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Ask Slashdot: What To Do With Spammers You Know?

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the oh-you-mean-legal-things-right? dept.

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courteaudotbiz writes "For years, a business named Compu-Finder has been sending spam all around the province of Quebec, Canada. In their emails, there is a phone number where we can reach them, and an unsubscribe link that you can click and seems to work, but even after asking them on the phone, by email or with their unsubscribe link, to unsubscribe me, I still receive 10 — 15 spams a week coming from this company. Many bloggers, journalists and radio chroniclers talked about them, but they seem to be untouchable. Still, it is easy to find the names, addresses and phone numbers of the shareholders and administrators of the company. How can we, collectively, take action to make them understand that we do not like their mass mailing practice?"

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Is Analingus the new Cunnilingus? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37986492)

It happened when I was 19, a guy I met a guy in my College library took to his dorm and turned me around having pulled pants down. I figured he wanted to eat me doggystyle, when he stuck his tongue up my anus...

7 years later and more than 30 partners of all shades; half of whom have performed analingus on me, has me thinking its perhaps the new cunnilingus and 10 years time it will be part of foreplay.

PS: I return the favour.

Your thoughts.

Re:Is Analingus the new Cunnilingus? (-1, Offtopic)

nepka (2501324) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986532)

Wait what, you've only had 30 partners during 7 years? That seems a bit low. I think I did that in half an year while traveling the world.

Re:Is Analingus the new Cunnilingus? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37986784)

this is /., no one on here has ever had sex, much less more than once, unless your partners were your hands

Re:Is Analingus the new Cunnilingus? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37986860)

He had 30 hands? O.o

Re:Is Analingus the new Cunnilingus? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37987146)

You had sex with more than 30 men in half a year? Wow, that is quite an accomplishment. It must really easy for you to take shits now.

Aren't there laws against that? (3)

NixieBunny (859050) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986566)

Document it thoroughly and submit a report to the authorities. If that doesn't work, go to their offices and switch off the main power panel a few times until they get the hint.

Re:Aren't there laws against that? (1)

jordanjay29 (1298951) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986876)

I was just going to recommend this. The behavior they're displaying borders on harassment, and should definitely be viewed as unfavorable by police and (hopefully) the shareholders.

Re:Aren't there laws against that? (1)

Hanzie (16075) | more than 2 years ago | (#37987070)

I lock them in my basement, then Christopher Walken and I prank them.

Re:Aren't there laws against that? (2)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 2 years ago | (#37987072)

If that doesn't work, go to their offices and switch off the main power panel a few times until they get the hint.

Also helps against neighbours who play loud music in the middle of the night...

Getting your point across (4, Insightful)

jdavidb (449077) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986568)

How can we, collectively, take action to make them understand that we do not like their mass mailing practice?

Are you under the impression that spam continues because people think we like it? That if they only understood how much we don't like it, they would stop?

Re:Getting your point across (1, Informative)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986798)

How can we, collectively, take action to make them understand that we do not like their mass mailing practice?

Are you under the impression that spam continues because people think we like it? That if they only understood how much we don't like it, they would stop?

I just hope that doesn't mean you are one of the mindless masses who believes that spam is sent out purely to make people angry or waste their time. People of even moderate intellect realize that spam is all about money, and the only way to stop the spam is to stop the flow of money to the spammers - or at least make it more difficult for them to get so much money so easily.

Re:Getting your point across (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986820)

Correct. It continues because they think it is effective.

Contact the group being advertised for.
Tell them you will not use their services, explain why (including the firm).
Don't use their services.

Re:Getting your point across (1)

The_K4 (627653) | more than 2 years ago | (#37987008)

It continues because they think it is effective. I'm sure they can see if it's making them money and therefore effective. Until something happens that causes them to lose money it is effective for them.

Don't call or unsubscribe (5, Insightful)

gearloos (816828) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986578)

Usually having a phone number is great!... for the spammers. It now gives them another reference for you and more info to sell and abuse. as for unsubscribing, well, that just shows them that a live human actually is at that address and reading email from spammers.. Goldstrike if you called and unsubscribed.

Re:Don't call or unsubscribe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37986984)

Setup Tor and start signing them up for everything you can.
Request callbacks for services in the name S Pammer.

Re:Don't call or unsubscribe (5, Insightful)

bzipitidoo (647217) | more than 2 years ago | (#37987142)

Why was this modded down? It's all too true. Don't unsubscribe, don't call. All that does is confirm that you look at their spam. Mark the offending messages as spam, and filter them out, that's all.

show up at their door (2)

james_van (2241758) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986580)

with pitchforks and torches

Re:show up at their door (1)

fifedrum (611338) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986734)

this. Occupy their main office. Bill them for their services of delivering you junk mail. Submit to collection agencies. Show up at their houses. The usual stuff.

Re:show up at their door (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37987238)

Or show up at their cyberdoor with cyberforks and cybertorches (i.e. DoS) -- in either case, you'll want a mob with you for maximum effectiveness, so get thee to 4chan and ask Anonymous if they'll be your personal army. (Never hurts to ask, amirite.)

not your personal army (-1, Flamebait)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986584)

How can we, collectively, take action to make them understand that we do not like their mass mailing practice?"

Not your personal army. But doing something in real life rather than whinging on slashdot is a good stay.

Re:not your personal army (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986880)

So which "something" should one "do[...] in real life rather than whinging on slashdot" in order to shut down an identified spammer?

Re:not your personal army (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37987086)

But doing something in real life rather than whinging on slashdot is a good stay.

How about if the OP posted the details on 4chan?

Re:not your personal army (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37987198)

GTFO my /./

err... uhmm.... yeah.

Arson is your friend. (4, Informative)

Surt (22457) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986586)

Really, it's the only way to get through to some people.

Re:Arson is your friend. (1)

Spectre (1685) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986650)

Agreed. It works for nearly any non-hardened military target ...

"Kill it with fire!"

Re:Arson is your friend. (2)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986868)

Hey! My cat says that when she is made aware of the existence of any other cat...

Well, not in those exact words, but she can't actually speak. The intent is clear though.

I wonder if I could train her to go into these homicidal rages at spammers?

Re:Arson is your friend. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37986680)

Given that this is Quebec, I'm inclined to agree. Montreal has become such a mob run city that firebombing of small businesses is pretty common place. These guys would certainly deserve it.

Re:Arson is your friend. (2)

wintercolby (1117427) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986844)

Light a fire for a man and he's warm for a day, light him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life. --Terry Pratchett

DNS block (1)

charnov (183495) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986590)

Add a entry in your mail server to drop everything from their netblock. Better yet, block them at your DNS, too.

Re:DNS block (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37987064)

Or better yet, re-direct there spam traffic from there netblock back to there own email servers, if enough of there spam gets re-directed back to them they may end up slowing or crashing there own systems.

Fire back (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37986608)

Subscribe their phone and their email to another very spammy website. The more goastier, the better.

Re:Fire back (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37986996)

Some years back i collected real emails from spammers and people that hire them, and sent messages to each in the name of each other, so each one will have all the rest in their to spam databases. Wasnt a spam singularity, but at least they could had a chance to feel how annoying they were.

I know what to do (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37986612)

Just click report spam

Re:I know what to do (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37987336)

AOL user, huh?

As a start... (4, Funny)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986622)

Publicise the names and personal details of their CEO and board of directors.
Subscribe their email addresses to every spam product and service you can find.

Re:As a start... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37986668)

Then unsubscribe their email address from those same spam products / services.

Give him a wedgie! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37986658)

Take no prisoners!

Give it back to them? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37986670)

Could a script be written that whenever it receives a spam email from them, it sends a copy to Compu-Finder's email addresses with a tag saying "I received this from you. Please take me off of your list." ?

And/or have a robo caller that calls the company and tells them that you received an email from them and please take you off of their list?

They contacted you. And if they keep contacting you, I don't see what you can't return the favor.

First Hand Experience... (5, Informative)

what2123 (1116571) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986692)

I can speak on this company from a first hand account. I work for an ESP, I actually manage all our mail servers and work closely with ISPs and mail vendors to help out GOOD CLIENTS. I say this because Compu-Finder (although they have an official name that is different) was a client of ours. They were a BAD-CLIENT. We have many tools that are in place to help our clients ensure that best practices are followed as well as easily available to contacts of the client, e.g opt-outs and suppressing those contacts from future emails. Compu-Finder did everything they could to get around built in mechanisms to keep "contacts" subscribed. Well Finally after battling with them on changing their practices we finally fired them. They are the kind of company that makes me cringe because I know there are real, legitimate, marketers out there that do use email to engage clients and keep them up-to-date but they are the ones that make it bad for any sender.

Re:First Hand Experience... (3, Interesting)

fifedrum (611338) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986796)

and I work on the other end, supporting a few million email accounts. I like ESPs like you, because you work diligently to keep your senders on the up and up, but this scumbag will just move on to some other ESP, or worse, start connecting with hosted email providers like us, and spam from there.

There is no way to defend against it EXCEPT to put their phone numbers and domains in black lists from the start. That, and as per a suggestion above, kill it with fire.

Re:First Hand Experience... (2)

what2123 (1116571) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986862)

You should be familiar with MAAWG then. I am a committee member and one major point that comes up with is Vetting. For the most part, we are attempting to have ESPs have an open network of communication regarding business that are known as bad or corrupt in some form and literally BAN them from sending from a MAAWG member. This of course isn't live or current yet but eventually it could work to promote much better sending via known, good ESPs, not the fly-by-sender ESPs that exist everywhere.

Re:First Hand Experience... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37986838)

>> I work for an ESP

And you had no idea how your relationship with them was going to work out? Some ESP. Hrumph.

Court? (1)

1s44c (552956) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986702)

Have you considered taking them to court?

Or you could just filter or even tarpit their mail servers and forget about it. If you use free webmail just click the spam button on each mail and sooner or later they will get blocked.

I think there are a few companies like that. I get constant spam from a bunch of jokers calling themselves clubline football.

How to fight spam (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986742)

Naturally, you want to use the CAN-SPAM act, and send it to spam@uce.gov.

Oh, wait, you wanted something effective, didn't you?

If you want to fight spam effectively you need to focus on the prime motivation behind spam - money. Spam is sent out because people make money sending it out. Ordinarily spam is sent out by a company other than the spamvertised company, which gives you a few more avenues to explore. There are, however, a few things you can still look into.

First, who is the registrar behind the domain? Most registrars have AUP's that prohibit spamming from domains they sell. You can try to report the spam to that registrar and if they are truly vigilant about spam they could essentially de-register the domain from its address, which would prevent all return traffic to it. No email, no web, no anything else going to their domain. The registrar would still have the rights to the domain, hence the customer (your spammer) wouldn't be able to do anything with their established domain until they clear up the situation with the registrar.

Of course, most registrars are in on the take and won't take such action. Your next option is the hosting company (or ISP if they are hosting their own website). Contact them about it as well, most hosting providers and ISPs frown heavily on their traffic being used for spamming or for spamvertised sites. Same thing could happen here; their domain could become unreachable. Only downside of this avenue versus getting the registrar to do it is it wouldn't take nearly as long for the spammer to get their domain back up afterwards.

Re:How to fight spam (2)

Phreakiture (547094) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986956)

The CAN-SPAM act loses what little punch it has as soon as you cross the state line from New York into Quebec . . .

Re:How to fight spam (1)

Sancho (17056) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986962)

The first sentence of the summary says

For years, a business named Compu-Finder has been sending spam all around the province of Quebec, Canada

Is CAN-SPAM Canadian?

Re:How to fight spam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37987178)

Is CAN-SPAM Canadian?

Well I assumed the CAN was an abbreviation for Canada

Re:How to fight spam (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37987098)

Man, it sure took you a lot of words to say "I didn't read the question".

Re:How to fight spam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37987196)

Naturally, you want to use the CAN-SPAM act, and send it to spam@uce.gov.

And what would you propose he use a US law for in Canada?

This is Canada (1)

future assassin (639396) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986744)

cosumer rights here are shit. Get some signs, friends and park your ass at their door. Piitch forks could be used if not enough sings are available.

Re:This is Canada (4, Interesting)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986938)

Ah, but it's Quebec.

Make sure they follow the language laws, if not, report them to the language police. They're apparently quite vicious.

Also, Quebec has very special status in Canada since they basically want to do everything themselves and only give token attention to Ottawa (they have their own sales tax - QST, that the Harper Government (tm) is paying $4B or so for them to change it to an "H" to implement the HST which would do the same thing). Quebec can easily make it very hard for a business that's not obeying its laws to do business inside Quebec, even if they're not in Quebec.

It's why in Canada there's lots of things that are "excluding Quebec" - not just sweepstakes/lottos/etc, but also products that basically are unavailable to be shipped to Quebec. They have the requisite French, but they don't meet some other part of Quebec law and are therefore disallowed.

Re:This is Canada (1)

jordanjay29 (1298951) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986982)

cosumer rights here are shit. Get some signs, friends and park your ass at their door. Piitch forks could be used if not enough sings are available.

Well, the holiday season is fast upon us, so it wouldn't be hard to convince some Carolers to take up the cause. Tell them you'll have free hot chocolate, and you're bound to get a few to sign and hold your signs.

Small Claims (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986746)

Small claims courts are easier if you're a local. There's no way I could sue them, but you could.

Fighting SPAM... (1)

generikz (413613) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986762)

... shutting down all domains that have a non-responsive/non-working abuse@ handler in their whois?

I'm tired of Korean/Chinese/Pakistanese/South America spam sources these days. Is there a way to get a rather complete list of IP blocks per country?

I do not have business with these countries, the net impact on my activities would be close to 0.

Spamcop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37986778)

I wind up sending all my spam to SpamCop.net which is owned by Cisco. They in turn send email to abuse departments at the company and ISP level. It's a free service.
http://spamcop.net/anonsignup.shtml

Re:Spamcop (1)

LostOne (51301) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986878)

And those reports are promptly ignored by almost everyone that receives them, and here's why: of the 1000 or so I've recevied at $dayjob over the past decade, exactly zero have had anything to do with me, my customers, or my servers. All it takes is some lowlife to mention a bunch of random sites in their spam to deluge abuse contacts with irrelevant reports.

Re:Spamcop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37986916)

What about operations like Blue Wolf Consulting [blogspot.com], who spams through Salesforce.com? (I'm sure this guy isn't the only guy seeing their spam.)

Salesforce itself is a legitimate company with a market cap of $18B. They're not even in the spam business per se; their main line of business is selling CRM software to large companies. Although their abuse department is reportedly responsive, they're apparently not responsive enough.

Block it and move on (3, Insightful)

Lev13than (581686) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986804)

Just block their domain and get on with your life. If you value your time at, say, $20/hr, how much are you willing to spend in order to get nothing in return?

Re:Block it and move on (4, Interesting)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986970)

Ironically, getting nothing is exactly what he wants. It's funny how much time we spend trying to get people to stop wasting our time.

Re:Block it and move on (5, Interesting)

Nanoda (591299) | more than 2 years ago | (#37987136)

After all the spam I've gotten in the past ~15 years? If I found out there was a spammer in my own city, I'd be willing to spend at least a couple of evenings trying to shut them down.

Baseball bat to the knees (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37986810)

Take a baseball bat. You gotta hit him in the knees, before you hit him in the head.

Pirated software (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986858)

I heard on IRC that they use pirated software to spam, although I have no first hand knowledge or documentation. Are there not paramilitary heavily armed SWAT team like organizations that break down doors, like we have in the land-of-the-unfree to your south?

Also CP is sold by spammers, and they are spammers, so they probably traffic in CP, correct? The legal system loves to bust CP distributors.

Share the joy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37986914)

Sign them up for their own list
    And as many other lists as you can, let them enjoy the fruit of their "Labors"
Especially include the Sales department, the CEO / CFO, accounting staff
    Leave out the Sysadmin staff, after all, they may slow down the tide

Let them start paying the human cost of so much junk
    After all, "it only takes a second to remove it"
    Times 50-60 different addresses, and 50-60 different "opt-in"

While you are at it, fill in some of the drop cards out of magazines
    The weirder the better
    Again, figure what, 2-3 out of every magazine? How many do you get? Get from Doctor's offices, any other waiting room, and send em all to the company / staff

Not sure which law(s), if any, would be broken by this in the US. But if you have a buddy outside the US, they aren't likely to get em
Even in the US, the "victimless crime" unit doesn't care. After all, look at how aggressively Identity theft is pursued

Do Nothing, let Spamgourmet take care of it. (1)

uigrad_2000 (398500) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986924)

I've had the issues as the original poster. So, about 6 years ago, when I was about to change email addresses anyway, I signed up for an account at Spamgourmet.com [spamgourmet.com]. I hoped that I would never need to worry about unsubscribing again.

It works perfectly. I place unique characters in every address that I give out online. The first 'n' messages to a particular address get forwarded to my main address. After that, they get eaten by spamgourmet. I have to manually increase the limit or designate an exclusive sender if I want more than the first 'n' messages to go through.

You can set 'n' to be anything from 1 to 20. I use 5 typically.

Fight spam with real mail (3, Interesting)

cronos1013 (1412777) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986930)

There is a simple and SUPER fun way to combat this. Get the google toolbar with auto fill for forms, and sign up for every free thing on the market you can with their address. This was done to a spammer a couple years back in the US and I guess once your postal mail volume reaches a certain ammount they stop delivering it, and bill you if you dont pick it up. If 10000 people sign them up for 1000 deliveries of junk real mail, they might get the picture. Maybe....

Think for me! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37986950)

WTF? Can't you think for yourself?

Like a telemarketer (2)

wintercolby (1117427) | more than 2 years ago | (#37986978)

I got a call from a telemarketer on my cell phone at 3AM one day. I called the number back and found that it was a standard voice/prompt setup. I randomly dialed buttons until I got to a dial by extension choice. I then dialed every extension I could think of, leaving voicemails on every line, stating that the next time I get called on my cell phone at 3AM I would sue the company out of existence. Where I live the law is on my side on this, it is illegal to call before 9AM or after 7PM here. It must have gotten through to one of the people I left a voicemail for, because they never called again. Harass them more than they harassed you by wasting their time, and they'll find a way to stay out of contact with you.

And never, ever, ever click unsubscribe from anyone but the most reputable companies. It lets the spammers know that someone at that address actually reads those emails, and they don't mind sharing it with their sister companies.

The Star Trek way...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37987018)

I like the approach of Lieutenant Worf, on an edition of Deep Space Nine:

"FIND HIM AND KILL HIM!"

Anti-Spam Tool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37987022)

I realize that this is probably naive but... Since spammers rely on the very few percent of people who respond, couldn't people just set up a special SpamFolder that responded to these emails 100 times with random text? If enough people did this, the spammers inboxes would be so clogged with mail that they wouldn't be able to find the few valid responses thereby making it financially infeasible.

(Yes, I'm serious) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37987026)

Give their address to the wonderful people at 4chan.

Start leaving the CEO voicemail (1)

gotfork (1395155) | more than 2 years ago | (#37987050)

I had a similar issue with a company that makes industrial plasma etching equipment. After eight months of trying to get off their mailing list I was able to find the CEO's personal phone extension, and started left him a choice voicemail. I got a phone apology each from their PR and marketing heads within the hour, and haven't heard from them since. This may not work if the whole company is in on it though.

There's no "Stopping" Just "Annoying back" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37987068)

Give a list of their IP's and contact information to Spamhaus http://www.spamhaus.org/.
If it's bad enough they will hold the ISP's IP's hostage until they get rid of the customer. If they decide not to stop, they could contend for a spot on their "ROKSO".
It still won't stop them, but it will at least cost them time and money to get new servers and ips.
Also send samples of the emails you receive to their ISP's abuse department. If nothing else you'll make them unhappy for awhile.

Instead of using their personal email addresses to sign up for spam, just use spam-trap emails to sign up for their own crap. If that doesn't put them on the radar, you could always resort to weeping in a dark corner somewhere.

Spamhaus (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 2 years ago | (#37987074)

Has Spamhaus never heard of these people? How about other spam blockers? If you ISP isn't subscribing to blocklists then maybe your issue is with them.

File a lawsuit! Or many! (4, Informative)

www.sorehands.com (142825) | more than 2 years ago | (#37987112)

There are some people or companies that will clean up their act when they have been sued. Sometimes it takes more.

Within a week after I had been contacted by one drug spammer that I sued, my spam load went down by 50%.

Another Spammer I sued, put in place a strong anti-spam policy and apparently quite effective.

When I went after Avtech Direct (Arlene Sediqzad and Gary Hunziker ) for spamming, I also helped arrange 21 lawsuits against them. After this was over, Sediqzad told me she wish she never heard of e-mail, and had not heard of it until Gary Hunziker got her into using it. Another spammer, Robert Smoley [sun-sentinel.com], stopped, only because he was charged, pled guilty, and sentenced to 40 months. They also seized over $40M of money and property from him. I think that is one of my most productive 45 minute phone calls with an IRS agent ever.

But this company you talk to is like Smoley, or Ralsky who needs to be sued multiple times or imprisoned for a while before they stop spamming.

Four Letters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37987124)

DDOS

Re:Four Letters (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#37987260)

No!

Do not break the law to end this. Stay within the law, there's plenty of legal options at your disposal to make their business truly miserable.

Laws to be used against spammers in Canada (1)

dayton967 (647640) | more than 2 years ago | (#37987140)

These are the laws that can be used currently in Canada.

Theft of a Telecommunication Service (Section 326)
    (1) Every one commits theft who fraudulently, maliciously, or without colour of right,
        (a) abstracts, consumes or uses electricity or gas or causes it to be wasted or diverted; or
        (b) uses any telecommunication facility or obtains any telecommunication service.
    Definition of “telecommunication”
    (2) In this section and section 327, “telecommunication” means any transmission, emission or reception of signs, signals, writing, images or sounds or intelligence
              of any nature by wire, radio, visual or other electromagnetic system.

Mischief (Section 430 (1)(c) and Section 430(1)(d))
    (1) Every one commits mischief who wilfully
        (c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property; or
        (d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property.

Mischief in relation to data (Section 430 (1.1)(c))
    (1.1) Every one commits mischief who wilfully
        (c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use of data; or
        (d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful use of data or denies access to data to any person who is entitled to access thereto.

call them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37987148)

I personally have started a site called callspamout.com. I find the worse offenders of my spambox and I put their toll free number into the system. A cronjob then creates a .call file for my asterisk box every hour to call them and plays a recording stating I just want removed and then the phone calls will stop.

There are stats and estimates of hour much just *I* myself have cost these people already.

Anonymous? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37987158)

Put in a ticket to Anonymous...?

Fight fire with fire (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#37987190)

Make sure every Spammer and their dog knows their business email address. And keep an eye open for changes to follow suit.

Automated Solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37987194)

Personally, I have a GMail filter setup to handle this. I mean, besides that GMail's SPAM filtering seems to catch 99% off it in the first place (so I guess the best answer is just "use GMail"). I have a canned response email saved with a 10MB attachment (I'd do 25MB but often the spammers themselves have a 10Mb limit). It's actually a PDF scanned at incredibly high resolution telling them to take me off their list. Any time I get a SPAM email, GMail automatically sends them the 10MB automatic response. If enough people did this, their servers would simply run out of room and we wouldn't have this problem.

Sadly they often use hijacked proxies so this has the downside of hitting a lot of innocent people. Sorry for anyone who ends up collateral damage, but in that case, you should have secured your system better to begin with.

Re:Automated Solution (1)

ledow (319597) | more than 2 years ago | (#37987250)

This relies on them even caring, the return address being even vaguely valid and them actually bothering to do more than just redirect incoming mail to /dev/null, let alone bothering to have someone on the payroll who will read emails from people they've spammed.

Try getting them to change your saved email (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37987210)

See if they have a way to *change* your email address. If so, sign up for a service that offers temporary emails, like sneakemail [sneakemail.com]. Replace your real email with the temporary one. Respond to any email you get verifying it. Then delete the email address.

If you're willing to spend money on a stamp... (2)

NotSanguine (1917456) | more than 2 years ago | (#37987240)

Or, even better, if you can get their fax number how about full-color Goatse in the mail or by fax? By email too, but Goatse coming out of a fax machine seems like it would be a nice gift to send them.

Spammers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37987292)

If you can get their e-mail addresses, why not sign them up with those doing the spamming? This way they can gain a first hand understanding.

Complain (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37987298)

Do a complaint.

CAUCE http://www.cauce.org has done exceptional work in Canada in order to fight spam and to pave the way for proper legislation.

So if you have already made clear to the sender that you do not want to receive any further bulk mail ( you used the unsubscribe link, you have sent an email to their support) the sender is accountable by law to stop sending you emails.
Canada is building a Spam Reporting Centre. However it is not in action yest: See here http://fightspam.gc.ca/eic/site/030.nsf/eng/home

The best way is to contact the following people:

1. Your own ISP. Either contact their support desk or see if there is a http://postmaster.ISPNAME.CA or http://abuse.ISPNAME.ca an email to abuse@ISPNAME.ca should also do the trick
2. If applicable the owner of the sending mailserver (most of the senders use third party services which will send the emails on their behalf) These Senders are dependant on the reputation they have at the end use (you and your ISP). They usually act fast. Look in the email headers of the spammail and check the domain name of the IP address. A decent sender will kick out their customers (content providers) if they see that their reputation is in danger.
3. The ISP of the sender. Do a whois lookup on the sending IP address. This should be the hoster of the sender and they should either relay your message to the sender or shut him off
4. The content provider. In this case compu-finder
5. Post on Slashdot

If you have trouble finding the proper abuse contact address for an IP you can use The Abuse Contact DB from Abusix: http://abusix.org/service/abuse-contact-db-beta.

My favorite response (1)

whitroth (9367) | more than 2 years ago | (#37987304)

I read about someone who responded to them with a carefully written contract, saying that they have the email address for business purposes, and by emailing him at that address, they were entering into a business relationship with him. In doing so, they were liable for his billing purposes, and that every email would be billed at his normal billing, in hour increments.

And that continuing to email him was considered an agreement of terms. And ask them to kindly provide their billing address.... and legal service address.

So, 15 of those spam - surely you value yourself at $60 or $100US/hr, if it's consulting on your own time - should be worth a pleasant $900 or $1500US/week for you.

                    mark

Automate your own response? (1)

Pliny (12671) | more than 2 years ago | (#37987334)

The reasonable thing to do is just block everything from their domain or that includes their name.

However that's no fun. What is fun is whipping up a python script and using a service like Tropo to respond to every single message with a phone call to tell them that the email is unwanted. Of course, to ensure that they can effectively identify the offending mail, the script should read it to them in it's entirety and ask them to press a button to acknowledge that they've understood and will stop. If the call gets... disconnected for any reason, it should call back and start over until it gets it's acknowledgement.

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