One Tenth of China's Farmland Polluted With Heavy Metals 412
eldavojohn writes "A report form China's Environmental Ministry reveals that one tenth of China's 1.22 million square kilometers of farmland are polluted with heavy metals and other toxins. The AFP lists 'lead, mercury and cancer-causing cadmium' and points to the rapid pace of China's industrialization as well as factories and their operators flouting regulations and laws. Cheap batteries and lead refineries are slowly turning China into a land where whole villages are poisoned (11 incidents so far this year). According to Human Rights Watch the government's response to this scourge is laughable. The poisoned are denied treatment and China's Environmental Ministry offers no possible help: 'The report documents how local authorities in contaminated areas have imposed arbitrary limits on access to blood lead testing, for example by permitting only people living within a small radius of a factory to be tested. When tests are conducted, results have often been contradictory or have been withheld from victims and their families. And children with elevated blood lead levels who require treatment according to national guidelines have been denied care or told simply to eat certain foods, including apples, garlic, milk, and eggs.'"
It was that way in the U.S. in the late 80's (Score:5, Funny)
Heavy metal was everywhere back then.
If you need to get rid of it, just bring in some grunge and hip-hop groups.
Re:It was that way in the U.S. in the late 80's (Score:5, Funny)
Heavy metal was everywhere back then.
If you need to get rid of it, just bring in some grunge and hip-hop groups.
The cure was worse than the disease!
Re:It was that way in the U.S. in the late 80's (Score:5, Funny)
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"The cure was worse than the disease!"
There's always Disco! (runs)
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Unfortunately, it will take a long time and when it does come nobody will want it anymore.
The United States of China (Score:5, Insightful)
This sort of thing combined with Chinaâ(TM)s very questionable use of banned pesticides and other sketchy farming chemicals is why I do not by food products marked as being from China. I know that many of the other âoeready madeâ food that I eat probably has ingredients from China, but at least I can reduce the amount of poisons I intake. I try to buy local produce, organic when I can, but this tends to be a little spendy. And of course avoiding processed foods and actually making real food in the kitchen goes a long way to avoid the poisonous crap that China exports.
Of course, there are some of the same issues here, but far far fewer.
Without the kind of government regulation that the Republicans and Tea Baggers want to do away with, this is how the United States would be as well.
Re:The United States of China (Score:5, Insightful)
I'd suggest a more sensible approach, don't do business with China at all. Let their system collapse. If the dollar devalues and forces us to become more self-sufficient, that's a good thing that will dramatically increase employment and internal economy.
Re:The United States of China (Score:5, Informative)
Thats not the kind of regulation hes talking about. He didn't say anything about import regulation. He's talking about pollution and environmental regulation within the US that prevents our farmland from being poisoned with heavy metals. L2comprehend
Re:The United States of China (Score:5, Insightful)
Yep.
The sort of "Job Killing Regulation" the idiots of the Retardican party have been screaming about this year.
When they talk about abolishing the EPA, I take one look at what goes on in China, remember that this is what the Republicans want to let happen in the USA, and I know why nobody who loves their kids should EVER vote Retardican.
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if you overlook the communism
Re:The United States of China (Score:5, Insightful)
They don't have any communism. They have fascism rebranded as communism.
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Their government doesn't have to compromise or reach consensus between ruling parties with vastly differing ideologies and goals.
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They also don't have a welfare state. Interesting, since they are supposedly communists, while we are supposedly capitalists.
Re:The United States of China (Score:4, Interesting)
Neither does ours. However, our government does have to reach consensus between 437 individual points of graft, corruption, incompetence and greed. Which takes a lot of work, especially with that incompetence thing.
Re:The United States of China (Score:4, Insightful)
They have no social services to speak of, they have no regulation or enforcement that anyone cares about and have little to no need for public buy-in or consensus. You show me an efficient government and I will show you an oppressive one.
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I thought it was Mexico.
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I still can't believe, here, on slashdot, that there are people foolish enough to think one side is so much worse then the other. When all the fooled people start to realize that BOTH parties will sell us all out to make a buck this country might begin to correct itself.
Re:Why vote for Republicans (Score:4, Insightful)
I think it's hilarious that you believe that we've been bankrupted by Democrats.
Who exploded the deficit in the 1980s in an attempt to out-spend the Soviet Union?
Who inherited government surpluses at the turn of the century and then instead of paying down the debt, passed trillions of dollars in unpaid-for tax cuts?
Who led us into a controversial and optional multi-trillion dollar war in Iraq? (Some might ask the same thing about Afghanistan.)
Who passed and signed Medicare Part D (the prescription drug program) without even attempting to pay for it?
Protip: The things that you are told on talk / shortwave radio, in church, on Fox News, etc. are not always true. In some cases, these people are filling you full of complete fabrications. You are allowed to think for yourself, do your own objective research, and come to your own conclusions. Be warned, however, that these conclusions may represent a drastic departure from the insular dogma of your particular echo chamber.
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I'm sorry, but this is just naive. The problem we have is that we do not punish politicians for doing evil. This is true both of the Republicans and the Democrats. I won't argue that the Democrats will save us from overspending, because unfortunately they waste nearly as much money as the Republicans. But if you want to see a change, stop painting this as Republican versus Democrat. It's not. It's competent governance versus graft. Show up at the primaries. Pay attention to what the candidat
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there is too much importation from China to inspect and regulate, it's impossible.
It's hard so let's just give up? Wow I gotta remember this excuse the next time I forgot to do my homework.
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Do you have ANY IDEA how reliant we are on their manufacturing base? Do you have ANY IDEA the HELL that would come about in this country if we stopped trade with them? Any whatsoever?
I'm not just talking about consumer gadgets either. I'm talking chemical feedstocks, electronics, machine components, and much, much more. Are you willing to pull the trigger that starts a trade war that ends with
Re:The United States of China (Score:5, Interesting)
This ^
Only a damned fool is going to buy stuff made in China. And, only a double damned fool is going to buy food products from China. FFS, did no one's parents teach them about QUALITY?!?!?! WTF are they teaching in home economics today?
Ohhhh - let's say that you want some bottled water to take on a camping trip or something. Where can you learn whether one brand or another is better than the others? How 'bout a google search. Oh, wow, look what I found!
http://www.ewg.org/reports/BottledWater/Bottled-Water-Quality-Investigation [ewg.org]
Based on that one report alone, I'd probably be better off allowing the kids to drink from the streams where we camp. Crap, I can just boil the water, and have safer water than I can buy!
Do you think anyone looks at reports like that though? Not only "NO!", but "HELL NO!" People are chumps. They buy that bottled water because some MARKEDROIDS told them to buy it!
Americans are just chumps - no research, no comparison, nothing. Whatever is advertised on television is good enough for them. At the market, whichever brand is cheapest and/or comes in the prettiest package is good enough. DUHHHH.
Hey - if you won't shop intelligently for yourself, or your children, maybe you'll at least treat your dog right.
http://www.dogfoodscoop.com/dog-food-comparison.html [dogfoodscoop.com]
Notice that some of the best known, and most expensive, brands of dog food are less nutritious than a shit sandwich. Some of the unknown and cheaper brands are actually pretty good. The cheapest brands are what you would expect - worthless. Give Fido something decent to eat, alright?
Stupid assesment of why people buy (Score:2, Troll)
They buy that bottled water because some MARKEDROIDS told them to buy it!
Sorry, no. Most bottled water sold is large generically branded stuff.
The reason why people buy the bottled water is convenience. It's packaged to easily take with you. It has nothing to do with marketing, it's that it's easier than buying and filling your own leak-proof containers. Heck, even if you did buy and fill your own conners it turned out you were probably worse off with the BHP scare (though that was overdone).
Lots of what
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Only a damned fool is going to buy stuff made in China.
So where'd you buy your computer from? How about the chips inside it?
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Without the kind of government regulation that the Republicans and Tea Baggers want to do away with, this is how the United States would be as well.
Your comment about regulation is nonsense, there is too much importation from China to inspect and regulate, it's impossible.
It seems like you've misunderstood the plain intent of his comment.
Republicans and Tea Partiers want us to have about as much regulation as China does,
which will inevitably lead to the same disastrous health and market failures.
I'm not sure how you got from there to "regulate and inspect Chinese imports"
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If you have strong property rights, built into the fundamental law of the land, e.g. the Constitution, nobody can pollute your soil, water or air without compensation for both the loss of use of that property and for the inconvenience that loss has caused.
This presumes that someone can be compensated for (as an example) the loss of a family farm that's been worked for 8 generations.
It also presumes that whomever is causing the loss/inconvenience will be able to compensate the aggrieved party(s).
There are so many assumptions and presumptions required for your version of reality to take place.
And the big fucking problem with your worldview is that right now, alongside the regulations, we have
a legal system to provide compensation for both the loss of use of th
Re:The United States of China (Score:5, Insightful)
Funny thing about that... 20 years ago, Wal-Mart was all about "Buy American."
Of course, 20 years ago, American manufacturing meant something. Nowadays, you're right, we'd have to find workers to re-fill the factories. Like, say, the 15-20% of workers unemployed today (if you follow Real Unemployment rather than the government's "officially skewed" numbers that lose a lot of people).
Hey, wait a minute. We could actually employ people in the USA by rebuilding the manufacturing sector. Shocker of shockers... of course, that would require placing tariffs on dumped goods and stringent requirements of quality standards, in order to account for the price discrepancy of Chinese slave labor and complete lack of environmental regulation. Which is the last thing the current group of people running the House want to do, since it would be a popular move and they don't want to share any of the credit with the other side even though it's something probably 90% of the USA can agree to.
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(if you follow Real Unemployment rather than the government's "officially skewed" numbers that lose a lot of people).
So we should follow your skewed numbers, which include people like stay-at-home moms, students, and the retired in their numbers of who's "unemployed".
Re:The United States of China (Score:4, Insightful)
Of course, 20 years ago, American manufacturing meant something. Nowadays, you're right, we'd have to find workers to re-fill the factories.
American factories produce far more today than they did 20 years ago. With less workers, and more automation. The factories are being filled with machines.
Re:The United States of China (Score:5, Interesting)
This sort of thing combined with Chinaâ(TM)s very questionable use of banned pesticides and other sketchy farming chemicals is why I do not by food products marked as being from China. I know that many of the other âoeready madeâ food that I eat probably has ingredients from China, but at least I can reduce the amount of poisons I intake. I try to buy local produce, organic when I can, but this tends to be a little spendy. And of course avoiding processed foods and actually making real food in the kitchen goes a long way to avoid the poisonous crap that China exports.
Of course, there are some of the same issues here, but far far fewer.
Without the kind of government regulation that the Republicans and Tea Baggers want to do away with, this is how the United States would be as well.
It's scary and even regulations on labeling can't be imposed thanks, apparently, to the need to keep the government out of the way of business. According to the USDA, in 2007 50% of the apple juice consumed in the US came from China. That number is sure to increase.
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It's scary and even regulations on labeling can't be imposed thanks, apparently, to the need to keep the government out of the way of business. According to the USDA, in 2007 50% of the apple juice consumed in the US came from China. That number is sure to increase.
Things I buy often say things like "contains Thai chicken", but I had a look at UK law and can't see where this is required. The best I can find is a proposed bill [parliament.uk] to change the law to require it to be said, but Parliament ran out of time to debate it.
Does anyone know?
(Actually, I very rarely buy the kind of processed food that would say "contains Thai chicken", but when I do, most of the time the origin of the meat is clear. Fresh fruit and vegetables in the supermarket generally say "Grown in Kenya" or
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Based on this report (PDF) from USDA [usda.gov], "Apple juice imports from China totaled 420 million gallons in 2007, which was 60 percent of the U.S. supply. Industry reports suggest that the share of garlic imported from China exceeded 50 percent in 2007"
But "Food imports from China as share of U.S. food supply" is 0.4%.
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More like a repeat of Eastern Europe (Score:3, Interesting)
under Soviet rule. You haven't seen environmental horrors until you see what they did under Soviet rule, where not only the people bend to the will of the government so will the land. Of how production results are all that mattered, not how it was done. Where you had rivers you could not walk next to. (some might point to Cleveland and such but we ain't holding a candle to some places I have seen over there).
So, keep your derogatory and misinformed slights about the Tea Party and Republicans out of this, wh
Re:More like a repeat of Eastern Europe (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:More like a repeat of Eastern Europe (Score:5, Insightful)
So, keep your derogatory and misinformed slights about the Tea Party and Republicans out of this, what you are witnessing is the same thing that happened under the Soviets in the 50s through 80s. You are witnessing so much government that it is not answerable to anyone.
Exactly... when the people can't regulate what the government can do, you get into trouble (as in China, and in the USSR). The same is true of corporations though; when the people can't regulate corporations (through the government) you get into the same sort of trouble.
The truth is that regulations were put into place for a reason; to protect people and the environment. They were put in place because industry was poisoning the earth... in spite of the "protections" of a free market. Removing regulations may have a positive impact in the short term (may, I have yet to see proof of this), but whatever benefit is far outweighed by the long term negative impact.
Re:More like a repeat of Eastern Europe (Score:5, Funny)
Removing regulations may have a positive impact in the short term (may, I have yet to see proof of this)
You don't need proof, it's common-sense that they would have a positive impact. Removing regulations would allow corporations to save money on their bottom line, and then give giant bonuses to their executives. This is a positive impact. Are you one of those OWS hippies that thinks corporate executives shouldn't get $100million bonuses, even if it means poisoning everyone else? That's unAmerican. The only people who matter are the top 1%; everyone else needs to worship them and sacrifice so they can have more, it's the American Way.
Privatize the profit, socialize the expenses (Score:3)
That's how this pollution happens. They rake in all of the profit, but the expenses in environmental safety are left for everyone to pay.
Simple capitalism: They can keep the profit it they also assume the expenses. Regulation is required only so far as to make sure they assume their rightful expenses, to keep things capitalist.
Under Soviet rule: (Score:3)
Aral Sea pollutes you!
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You are no witnessing government, you are witnessing corpor/fascist state, the conjunction of corporations and autocratic government. In the Soviet era is was the police/autocratic state, where it was all about individuals gaining and maintaining power and everything else was subjugated to that.
The psychopaths in charge of those corporation also have another objective in mind, the complete breaking down of the US labour market and the extinction of the middle class. A new three class structured America a
Re:More like a repeat of Eastern Europe (Score:4, Insightful)
"Draining the pond to catch the fish." That's how the Chinese refer to the current political and business environment in China. There isn't any long term view in China, it's all get what you can while you can. I've often wondered it was a matter of faith or ethics, those people were removed from the population during the Cultural Revolution. How do people in a society develop a long term view on things in an environment defined by Communist rule since 1949 and the millions where removed who were simply inconvenient to the ruling class?
BTW, I don't believe that Sparta is a good model for a modern political or economic system. The tools that they used were relatively simple to manufacture and the gunmen are an inexpensive commodity in much of the world right now. China is short about 40 million girls due to the one child policy, so they have lots of expendable males.
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So because a completely different system had too much government, the answer is to become like the other system that has destroyed the environment, which has no regulation?
And no, our government is nowhere near close to what was going on under Soviet rule.
Was that Chicken I was eating (Score:5, Interesting)
One of the interesting aspects of globalization is a lot of restaurant food (Mostly Asian for now) is starting to come from china. There's no disclosure requirements there. Makes one think twice before heading off to the low cost Chinese buffet.
I would also say, don't assume organics gets you out of dodgy Chinese agricultural goods. At one point Whole Foods was sourcing their frozen "Organic" vegetables from China. An acquaintance of mine with USDA out of Beijing mission finds that extremely laughable. Since it's their job to visit farms and see the conditions they won't eat any of the food in China. Everything they eat is imported from US or Europe.
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This sort of thing combined with Chinaâ(TM)s very questionable use of banned pesticides and other sketchy farming chemicals is why I do not by food products marked as being from China. I know that many of the other âoeready madeâ food that I eat probably has ingredients from China, but at least I can reduce the amount of poisons I intake. I try to buy local produce, organic when I can, but this tends to be a little spendy. And of course avoiding processed foods and actually making real food in the kitchen goes a long way to avoid the poisonous crap that China exports.
Of course, there are some of the same issues here, but far far fewer.
Without the kind of government regulation that the Republicans and Tea Baggers want to do away with, this is how the United States would be as well.
Um... yeah! Because China is the right-wing "city on the hill" that all "teabaggers" wish to emulate.
Actually, what TEA Party members want is less government power. The example you ares seeing in China is fine example of why less government is a good idea. See, the all-powerful government that leftists like you want allows a government to set up all the regulations required to keep a population safe from those evil capitalist pigs. Unfortunately, it includes government power to choose who to apply those
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The problem is that because China's industries are still significantly state-owned there is an insurmountable conflict of interest. The state is effectively asked to prosecute itself,
Re:The United States of China (Score:4, Insightful)
It's what happens when government is in concert with corporation - in China, many of the top corporations are, as you point out, effectively state owned.
Here in the West, it's the other way around ; the government is in large part, owned in influence by the corporations. Happily, some part of it remains in public hands.
I don't think your expressed desire for less government is unreasonable from the idealistic point of view, but this is not tenable in real life. Really, I suspect the majority of powerful people who express a wish for less government really mean - "less of the kind of government that gets in my way". I suspect they are not opposed to more of the kind of government that supports them by bailing out their banks, spending tax money on war materiel, and passing laws that continuously erode the original spirit of collective bargains like copyright and patents. Even the Tea Party doesn't put its money where its mouth is, and keeps its cash in a bailed-out bank [thinkprogress.org].
Much of the the West is currently governed by the right wing ; well, China is the furthest end of right wing and has probably always been so - one mighty corporation in all but name. They have much less government than the West, and the common man is much worse off.
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Let's turn this around: if the state is the corporations, then are the corporations not the state?
"If we take Moscow," he said, "with its 4,700 Communists in responsible positions, and if we take the huge bureaucratic machine, that gigantic heap, we must ask: who is directing whom? I doubt very much whether it can be truthfully said that the Communists are directing that heap. To tell the truth, they are not directing, they are being directed." - Lenin
In other words, it wouldn't be the first time that this would happen.
I think the Chinese bureaucrats are quite numerous, but not as big as the corporations. Often, they *are* the corporations. So who is doing exactly what? To separate government and companies in this case is silly: it's not a question of big government, or big oil, or big banking: it's a question of an entire layer of people organizing a state
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Um... yeah! Because China is the right-wing "city on the hill" that all "teabaggers" wish to emulate.
When it comes to the regulatory environment concerning businesses, yes, it is.
The example you ares seeing in China is fine example of why less government is a good idea.
Nope. Considering they barely have any regulations to speak of, and any they do aren't really enforced, they're not going to be a example in your favor on this. If they actually had regulations, and enforced them, and this happened, then maybe you'd have a point.
Almost no regulations, and lack of enforcement of those regulations is what the Tea Partiers want. Coincidentally, that's what they have in China.
The problem with China is not regulations, it's enforcement of those regulations. Like another post said, since industry is effectively state owned, when it comes to regulations, you are asking an all powerful, very corrupt state to regulate itself. That's just not gonna happen.
As for China's regulations [chinabusinessreview.com]:
China has already enacted a comprehensive set of environmental laws. The statutory scheme is not perfect, however. For instance, penalties for noncompliance with some of China's environmental laws are so low that it is often cheaper not to comply and pay fines than to undertake the actions necessary to meet the statutory mandates. In other instances, companies have disregarded statutory requirements because the PRC government has not yet issued implementing regulations. But China's lawmakers cannot be entirely blamed for the current state of the environment; China's law enforcers—and the lack of a compliance ethic among Chinese businesses—are the chief culprits.
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Without the kind of government regulation that the Republicans and Tea Baggers want to do away with, this is how the United States would be as well.
One of the most idiotic partisan debates in the US is whether regulation is 'good' or 'bad.' There is no disagreement that causes dumbness on both sides. Both sides are wrong. Regulation is neither bad nor good by itself, it depends in great measure what regulation is in consideration. Some regulation is clearly good, some regulation is clearly bad. If you want to know, you have to investigate the particular regulation and consider whether it is good or bad. But go ahead, jump to your party line, it will ke
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> Without the kind of government regulation that the Republicans and Tea Baggers want to do away
> with, this is how the United States would be as well.
There's no nice way of putting this: You are retarded and whoever modded this nonsense "insightful" should be denied mod points indefinitely.
This comment is nothing but baseless bashing of 'them' without any thought at all. You don't even have a pretense of understanding the Republican or Tea Party (real mature BTW) points. Has it never occurred to y
Re:The United States of China (Score:5, Insightful)
You assert we are at the extreme end of regulation?
One can always do things differently, but whether it is still effective is what matters.
We'd probably end up like China, or at least like we were in the early to middle part of the last century (can you say "superfund"), real quick. And people would die needlessly before the uproar was enough to drive them out of business or, as is the policy these days, they sell their assets to a new company and the shell goes under.
I've heard nothing out of the likes of Bachmann, Perry, or Cain that suggest they have some plan for alternate forms of less intrusive regulation while still protecting the environment. Instead, they seem to desire to tear down regulations and environmental protections wholesale, for the sake of "jobs" and as in Cain's case the Koch Brothers who are, in his own words, his "brothers from another mother." Yeah. I think we know where his loyalties lie.
Re:The United States of China (Score:5, Insightful)
>There's no nice way of putting this: You are retarded and whoever modded this nonsense "insightful" should be denied mod points indefinitely.
There is no nice way of putting this but you, yourself, are delusional if you think the Republicans and the John Birch Society in drag (tea party) want anything less than burning rivers and brain addled lead paint chewing children, which got us the regulation in the first place.
If you are a slavering Dominionst (which Dominionism is rampant in the Republican party these days, wot, with their prayer breakfasts and whatnot) you believe the end of the world is nigh, raping the planet is nothing compared to the raining blood and plagues which are to come shortly. If you believe the end of the world is coming, the least of your worries is preserving it.
The only reasonable candidate that isn't a Dominionist or Bircher is Huntsman, and he's toast. This is what you get when you chase all the reasonable people out of your party.
That's the truth, and to deny it is to deny reality. QED.
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BMO
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We set a river on fire 40 years ago.
This was one of the triggers of the EPA legislation, signed by a Republican President - Nixon.
Today's Republicans want to "padlock the EPA." What do you expect to happen if this actually does happen?
What part of this do you not understand, exactly?
The fine Senator from Arizona, Barry Goldwater would be hounded out of today's GOP as a RINO. Look at Mr. "I trust science" Huntsman. He's pulling a whole 1 percent of the vote because the GOP leadership and the GOP at large w
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Re:The United States of China (Score:5, Insightful)
You are completely off-base with that comment about the Tea Party. I (as a tea partier) have no problem with unions in general except for public position unions and the ridiculous demands and perks they get paid for by the taxpayers. Unions are unnecessary if they work for the government since it is the government that sets most of the workplace environment regulations to begin with which makes unions redundant.
FALSE. There is absolutely nothing of basis or worth in this statement. There is nothing wrong with public unions. Your right to collectively bargain and form associations should NOT change depending on who your employer is. And those "demands" are not ridiculous, just about every major study on the subject has found that public sector workers are compensated LESS than their private sector counterparts.
PS: When you see someone who has an actual pension, or better working conditions than you do, the answer is NOT to say, "Why does he get that and I don't? We need to get rid of it!" The answer is to say, "Why does he get that and I don't? How can we get that from our employers as well?" Just because they have stronger bargaining positions than you do is no reason to hate them.
Add to that the fact the union dues are used to support or lobby for political positions that all the members do not necessarily agree with but are forced to pay into and therefore support.
I can say the exact same thing about donations made by corporations. My hard work and effort went into the company getting that money. Furthermore, I have shares in that company. Yet, I am forced to let those revenues go to support political positions that I despise. If you're going to bitch about union political donations, you must be against corporate political donations as well.
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You can try and say my understanding is wrong all you want, but the actions and words of the TP legislators say otherwise.
Unions (Score:5, Insightful)
Look for Chinese labor movements. The Poles were able to do it in the face of oppression. Maybe the Chinese can also.
And to think some working men think unions are a bad thing.
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The only reason the Poles were able to do it is because they were getting money and help from the CIA (ironically, even as the same administration was fighting against unions at home).
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Yes, China needs unions, but not for long. Already, working conditions are greatly improving. Instances of (real) slave labor have all but disappeared. Pay is rising. These are natural processes
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And to think some working men think unions are a bad thing.
It depends wholly on what those unions do. If they're freeing workers from an oppressive government, that's good. If they're just implementing a vote buying scheme (which is what most, if not all, public sector unions do in democratic societies), then that is bad.
But who cares about details, right?
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Unions are a bad thing when exactly like other entities, they take a hold of government power.
Now if that had actually happened in the last several decades, you would have a legitimate concern. But in the US, in reality, the unions have repeatedly given up power to everyone else.
Can't see the point of the article (Score:5, Insightful)
China doesn't care what anybody else thinks, we can't realistically threaten to boycott them (what are you reading this on, and where was it made?) and they essentially control the dollar and are making big inroads into the Euro as well.
This is a domestic Chinese problem, and it will be solved when the people of China decide to deal with their government one way or another. Until then all we can do is wring our hands and cry "Oh, the seething hordes of yellow sort-of-humanity! Oooh, new iPads!"
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This is a domestic Chinese problem, and it will be solved when the people of China decide to deal with their government one way or another.
I wonder when the Chinese people will remember this quote? "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao Tse-Tung
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This is a domestic Chinese problem, and it will be solved when the people of China decide to deal with their government one way or another.
Hardly a domestic Chinese problem. A number of foods in my grocery store -- particularly spices and fish -- are labeled "Product of China".
I'm not "boycotting" their food to get them to change their ways, but for somewhat more personal reasons.
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Or when the government decides it's serious enough to deal with, or when low level officials stop taking bribes. The people in china are part of the pervasive corruption, not the solution.
Like most developing countries, it's not china's laws that are the problem. It's the fact that an envelope full of money will make the law disappear.
Sure, in the US it's the same way, but the amount of money required is extraordinary. In the US (and the EU and canada) you pay off members of parliament, congress, the sena
Re:Can't see the point of the article (Score:5, Informative)
Do you mean my computer or monitor? My monitor was largely made in Korea. It is an LG Displays IPS panel, which are made in Korea. The electronics were made in Japan. final assembly was done in China but could easily be done elsewhere.
The computer is made from parts all over the place, few from China. The power supply is the only component I can think of that was made in China. The CPU was fabbed in the US, packaged in Costa Rica. The SSDs were made in the US, the HDDs in Malaysia. The memory was made in Taiwan. The graphics card was fabbed in Taiwan, assembled in the US. Final assembly of the system was done in the US since I put the thing together myself.
I'm not trying to argue that China isn't a massive producer of goods but please let's stop the stupidity of "China makes everything the US makes nothing!" Computers are largely NOT made in China.
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I personally care about this article as Canada is a major importer of food (both processed and raw ingredients) from China.
Canadians should be equally concerned that Canada is a major importer of Chinese officials' ill-gotten gains. Many of them feel safe to exacerbate the pollution and corruption problems in China because their families (and bank accounts) are safely accepted into Canada.
Check your preserved/frozen fruit labels. (Score:2)
one tenth of China's 1.22 million square kilometers of farmland are polluted with heavy metals and other toxins
Ah, that explains why food has begun to appear at my local store from China. I knew it couldn't be any good, just wondered about the details.
Vermont Village Organic applesauce is "canned" (is fruitcupped a verb?) in Barre, Vermont, according to the label on my desk (guess what I'm eating for lunch today?). Not sure where they're grown, Vermont is so small it probably only has like two trees. The fact they don't say where they're grown is disturbing.
Generic/big corporate apple fruit cups are proudly label
Mercury (Score:3)
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Do you know that the average Chinese farm contains more mercury than a rectal thermometer? Would you EAT a rectal thermometer? Well I would. Ah, mercury, sweetest of the transition metals.
Would you (could you possibly) eat and entire Chinese farm? Would you be hungry and hour later?
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Re:Mercury (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18396555 [nih.gov]
Claims 111 to 213 mg of Hg ions per Kg of soil, which seems a wee bit high. mg per Kg is basically a wordy version of PPM. I'm not sure if that scales, that would imply all of China's dirt added together would be some multiple of the total planetary store of Hg, wouldn't it?. Note this is the dirt that is washed off the mountains annually, so its probably the highest possible soil concentration.
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2007/2005JG000061.shtml [agu.org]
Claims plain ole Canadian forest dirt has 200 ng/g aka PPB. That seems like a reasonable number. High enough to fit with historical coal burning, low enough not to instantly kill anything grown in it, etc. Note this is just "bulk dirt"
I suppose soil levels in China could very well be 1000 times higher than in a forest in rural Canada.
As for the thermometer, fever thermometers used to have somewhat less than a gram of metallic non-ionized mercury. I am no expert on rectal thermometers. But I'm willing guess "somewhere in the gram level" is about right. Think about it for a second, goatse aside, the orifice is usually smaller than the mouth the oral thermometers use.
So to make one thermometer, you need something like all the soil in an entire medium sized Canadian farm, or a couple shovel fulls of Chinese dirt.
The big problem is liquid thermometers were made with Hg decades ago, alcohol solutions a decade or two ago, and are electronic now. Somebody putting Hg in your rear in 2011 is making a weird internet video, not doing a legitimate medical procedure.
The U.S. is better? (Score:2, Informative)
"The poisoned are denied treatment and China's Environmental Ministry offers no possible help."
Dude, I HAVE HEAVY METALS POISONING. I've been in chelation therapy for 14 years and NOBODY does anything to help. Check Medicare, Medicade, any insurance company and you will see that support for heavy metals poisoning is nowhere to be found. Ask your doctor to do a simple RBC minerals assay to check for heavy metals and watch the blank expression on his face in reaction. I'm doing my therapy all on my own.
Heavy
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Apple Juice (Score:4, Interesting)
Maybe I won't buy those oranges this time... (Score:2)
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Why "maybe", when you do not need them?
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Why "maybe", when you do not need them?
Hey you just never know. I live in the middle of the continent, I could come down with scurvy and need vitamin C urgently!
Though really, I just buy them because they are convenient. Fruit cups have a shelf life that is almost on par with canned vegetables.
Are you interested in lessening your impact? (Score:3)
Maybe: ..Not a chance
- stick with your current phone for 4 years?
- skip your next computer upgrade for 5 years?
- settle on a 24" LCD instead of the 92" plasma?
It's disturbing that we've put our own neck in the noose but just keep tightening the rope.
Don't Worry: (Score:2)
These wild environmental accusations are just malicious rumors spawned by outside interests.
The Chinese government is handling the problem as outlined here: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/10/26/1924201/china-detains-internet-users-for-spreading-rumors [slashdot.org]
And this is suprising how? (Score:3)
Offshoring (Score:3)
I blame offshoring of manufacturing services. Offshoring has proven a boon to industries that wish to export their toxic manufacturing processes and slave-labour "wages" to foreign countries. Can you think of any cases where the "cheap" manufacturing wasn't accompanied by lax employee and environmental safety regulations?
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The answer is more industrialization (Score:3)
Paradoxically, the answer is more industrialization, not less. History shows that pollution reaches a maximum for a country around when GDP per head reaches about $10,000. Below that number, citizens care more about the fundamental basic needs, and would rather have more money than a cleaner environment. As the citizenry gets richer, they start to care more about the environment they live in and demand that their government does something about it, and are willing to sacrifice some income to achieve it.
Luckily, China can take advantage of technological process, and will likely never be as bad as countries that industrialized earlier. No place ever has been or ever will be as polluted as London was in the late 1800s.
See what happens in a Commie Country? (Score:2)
If only China were capitalist, the Invisible Hand would take care of those poisoned people right snappy.
or maybe...
Finally (Score:3)
It's nice to see people in the West finally discussing this. Has it become, at long last, no longer be possible to exempt China (and others) from Kyoto with a straight face?
This conversation has been a long time coming.
Erecting domestic regulatory regimes while exporting our industrial base and its pollution to Asia is hypocritical. We have a moral obligation to correct this. Another consequence of this hypocrisy is a rapidly widening wealth gap between our now surplus working class and everyone else. We have a fiscal imperative to correct this, one you can observe [youtube.com] at the Port of Oakland right now. Cheap, plentiful imports flooding mega-stores with shiny disposable stuff has created an ugly consumer culture. We have a cultural need to correct this. The Asian escape valve has permitted us to indulge NIMBY-ism via our bureaucracies and the abuse or our civil law by pressure groups. We're all going to have to grow up a bit to correct this.
Farmland is still communal (Score:3)
While commercial properties have been privatized farmland is still communal, so who can claim damages?
This situation won't improve until the Chinese reject authoritarianism and demand a free society.
Re:1 10th of China's Farmland Polluted with Heavy (Score:5, Informative)
With uncontrolled emissions into the environment, you would likely see a uselessly small die-off, largely among people with occupational exposure, and a huge number of subtly to seriously impaired people with cognitive issues, chronic health problems, or both. Killing nearly nobody and creating a large number of chronically sick people is not exactly a clever population control strategy, even if you don't have any ethical reservations about it...
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Stories of nature finding a way in places thought uninhabitable due to radiation [slashdot.org]. Of fish that have modified proteins to live in water thought too toxic to sustain lives [slashdot.org].
Or not? [bbc.co.uk]
Perhaps humans are more complex and it won't work the same way. I'm certainly not saying its the chinese government are right - its a pretty ghoulish social experiment - but I wonder if the law of unintended consequences might apply.
Imagine a nation with not only economic superiority, but also a genetic advantage of living in hostile
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Stuff like that kicks in after 30-40 years. They already had their kid. "Population Control" Failed. You did however manage to kill of your most productive segment of your population.
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Russia thought of it, but we were big exporters at the time, so they couldn't implement it.
They're lucky we didn't think of it, or the soviet union probably would have collapsed.
Re:More like China (Score:5, Insightful)
Of course our corporate overlords will never allow this pass to in congress.
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Once President Perry eliminates the job-killing EPA!
President Perry? Why wait? President Lawnchair will beat him to it! Just wait until the rest of the conservatives tell him that he is being unpatriotic by not eliminating the EPA and that they won't talk to him about anything at all until he does and then ... POOF! Gone is that pesky EPA, courtesy of President Lawnchair.
Q: Mr. President, can you collapse under pressure?
A:Like a Lawnchair!
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At least that will solve our rare earths shortage.