment (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972738)

Their legal team (who unlike the AC here actually have some experience dealing with litigation of this kind) apparently made a tactical judgment not to participate in that hearing. Nothing special about Apple, and certainly not irresponsible. Just part of the game.

'sfunny. US summary judgement (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972608)

'sfunny. US summary judgement against a UK company in the USA is held up as the fault of the UK company, not the US court system being fubar. And that UK company execs are in danger of being slammed in Jail if they pass through or over US airspace.

Yet here it's not a problem because it's Apple.

Maybe it's because Apple Gmbh doesn't use the same hardware that is under the Motorola suit? It would be news if this were so...

Re:It was a summary judgment -- not an injunction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972718)

Engadget ran this story with what I presume is the same misinformation in it last week. I haven't been able to reach ZD Net UK. They might be slashdotted.

It isn't an injunction, legal term Verfuegung, it is a default judgment of infringement. They will now appeal it.

Nothing to see here. (And the server in the UK seems to have fallen down on the job as well.)

Re:It was a summary judgment -- not an injunction (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37973038)

Engadget ran this story with what I presume is the same misinformation in it last week. I haven't been able to reach ZD Net UK. They might be slashdotted.

It isn't an injunction, legal term Verfuegung, it is a default judgment of infringement. They will now appeal it.

Nothing to see here. (And the server in the UK seems to have fallen down on the job as well.)

There is a lot to see here. Because of the default judgment, Motorola can move to have the infringing products banned from sale immediately despite a certain appeal by Apple. This is how it works in Germany. In the United States, the infringing products can still be sold while the appeal is ongoing.

Much of the reporting I have seen stems from a Florian Mueller posting on his blog. Florian received the judgment from someone and nobody knew if it was fake of not. Florian's post was complete speculation on why Apple never showed up to the hearing. Since that original post, a number of German lawyers have contacted him with more information and now Florian has a number of additional posts up confirming that this is indeed a BIG DEAL for Apple.

Now, this exposes a big problem. I don't know where Florian lives. But he seems to not live anywhere near where patents are being fought. He writes as a bystander. I have never seen him write "I was in court today and watched the hearing in the case of XYZ against 123". There were a lot of people in the Mannheim Regional Court on Friday. Everybody there saw what happened. Motorola filed two suits against Apple. There were two hearings scheduled in the Mannheim court - about an hour apart. Apple's lawyers arrived half an hour before the 2nd hearing and looked very confused when they saw two hearings on the docketing board. Motorola's lawyers were already there and Apple's lawyers approached and said that there must be some mistake - there are two cases listed today. Motorola's lawyers said no, there was no mistake. You lost the first case. We got a default judgment because you didn't show up.

Re:It was a summary judgment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972732)

Gee, where does that sound familiar, Anubis?

Maybe the samsung case?

Re:It was a summary judgment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972748)

Yeah, aren't Apple like all on vacation so they can finally relax a little after Jobs' reign of terror?

Re:It was a summary judgment (3, Informative)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#37973060)

They didn't show up because Apple, Inc. does not sell products in Germany. Apple Germany is the subsidiary of Apple that sells them. It's a victory for Motorola but a meaningless one. The case against Apple Germany has not been settled.

Misleading title (-1, Troll)

dev359 (2502474) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972526)

This is not a court decision. Its only an initial decision that this subject is allowed to be discussed in court.
Read more here [evenweb.com]

Re:Misleading title (1)

znerk (1162519) | more than 2 years ago | (#37973380)

Goatse.

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Misleading title (-1, Troll)

dev361 (2502478) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972564)

This is not a court decision. Its only an initial decision that this subject is allowed to be discussed in court.
Read more here [evenweb.com]

Re:Misleading title (1)

znerk (1162519) | more than 2 years ago | (#37973404)

This link goes to goatse.

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Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972584)

It's far from Apple's only problem.. (1, Interesting)

cheros (223479) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972586)

I just had my iPhone nuked over the weekend because of a SIM-unlock that went wrong. According to the engineer I talked to (3rd level support) via another phone, this is not uncommon (no, it isn't fixed yet).

He then told me that I'm lucky not to have a 4S as there appear to be massive problems with them like dropping Net connections for no reason. Apparently the combination of iOS5 and iPhone 4S is *not* a happy one..

Re:It's far from Apple's only problem.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972610)

So you mean "It just works" isn't so accurate anymore?

Re:It's far from Apple's only problem.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972822)

No, I think he means "I made up some bullshit hoping some one will believe it"

Re:It's far from Apple's only problem.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972766)

Whose engineer?

I have heard nothing about problems with iPhone 4S dropping net connections. I have not experienced the issue on my own phone. And this sure as hell doesn't seem like something an Apple engineer would say.

This sounds like a carrier problem. Quit blaming Apple for the problems your shitty provider is causing.

Re:It's far from Apple's only problem.. (2)

Psyborgue (699890) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972820)

It is nearly impossible to perma-brick an iPhone. Sounds like your engineer may be misinformed. Let me guess: you have a 3gs, you flashed on the iPad baseband, and now it's stuck at a recovery mode screen? Here's what you do: create a custom 4.1 firmware image with Pwnagetool or Snowbreeze (default settings should be fine). Make sure you have no overrides to gs.apple.com in your hosts file (apple is still as of writing signing 4.1 on the 3Gs). If you have shsh blobs saved, you'll have more restore options, but 4.1 is at the moment always a safe bet. Then put your device in "Pwned DFU mode" using a tool such as iReb (on a mac, it's easiest to use redsn0w). After you've done this, shift (or option) click the restore button in iTunes and select the custom firmware image you've made. Unless there is a hardware issue, you should have no problem restoring. If you have 3g, the process is the same, but you should create an image for 4.2.1 (apple is still signing this).

Re:It's far from Apple's only problem.. (0)

gutnor (872759) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972860)

At least tell me you are in germany, so that it is not entirely offtopic ?

Re:It's far from Apple's only problem.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972870)

who didn't see this coming? Obviously iPhone 4S should be running iOS4S. Why would you expect a higher version software to work on a lower version phone?

Re:It's far from Apple's only problem.. (2)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972936)

Meh. With any major OS update, there's bound to be some weird issues in the x.0 release. That goes for Apple but other manufacturers as well... with Apple, it's usually some rogue process getting stuck running in the background, causing the battery the be sucked dry in a few hours. Mostly, these issues get fixed within a few weeks.

The issue with dropped connections on the 4S model doesn't seem to be "massive" at all, judging from what I read on the forums. It's a software issue apparently, and it occurs when using certain types of SIM-cards with a PIN. Removing the PIN appears to be a good workaround for most people until Apple issues a fix.

This place is getting as bad as Engadget (1)

Dupple (1016592) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972596)

Totally sensational headline. The Injunction was against Apple Inc. and Apple Inc. can appeal and introduce new evidence. Apple Germany sells iStuff in Germany, not Apple inc. There has been no ruling against Apple Germany. how about /. deals with some facts instead of troll feeding?

Re:This place is getting as bad as Engadget (2)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972846)

Totally sensational headline. The Injunction was against Apple Inc. and Apple Inc. can appeal and introduce new evidence. Apple Germany sells iStuff in Germany, not Apple inc. There has been no ruling against Apple Germany. how about /. deals with some facts instead of troll feeding?

So that is similar to Samsung Germany which isn't allowed to sell certain products in Europe (which Samsung France, Samsung Italy, Samsung UK and so on can happily continue to sell).

Re:This place is getting as bad as Engadget (1)

Dupple (1016592) | more than 2 years ago | (#37973336)

That's right, that's how it works.

Re:This place is getting as bad as Engadget (1)

Splab (574204) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972972)

According to el reg this injunction is against Apple Inc. and all subsidiarties.

It would serve Apple right (2, Insightful)

walterbyrd (182728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972700)

Apple used to be a great company. Now, Apple is just a patent parasite. If iProducts are banned, Apple will only have themselves to blame. You can blame other companies for defending themselves against an aggressive scammer, like Apple.

Re:It would serve Apple right (1)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972742)

So many words being twisted to mean something else in this post, where to start!

Re:It would serve Apple right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972784)

You could start with the word "words", followed by the word "twisted".
But honestly, why make that comment in the first place? Compulsory iBelief?

Re:It would serve Apple right (3, Insightful)

Telvin_3d (855514) | more than 2 years ago | (#37973284)

I'd object to the description 'patent parasite'.
Assholes, jerks and many other derogatory terms may be appropriate, but 'patent parasite' implies that they are leaching off others. Instead they are the ones pushing the market in every way, but using patents to stop others from following the same strategies. It's not nice, and it's not healthy for competition, but it's also not parasitic.

As they say (1)

bytesex (112972) | more than 2 years ago | (#37972730)

Payback is a bitch.

iSchadenfreude (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37972798)

here it comes...

muahahahahaaaaa... patents... HAHAHAHA...

who is next?

It will not hurt Apple.. (1)

dohnut (189348) | more than 2 years ago | (#37973188)

Well, not much. This is primarily going to hurt German retailers which is why you probably will not see an outright ban on the sale of iPhones and iPods. If you don't think people will be driving to, riding to, flying to, or ordering from other countries to get their Apple gadgets, think again. Apple products draw a lot of water and it's something people are buying regardless of the relatively poor state of the western economy.

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