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First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000032)

Posted using Flash on mobile browsers.

Re:First Post (3, Insightful)

HermMunster (972336) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000764)

Adobe is being stupid. I use flash on mobile every day, most of the day. Very stupid move Adobe.

OMG (3, Funny)

masternerdguy (2468142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000034)

Just in time for the .xxx domains.

Shhh... Listen... (5, Funny)

Petersko (564140) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000036)

My god... it's Steve Jobs laughing.

Re:Shhh... Listen... (0)

sribe (304414) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000064)

I know there were far more important things in his life, still it does seem like a little added injustice that he did not live to see this day...

Re:Shhh... Listen... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000164)

It seems quite fair that he didn't. Really. It does.

Re:Shhh... Listen... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000094)

My god... it's Steve Jobs laughing.

Maybe in the afterlife that nigger Jobs can find something else to control and someone else to take his psychological abuse. He's the classic hypercontrolling Type-A alcoholic anal-retentive shithead and that's why he died young. I am only surprised it was cancer and not heart disease but I guess the alcohol got him first.

People like him already run everything and that's why everything is so fucked. Stop celebrating this.

Your post say more about you than it does Jobs (1)

Picass0 (147474) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000508)

You sound like a very small and insignificant person to have a chip that big on your shoulder.

"Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people."
Eleanor Roosevelt

Re:Your post say more about you than it does Jobs (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000698)

You sound like a very small and insignificant person to have a chip that big on your shoulder.

"Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people." Eleanor Roosevelt

Asshattery 101:

1st: Watch someone point out that maybe there's something wrong with being an asshole and pushing yourself to a early grave just to deliver some shiny frivolous thing that no one really needs.
2nd: Decide you really can't find a flaw in that but gosh darnit he said a few things you didn't like so he MUST be bad.
3rd: Try to make it into a personal attack against that person since you got nothin' else.
4th: Fail to notice that you are now talking about other people and therefore meet your own criteria for being a small person. Also fail to notice that GP was using Jobs as an example of a much larger phenomenon that continues to occur and be celebrated.
5th: Pat yourself on the back and congratulate yourself for being just as clever and special as Mommy always said you were.

Face it, you're an asshat. People in glass houses and all of that.

Re:Shhh... Listen... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000318)

People losing Jobs (750 people) and Steve Jobs laughing, I really believe that

The Whole Web (5, Funny)

gwking (869658) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000050)

But.. but... now how will I get the "whole web" experience?!

Re:The Whole Web (4, Informative)

bberens (965711) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000080)

Easy, you'll use the most recent version of the flash player on your Android device for the next 5 years or so while people migrate.

Re:The Whole Web (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000160)

I wonder how many revisions the "most recent" version of flash player on any given Android device is _already_ behind...

Re:The Whole Web (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000410)

My HTC Thunderbolt powered by Verizon Wireless LTE is exactly zero revisions behind.

Re:The Whole Web (4, Interesting)

xaxa (988988) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000424)

Easy, you'll use the most recent version of the flash player on your Android device for the next 5 years or so while people migrate.

I won't. The "built in" Flash on my HTC Desire keeps trying to update itself to the latest version via the Android Market, which uses the last few MB of space I have for apps. The only way I've found to prevent this happening is to "Clear Data" for the Market app -- deselecting the "Update automatically" box for Flash doesn't make any difference.

This annoys me greatly. It's supposed to be my device, HTC. (I would remove Flash completely if I could. I don't ever seem to visit websites that need Flash on my phone.)

Re:The Whole Web (2)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000630)

Move flash to the SD card. Flash on my N1 only takes up 72KB.

Re:The Whole Web (1)

xaxa (988988) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000780)

Move flash to the SD card. Flash on my N1 only takes up 72KB.

For some reason I don't have that option.

Rather Petty, Adobe... (5, Funny)

Petersko (564140) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000068)

Can't believe they would actually hold out until it was certain Steve Jobs couldn't say, "I told you so!"

Re:Rather Petty, Adobe... (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000208)

Yeah, I'm sure that was the plan.

Re:Rather Petty, Adobe... (1)

Greystripe (1985692) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000232)

Considering how petty Adobe and Apple have been to each other over the years, this comes as no surprise.

Re:Rather Petty, Adobe... (1)

sundru (709023) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000496)

See i wish more companies were like Adobe, they can see a losing argument and innovate on the the next steps. If this was some other big company like IBM or M$ theyd have code cronies hidden away on the dark side of the moon still chipping away at it ..

Re:Rather Petty, Adobe... (1)

davidbrit2 (775091) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000572)

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that were really the case. (As far as the timing of the announcement, at least. I'm sure there are various reasons behind the decision.)

Re:Rather Petty, Adobe... (-1, Troll)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000760)

Can't believe they would actually hold out until it was certain Steve Jobs couldn't say, "I told you so!"

Yep. So on behalf of iOS users everywhere: we told you so.
Let's see, that's it for "openness" and "flash" so far as arguments for Android that have turned out to be colossal bullshit. What's next ?

At last! (5, Insightful)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000076)

Mobile being the future of the Web, it should also means the end of Flash on the desktop in a few years. Nobody's going to waste money doing Flash for the desktop and HTML5 for the mobiles, especially when the desktops can already do HTML5 too.

Applications done in Flash but compiled to Adobe Air is okay, just don't trash the Web with the stupid plug-ins.

Next step: agreeing on a CODEC for the HTML5 videos*. That's gonna be a fun topic!

* doesn't the tag allow for two source files? If it doesn't, it should!

Re:At last! (1)

afabbro (33948) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000112)

Mobile being the future of the Web

OK, who let the Gartner fanboi in...

Re:At last! (2)

Surt (22457) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000624)

It's funny, but he is right. Desktop and laptop sales are already in decline. It's gonna be all virtualization on dense servers and thin clients, just like Sun thought (but about a decade late to save them).

Multiple source files (3, Informative)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000146)

Yes, it does [wikipedia.org] ! Hurray! - Dr. Zoidberg

Re:At last! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000188)

Not only agreeing on a codec, but also, agreeing on some form of content protection! Studios will never allow the use of HTML5 video to deliver their content until they are confident it can be protected. This is the main reason Flash is still dominant in the video space.

Re:At last! (1)

Pi1grim (1956208) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000330)

Actually noone cares about the protections. Studios will either concentrate on quality and convenience of the products delivered or will continue to create more and more elaborate DRM protection schemes untill noone cares enough to buy any of the stuff.

Re:At last! (1)

Canazza (1428553) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000422)

what are you on about?
So long as you can get the absolute reference to the .flv you can download it, regardless as to whether it's flash or HTML 5. Add on to that the fact you can use FRAPS or most other Screen Recorders to capture the video should the stream be encrypted and it doesn't matter either way.

Flash is dominant in the video space because it got there first. The .flv format is reasonably good compression wise, and it plays MP4s as well, so most of the web video is currently encoded in one of those formats. The reason it's staying there in the face of HTML5 video is that most browsers are capable of displaying flash (and therefore the video) in EXACTLY the same way from EXACTLY the same source.

until HTML5 can offer that, or until flash is abandoned by Adobe entirely, HTML5 will lag behind.

Re:At last! (5, Insightful)

grumbel (592662) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000606)

So long as you can get the absolute reference to the .flv you can download it,

That's why a lot of flash is streamed these days, so you don't have a flv that you can just grab out of your Temp folder. If you know a way to easily and quickly download content directly from say http://www.thedailyshow.com/ [thedailyshow.com] , let me know, last time I looked, there wasn't any working one on Linux.

Add on to that the fact you can use FRAPS or most other Screen Recorders to capture the video should the stream be encrypted and it doesn't matter either way.

That's complicated and cumbersome, as it it forces you to not use your computer in the mean time or it will run the video. It also forces you to download in real-time, which is the very thing you normally would want to avoid with a download.

Flash is dominant in the video space because it got there first.

Flash wasn't the first, ActiveX and Quicktime where much earlier. Flash won because it was the best and could do things that no other thing could do at the time. Even today HTML5 is still far away from being a fully working Flash replacement. Remember, Flash isn't just video, it's also a pretty damn good game development platform and animation toolkit.

I fear that the only thing that will change with Flash gone is that webpages will switch to ever more obscure Javascript hacks to protect their content from manipulation. A Flash object can easily and comfortably be blocked with Flashbock, some Javascript hackery is far harder to handle.

Re:At last! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000220)

Actually, A lot of corporations use flash for things like elearning and some of them are generations behind (like fp8 if you're lucky).

HTML5? I still have to support IE8, sometimes even IE7 in my webapps.

Try telling a fortune 500 company they should upgrade all their browsers to the latest IE. I have and its a pretty short conversation. They know the cost will be in the millions and they are more than happy to continue on using ancient technology.

Re:At last! (0)

niw3 (1029008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000242)

If only Jobs could see it...

Re:At last! (1)

Hentes (2461350) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000296)

Multiple source files means multiple times the space usage.

Re:At last! (1)

neonKow (1239288) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000762)

Multiple source files means multiple times the space usage.

Yeah, but you're talking web apps. We care about file size because of bandwidth far more than space usage, because that is where the costs are going to be. And maybe some less significant costs involved in CPU cycles for processing videos (converting into multiple files, etc.?). The end user won't download both source files.

Re:At last! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000374)

Great. Now I'll have to develop HTML5Block to keep websites from doing stupid crap to my web browsing.

Re:At last! (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000430)

It's easier to block ads servers.

Re:At last! (1)

mahomedalid (2503456) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000506)

FYI Adobe buyed Phonegap. "PhoneGap is an HTML5 app platform that allows you to author native applications with web technologies and get access to APIs and app stores. PhoneGap leverages web technologies developers already know best... HTML and JavaScript."

Re:At last! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000568)

Next step: agreeing on a CODEC for the HTML5 videos

Followed by: A solution for LIVE video.

I rarely see this topic (live video) mentioned. ATM, there appears to be no working system for delivering live video in a "one-to-many" format using HTML5. Current (i.e., non-HTML5) options include Flash Media, Windows Media, or Quicktime.

I look forward to being corrected. Seriously.

Re:At last! (1)

pmontra (738736) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000660)

You're right but there is more: we also need a solution for video and audio input, used by video conference and live streaming services.

Re:At last! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000648)

(...)

* doesn't the tag allow for two source files? If it doesn't, it should!

Doesn't matter. The browser sends `Accept' header along the HTTP request, so the server can figure what codecs are supported and serve accordingly.

There is already agreement (5, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000666)

Next step: agreeing on a CODEC for the HTML5 videos

To support iOS devices you need to support h.264.

Thus supporting any other formats mean extra, needless work.

Pretty much any site on the web today tat supports video has already transcoded to h.264.

Hello, de-facto standard.

Really?! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000078)

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if 750 voices screamed out in terror and were laid off. But that noise was overshadowed by everybody else celebrating.

Seriously?? _THAT_ submission made it to the front page with _THAT_ tidbit?? There wasn't another submission that didn't make light of people losing their jobs?

Come on, Slashdot - I know you're trying to generate page views and whatnot to increase revenues but can we please stop being complete asses about it. Eventually you'll start driving people away which will DECREASE page views...

Seriously...

Re:Really?! (1)

peppepz (1311345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000214)

I don't think many people will lose their jobs. Adobe will probably re-target the development tools they sell to produce HTML5 instead of flash. They wouldn't announce the plan to phase out flash without having a viable migration path for their business model.

Re:Really?! (1)

peppepz (1311345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000334)

OK they will. I failed to read TFA.

Re:Really?! (2)

Canazza (1428553) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000442)

750 people are losing their jobs. It says so in the article. Hell, it says so in the Summary. Albeit obtusely.

Re:Really?! (1)

peppepz (1311345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000614)

Yeah, I'm a moron, I think I broke the world record of not even reading TF summary. I had skipped the "layoff part :-P .

Then I strongly agree with the AC I was responding to. Quite an asshole wording they chose.

Re:Really?! (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000704)

FTFA "In order to better align resources around Digital Media and Digital Marketing, Adobe is restructuring its business. This will result in the elimination of approximately 750 full-time positions primarily in North America and Europe."

It doesn't say all the people are getting laid off. Some of them will be moved into Open Positions in other areas, Other Positions were Open and will not be filled. Some may be retiring or quitting anyways, and not will be filled in. If Adobe HR is worth their weight they will be doing this then just canning 750 people.

Re:Really?! (2)

bwintx (813768) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000348)

From TFA (the third one):

approximately $70 million to $75 million related to employee severance arrangements

...which translates to an average of $100K per job. Granted, some folks get a lot and some don't; but in many companies, severance translates to a pittance if it happens at all. Just sayin'.

writing has been on wall (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000100)

In the moment Apple chose not to include Flash support in the iPhone, Flash on mobile devices was doomed. The period between then and now was just the death throes.

Re:writing has been on wall (1)

MadKeithV (102058) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000224)

In the moment Apple chose not to include Flash support in the iPhone, Flash on mobile devices was doomed. The period between then and now was just the death throes.

In a way the situation reminds me of the days when Microsoft killed Netscape by bundling IE. I have visions of years of subpar HTML5 support driven by Apple iOS "quirks", and holding off on HW acceleration on the web just as it seemed to start gaining traction with Flash 11 and WebGL.
Maybe Google can still make a dent with NaCL.

Re:writing has been on wall (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000598)

You do realize that Google (among _many_ others) are heavily behind HTML5 as well, right? Though Apple championed it, they are far (FAR) from the only company involved in HTML5 development and deployment.

Re:writing has been on wall (1)

MadKeithV (102058) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000776)

You do realize that Google (among _many_ others) are heavily behind HTML5 as well, right? Though Apple championed it, they are far (FAR) from the only company involved in HTML5 development and deployment.

Of course I realize that - what I mean is that I fear for a large chunk of the market how it works on iOS will be the benchmark. In that scenario, if Apple decides to be quirky that quirk will end up being the de-facto standard for HTML5. If Apple decides that some part of the evolution of HTML5 doesn't fit into their business model, that part will fail to gain traction. I'm thinking specifically of some form of hardware accelerated 3D (and 2D) for browsers, which seems to now be a lost cause with Microsoft and Apple dropping WebGL, and Adobe taking their mobile Flash 11 ball and going home.

Re:writing has been on wall (2)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000706)

Yeah, not including support for a proprietary, third-party plug-in rife with performance issues and security vulnerabilities is definitely the same thing as pumping a new market with a free product funded by revenues from the monopoly product.

Actually, no, it's not. Not at all.

Re:writing has been on wall (0)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000386)

I thought it was the moment when Apple called out Flash on mobile for being slow, power hungry, and buggy. And Adobe has done nothing to change that opinion in the time since. As many Android fans like to point out, there are far more Android smartphones than iPhones. Flash on mobile has been less than a consistent experience with some liking it and some hating it.

Die, you monster! (1)

T-Mckenney (2008418) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000102)

Buuuurrrrnnnnnnn....

I'm not celebrating (4, Insightful)

nedwidek (98930) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000138)

It is really nice that on my Asus Transformer, every website I've used just works. Compare that to my iPod touch and the iPad where I just get a big lego piece.

Until all websites stop using Flash, this sucks.

Re:I'm not celebrating (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000264)

You misspelled Asus, you put an extra 'u' in there.

You are doing it wrong (5, Funny)

Hentes (2461350) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000344)

You are not supposed to use a browser on an Apple device. You have to download an app for every webpage you want to visit.

Re:You are doing it wrong (1)

Dr Herbert West (1357769) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000416)

MOD PARENT +1 AWESOME!

Re:You are doing it wrong (1)

characterZer0 (138196) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000714)

Why is this modded funny?

Re:You are doing it wrong (1)

edxwelch (600979) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000736)

Because the modders have a sense of humour?

Re:I'm not celebrating (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000620)

Take a minute to complain to those sites. The more they get bitched at the sooner they'll update.

So... you bought TWO devices you don't like? (5, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000632)

So, it is no secret Apple devices don't do flash and yet you bought two... way to go on voting with your dollars.

Buying TWO devices whose user experience you claim sucks. Please tell me you are not allowed to vote. Ever!

Re:I'm not celebrating (1)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000732)

Until all websites stop using Flash, this sucks.

The discontinuation of Flash on mobile devices will be a hugely motivating step.

Re:I'm not celebrating (1)

neonKow (1239288) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000778)

You should probably stop visiting Lego.com

But, but... (0)

Stuarticus (1205322) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000142)

People on Slashdot keep insisting that it works great! All they have to do is wait forever to wait for it to load and be very careful where they click and it hardly ever crashes, why would they ever discontinue it?

Re:But, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000610)

People on Slashdot keep insisting that it works great! All they have to do is wait forever to wait for it to load and be very careful where they click and it hardly ever crashes, why would they ever discontinue it?

You've got a very curious definition of "people on Slashdot", even for a guy trying to apply a blanket stereotype to Slashdot. All I've heard the past decade or so are people screaming for the death of Flash, followed by the zombie-like drone of "glory be to the ascended Saint Jobs who hath returned to the heavens and who hates Adobe" and similar sentiments ever since the icon of His divine providence, the holy iPhone, had proper app support.

Re:But, but... (1)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000692)

If by hardly ever you mean never, that's true. I've yet to see Flash crash on my phone.

It's a shame when a buggy proprietary de-facto (1)

Brannon (221550) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000144)

standard is ruthlessly cut down in its prime by an evil corporation pushing open standards.

Re:It's a shame when a buggy proprietary de-facto (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000196)

Right ... like the connector, FaceTime, etc. It's good to see it dying, but please.

Re:It's a shame when a buggy proprietary de-facto (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000626)

FaceTime is just bog-standard SIP, I believe.

Is this really good news? (1)

Alien Being (18488) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000158)

This description from Wikipedia makes it sound like they're just moving Flash into a bigger container.

Adobe Integrated Runtime, also known as Adobe AIR, is a cross-platform runtime environment developed by Adobe Systems for building Rich Internet Applications (RIA) using Adobe Flash, Adobe Flex, HTML, and Ajax, that can be run as desktop applications or on mobile devices.

Re:Is this really good news? (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000282)

This description from Wikipedia makes it sound like they're just moving Flash into a bigger container.

It's not like they are moving it into AIR. It has always been a major part of AIR.

t%8oll (-1)

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uh (2)

bhcompy (1877290) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000176)

Why does everyone think that HTML5 is the answer when even desktop browsers can't get it uniformly implemented? Mobile browsers are still mostly shit from a compliance and capability perspective compared to the desktop browsers that still can't get it right. Not sure where all this pie in the sky idealism comes from

Re:uh (1)

bobcat7677 (561727) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000542)

HTML does have a long way to go to be "there". But really, this is more about getting away from flash then going to HTML5. It wasn't just Steve Jobs that hated Flash...there were/are many many other people out there (including me) that passionately wish flash was never born. The wild popularity of flash blocking plugins is a small glimpse of that passion.

Re:uh (1)

bhcompy (1877290) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000636)

So what do we use in the meantime that all browsers can implement? Java? That's already proven to be a dog, as much of a dog as Flash.

Re:uh (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000628)

Why does everyone think that HTML5 is the answer when even desktop browsers can't get it uniformly implemented? Mobile browsers are still mostly shit from a compliance and capability perspective compared to the desktop browsers that still can't get it right.

Most browsers installed on mobile devices are based on Webkit, and there is not much reason to change the code from the code for a Webkit-based desktop browser like Safari.

Somebody think of the children (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000218)

And that, my friends, is why you don't hinge your product's "competitive advantage" on somebody else's tech if you can avoid it. A lot of Android tablet makers touted Flash compatibility as a key reason to buy their wares instead of an iOS device even though mobile Flash was always buggy. They were so desperate to get in the tablet game that they latched on to Adobe's buggy tech and prayed Adobe would someday work out the kinks. Now what do they have? Adobe just screwed them all in one move, making Jobs looks like a prophetic visionary and Apple's competitors like desperate idiots.

"Why should I buy this instead of an iPad?" Flash was always a weak answer to that question at best and now Apple's competitors don't even have that.

Laid off (5, Informative)

rabenja (919226) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000292)

My friend sent me an email yesterday: "I'm about to go into a meeting where Adobe is laying off my whole team." He had worked on Flash for many years since Macromedia owned the project. After the meeting he said, "Just got out of meeting, I have a job until April 20, paid thru May 15, decent severance, but job will end."

Re:Laid off (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000440)

Apple's hiring.
http://jobs.apple.com

Re:Laid off (1)

Vince (4999) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000472)

He's in the Bay Area? He'll probably only have 20 new job offers by the end of the week. Must be rough...

Re:Laid off (3, Informative)

rabenja (919226) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000554)

We are in the Minneapolis area where a tech recruiter friend of mine emailed me this morning regarding his layoff: "IT unemployment in the Twin Cities is currently at 1.7%, so most of our clients have to use us because they can't come close to finding/recruiting talent on their own." I do not think that my friend will have much trouble in this area.

Re:Laid off (1)

rayharris (1571543) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000616)

If they had developed a plugin that didn't drain the battery and have reliability and performance issues, maybe they'd still have a job.

Payback (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000306)

Jobs always angled for "exclusivity" relationships with his developers. Adobe broke ranks before Microsoft bailed Apple out in 1997 and Jobs may have been out for revenge. With Apple saying "no" and Microsoft saying "silverlight" and Linux saying "your plugin doesn't work with my system" ... Adobe has few friends.

One closed platform down! (1, Insightful)

StripedCow (776465) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000316)

I feel sorry for the creators of all the flash content, but OTOH, they should have thought better when they chose that platform in the first place.

The next closed platform to tackle, iOS?

Re:One closed platform down! (1)

Surt (22457) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000644)

It's already dieing. Down to the #2 mobile platform, and falling fast.

Flash to HTML5 movement is not new to Adobe (4, Insightful)

Superken7 (893292) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000360)

Everybody knew eventually this was going to happen. Adobe started transitioning to HTML5 years ago. Clearly they aren't there yet, but this is proof that progress is being made. (finally! the end of flash is not near, but it's certainly coming!)

It's almost 2012, I think Adobe is doing this at the right time now that most browsers are starting to be fairly HTML5-complete (as complete as HTML5 itself is, which is not _that_ much).

I know many now think "Steve Jobs was right!". Well, I don't think it took a genius to know that this was coming, Adobe has been preparing for it ever since HTML5 started going big (thanks to Apple and Google, among many others). I would not say this is Adobe "finally giving in" to Steve, because Adobe has never really opposed HTML5 AFAIK. Flash has always been complementary to stuff the web was not ready for; even if we hate flash that's why it existed. Now its 2012, not 2007, and most people are ready to go HTML5 and definitely drop flash (wide browser support, more mature spec, somewhat consistent across browsers, etc.. at least compared to 2007).

Flash block (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000368)

Oh great, now there is no easy way to block all the bloat of surfing the internet. These were truly the glory days when ad block + flash block created a nice browsing experience. We will soon be subject to every ones personal animation framework; coded in fancy html5 with loads of hacks to get it to work on each browser, no easy way to block it and helpfully running at 99% cpu util.

Egocentric much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000388)

Everyone hates flash and would like to see it removed from the browser. And suddenly it was all Jobs' idea?

GOOD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000398)

I wish they would stop development of their Crashplayer everywhere... especially on Linux...

I dream how YouTube will stop using that piece of shit... and go for 100% WebM and let IE suck on a WebM plugin..

Soon enough... soon enough..

Re:GOOD (1)

JDG1980 (2438906) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000518)

I dream how YouTube will stop using that piece of shit... and go for 100% WebM and let IE suck on a WebM plugin..

Sorry, but WebM is inferior to H.264 in virtually every way. That said, there's no reason why YouTube couldn't determine what the browser supports, and target its output that way. Flash-compatible systems get that, others get HTML5 in either H.264 if available or WebM if not.

I don't understand why the open source browsers don't simply allow H.264 to be decoded through the hardware's built-in functionality. Nearly every GPU (discrete or integrated) made in the last 5+ years supports this.

Re:GOOD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000774)

> Sorry, but WebM is inferior to H.264 in virtually every way.

You are a liar.

Artists? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000488)

I'm hoping that someone will release an HTML5 tool that provides Artists the same capabilities that Flash did. I don't really care about the Flash platform, but the Flash tool has a large community of Artists that have built up a lot of expertise with it.
I don't want to move off Flash until my Artist actually has something to move to. I'm sure Adobe is working on something, but I'd prefer an open source solution (not because of money).

Flash is a Problem on My MacBook Pro (2)

BoRegardless (721219) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000514)

Mobile is only one problem area. Flash has unexpectedly quits on wake from sleep on my MBPro.

How many years have these problems been going on?

finally.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38000690)

they finally realized flash is shit and hopeless, after trying it on android.

Spread the news: The monster's dead! (1)

bedwards (1937210) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000694)

I'm just thinking of all the ways I can break the news to the "web developers" working in east london offices painted a plethora of shades of white (with a suspiciously vibrant green fern) and insist there is more difference between their mac pro and my intel based workstation than a piece of fruit, that they can no longer list ActionScript as their primary programming language!

Plenty of fun ways but none lacking in cruelty :)

Not quite following some things. (0)

sunking2 (521698) | more than 2 years ago | (#38000734)

While the video aspect of it seems a no brainer, I'm not following how the apps will work.

Supposedly you can translate from flash to air in which case it becomes a locally installed app.

My question is how will the facebooks of the world like this? You no longer need their website, you just run the app. I can't see this very good for them as far as revenue from ads/hits, etc. And how is this supposed to jive with apple's vision of the world where everything must be done via iTunes? I can't see them changing their tune. Again, if you need to grab all these from iTunes and not directly from the website you are on where is the incentive for Facebook to continue deploying more apps?

I must be missing something.
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