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B&N Releases Nook Tablet To Rival Amazon Fire

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the more-options dept.

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jfruhlinger writes "It looks like there's competition in the low-cost media tablet space — and that Barnes & Noble is determined not to go the way of Borders. Barnes & Noble today announced the Nook Tablet, an Android-based tablet with better specs than the Kindle Fire (though it's also $50 pricier). The Nook Tablet will allow Hulu and Netflix streaming and sideloading of content, but won't have access to the general-purpose Android App Store."

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But (1)

bhcompy (1877290) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975502)

It will be able to access the Amazon App Store

Re:But (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975618)

A buddy of mine is considering one, so can you provide a citation that it will allow the amazon app store?

Amazon Appstore is an APK (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975706)

If you can turn on "Unknown sources" and install APKs, you can probably install the APKs for Amazon, Soc.io, and SlideMe. I have no citation for certain, but it's far more likely than not.

Re:Amazon Appstore is an APK (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975772)

The original NC didn't let you turn that on in stock, so I don't think it's a likely assumption that this one will. I guess it's just a question of whether they locked it down more than they did the NC.

Re:Amazon Appstore is an APK (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976070)

From the summary:

The Nook Tablet will allow Hulu and Netflix streaming and sideloading of content

That what your looking for?

Re:Amazon Appstore is an APK (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976144)

Not sure. It depends on what they mean by "content." If they mean apps, then great, but they might just mean putting ebooks, etc. on it without going through the Nook store (with calibre, e.g.).

Re:Amazon Appstore is an APK (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976294)

The nook color mounts as a usb drive. And content can be added by just copying files over. However you can purchade directly from barnes and noble.com and have it downloaded automatically as well.

It also has a microsd slot allowing you acess content from that as well. My only complaints are the stock browser and email clients suck.

Re:Amazon Appstore is an APK (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976362)

Right, that's sideloading "content" where "content" is ebooks, images, videos, etc... which is different from sideloading apps.

Re:Amazon Appstore is an APK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37976600)

You will be free to do whatever you want (as with Nook Color after the update). Also, a great thing is that that orignal Nook Color is priced as Kindle Fire, and is pretty much the same. A drop of prices on great tablets and readers!

Re:Amazon Appstore is an APK (1)

bhcompy (1877290) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976636)

It also wasn't marketed as a tablet. It is an e-reader that you can hack into a tablet. The NT is a tablet, and will act like a tablet.

Re:Amazon Appstore is an APK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37975850)

If you can turn on "Unknown sources" and install APKs, you can probably install the APKs for Amazon

APK? What does the "hosts file is the solution to EVERYTHING EVAR" "tee hee I like to say reverse psychology AnD AlTeRnAtE CaPs LiKe An IrC lAmEr" guy have to do with this and why do you want to install him on something>?

Re:Amazon Appstore is an APK (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975924)

I'd have no complaints if somebody wanted to install APK on a small asteroid.
Without internet access.

Amazon will win this one because of Silk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37975534)

One of this big draws of the Kindle Fire [amazon.com] is that has Amazon Silk built in. Although Slashdot denizens might have qualms with that technology, there's no doubt that Amazon can offer a smoother browsing experience than Barnes & Noble's device.

Re:Amazon will win this one because of Silk (1)

dreemernj (859414) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975614)

It wouldn't be too shocking if they opted to bundle a different browser that uses the same technology. Silk isn't the first to operate that way.

Re:Amazon will win this one because of Silk (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975628)

The old nook has a smooth browsing experience. I don't see how Silk is going to help unless you have a hopelessly pathetic Internet connection.

I don't see the advantage. (1)

pavon (30274) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975968)

What does Silk buy you? Both the Nook Tablet and the Kindle Fire have only WiFi connectivity, not 3G, so it isn't compensating for low-speed connection. Both have dual core 1 GHz processors, and if you can't render a webpage quickly with that, then something is seriously wrong. The original Nook Color with a single core 800 MHz could handle browsing just fine, although flash was somewhat slow.

So the only thing you gain by delegating some processing to a third party is battery life, but the Nook Tablet already has a longer battery life estimate than the Kindle Fire anyway. So what's the advantage?

Re:I don't see the advantage. (3, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976094)

Clock the old nook up to 1.2Ghz and flash is fine.

Re:I don't see the advantage. (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 2 years ago | (#37977106)

Flash is not "fine" on my Quad core i7, so I doubt it'll be "fine" on the Nook by any reasonable stretch of the word "fine".

So worse than the current nook? (1, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975592)

I have a nook color, with CM7. I have the google market, amazon market, both nook and kindle app and netflix. I am sure if I cared I could have hulu premium as well.

Re:So worse than the current nook? (3, Interesting)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975718)

Um, comparing a third-party firmware for the original Nook with the stock features of this new one isn't valid.

The better question is - Assuming that they don't lock the bootloader this time around, what will this new device be like with CM9?

If I didn't already have a Tab 10.1, I'd go for this... If the flexibility of this device is even close to that of its predecessor, it's going to be a beast with CM9. (It may get CM7 in the interim, but that's probably only going to be short-term.)

Re:So worse than the current nook? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37976484)

Um, comparing a third-party firmware for the original Nook with the stock features of this new one isn't valid.

Yes it is. Let's say you had a Ford Pinto and decided to enter it in a street race. Before you do so, though, you replace the engine with a top-of-the-line racing engine, replace the tires with racing wheels, upgrade the suspension, the chassis, the body (both to improve aerodynamics AND make it lighter), the transmission, and the steering (and yes, smartass, move the gas tank). Much in the same way you can say that's still a Ford Pinto and win races with it, you can gut the entire firmware from a Nook, replace it with whatever third-party firmware you want, claim that as the Nook's firmware, and compare the stock firmware B&N puts on their next Nook to it derisively.

See that? See how much easier logic is when your head is as far up your own ass as the GP's is up his?

Re:So worse than the current nook? (2)

yurtinus (1590157) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976730)

Or try comparing a Nook Color w/ CM7 to a Nook Tablet w/ CM7 if you don't want to troll... How nice would that be on a machine with twice the processor, RAM and Flash internally, and potentially a better screen?

Not saying I'm going out right away to replace my Nook Color (w/ the NookieComb ROM), but if you want to make a fair comparo give the CyanogenMod guys some time to spin a version for the new Nook Tablet. It won't take long at all and I suspect it's going to make a few of us want to upgrade our hardware.

Just One Question: (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37975624)

There's just one question:
Will it root?

Re:Just One Question: (4, Informative)

ickpoo (454860) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975896)

I chatted with the Barnes and Nobles sales guy via their website and asked that same question. They said it will be rootable. (Gave me the warning about voiding warranty). So, I'm guessing that it is, although the sales guy is likely ignorant and just repeating what he has heard.

Re:Just One Question: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37976010)

I would be very surprised if it wasn't rootable. B&N knows that it being rootable is a part of the Nook's success. B&N also doesn't want to spend any extra money they don't have to spend on the Nook. And their developers are not very good based on the firmware experiences I've had to date with their various models, so even if they went for it, I think it would be pretty easy to get around.

And in other -- er, actually, the same -- news... (4, Informative)

sootman (158191) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975644)

... the already-exisitng, easily-hackable previous Nook Color is now $50 less--just US$199. [barnesandnoble.com] Nice! Very tempted...

Re:And in other -- er, actually, the same -- news. (3, Informative)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975726)

And unlike the Kindle Fire, the Nook Color has an SD card slot.

Re:And in other -- er, actually, the same -- news. (5, Informative)

Solandri (704621) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976214)

On top of that, the Nook Color is programmed to try to boot off the microSD card first. So "hacking" it is just writing a CM7 boot image to a microSD card, putting it in, and restarting the tablet. If you ever want to go back to the original Nook Color experience, just reboot it without the card.

Any word on if the new Nook Tablet has the same feature?

Fire... hose? (1)

Kamiza Ikioi (893310) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976456)

Unlike the Nook Color, the Kindle Fire is part of a successful ecosystem. ;) In all seriousness, I wonder how much Amazon Prime and the rest of the ecosystem, such as book lending, will impact this.

If the Kindle Fire turns out to be a Fire Hose, then there's no comparison.

Re:And in other -- er, actually, the same -- news. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975778)

With CM7 it makes a really great tablet. I use mine all the time. You can install the Nook app, so you really lose nothing at all. Netflix works great on it.

Re:And in other -- er, actually, the same -- news. (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975916)

I didn't like the stock reader, nor the Nook app. I guess if I bought my books from BN, it would still be nice, but since most of my stuff comes from places like Project Gutenberg, Baen, etc... I found that I like FBReader much better (need a separate reader for PDFs though, but the stock/Nook app sucks for those, too)

My only complaint with CM7 Nook... (2)

brennanw (5761) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975958)

... is that using the touch screen is difficult at the very edge of the screen. This is really only a problem with some applications that put buttons in the corners, like Tweetcaster. Also, the Nook reader is very hard to use unless you pump up the dpi to make the graphical elements larger.

But that kind of stuff is pretty trivial.

Also, a dual-core 7" tablet for $200 is pretty sweet, especially if it's as hackable as the original.

Re:My only complaint with CM7 Nook... (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976048)

I thought that was just me and my fat fingers. Glad to know I'm not alone (And I do love CM7.1 now that they've mostly addressed the battery issues). Mind cluing me in to where/how to pump up the dpi like you mentioned?

Re:My only complaint with CM7 Nook... (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976296)

$250 though. Let's hope they don't rip us off with the exchange rate when it comes to the UK.

Re:My only complaint with CM7 Nook... (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976578)

What I can't understand is why it's so expensive. What causes it to cost so much? My Acer cost $250, and doesn't have a touch screen but does have a keyboard and mouse pad and 180 gb of drive space, as opposed to this device's 8 gig. Are touch screens really that expensive?

Re:And in other -- er, actually, the same -- news. (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975994)

Not quite - if you install the standard Nook app, you lose "More in Store" and "Read in Store" - I assume the stock Color had these. (My eInk Nook does.)

Re:And in other -- er, actually, the same -- news. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37976100)

With CM7 it makes a really great tablet. ...

I really wanted that to be true as the Nook Color is a beautiful piece of hardware... but it seems that no amount of hacking can bring smooth scrolling and zooming to Android. I can't tell you how much this ticks me off. Had I moved straight from a Windows XP tablet or something like a Nokia N800, it'd be great. Unfortunately, I've used an iPad and in spite of all the points people on Slashdot raise against Apple, I now know what it's like to scroll a web page and have it perfectly track my finger at greater than 5 FPS.

On the iPad, you scroll by moving the page with your finger. On Android, you ask the OS to queue the scrolling of the page by performing a scroll gesture.

Re:And in other -- er, actually, the same -- news. (0)

dave420 (699308) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976266)

Saying "Android" is like saying "computer" - it's a very vague term that embraces a wide variety of hardware. I've got a Samsung Galaxy S2 and it has absolutely no problem scrolling pages (containing flash, if desired ;)) smoothly as silky butter on a skillet. Plus, if you think iOS works without event queues, you are sorely mistaken :)

Re:And in other -- er, actually, the same -- news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37976400)

if you think iOS works without event queues, you are sorely mistaken

What he's saying is that the Android tablets he tried so far show their underlying technology can't keep up with what the user wants to do.

That's what people mean when they say "Apple stuff just works". Screw the damn technology mumbo-jumbo, just do whatever the hell I want it to do.

Re:And in other -- er, actually, the same -- news. (1)

SomePgmr (2021234) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976998)

Meh, tell that to my old iphone. It took 20-30 seconds to display text after I typed it. You can imagine what scrolling around webpages felt like. The thing was painful. :(

Re:And in other -- er, actually, the same -- news. (1)

Samus (1382) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976550)

Android screens are rendered widget by widget, pixel by pixel for every screen modification (scroll, zoom, item state changed, etc.) and that means a lot of work is being done for every frame. This is a legacy of the original spec not requiring a dedicated gpu. Modern devices are getting them but the acceleration is sort of hacked into that gpuless model. iOS on the other hand didn't start with such a limiting assumption and paints everything to an open gl surface with a fixed camera. Most screen modifications like scroll and zoom are just basic gl transformations that don't require a re-rendering event. That's why it looks so smooth.

Re:And in other -- er, actually, the same -- news. (2)

tchuladdiass (174342) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976108)

Not only that, you can install CM7 to boot directly off the SD card, so if you wanted to go back to the stock firmware it is just a simple matter of booting without the SD installed. If you go this route, make sure to use a Sandisk SD card though (even the class 2 Sandisk is faster than the class 10 of most other brands for this use case, since the other cards are only fast at very large block transfers).

Incidentally (2, Interesting)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975656)

It should be noted that Apple is publicly happy about the Amazon Fire and its rivals [businessinsider.com] because it further contributes to Android fragmentation.

Re:Incidentally (1)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975774)

...showing that despite early successes, Apple doesn't really understand the market.

Re:Incidentally (1)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975870)

Or- more likely apple are trying to put a spin on their dwindling market share to try and win consumers back by trying to pretend to the consumer that they're not the only one-off operating system.

Re:Incidentally (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976136)

apple are trying to put a spin on their dwindling market share

Dwindling? Really?

Re:Incidentally (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37976308)

They are still extremely strong in tablets, but IIRC the most recent global data show Android is up to a 30% share in current sales, with iPad at 65% (down from ~90%). So yes, "dwindling" sounds like an exaggeration, but the iPad's market share is not as dominant as it was a year ago.

Re:Incidentally (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976428)

Maybe that's because there was no competing product worth buying a year ago.

Re:Incidentally (2)

Threni (635302) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976316)

Citation available all over the internet.

Re:Incidentally (3, Informative)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976378)

Really. [eweekeurope.co.uk] 44.8% Android to 27.4% iPhone is already dwindled, but when the huge hype of the iPhone 4S release produces only a 0.1% increase in market share, the months after initial release will doubtless show further dwindle.

The much smaller market segment that is tablets also shrank [gmanews.tv] , from 75% to 67% iPad, while Android's share grew to 27%. The iPad lead is dwindling, and by the time tablets are as substantial a market segment as are smartphones, the iPad share's further shrinkage in the minority will contribute to the overall dwindling of Apple's share.

Apple is a great innovator, and a terrific survivor. But the company has never been much of a sustainer of market share. The diversity of large markets works against the total platform control that Apple always builds its products on, even as it helps Apple's kind of mass market but quality innovations and its tenacious survival. The middle phase is where most of the money is, and Microsoft and now Google (and its partners, the further development of the Microsoft corollary) come to dominate most of the time by owning it through relative openness.

Re:Incidentally (1)

fafaforza (248976) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975944)

But Amazon and B&N are the ones making the devices. They aren't releasing their customized Android for all LCD tablets and creating a compatibility issue that you might see in cell phones.

Re:Incidentally (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976696)

Windows fragmentation (how many different brands of computers come with Windows?) hasn't hurt its desktop business. AND there are not only several flavors of Windows (starter, home, professional) and different versions (98, XP, 7, and even a few copies of Vista) of the OS.

As a consumer, I welcome fragmentation. Having the choice of many different Linux distros is a plus, not a negative.

And BTW, why are they using Android rather than a standard Linux distro? The touch screen?

News or Advertising? (-1, Troll)

Cragen (697038) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975700)

Not much difference lately. /sigh. Time to look for a new news site, maybe.

Re:News or Advertising? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976646)

No, not much difference at all -- except for rendering and a few new things, slashdot is pretty much what it was ten years ago. Look in the archives, you'll see news about new Linux distros, new MS OSes, new hardware (especially CPUs).

If you want to see different stories, submit them. If you don't want to see certain stories, vote them down in the firehose.

Whats next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37975740)

Hey, Apple also has a tablet, why doesn't Slashdot do an article about that saying it is competing with the Kindle Fire. Sure the Kindle Fire came a whole year after the Nook Color... but apparently Slashdot thinks it was first.

Android app store is a deal-breaker (3, Insightful)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975756)

Without access to the Android app store, it's not much different than the higher end Chinese clones.

Re:Android app store is a deal-breaker (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975832)

Unlike the "higher end Chinese clones" the kernel sources will probably be available.

Re:Android app store is a deal-breaker (1)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975854)

...and so really smart geeks will figure out how to root the device and install "real" Android on it. But my wife will not be one of them. Why don't they just the hell put a full distribution of Android, with the market, on it in the first damned place?

Re:Android app store is a deal-breaker (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976118)

and so really smart geeks will figure out how to root the device and install "real" Android on it.

Yet this virtually never happens. Either the old kernel gets reused, or the kernel holds the device back and newer versions of Android never get ported back. Lack of kernel sources inhibits "real" android as much as it inhibits other OSes.

Re:Android app store is a deal-breaker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37976292)

It virtually never happens because 9/10 Linux hackers buy hacker-friendly (not wallet-friendly) devices. The early HTC G1 had at least 200+ custom kernel builds. Ditto for the Nexus lineup.

Re:Android app store is a deal-breaker (1)

Dare nMc (468959) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976198)

>full distribution of Android, with the market, on it in the first damned place?
Google charges for that, and keeps some design control on specifications for those who they allow. I am sure B&N would have been required to put GPS and a microphone into the device as well, to be allowed a full google license. The payoff for licensing android from google is full access to navigation, and voice IMHO but then you need mobile internet... All of that now pushes them into the IPAD cost. For those that want, B&N was nice to give a memory card, download CM7 to the card and it is all available with ease (share GPS, internet from your smart phone if you have one...) But then B&N doesn't have to support or pay.

Re:Android app store is a deal-breaker (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976206)

Google charges money (and has other requirements) for access to google's apps or the marketplace.

Re:Android app store is a deal-breaker (1)

Scyber (539694) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976238)

B/c its likely that B&N and Amazon are selling the hardware for very low margins. The anticipated revenue from the App store and book/media sales is what allows them to do this.

Re:Android app store is a deal-breaker (1)

BradleyUffner (103496) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975874)

Without access to the Android app store, it's not much different than the higher end Chinese clones.

If you can side-load apps, is anything preventing the google app store apk from being installed?

Re:Android app store is a deal-breaker (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975976)

Copyright/licensing, most likely. CyanogenMod got bitten by that, too.

Other than that, I'm not sure. The GApps seem to have weird tendrils into each other, from what I've seen, and that's all assuming that you CAN sideload apps and not just "content."

Re:Android app store is a deal-breaker (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37976562)

installing the google market is not as easy as installing an APK. There are other files involved.

You can upgrade your version of the market with the APK but, you need to have it already installed.

this is why if you want GApps on CM then you need to flash it through the recovery.

Re:Android app store is a deal-breaker (1)

SocietyoftheFist (316444) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976022)

They have sold 3 million of the original which basically makes it second to the iPad in tablet sales. If B&N has the most popular apps ported over they will have a hit. There is no need to have every android app available as most people won't care about it, they just want their LOL Cats and Angry Birds.

Color e-ink display? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37975770)

Does it have a color e-ink display? No? Then I'll pass.

Re:Color e-ink display? (1)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975892)

e-ink is usefull for an e-reader but less so for a tablet. e-ink is too slow to respond (even b&w) to be usefull for 99% of tablet applications.

Until e-ink's response time improves it will only really be usefull for eReading and a few other tasks.

I wouldn't want to read eBooks on a non e-ink device. I wouldn't want a table on e-ink though.

Re:Color e-ink display? (3, Informative)

AdamJS (2466928) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975974)

What?
You can add a near-instant capacitive touch interface to a color (only 30FPS/30Hz, but that still seems ok) E-Ink display just fine, though it darkens the screen a bit.
A darn shame the tech hasn't been mass-produced though. No demand for it despite the clear battery life improvement.

Re:Color e-ink display? (3, Interesting)

fafaforza (248976) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976012)

Which color eInk display are you talking about, exactly? As far as I'm aware, there aren't any commercially available right now.

Re:Color e-ink display? (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976418)

They're talking about the display's response time, not the touch sensing. Is there a color e-ink that can display 30FPS?

Re:Color e-ink display? (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976458)

Forgive my squirrely ignorance, but wouldn't that defeat the purpose of e-ink? I thought its big deal was that it only refreshed as needed, thus leading to massive reductions in battery usage.

Re:Color e-ink display? (1)

Junta (36770) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976672)

The ability to rapidly change content vs. the *need* to actively require power to maintain screen contents are two distinct points. In practice, those two points are in conflict with today's tech. eInk has steady-state properties that allow the display to be 'off' and still readable, but changing the state takes effort and incurs a large time penalty. If eInk had the steady-state property *and* could change between any possible states in under a millisecond, that would still have the battery-saving properties and be responsive.

Someone gets it! (3, Insightful)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975800)

From TFA:

> [the kindle fire]'s 8G bytes of storage is not enough to hold media for those situations where the user is not connected to the Internet. "You're not always going to be connected to the cloud," he said.

All together now: Bingo!

Re:Someone gets it! (0)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976140)

Come on back when you get a clue.

Re:Someone gets it! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37976182)

Although, from TFA: "The Kindle Fire's 512MB of RAM does not provide enough room to play a game app while reading a magazine or running another app, he said. Its 8G bytes of storage is not enough to hold media for those situations where the user is not connected to the Internet."

Excuse me, what?! The iPad (which I have and use daily) has 256MB RAM (http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPad-Teardown/2183/1 [ifixit.com] ); the iPad 2 has 512MB RAM (http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPad-2-Wi-Fi-Teardown/5071/1 [ifixit.com] ). Both of those devices can "play a game app while reading a magazine or running another app." Likewise, I have a rooted Nook Color with an 8GB SD Card and it contains more than enough media for those times when I don't have a WiFi signal; hours upon hours of video, tons of books and other documents, etc (everything from lightweight ePubs to fairly dense scanned PDFs). My 16GB iPad isn't half filled and I've had it almost a year. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for 'better specs,' but the attacks on the Kindle Fire appear unfounded in reality. Hyperbole at best...

Re:Someone gets it! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37976478)

Umm... these days which geek doesn't have a data plan on their phone that their secondary tablet can mooch off of.

Honestly 8GB is plenty for most normal non-geeks that this device is targeted for.

An SD card slot would have been cool for transferring photos from a digicam to the cloud, but Amazon can always pull an Apple and sell a dongle that does that.

The few times I'm stuck in a place with no internet coverage, I can make do reading ebooks on the device, and really, I don't have to watch a movie in 1080p. That's assuming I want to be futzing around with an e-device in that situation. On a plane? Meh, that happens to me about twice a year, and honestly I can find many other things to occupy me.

What the Amazon Fire excels at, is what Apple's iOS devices do, give a one stop, well integrated shopping/e-content experience out of the box (at least in the US it does a better job than Apple.) It's not made for "store your complete collection of bit-torrented 1080p movies on the device" users.

Re:Someone gets it! (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976582)

As excited as I am for this thing, (even if I can't justify replacing my 5 month old NC, as much as I want to), I find myself wondering about the 1080p claims.

I'm not much of a video guy, but how does a device with 1024x600 resolution display 1080p?

Re:Someone gets it! (1)

danbob999 (2490674) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976678)

It scales down the video to 1024x576 and display black bars on top and bottom. Or stretch it vertically to full screen.

troLlkor4e (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37975822)

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More market fragmentation. (0)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975910)

Looks like more market fragmentation. Now if I write a tablet app I need to host it through the Google, Amazon and B&N marketplaces. Though right now I think I would skip B&N as their claim of "over a thousand apps" is not that impressive. Otherwise the specs look good on the new Nook, bit better in many ways then the Kindle Fire. However I am less impressed with the interface overlay and am uninterested in the Netflix integration as I dropped them durring the "troubles". So no regrets over my Fire pre-purchase.

Re:More market fragmentation. (3, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976130)

Holy shit, choice! Competition!

I never thought I'd see the day when people would whimper and cry because of it.

Re:More market fragmentation. (0)

danbob999 (2490674) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976740)

Would be better if Apple, Microsoft and RIM all died. This way there would be less fragmentation. Only a single platform to write for: Android.
Who needs competition anyway?

How is this that much different than the nookcolor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37975978)

To be honest, it just seems to be a speedier nookcolor... I like my nookcolor, and it does everything I want a tablet to do, plus it has easy access to lots and lots of books to read on it. To be honest, B&N had a competitor to the Amazon Fire already.

I still prefer kobo (1)

rimugu (701444) | more than 2 years ago | (#37975996)

I still prefer kobo and wait eagerly for the next release.

I have a rooted Nook Color (2)

SocietyoftheFist (316444) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976008)

I'm running CM 7.1 on it and am very happy with it. I have it overclocked to 1.2Ghz and I can run both the Nook and Kindle Android apps on it. I've been playing a lot of Madden 12 on it though and I need to set the graphics to medium or low though for decent performance. I think that B&N will do well if they have most of the popular apps available for it with the speed bump and dual core processor. Having the Hulu and Netflix apps is huge and the ability to have 48 gigs of storage is nice. I rip my DVDs using Handbrake and they run just playback just fine on the screen. I prefer the 7" screen to the 10 inch screen on the iPad and most tablets.

I much prefer B&N to Amazon (1)

gurps_npc (621217) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976132)

I am however disappointed in Nook's advertising. They need to step it up a notch, so that people are talking about the Nook not the Kindle.

At the very least, the new tablet will help that.

But honestly, I think the thing they need the most is to open up it's software. Access to the Android App Market would help. But I think the best idea would be to sell it with a Linux OS, and a web browser (firefox/chrome/ whatever) that includes an app for Barnes & Nobles store.

Color E-ink (3, Insightful)

daenris (892027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976148)

Yay, a slight revision of the Nook Color... meh. Won't someone just release a color E-ink tablet already.

Supply chian (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976172)

The tablet wars on going to won on infrastructure and free stuff. The iPad has apps and the ITMS. Both provide lots of great free content, and stuff you can buy. It allows deep integration between devices, now for free. Amazon has, well Amazon, where free stuff can be had. If you join Amazon prime more stuff can be had at no additional price. Music is integrated through their sites, and lots of stuff can be streamed.People are going to buy the iPad and Kindle because of available free or cheap content.

Now, the Android tablets, as much as people might talk about their abilities, do not have a source of free content. They have a source of integration through Google, but most other tablets do as well. There may be a source of exclusive free content, but who is going to do it? Google has not done so thus far. BN could do it. They could give away tracks and video and books like Apple and Android does, but will they make enough money to cover the free content? As it is we see that Hulu and Netflix is the big thing, but Hulu cost $120 a year for mobile devices, versus $80 for Amazon Prime. Netflix also costs $120 a year, and the availability of any given video on a mobile device is always in flux as the licensing changes.

BN has the power to put content and integration behind an Android tablet and make them competative.

Re:Supply chian (2)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976272)

Android's source of free content is the entire Internet. And also specifically YouTube. This is the Google way: increase access among the many Internet users, help them find their content (free and otherwise), and promote some stuff along with it as paid ads. YouTube content might mostly suck, but broadcast TV is mostly worse (and the ad model is much worse), and cable/satellite TV content people pay $50+ for each month is even worse than that. There's so much more YouTube and general Internet content than in paid media networks that there's something for everyone.

Android will do just fine, as it has been. Even as the free content improves, partly as Google gets more and more people producing, consuming and sharing the free stuff. If Google is really successful, iTunes, AMS, BN's new thing and all the other content stores will serve to Android as much as to any other device, just as free stuff gets served to iPhones, Kindles and Nooks.

Re:Supply chian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37976960)

iPad's source is free content on the entire internet plus apple's exclusive content. I stll have yet to see an android tablet that is able to run flash well. By that time, html5 will be the winner. And ipad has already won that.

That $50 is going to kill it (1)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976202)

B&N is coming to the "media" tablet party a bit late. They should have found a way to trim $50 off the tablet to directly compete with the Fire. By not doing so, they won't be converting too many of the faithful kindle crowd.

Vendor Lockin (2)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976222)

Won't this tablet also be just a terminal for all content served by the BN servers, even if they pass through other content, as Amazon's Kindle Fire is? So all content is mediated by BN.

That's like buying a TV from CBS, to which CBS can send whatever "necessary" modifications to content from other TV networks. Yeah, it's like getting a cellphone locked into a single mobile carrier through which all calls are funneled. But look at how that's working out with cablemodems when the company is Comcast (and plenty of others): competing services, like downloaded movies or VOIP, get substandard service or worse. And any company can go the Comcast route any day it chooses.

Re:Vendor Lockin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37976416)

Won't this tablet also be just a terminal for all content served by the BN servers,.

Depends on whether the device can be easily rooted or not.

Re:Vendor Lockin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37977072)

No. The Nook supports many e-book standards including non-DRM'ed standards. My wife has "borrowed" DRM based files from the local library too. They automatically delete themselves after the loan period. It's DRM'ed but still need to borrow a book from the local library without leaving your house.

It also has a basic browser, and the new one has Hulu and Netflix streaming. None of this content is from BN servers.

$50 is $50 (2)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976302)

$50 in this price range is a huge difference. Think video cards for comparison. These are really 2 different products at 2 different price points. We'll see what buyers want.

Unhappy with my current Nook Color (2)

jdbannon (1620995) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976436)

I bought a Nook Color last Christmas and have been pretty disappointed. The eBook prices are ridiculously high. They are often higher than the physical book in the store or Amazon. They also seem to be consistently higher than Amazon's prices for the same eBook (which are also too high). The reader's behavior doesn't really seem to match up to the specs. It feels pretty slow, and the screen response is extremely poor. Many of the applications that come with (such as crosswords) are not functional because the touchscreen response is inaccurate. Battery life is pretty good when you're using it, but if it's set aside for a couple of weeks and not used, the battery will drain in the meantime.

Nook Color (2)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976502)

I've been pretty happy with the Nook Color. I mostly use it with free or sideloaded ebooks. Paid ebooks are way too expensive considering there's no dead wood, shipping or many other costs as regular books have. I went with the Color over an e-ink reader so that I can use it for light email/web usage while on the road. I dual-boot Honeycomb from a microSD card for apps not available through B&N's limited app store (which is most of them). If The Nook Tablet is as easy to dual-boot as the NC, I might consider upgrading in a few months.

$149 Nook Color (Certified Pre-Owned) (1)

Bryan-10021 (223345) | more than 2 years ago | (#37976954)

The Nook Color can be found for $149 Pre-Owned and $79 for Nook B&W Simple Touch @ Barnes and Noble. At those prices I had to buy both. Color: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/cert-pre-owned-nook-color-barnes-noble/1100666155 [barnesandnoble.com] B&W: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/cpo-nook-simple-touch-barnes-noble/1102471846 [barnesandnoble.com]
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