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HP Delays WebOS Decision

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the on-second-thought dept.

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itwbennett writes "Following Tuesday's report that HP is looking to sell WebOS, CEO Meg Whitman and HP employees gathered for a late-afternoon meeting. According to The Verge, Whitman told those gathered at the meeting 'It's really important to me to make the right decision, not the fast decision,' adding that a decision would come in the next three to four weeks."

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The HP Way (4, Insightful)

Hope Thelps (322083) | more than 2 years ago | (#38005452)

"a decision would come in the next three to four weeks".. and then a reverse decision every three to four weeks thereafter.

Re:The HP Way (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#38005470)

"a decision would come in the next three to four weeks".. and then a reverse decision every three to four weeks thereafter.

I wonder if the decision process will outlast Meg's tenure at HP.

Re:The HP Way (1)

residieu (577863) | more than 2 years ago | (#38005486)

Meanwhile, WebOS will continue to languish unwanted, losing even more of its value.

Re:The HP Way (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38007290)

0 is still 0 unless you allow negative value, then I'll sign up for free money!

Re:The HP Way (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38005578)

September 16, 1991. Today it finally began! After all these years of talking and nothing but talking we have finally taken our first action. We are at war with the System, and it is no longer a war of words.

I cannot sleep, so I will try writing down some of the thoughts which are flying through my head.

It is not safe to talk here. The walls are quite thin, and the neighbors might wonder at a latenight conference. Besides, George and Katherine are already asleep. Only Henry and I are still awake, and he’s just staring at the ceiling.

I am really uptight. l am so jittery I can barely sit still. And I’m exhausted. I’ve been up since 5:30 this morning, when George phoned to warn that the arrests had begun, and it’s after midnight now. I’ve been keyed up and on the move all day.

But at the same time I’m exhilarated. We have finally acted! How long we will be able to continue defying the System, no one knows. Maybe it will all end tomorrow, but we must not think about that. Now that we have begun, we must continue with the plan we have been developing so carefully ever since the Gun Raids two years ago.

What a blow that was to us! And how it shamed us! All that brave talk by patriots, "The government will never take my guns away," and then nothing but meek submission when it happened.

On the other hand, maybe we should be heartened by the fact that there were still so many of us who had guns then, nearly 18 months after the Cohen Act had outlawed all private ownership of firearms in the United States. It was only because so many of us defied the law and hid our weapons instead of turning them in that the government wasn’t able to act more harshly against us after the Gun Raids.

I’ll never forget that terrible day: November 9, 1989. They knocked on my door at five in the morning. I was completely unsuspecting as I got up to see who it was.

Read more... [avrtech.com]

Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38005476)

Can't HP just keep their business strategy for the next year or so to themselves?
Sheeesh.

So Sad (1)

milbournosphere (1273186) | more than 2 years ago | (#38005592)

This company's fucked. It's been bent over and pounded on by so many different 'short-term thinking managers' that I'd be surprised if it could walk in a straight line, much less maintain a consistent business strategy. If corporations were people, HP could file rape charges.

Re:So Sad (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#38005706)

I don't know. I disagree with Meg Whitman's politics, but I think she's got a good shot at this.

Then again, the whole thing could go under even if they had the best managers ever steering the ship because the damage is already done.

Re:So Sad (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 2 years ago | (#38005806)

Whatever makes you think she is a good manager?

Re:So Sad (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 2 years ago | (#38006012)

Whatever makes you think she is a good manager?

What makes you think the GP thinks she is a good manager?

Re:So Sad (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#38006876)

I'm not saying she's a good manager, just looking over her history at eBay, it wasn't that bad and she seemsn better than Apoetheker. Well, let's face it, slime on a rock face would be better. Still.

Re:So Sad (1)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 2 years ago | (#38007256)

Someone in a coma would have done a much better job than Apoetheker.

Re:So Sad (1)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 2 years ago | (#38010212)

Steve Jobs considered her a 'bozo'. When Jobs got rid of the Apple board in 1997, she was suggested to him as a member of the new board, he declined.

Re:So Sad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38005810)

It more falls on the HP Board of Directors who tossed a CEO that was was actually thinking long term (Mike Hurd) and replaced him with some software guy that wanted to make HP into the company he previously ran into the ground.

Cursed? (1)

jbwolfe (241413) | more than 2 years ago | (#38005636)

Somehow it all seems cursed. Assuming it has vestigial BeOS bits in it, the history includes having been shunned on Apple hardware, not bought out by Apple, then bankrupted by Microsoft's anticompetititve practices, firesold to Palm who evolved too late to make a difference, acquired with great promise by HP who failed to capitalize and finally made a rash decision in thinking it has no value. Can't it get a break from all the turmoil?

Re:Cursed? (2)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#38005854)

Palm may have bought BeOS, but webOS is built upon Linux with a fairly standard GNU userland with a few proprietary bits and toolkit centered around HTML/CSS/JS (along with a native devkit.)

Can't it get a break from all the turmoil?

It'd be a steal for Samsung/Intel if they could snag it and open it up as part of Tizen. Squeeze out some efficiencies on ARM (and the native toolkits to boot) and leave the GUI a blank slate, and they'd have a ready to use platform that was fully open source at all phases of development.

On the other hand, it could be bought by someone and allowed to rot like the mobile platform company Motorola bought ages ago.

Re:Cursed? (1)

jbwolfe (241413) | more than 2 years ago | (#38006050)

Would you happen to know if any of it is closed. I thought it was somewhat similar to OSX- BSD Darwin with Aqua as an interface. BeOS was all closed but partially POSIX compatible- what a shame it never went open. I just figured Palm had to have something in mind when they bought the remains of the company.

Re:Cursed? (1)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 2 years ago | (#38005876)

Palm never really did much with their BeOS code, and HP doesn't even own it (PalmSource, makers of the Access Linux Platform, do.) webOS was killed by a fickle market and the incompetence of HP and Palm, not by any kind of curse in an unrelated product.

Re:Cursed? (1)

funkboy (71672) | more than 2 years ago | (#38006082)

Somehow it all seems cursed. Assuming it has vestigial BeOS bits in it

Nope, Access owns BeOS [wikipedia.org] . They used the multimedia bits in their Access Linux platform [wikipedia.org] .

Where you're right is that both BeOS & PalmOS have a long history of being championed by companies unable to gain sufficient for their technology...

Choose AnalingusOS instead! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38005724)

It happened when I was 19, a guy I met a guy in my College library took to his dorm and turned me around having pulled pants down. I figured he wanted to eat me doggystyle, when he stuck his tongue up my anus...

7 years later and more than 30 partners of all shades; half of whom have performed analingus on me, has me thinking its perhaps the new cunnilingus and 10 years time it will be part of foreplay.

PS: I return the favour.

Your thoughts.

Re:Choose AnalingusOS instead! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38006232)

>Your thoughts.

Deja vu.

Re:Choose AnalingusOS instead! (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#38006272)

I really wish i could understand the mentality of the sad mind that posts this stuff. What is the possible gain from this?

Re:Choose AnalingusOS instead! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38009718)

People reacting? Just ignore. Oh, and mods, please don't mod up my post and mod the parent down. If you leave one post in a chain with a positive moderation it becomes much more likely the whole chain will be seen by casual readers.

There's only one smart decision. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38005754)

Sell WebOS. Even if HP decides that the OS has a solid strategic future, their release of the TouchPad only to can it in under two months will raise significant doubts in the mind of customers and developers.

By selling it off to another company, those doubts will be of less significance - HP can license the OS from the buyer if they want to release products built on it, but knowing that primary development will be away from HP, and that companies other than HP can (and, hopefully, will) release hardware will raise the chance of the system flourishing in the marketplace.

It'd be a shame to see it die - having diversity is a good thing; much as I'm something of an Apple fanboy, I'm not blind to the need to have solid alternatives. If HP holds onto WebOS, I can't see it doing anything else - so please, HP, for the sake of WebOS, and the world community, let it go. Sell it to a good home.

There's a smarter decision.. (1)

tobiah (308208) | more than 2 years ago | (#38006750)

open-source it, and license it freely as with Android. This will attract developers and grow the market for WebOS devices. It will do much more to remove doubts about the longevity of the platform, because it will no longer be in any one company's hands.

Re:There's only one smart decision. (1)

bhartman34 (886109) | more than 2 years ago | (#38010912)

Sell WebOS. Even if HP decides that the OS has a solid strategic future, their release of the TouchPad only to can it in under two months will raise significant doubts in the mind of customers and developers.

What makes you think WebOS would be an attractive buy for anyone? Palm and HP both bungled it. It's hard for me to imagine some other company picking up the ball and running with it.

Can we stop caring already? (1)

Quantum_Infinity (2038086) | more than 2 years ago | (#38005886)

HP board is a bunch of retards that is determined to screw up a perfectly good company. I think it's time for rest of us to move on and let HP be.

WebOS user (1)

identity0 (77976) | more than 2 years ago | (#38005896)

As a WebOS user on the Palm phone, I will be sad if it dies. It seems a decent OS, and the only complaint I have about the phone is its hardware (bad keyboard, short battery life).

Any other users here?

Re:WebOS user (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38006240)

Bought a firesale Touchpad, it's a wonderful interface, and solid Hardware. I just bought it to throw android on It, but I Genuinely love WebOS now... I hear it's an absolute mess under the hood, but I hope SOMEBODY brings out new hardware for it, it's too good an interface metaphor to just abandon.

Re:WebOS user (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#38006290)

Finally upgraded from my Palm Pre Plus to iphone 4S. I REALLY was hoping Palm was going to make something great out of WebOS. The Pre Plus hardware was nice and i never got the bad keyboard or any other mechanical issues and it ran pretty damn good.

Re:WebOS user (1)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 2 years ago | (#38006312)

One of the (relatively) few U.S. users of the Pre3 here. First WebOS device I owned, though a Touchpad came only weeks later. Great system as a whole. The hardware on the Pre3 is finally up to snuff after a long history of issues like he ones you described. Other than a frustrating unwillingness by HP to provide a software keyboard when in portrait mode, the whole package finally feels like something competitive with the big 2. After playing with WebOS phones for a few years I really think the poor hardware, and unwillingness to offer a non-hardware keyboard model was a big mistake. That said, despite the much improved battery life, the Pre3 is still noticeably quicker to drain than the (broken) iPhone 4 it replaced. If you like the platform and get a chance its a great phone, and with modern specs it could last you a few good years. Assuming apps aren't a big pull for you of course. I bought mine because of broke my iPhone, but didn't qualify for an upgrade. While I really think the interface is the best out there, I will be the first to admit it will likely be retired in a year or so for an iPhone 5 or perhaps and Android something. But that depends on HP and their support as provided by the App Catalogue. Still considering it has great specs and I got it for $140 without contract I'm really glad I went WebOS. If HP or somebody gets a real ecosystem going, and offers a range of models I would likely not jump ship in the future. But I don't hold out much faith sadly.

Re:WebOS user (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38006514)

I exclusively use keyboard phones. Landscape slider phones. I absolutely hate the touchscreen-only design, have never owned one, and don't plan to. But I would choose a touchscreen phone over the original Palm Pre. They keys were just too damned tiny and I had to press them with my fingernails in order to hit only one key at a time. In fact the entire phone was just too small.

Re:WebOS user (1)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 2 years ago | (#38006948)

Yeah I know that there are quite a few die hard physical keyboard folks out there, especially in the biz world. Clearly thats a key market for anybody. I think my beef was more to do with browsing the web in landscape mode. You either have to learn to type sideways with the keyboard out, or rotate the phone, type, and rotate it back. The option to pull up a software keyboard would be simple to implement and please everyone if it was optional. Personally I wish they had offered 2 models, the current Pre3 and a slightly thinner one without the hardware keyboard- after years of iPhone I would likely go for the smaller one.

Re:WebOS user (1)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 2 years ago | (#38007566)

The homebrewers had a virtual keyboard available not that long after the original launch of the Pre.

Re:WebOS user (1)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 2 years ago | (#38008404)

Problem is, unless I'm mistaken, it is known to often cause serious lockups. As in pull out the battery type. But if I'm mistaken then great. Time to hit Google I guess.

Re:WebOS user (1)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 2 years ago | (#38008488)

No, freezing was a problem with a beta Palm virtual keyboard in WebOS 2.0 for the Pre2, which was not enabled in the release versions of 2.0 (because it was broke) but homebrewers figured out how to enable. Not a problem in the original homebrew virtual keyboard of the Pre-/+ (maxed at 1.4.5) that I'm talking about.

Re:WebOS user (1)

bhartman34 (886109) | more than 2 years ago | (#38011162)

I used a Palm Pre (the original on Sprint) for two years. It was a decent phone. I didn't even mind the keyboard. What drove me away was the appalling lack of apps for it. Keep in mind: At the time I abandoned the platform, it didn't even have a Kindle application yet. (I'm not sure if any of the phones do, even now, even though I know the TouchPad does.) Palm and HP both dropped the ball on that. A beautiful OS with a dearth of apps might as well be an ugly OS, for all it matters.

Re:WebOS user (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38016690)

I used a Palm Pre Plus for almost 2 years. Just replaced it with an Android phone; still miss the ability to flick the open programs around and close them by flicking them away. Still the best multitasking metaphor I've run into on mobile.

Jean Louis Gassée, ex-employee and creator of (4, Interesting)

UpnAtom (551727) | more than 2 years ago | (#38005928)

Turning to HP, this week was their Board’s opportunity to solidify its reputation for incompetence and bad manners. They rose to the occasion.

http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/09/25/how-bad-boards-kill-companies-hp/ [mondaynote.com]

... BeOS (1)

UpnAtom (551727) | more than 2 years ago | (#38005944)

Someone fix /. already.

PS. Gassée's blog is the best I've read.

How would you do this as an SQL injection? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38009244)

Delete user where name == michael_kristopeit*

Re:Jean Louis Gassée, ex-employee and creator (1)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 2 years ago | (#38006122)

Thanks for posting that! I always liked Gassée and was wondering what he'd got up to.

Re:Jean Louis Gassée, ex-employee and creator (1)

UpnAtom (551727) | more than 2 years ago | (#38006842)

You're welcome - I'm glad I had people to share it with. I have zero geek friends, even on FB.

His posts on Apple have been great. He talks about Apples' BeOS vs Jobs decision with humility too.

Re:Jean Louis Gassée, ex-employee and creator (1)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | more than 2 years ago | (#38015618)

Another "me too": Thank you! Some great articles there

e.g.
This one reveals some interesting history between True Type -- Apple licensed TrueType FREE to Microsoft!?
http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/04/11/the-adobe-apple-flame-war/ [mondaynote.com]

Re:Jean Louis Gassée, ex-employee and creator (1)

kermidge (2221646) | more than 2 years ago | (#38009562)

Perfect quote. Thanks for that link, made great reading. Interesting site, as well.

Credit where due, at least Meg's almost on record about wanting to make a right decision. Could be a first. She seems to have been saying some of the right things recently (appearing thoughtful, balanced, realistic); it remains to see what comes of that.

D'you happen to know of a good study on why any innovative, successful company ends up a bad board? It doesn't seem to be a rare occurrence.

The Verge (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 2 years ago | (#38006104)

Have you guys seen theverge.com ?
For a bunch of geeks who left whatever site the left, in some sort of righteous exodus, they sure put together one shitty looking site.
I don't think I'll ever go back there again.

Total visual cacophony. Or cacorasi. I DON'T KNOW GREEK.

Re:The Verge (1)

level380 (2427256) | more than 2 years ago | (#38006602)

Yep all the engadget dudes left and went and started the verge, but I agree, its one ugly mother of a site!!! But joshua topolsky loves it and that all that matters. That guy things he walks on water! His a Steve Jobs 2.0 in his eyes.

Re:The Verge (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#38008570)

For once I agree with you. They need to lighten up on the javascript too. Geez.

Who cares? (1)

LoudNoiseElitist (1016584) | more than 2 years ago | (#38006354)

Oh look, and indecisive company who doesn't know what to do with an OS that consumers don't want. Why don't they just let it die and move on?

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38008274)

Who says consumers don't want it (the OS)? For that matter, how did you end up speaking for me - I for one want this.

You assume, and in doing so, have made an /ass/ of /u/ and /me/.

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38019888)

Because people want to use WebOS. Everyone that I know that used it, loves it. The problem is that most people didn't even know that it existed before the TouchPads got sold at the extreme discounted price.

Well, I'm reassured (1)

aiken_d (127097) | more than 2 years ago | (#38006432)

As a developer and longtime HP fan, I am encouraged that they have announced that they don't have an announcement, but that they will announce a future announcement at which time they will announce an event where they will announce a decision. Surely this will catapult them back into relevance!

Damage control (1)

CHK6 (583097) | more than 2 years ago | (#38006444)

HP is in complete damage control right now. The wrecking ball of Leo has done far more damage than Carly ever did. Leo literally shook the confidence in HP investors and customers. Meg is doing a good job of damage control from Leo's decisions and the boards embarrassment of letting Leo get away with he did do in such a short amount of time. The board was asleep at the wheel and when the king made his appearance, he had no clothes. Meg is better off pulling a Monty Python making a statement to the effect, "please disregard the bozo before me, now back to our program." Mark Hurd had a plan and the only thing that derailed him was his ummm.. taste in party planners. HP was moving in a visionary direction. Meg just needs to get back to the ground work Mark was laying.

WebOS has to stay within HP. HP bought it for a reason and that reason couldn't have shifted as fast as one thinks. The software margin are far larger than hardware, so it makes sense to keep it and develop it. Meg announced that HP is a hardware company, then to sell hardware it helps to have software to fill out a portfolio. Then the best guess is to open source WebOS and have something akin to Android, but still the oversight of Apple.

Re:Damage control (1)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 2 years ago | (#38006966)

Really? You think that Leo made decisions like that without the board's approval? LOL! The board agreed with every last announcement Leo made. This wasn't a Leo issue, this was an "HP's board has no fucking clue what they're doing". They now keep making announcement like they have been with no action to test the waters of wall street. Do you really think these "rumors" about webos, the pc division, etc. are just rumors? They're being floated by HP marketing to watch the stock market to determine what to do. They literally have NO IDEA what they're doing. At this point they're just praying that they don't get murdered any harder than they have, because they'll ALL be out on their asses. To be quite honest, I can't believe they aren't all already out on their asses. The only reason they aren't is because the board and the executives of companies no longer actually answer to their investors; they answer to the hedge fund managers who control their real investors funds.

Re:Damage control (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38008484)

From what we know about American executives and their habits, it's obvious that "the rumors...floated by HP marketing" are a way for HP execs to manipulate the stock market and time when to cash out. That's what business is all about these days.

Not likely (1)

CHK6 (583097) | more than 2 years ago | (#38009564)

From what I read Leo was some how crowned by a handful of the board members hastily, while many more were still unhappy of HP forcing Mark out. Many on the board saw leaving the post open to long after Mark as a bad sign as no one internally was suited/groomed for the position.

The board in their haste (which is their fault, as the blame bucket is passed around) didn't realize their newly appointed king had no clothes. Just a few handful of people were made aware the weekend prior to Leo's "el grande vision" was announced. Then the oh'crap edict was handed down, the board immediately started deliberating on sacking Crazy Leo. If this was a few centuries prior, you would have seen the king's court rush the balcony and push the king over the railing.

This is pure and real damage control. This is no falsely devaluing the company in the hopes of selling off HP. You might as well say the Apollo moon landing was a Hollywood hoax too. The board has a tight reign on Meg and she knows it and is willing to play the part. Just listen to her during the meetings. HP board is trying to right the ship and plug the holes Leo opened up.

There is no doubt Leo is pure toxic. Any company willing to bring him in is insane! HP's board of directors were caught asleep at the wheel and Leo crashed the car.

Re:Not likely (1)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 2 years ago | (#38011554)

Righhhtttt, which is why the first thing out of Whitman's mouth was that Leo wasn't acting alone, and that she had no plans to change his plans for the company. If you think a CEO at a company that size makes announcements like that without board approval you simply have no idea how a company that size works. Leo wouldn't even legally have the ability to sell off ANY division of HP without board approval. What the hell makes you think a veteran CEO would make an announcement on plans he couldn't enact without getting approval first?

Re:Damage control (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38011610)

Look at HP now and look at how Sculley getting rid of Jobs prevented this from happening to Apple. Can HP survive? Time will tell.

What she meant: (1)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 2 years ago | (#38006882)

"I'm really hoping that the bloggers can come to a consensus so I know what to do. I've never actually had to make a decision while in a leadership decision, and I'd hate to have that change now."

Re:What she meant: (1)

NemoinSpace (1118137) | more than 2 years ago | (#38008572)

Then she added "We're really just seeing how far we can push the stock down this quarter, after all this is still all Leo's fault - right Carly?"

But this is the wrong decision (1)

rastoboy29 (807168) | more than 2 years ago | (#38007666)

The real decision should be whether to open source it or not.

If they had a lick of sense, they'd give that a shot.

But they don't.  And they won't.

Android really needs some competition...(and no, that crappy iOS doesn't count--I mean real, proper, open source OS competition).

Re:But this is the wrong decision (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38009110)

YES! They should open source it. I know they paid $1.2 billion for WebOS, but there are so many companies making so much money off of open source, they'll make back their money in no time. Look how much Google has earned off of Andriod! I don't know exactly what it is, but it's used on 56% of smartphones [dailytech.com] so I'm sure it _A LOT_.

Re:But this is the wrong decision (2)

rtfa-troll (1340807) | more than 2 years ago | (#38009868)

there are so many companies making so much money off of open source..

Red Hat, Oracle and IBM are making plenty of money of FOSS Linux. Almost all of Google's future revenue stream would be at threat without Android (since Apple and Microsoft would love to lock them out of the market) I think you would find that there are quite a bit of benefits from controlling the fundamental platform that others build on.

they paid $1.2 billion for WebOS....

The fact that you even mention the money they paid shows that you have no clue. Please look up, learn about and fully accept sunk costs [wikipedia.org] . The existence of Android means that the maximum cost for a mobile phone operating system is just a little more than zero. Further, it means that, in order to sell an operating system for zero you are expected to provide full source access. Companies which use Windows Phone expect to get massive subsidies (e.g. for Nokia, order of billions to tens of billions of dollars).

The value of WebOS for HP is that they are a company which is about to be locked out of a bunch of different markets. Mobile is being divided between Apple and Google, with Microsoft desperately fighting to get a look in. Databases are being divided between IBM and Oracle, with Microsoft taking some of the low end. The embedded interfaces market looks like it's going to go 100% Android with maybe a small exception of the short term US market. PCs and Printers are stagnating. Open sourcing WebOS, probably with an agreement with IBM which knows how to play well in FOSS, would be a play which could disrupt that market and produce a space for HP to sell it's products in future.

What HP needs to do is to make something that is properly guaranteed to stay open source; not like Nokia did where they failed to get others to contribute because clearly controlled the user experience and use that to collect together the Manufacturers who are afraid of Google's level of control of Android and know that collaboration with Microsoft always leads to commoditization and margin squeezes.

Re:But this is the wrong decision (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38018950)

Red Hat, Oracle and IBM are making plenty of money of FOSS Linux

So HP can sell support contracts for WebOS? No you say. Then it's a database right? No again? Wait.. I know, WebOS is used on so many devices that HP can sell consulting services to people who use it.. that's it right? No again... Hmm.. starting to think your examples are for completely irrelevant things that don't apply to HP.

Almost all of Google's future revenue stream would be at threat without Android

Oh.. ok.. that explains it! HP sells lots of advertising and can set the default browser in WebOS to their search engine to earn the money they didn't make from WebOS sales. No you say? You say that's stupid because HP doesn't have a search engine or advertising to sell. Huh.. Why didn't I think of that?

Red Hat sells tech support, Oracle sells databases, IBM sells consulting services, and Google sells advertising. Red Hat is the only one of your examples that is primarily focused on open source.. so it would most apply, but no one is ever going to pay for support for a phone OS, and even RH makes next to nothing selling the OS. So where are these companies making money off of open source? They make money off of things related to OSS.. not OSS itself. So why don't you explain what related product HP will earn money off of if they open source WebOS.

The existence of Android means that the maximum cost for a mobile phone operating system is just a little more than zero.

That's just silly. So I assume you also think the price of a desktop OS is $0 because Linux exists right? Well let me tell you about a little $60billion/year company called Microsoft.

Open sourcing WebOS, probably with an agreement with IBM which knows how to play well in FOSS

IBM?! WTF does IBM have to do with phones?

PCs and Printers are stagnating. Open sourcing WebOS

So PCs and Printers, two of HPs largest divisions, are stagnating, so lets just give away a 3rd division? What does one have to do with the others? If 2 divisions have problems, then don't they need to develop a new product to replace those? Your example is like saying, I just lost my job and my checking account is empty, so lets give way the money in my savings account.

Re:But this is the wrong decision (1)

rastoboy29 (807168) | more than 2 years ago | (#38043660)

No, they don't make money off it directly.  But who do you think controls the platform?

But no, I'm sure your plan is much better.

...and I wouldn't have said it was a good idea to pay a billion dollars for WebOS!

Public Statement of Confidence in Yourself (1)

Serindipidude (939235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38007702)

The decision is a proxy for your own confidence of being a premier IT solution provider who can turn out a working useful OS. Decision to sell means you have confidence someone can do it becuase you can't. How about you just let them do your job instead?

HP Customer? Not hardly. (1)

saihung (19097) | more than 2 years ago | (#38008524)

I bought a Veer, which I like but which also has some pretty blindingly obvious bugs and deficits. HP announced the WebOS hit 3 days after I bought this device. Pretty simple; if HP really abandons my brand-new phone them I'm not buying another HP product again, ever. They did the same thing to my OfficeJet 5500, fine, but only after I'd had it for five years. Not 3 bloody days.

Ice to an eskimo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38008656)

The decision to offer a touchpad with every pc purchase was great, though they should have offered it for free as a vertical integration with other services that can bring recurring monthly revenue. The problem here is that there isnt enough margin in any PC sale to allow a touchpad to be given as a courtesy so instead they have to charge 150 dollars for each one. No one will buy one and it will never catch on.

Its Conflicted ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38008746)

Very Conflicted.

_)e

In future desktop PC will replace portable PCs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38009732)

In future desktop PC will replace portable PCs, so Kill the PC, transform it into a portable star-trek-style handheld Tablet, in various form factors for personal, enterprise uses.

Its a shame (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 2 years ago | (#38010408)

'It's really important to me to make the right decision, not the fast decision,' adding that a decision would come in the next three to four weeks."

Its a shame they didn't know that before killing the touchpad ... announcing that they are leaving the PC business ..... announcing that they are not leaving it ... and so on

Sigh. I hate being late to the party . . . (1)

indytx (825419) | more than 2 years ago | (#38010730)

I'm posting this as probably one of the last people who was still using a Palm Pilot. I only recently quit using my Palm Pilot because of the d--n Touchpad that I bought for next to nothing. I'm not in any way an HP fan, but this whole thing has me so disappointed. Let me get this straight, when I finally get ready to upgrade to a smartphone the nice OS that I've grown to love on the tablet that I bought on the cheap is probably dead? Maybe. Are you f--king kidding me? I buy one of your tablets (Thanks, Apotheker!); I grow to love the tablet; the tablet's simple interface which would be perfect for a phone is ALREADY ON A PHONE, BUT HP'S KILLING IT OFF? Maybe? Has anyone on the HP board even tried WebOS? I can almost, almost understand while Carly gutted the calculator line. Almost, since I've been using the same HP 32S for over 20 years, apparently oblivious to planned obsolescence and the need to sell me more s--t. But that's just it, they want to sell me more s--t. Maybe HP is psychologically incapable of making a decent piece of hardware that lasts and doesn't require expensive supplies (HP printer division, I'm talking to you).

I'm now essentially back to Android or iOS after having never considered WebOS until I used it, and it will probably be Android once I find the best phone for the best price which doesn't have too annoying a skin on it. Of course, since I'm not buying Apple there are CHOICES, and I'm going to have to actually "shop" for a phone unless I want to talk to phone salespeople. Sigh. If I had just bought a WebOS phone last year, I would be pissed that the OS was being killed off but at least I would have had a good year or two knowing that I could trade in my phone for a new one next year. Two years with a dying OS? That's a different story. If I had been an early adopter, I think that I would have been happier being hosed.

Re:Sigh. I hate being late to the party . . . (1)

Deadguy2322 (761832) | more than 2 years ago | (#38015250)

Enjoy using a second-rate piece of shit due to ignorant fanboyism, loser!

Another bad move! (1)

twiddler69 (2504140) | more than 2 years ago | (#38014584)

So how is waiting 2-3 weeks going to fix things? People are flocking away from WebOS because of it's lack of support, and with Android for Touchpads just around the corner, I feel HP's decision will be too late! They need to decide now, or the user base will decide it for them!

No big deal for devs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38015390)

The good news is if you are already dumb enough to still be a WebOS developer at this point, you're dumb enough to keep plugging away on your app while awaiting the final decision. You're also dumb enough not to care that there are about 3 users left, and most of them don't want your app, since it's so dumb, having been designed by a dummy like you. DUMMIES!

Sorry HP/Palm/Handspring/3COM/US Robotics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38019660)

In the time you folks have been trying to figure out if you are going to release a new phone or anything running WebOS, I have replaced my phone, ported all the applications that I wrote and what a few other wrote for PalmOS and WebOS over to that new phone, and am now replacing the system that had all the development tools installed.

You have been replaced. Accept that fact and move on.

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