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Judge Rules Twitter Data Fair Game In Wikileaks Investigation

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the who-needs-anonymity-anyhow dept.

Communications 72

Wired reports that "The Justice Department is entitled to records of the Twitter accounts used by three current and former WikiLeaks associates, a federal judge ruled Thursday, dealing a victory to prosecutors in a routine records demand that turned into a fierce court battle over online privacy and free speech. ... The Justice Department has been seeking the Twitter records under 18 USC 2703(d), a 1994 amendment to the Stored Communications Act that allows law enforcement access to non-content internet records, such as transaction information, without demonstrating the 'probable cause' needed for a full-blown search warrant." Jacob Appelbaum, one of the three, was also detained on his re-entry to the U.S. last August (as well as on numerous other occasions) and had his email records seized as well. The others are Birgitta Jonsdottir (a member of Iceland's parliament) and Dutch businessman Rop Gonggrijp.

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Fourth Amendment down the drain (4, Insightful)

k6mfw (1182893) | more than 2 years ago | (#38016422)

eom

One thing you can be sure of (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38016724)

Joe Paterno is a windows user. As is Sandusky.

Re:Fourth Amendment down the drain (1)

Weezul (52464) | more than 2 years ago | (#38016798)

Does this mean they get the (real?) names of everyone who followed these guys?

Re:Fourth Amendment down the drain (5, Informative)

blueg3 (192743) | more than 2 years ago | (#38016842)

No.

They get whether or not the three individuals sent direct messages to one another and what IP addresses they used. They get no content of any messages and they get no information about anyone other than the three named individuals.

Re:They get no content of any messages (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 2 years ago | (#38017698)

I'd bet my lunch you're wrong there. Your post assumes we have anything left of privacy. When someone invokes magic words about Security Threats all that goes away.

Re:They get no content of any messages (1)

blueg3 (192743) | more than 2 years ago | (#38023082)

That's good, I need some lunch.

My post does only address what is covered by this case -- not what the investigators could possibly request (and successfully obtain) in the future.

Re:Fourth Amendment down the drain (1)

Larryish (1215510) | more than 2 years ago | (#38018728)

Speaking as a U.S. citizen, I can honestly tell you...

We are totally fucked.

Re:Fourth Amendment down the drain (1)

Bucky24 (1943328) | more than 2 years ago | (#38018884)

While you have a point (that I agree with), I'd just like to point out that the Justice Department had to ask to get the records. They couldn't just grab them without a judge agreeing.

Re:Fourth Amendment down the drain (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021692)

Apparently, you do not know or understand what the Fourth Amendment says. Those suing really have no standing because the information being requested is the property of a third party and not the individuals. This is the on-line equivalent of asking a bank for a copy of it's security camera recordings.

Also, I am guessing you are an over-entitled and probably over-grown child who has been taught that one has a right to privacy in a public forum or even a semi-private forum. One does not have a right to privacy in a bar, restaurant, bank, or any place where other people are free to come and go.

Re:Fourth Amendment down the drain (1)

Beyond_GoodandEvil (769135) | more than 2 years ago | (#38024892)

One does not have a right to privacy in a bar, restaurant, bank, or any place where other people are free to come and go.
Bzzzt, wrong, try again Perry Mason. If your supposition was correct then bars could make crazy money installing webcams in the ladies bathroom, after all people can come and go right?

Re:Fourth Amendment down the drain (1)

KingBenny (1301797) | more than 2 years ago | (#38047898)

let's suppose we already knew this, why do people involved in high risk activity use emails with their names on, or twitter accounts for that matter ? the need to go down in history? it seems to be that need that brings them down anyway, but maybe not in history ...ego my dear frendz, ego ... the mitnick didnt boast on national tv he was going to hack the man did he ? got caught anyway, i know, 9 out of 10 its ego and boasting and the feeling of i'm the man that leads to sloppy behaviour

Judge Also Rules Analingus Data Is Fair Game (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38016444)

It happened when I was 19, a guy I met a guy in my College library took to his dorm and turned me around having pulled pants down. I figured he wanted to eat me doggystyle, when he stuck his tongue up my anus...

7 years later and more than 30 partners of all shades; half of whom have performed analingus on me, has me thinking its perhaps the new cunnilingus and 10 years time it will be part of foreplay.

PS: I return the favour.

Your thoughts.

Re:Judge Also Rules Analingus Data Is Fair Game (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38016698)

My thoughts:

1) You're right. Heaven is a warm tongue working over my asshole. Nirvana is my tongue probing my partner's asshole, with zest and abandon.

2) Do you normally give a reacharound when your partner is performing analingus on you, thus completing the routine known as the rusty trombone? If not, you should really suggest it. It's great fun for all parties.

Re:Judge Also Rules Analingus Data Is Fair Game (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38017920)

I, as a lesbian, enjoy sticking my fingers in my partner's dripping twat when I perform Analingus. Is there a term for this for us females?

I know they got my info somewhere (0)

Cito (1725214) | more than 2 years ago | (#38016468)

I've donated several times to wikileaks, support them on facebook, reshare their posts, own a tshirt as well as host a wikileaks mirror my name is undoubtedly somewhere in that mess of paperwork haha

Re:I know they got my info somewhere (1, Offtopic)

lavagolemking (1352431) | more than 2 years ago | (#38016720)

And now they have your Slashdot UID. If they didn't have your name before, they probably have it now...

Re:I know they got my info somewhere (1)

Cito (1725214) | more than 2 years ago | (#38016916)

I've never tried to be anonymous with wikileaks though I wouldn't mind martyr'ing myself for the cause... free health care in jail :) as I have no health insurance atm that would be really nice

Re:I know they got my info somewhere (1)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 2 years ago | (#38017070)

I wouldn't mind martyr'ing myself for the cause..

Thats because you want to use wikileaks for your own personal gain, much like Assange himself. Sorry, he'll do his best to insure you don't get to take any of his spotlight.

free health care in jail :) as I have no health insurance atm that would be really nice

The 'free health care' in jail is no better than what you already have. You can in fact, go to the emergancy room and get health care right this instant, its not even a little bit hard. You can in fact, tell them you have absolutely no intention of paying them ... and they'll help you anyway! Now they aren't going to give you braces for your snaggly teeth, but neither will the prison doctors, so you must be rather fucking stupid to think going to jail is an upgrade to your existence. Any 'good' free thing you can get in jail, you can also get ... for free ... outside of jail ... at better quality levels, even the bleeding asshole that goes with the gang raping you'll get.

Re:I know they got my info somewhere (1)

Cito (1725214) | more than 2 years ago | (#38017120)

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2011/06/22/man-goes-to-jail-to-get-health-care-benefits-should-you/ [aol.com]

Smart motherfucker :)

and I wouldn't mind doing the same

Re:I know they got my info somewhere (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 2 years ago | (#38017172)

OOh, an AOL.com article. You showed HIM.

Also, Bettridge's law of headlines states that the answer to AOL's headline question is "No".

Re:I know they got my info somewhere (1)

mspohr (589790) | more than 2 years ago | (#38017314)

It is a myth that you can get health care just by walking into any emergency room and not have to pay.

If you have a real emergency (i.e. bleeding) then they will patch you up and then pursue you relentlessly for their outrageously overpriced "services". If you truly have no assets, you can probably ignore their bill collectors but if you have any assets or income, they will come after you and they will get their money.

However, emergency care is not health care. You can't get a physical exam or routine tests to determine if you are healthy. You can't get a workup for those unusual symptoms you have been having. You can't get routine care if you have a chronic medical condition such as high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, etc. In any of these cases (which most people consider "health care"), you will be sent home with instructions to "see your doctor". If you don't have health insurance, you are SOL. You will have to wait until you have advanced disease and are ready to die. Then they will patch you up (although often it is way too late to do anything useful).

Re:I know they got my info somewhere (1)

Cyberllama (113628) | more than 2 years ago | (#38018338)

The 'free health care' in jail is no better than what you already have. You can in fact, go to the emergancy room and get health care right this instant, its not even a little bit hard. You can in fact, tell them you have absolutely no intention of paying them ... and they'll help you anyway! Now they aren't going to give you braces for your snaggly teeth, but neither will the prison doctors, so you must be rather fucking stupid to think going to jail is an upgrade to your existence. Any 'good' free thing you can get in jail, you can also get ... for free ... outside of jail ... at better quality levels, even the bleeding asshole that goes with the gang raping you'll get.

Not unless he shoots himself in the gut first. Without a genuine emergency, they are not obligated to treat you and will not. And emergencies aren't things that will kill you, just things that will kill you immediately. If you have cancer they don't have to do anything until you collapse on the brink of death, and by then anything they do will be too late to matter.

And whether you intend to pay for not, you almost certainly will--unless you have no assets and never plan to work again. I guess you're off the hook if you die--which is a real possibility. People can and do die all the time in this country simply because they have no health insurance--many of whom would gladly pay for it if the insurance companies would allow them to. Much as you may wish to scoff at the idea, going to jail could save your life if you are one of those people. Your non-emergency pre-existing condition can be treated BEFORE it reaches the point where it's a untreatable life-threatening emergency.

Re:I know they got my info somewhere (1)

Zorque (894011) | more than 2 years ago | (#38017142)

Mentioning the t-shirt first and then casually throwing in that you host a mirror of the site is kind of an odd set of priorities.

Hey Governments (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38016618)

Don't want something to leak out? Then don't do something where you can get caught with your pants down.

This just shows how free the common man really is.... not.

Re:Hey Governments (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38016948)

Is this the same school of thought which assures us that the Patriot Act is nothing to worry about, because "if you're not doing anything wrong, why would you care?"

Because it sounds really similar, and I totally agree with that line of thinking, as well.

Re:Hey Governments (1)

niftydude (1745144) | more than 2 years ago | (#38017046)

No it isn't the same school of thought. The school of thought of (most) wikileaks supporters goes: democratic governments don't have a right to privacy - they are of the people and for the people.

Individuals in contrast, do have a right to privacy.

Re:Hey Governments (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 2 years ago | (#38017214)

The problem is that it flat out doesnt work in reality. Why dont we give Iran and Israel both all our top military and nuclear tech? Im sure that middle east problem will resolve itself.

Or why dont we make all diplomatic talks with China or N Korea public? Why didnt we make public all of the intel ops surrounding the Bin Laden strike? Why not have all our advisors tell the world what they think regarding Greece's situation, Im sure THAT wont hurt markets. Why not have the nuclear launch codes be public, since they technically belong to the public?

It sounds great, until reality intrudes, and you realize that for all the problems with TOO much secrecy, none whatsoever isnt much of an improvement.

Re:Hey Governments (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38017492)

I disagree. All of those talks should be public as well. I'd rather take the risks of causing harm by knowing what the government is doing than allow the chance for them to lie.

Re:Hey Governments (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38017846)

Why not have the nuclear launch codes be public, since they technically belong to the public?

Welcome to 7 years ago, 00000000 [slashdot.org], and you're welcome :)

Re:Hey Governments (1)

niftydude (1745144) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021586)

I didn't say I agreed completely - I just explained what the school of thought was.
However - in your response you seemed to have missed my main point against the Patriot Act - which was that even considering everything you raise - personal privacy should still trump national government's privacy.

The government wants to keep military secrets? I agree - with the proviso that there should be a statute of limitations on those - at which point the public gets to know.
However - my desire to not have the government know which girl I happen to be chatting to at any one time IS MORE IMPORTANT in a free society than any military secret. The government should never be privy to such information, the government should not have an option to peruse my communications in 10 years time, the government should just stay out of individual's private communications.

It is because I consider INDIVIDUAL privacy so important that I find things like the Patriot Act so abhorrent in a so-called democratic society.

Re:Hey Governments (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38022044)

The problem is that it flat out doesnt work in reality. Why dont we give Iran and Israel both all our top military and nuclear tech? Im sure that middle east problem will resolve itself.

Oh boy would it ever.

Re:Hey Governments (2)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 2 years ago | (#38017196)

Thatll show them for using diplomacy instead of just bombing the shit out of people!! Diplomatic wires want to be free! Incarcerate Tsvingerai! Free Zimbabwe!

How about framing people for rape? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38016634)

Ok so now we know what the government CAN do... question is... what CAN'T they do? Is framing someone for rape "fair game"?

Re:How about framing people for rape? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38016756)

Apparently it is.
http://radsoft.net/news/20101001,01.shtml

One Way to Free Speech (4, Interesting)

Bob9113 (14996) | more than 2 years ago | (#38016668)

There is a question raised, occasionally, of freedom from government versus freedom through government. It should be apparent, by now, to everyone that Free Speech cannot be had through the U.S. Government. They no longer defend the clear expressed will of The Constitution. That leaves us only one choice for the defense of Free Speech: Darknets.

If you've got the skills, get a darknet node up now, and begin teaching your less skilled friends how to do so. It is the only chance we have of retaining our right to Free Speech. And as so many of The Founding Fathers made so clear, Free Speech is the most important right for the defense of democracy. Without Free Speech, we are no more than a tin-pot dictatorship in sheep's clothing.

One important note before you venture there, though: Truly free speech can be a horrifying thing. I have seen things on I2P that have forced me to run back through the logic that leads me to the conclusion that the good of Free Speech outweighs the bad of it. There are things out there that are painful to see if you stumble across them. My advice is this: If you think it might be there, and it might be disturbing; do your very best to avoid stumbling across it. The worst you can imagine is a good enough representation of what is there -- you don't want to see it. Seriously. I heard the same advice but did not take sufficient care about what links I clicked on. It is so profoundly disturbing that I considered uninstalling I2P, despite my absolute conviction that darknets are necessary.

This is what escalation in the war on Free Speech leads to. Sigh. Those images in my head are because of the MAFIAA and the authoritarians. They did this. And I hope someday they suffer for it. They are monsters.

Re:One Way to Free Speech (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38016744)

With apologies to Voltaire....

http://despair.com/freedom.html

Re:One Way to Free Speech (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38017006)

American's freedom is gone, their rights are gone, and they can't change it back through the 'legal' system or the 'democratic' system because both systems are now much too corrupt. Give up, it's over, there is nothing you can do anymore. The USA simply had inadequate separation of powers: the government makes the law, then it also chooses the judges who are tasked with upholding the law. The central government also has way too much control over the police and other authorities - the government keeps giving the authorities more power and authority because it knows the authorities work for itself.
And it gets even more blurry: homeland security can introduce secret evidence in trials. That means if you are accused of something, and they introduce secret evidence, you don't get to see that evidence and neither does your lawyer - you can't attack this evidence, and there's no certainty the evidence is real and not a fabrication to begin with. It's an easy way to put people in jail for crimes they did not commit, that power is in the hands of the authorities, and not even judges can choose to reject secret evidence!

Where are the USA now?
Corporations and lobby groups rig elections by helping their chosen candidate's campaign. They even control the media and can censor candidates who would rather respect the interest of you, the people. And if a politician who cares about the people did win the elections, corporations have enough to buy him off. People who absolutely can't be bribed are 1 in a billion. That's 7 people on Earth at most.
Authorities have too much authority. Look at the TSA putting check points on highways! (In case the "Cancer machine or groping, your choice!" policy in airports was not enough to bother you).
Police abuse their power and get away with it. They're covered.
Government violates people's rights and gets away with it. Groping, exposing people to radiation, locking people up for years without ever giving them a trial, torture, secret evidence in court, wiretapping, unreasonable intrusive investigation of people are only suspects of something in a paranoid man's mind, etc.

What can you do?
Nothing. Your government now owns you and your family. Stop complaining and fighting it, because you can't win anymore. Voting won't work. Lawsuits won't work. Play along, it's best for everyone including yourself. Sorry, but time for change was 20 years ago. You failed to see the danger coming because you didn't care enough, and now you pay the price. Stop resisting, it's over.
I don't mean to sound cynical. I feel terrible for the American people, I don't wish anybody to be denied freedom and human rights, but that's the way it is now and nothing can be done anymore. I sincerely think that Americans would be better off going with the flow at this point.

Re:One Way to Free Speech (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38017436)

I sincerely think that Americans would be better off going with the flow at this point.

I prefer to just leave. I like to think I could watch it fall apart from a safe distance, but I fear that USA is going to be dragging everything it can down with it for quite a while.

Re:One Way to Free Speech (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38017870)

I wish it were that easy to "just leave". American imperialism is alive and well. More so today than in the past. We may not have been like Europe. Not ever. We are a thousand times worse today though than Europe ever was.

Re:One Way to Free Speech (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38017012)

Freenet also has a darknet option. How is I2P different?

Re:One Way to Free Speech (2)

JustSomeProgrammer (1881750) | more than 2 years ago | (#38017434)

Not that I disagree with you... but I'm not seeing what free speech has to do with this issue.? In an environment where anything violating free speech is illegal there would be no privacy. This issue is about privacy and protection from unreasonable search I would think. In a government that outlawed anything that prevented speech or information from not being free, they would not have to even get a warrant to read your "private" tweets or "private" emails.

Re:One Way to Free Speech (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38017876)

It certainly is possible to have absolute freedom of speech and still have privacy. You'd have to make sure that none of your information gets out, of course, but you could still have privacy (and people that, say, break into your house and publish information, would be punished for breaking into your house in the first place).

 

Re:One Way to Free Speech (2)

Bob9113 (14996) | more than 2 years ago | (#38018400)

This issue is about privacy and protection from unreasonable search I would think.

Primarily, and on its face, I completely agree. And I don't want to suggest that those issues are not vital to our Nation. They are. It is only that I believe that Free Speech is the most important right in the protection of our Nation (Nation in the metaphysical sense, not our borders or governing bodies).

The threat to freedom of speech from this is more subtle, and relies on the assumption that government is inherently imperfect. If one has a government which is imperfect and hence liable to occasional abuse of power, then the inability to speak without the fear of discovery by the government becomes an implicit threat to free speech. Some things must be said anonymously or pseudonymously in order to ensure that complete candor in the public discourse may exist(*). One historical major example is Hamilton, Madison, and Jay using the pseudonym Publius to publish the Federalist Papers.

* Note that this is the same reasoning behind politicians having privacy protection regarding their discussions with their staff members -- the only difference being that the privacy of government officials in the performance of their official duties is a privilege that We The People grant them -- our right to it is inalienable and granted by the creator.

Re:One Way to Free Speech (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38022612)

There is a question raised, occasionally, of freedom from government versus freedom through government. It should be apparent, by now, to everyone that Free Speech cannot be had through the U.S. Government. They no longer defend the clear expressed will of The Constitution. ...

No shit, Sherlock.

So when are you all gonna wake up and STOP VOTING FOR POLITICIANS WHO THINK BIG GOVERNMENT AND HIGH TAXES ARE GOOD?!?!?!

Geez, the /tards really ARE tards. They mod something like your post up to +5 because they hate government erosion of freedom, but then they turn around and want the government to hold their God-damned wussieified pee-pees for them. "We want free health care!"

Re:One Way to Free Speech (1)

cavreader (1903280) | more than 2 years ago | (#38023640)

Who is denying you your Freedom of Speech? The real danger of free speech is when people use it to spread the total bullshit and paranoid delusions included in your post. Free Speech also does not absolve you of the consequences of your speech. If you really want to practice what you are ranting about please post your full name, home address, telephone number, SSN, and your bank account numbers along with the necessary passwords.

Public Outrage and Revolution in 3...2...1... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38016670)

...sound of crickets chirping...

Re:Public Outrage and Revolution in 3...2...1... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38017856)

tumble weed

Fourth Amendment Abuse (3, Insightful)

rabidmuskrat (1070962) | more than 2 years ago | (#38016754)

This really seems like quite the abuse of the fourth amendment. The whole lack of a need for probably cause is extremely troubling.

A nasty blow to privacy.

Mod points? (1, Interesting)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#38016770)

What is happening? Lots of posts were just modded down...is this a bug in Slashdot or is it tinfoil time?

Re:Mod points? (-1, Troll)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#38016908)

Could be a lot of things, although I doubt it's a bug. Could be someone with mod points is smoking crack, someone with mod points works for the DoJ, someone with mod points is a T - Party* Wikileaks (and OWS) hater, or one of the fools who mods someone down just because they're on his "freaks" list.

I'm sure it will straighten itself out when more folks moderate. Most good comments eventually get modded up.

However, both you and I should be modded offtopic, because we are (I wish the "no bonus" buttons worked).

* the T stands for Tard unless you're a T-Party member who belongs to the top 1%. T-Partiers are fools following the Koch brothers and working against America and their own interests.

Re:Mod points? (1)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021860)

I'm sure it will straighten itself out when more folks moderate. Most good comments eventually get modded up.

No, most good comments taking particular stances on certain issues will be modded up. I've seen utterly countless excellent posts been modded down that disagreed with every other highly moderated comment.

It also frightens me slightly that between you, betterunixthanunix, and k6mfw, not one of you can conceive of a person disagreeing with the /. groupthink for any reason other than being paid to do so, or "smoking crack". It goes to show how narrow the /. groupthink can make a mind through extended exposure.

Re:Mod points? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#38023144)

It also frightens me slightly that between you, betterunixthanunix, and k6mfw, not one of you can conceive of a person disagreeing with the /. groupthink for any reason other than being paid to do so, or "smoking crack".

This wasn't in response to a comment I disagreed with, it was in response to a comment wondering why interesting comments had been voted down. Modding down a comment simply because you disagree with it is usually bad form.

Re:Mod points? (1)

k6mfw (1182893) | more than 2 years ago | (#38018134)

> What is happening? Lots of posts were just modded down...

probably some shills with mod points, I got dinged for disagreeing with the judge's decision (I was getting multiple troll awards but now back into "insightful").

Just Repeal It Already (3, Interesting)

organgtool (966989) | more than 2 years ago | (#38016784)

If we're going to completely ignore the Fourth Amendment, could we at least repeal it so that we don't have to live under the false pretense that it still has any meaning? I mean, how hard is it to get a damn warrant these days?

Re:Just Repeal It Already (2)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#38016982)

I mean, how hard is it to get a damn warrant these days?

Not nearly as hard as amending the Constitution. Why go through the bother of a Constitutional amendment when you can simply ignore the Constitution?

Like the guy said. (5, Insightful)

AftanGustur (7715) | more than 2 years ago | (#38016824)

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.

--Abraham Lincoln

Habeas Corpus? (3, Insightful)

Quila (201335) | more than 2 years ago | (#38017206)

Lincoln ignored a court's ruling that his detention of people without habeas corpus was unlawful since the Constitution reserved the power to suspend habeas corpus to Congress alone.

Congress later approving the action does not make it right. He did what was at the time blatantly unconstitutional.

Re:Habeas Corpus? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38017238)

So he knew first hand that it was possible to destroy from the inside.

I'd say he's one of the best people to say that statement then!

Re:Like the guy said. (2)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#38017576)

He should know. He was the one that destroyed it. Has any President commited more unconstitutional acts than Lincoln?

Re:Like the guy said. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38022286)

FDR, in a landslide.
We're going to confiscate all your gold now without paying fair market value, thanks.

is the law an ass, or the rider? or both (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38017234)

That is such patent bullshit. The law, as a vehicle for justice, is nonsense. All this work to find out guilt when they could just cut to the chase and hold them underwater. After they drown, you can decide if that means they were innocent or guilty. Won't hardly matter, it will surely clear the case.
And then, it makes it a lot easier for the accused to decide if they want to shoot the people coming to arrest them.

Who is surprised? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38017268)

.gov already has a contract with facebook, twitter, google. To them, its just another choicepoint.

The problem with a large number of you Americans.. (2)

CapuchinSeven (2266542) | more than 2 years ago | (#38018384)

The problem with a large number of you Americans (and I say this as someone that, for the most part, likes visiting and likes the American people, it's hard to not like you when you grew up watching Back to the Future in the 80's) is that you've forgotten the lessons of your forefathers, it is the responsibility of a proud and patriotic citizen to question, criticise and shout at their governments. Crying out that if you don't all get in line then "the terrorists win" and swallowing everything your government tells you is something a stupid man does.

Re:The problem with a large number of you American (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38019190)

You got all that from Back To The Future?

Or did you watch Teen Wolf too?

No eating yur dogfood? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021062)

Seems like Jacob Appelbaum should start using more the software he co-develops (Tor) and using less Twitter.

I worry if this will bite me... (1)

Kamiza Ikioi (893310) | more than 2 years ago | (#38023180)

I wrote a blog post on my site on how to mirror the Wikileaks website on your smart phone anonymously using some simple tools. Jacob Appelbaum tweeted about this, and we followed each other. Then shortly after, this all happened with the Twitter info and the stops at the border. I watched his live tweeting with a bit of worry for myself.

Why do agencies want Twitter and email information? Appelbaum is a smart guy, part of the Tor project, so you can bet anything that is sensitive is encrypted. What they want are connections. And that disturbs me when it comes time to spread blame.

In the UK, they sent people to prison for Facebook posts. I really don't want to get locked up like Bradley Manning for a damn blog post on how to mirror a website using your phone: http://i8-d.com/2010/12/05/mirror-wikileaks-anonymously-on-your-android-phone/ [i8-d.com] Then again, some might say, "Well, then you shouldn't have written it." To that I say, even if it meant going to prison, I'm glad to have stood up for free speech.

Not that I'm totally idealistic. Prison is not my idea of a neat-o claim to fame. I have a family, a son, and a good job. Who the hell wants to put "Felony conviction - Federal conviction for accessory to treason," or whatever strange and trump up charges they are trying to come up for these people, on their resume?

On the other hand, if nobody stands up to corporate censorship, what kind of world will my son grow up in?

The chances are probably low that they'd come after me for not actually doing anything illegal, but when has that stopped them before? In the search for a scapegoat, any goat will do.

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