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Kindle Fire Will Be Hotter Than iPad This Holiday

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the get-them-while-they're-hot dept.

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zacharye writes "Amazon's upcoming Kindle Fire could be the hottest tablet on the market this holiday season, with demand that may even surpass Apple's blockbuster slate, the iPad 2. Results from a recent survey published by electronics shopping guide Retrevo.com suggest that more consumers are interested in purchasing Amazon's upcoming tablet than Apple's tried and true iPad. As a result, the site speculates that the Kindle Fire represents Apple's first real competition in the tablet space."

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258 comments

SNL summed it up well (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38019428)

Re:SNL summed it up well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38019594)

Holy frack, there are so many off-site scripts on that page that I can't even figure out what to enable to get to the video.

Re:SNL summed it up well (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38019730)

Watch it here. [youtube.com] People who use excessive scripts should be fed to the sarlaac.

Putting one on pre-order for my wife (3, Informative)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019444)

If they can't fill the order before Christmas, I'll cancel & order an iPad 2 for my wife. Apple has very quick turn-around.I got an engraved iPod Touch for her last year with free 2-day shipping.

Re:Putting one on pre-order for my wife (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38019590)

Engraved? Don't you mean "can't be sold used"? You are willing slaves and collar yourselves. Wow.

Re:Putting one on pre-order for my wife (2, Funny)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019634)

It's an iPod touch. After two weeks, the back's going to be so scratched that you won't even know it was engraved....

Re:Putting one on pre-order for my wife (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019722)

How do you know he didn't engrave it with "Recommended retail price: $399"?

What I want (2)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019604)

I want something that can be like a Roku or Apple TV. I want Video out for my TV. I want it to cost about $200. I want it to play Hulu, Netflix and Amazon Instant Video. If it play apple itunes video all the better. And I want it to have decent but not excellent pad function so I can take it ont car trips instead of my laptop. Finally, I want an OS that will be updated (e.g. ice cream sandwhich or later). Anyone have one?

Re:What I want (3, Interesting)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019664)

The reason Roku & AppleTV are so cheap is that they don't have a display, lithium battery, or enough flash to store content. You want high res display, capacitive touch screen, storage, and portability, you are not going to pay $200 any time soon.

Even the Kindle Fire is a loss leader. It will never be as flexible as an iPad because that way Amazon would never make their money back.

Re:What I want (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019900)

To an extent I disagree, the iPad isn't going to be as flexible as it could be as long as Apple continues Steve's obsession with controlling how the end user uses the product. Hopefully with Steve gone they can remember who the customers are. Consequently, I'm not so sure that the Fire is going to be that much less flexible than the iPad.

Re:What I want (5, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#38020082)

The rest of the Apple marketing team continues to roll on the floor with laughter ever time they hear this. When will it become clear that the mindset you espouse is but a rounding error on some spreadsheet?

Re:What I want (1)

Shadowmist (57488) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019724)

Apple's iOS has had two or three major upgrades since the release of the original iPad.

Re:What I want (2)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019950)

Well, you can actually do most of that with Motorola's Droid X2 (and probably other Android phones). I've got a decently long HDMI cable laid out in my living room. One end in the TV, the other ending up near the couch. Plug it into the phone, enabling "mirror mode" -- everything on the phone's screen shows up on the TV in 720p -- and use the phone as a sort of remote. I also use a mini-speaker to get better sound quality than the built in speakers are capable of.

For Netflix, baseball, and football, I use the appropriate apps. For Amazon Instant Video, you have to navigate to the website (and tell it to use the full version), but you can then play the videos full screen and they work fine. Hulu Plus has an app, but I'm not a subscriber, and they won't let you play their free content on an Android. I doubt iTunes works, but I've never tried, so who knows?

It's not a tablet, so it can't replace your laptop, but hopefully there are some tablets out there with similar features. Honestly, these features would be better on a tablet, since it would mean you could take a phone call without interrupting the show for everyone else.

Re:What I want (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#38020088)

I want something that can be like a Roku or Apple TV. I want Video out for my TV. I want it to cost about $200. I want it to play Hulu, Netflix and Amazon Instant Video

And I want Olivia Hunt to give me a nice hummer.

Re:Putting one on pre-order for my wife (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#38020076)

Out of curiousity, I just placed another order, and the delivery estimate was Nov 17-22. The one I pre-ordered on day one says Nov 16.

could = will? (5, Insightful)

mkraft (200694) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019446)

Since when are "could" and "will" synonymous?

Re:could = will? (1)

planimal (2454610) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019466)

since amazon paid the sourceforge network to publish this farce of an article

Re:could = will? (4, Informative)

RazorSharp (1418697) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019688)

The sad thing is that when there's dupes - one with a sensational (and inaccurate) headline and the other with an unsensational (and accurate) headline - the sensational headline makes it to the front page whereas the other gets buried as a dupe. It's not that the community actively works to create inaccuracies and sensationalism, it's just that those are better at catching people's attention.

'Could' transformed to 'will' is probably the most common headline error on /. 'Could' stories aren't interesting - that word usually indicates an opinion piece (usually in the form of a blog) or some shoddy survey (such as this article). People tend to glance over them. 'Will' stories tend to be either a conclusion with legitimate research to back it up or a bait and switch of 'could.' So we look for 'will' and overlook 'could.'

I only post this nuanced examination into the phenomenon in hopes that it inspires others to bury these could = will stories before they can escape the firehose.

Re:could = will? (2)

Shadowmist (57488) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019732)

I only post this nuanced examination into the phenomenon in hopes that it inspires others to bury these could = will stories before they can escape the firehose.

You forget they know that Slashdot's main audience is a bunch of FOSS nazi's that live for the eventual hope that Apple will either die or be forced to convert iOS to a command line interface.

Re:could = will? (1)

Noitatsidem (1701520) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019998)

Wait, I'm hoping that? Wait, I'm not on a Linux desktop (at this very moment, anyway.) Wait, I optionally installed it on this computer... and it wasn't packaged with Windows, "you actually bought that DVD you burned it to!?" is how this message comes across to me. Also, yes, I am running steam Right now and should be playing Skyrim instead of replying to you.

iPad already on sale (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38019450)

And how many iPad 2s has Apple already sold? Does Amazon have enough stock of the Kindle Fire to even come close to the installed base of iPads?

Amazon has great PR. Barnes and Noble has been selling a similar device for a year with no notice for the most part. Amazon probably paid the Microsoft extortion fee, unlike B&N. I'm pretty sure Amazon won't be helping developers of cyanogenmod to port their kernel.

Re:iPad already on sale (1, Insightful)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019696)

> Amazon has great PR.

Yup. Bad deal on this sucker. Little internal storage and no slot to add more because they want you tightly tied to them forever. So unless you have a Prime account and can use their cloud save your pennies and pay the extra $50 for the B&N tablet or sacrifice a little CPU grunt and go for the Kobo for the same $199.

Maybe Apple should make a smaller one? (3, Interesting)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019468)

I'd suggest that apple should make a 7" tablet so they can compete at the same price point. But maybe it would be better to wait and see what the user experience is like on these. It seems like it would be too small.

Re:Maybe Apple should make a smaller one? (5, Funny)

hardtofindanick (1105361) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019532)

Impossible, we all know by now that apple only innovates and never imitates. I think apple will go for 6.9" or 7.1".

Re:Maybe Apple should make a smaller one? (4, Informative)

jbolden (176878) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019574)

Apple doesn't get into prince wars. They give away market share against competitors that are willing to lose money and focus on profitable segments of the market.

Re:Maybe Apple should make a smaller one? (2)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019670)

Exactly! Why would one of the most profitable companies in the world want to change their insanely successful strategy and go low end to compete with a loss leader?

Re:Maybe Apple should make a smaller one? (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019972)

In military terms few things are less successful than an old successful strategy. You have to have change-ups to win in the long term because otherwise the other guy knows what you're going to do.

Re:Maybe Apple should make a smaller one? (5, Funny)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38020032)

Plus Steve Jobs is pining for the fjords.

Re:Maybe Apple should make a smaller one? (2)

dgood (139443) | more than 2 years ago | (#38020038)

Yeah, so the military should stop using weapons because that's what the other guy knows they're going to do?

There will always be a market for a company that caters to the high end of the market as long as they have appropriate products for that market segment. Sometimes even when that market is very, very small (i.e. Rolex, Ferrari) but you can still be very profitable.

Re:Maybe Apple should make a smaller one? (4, Interesting)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 2 years ago | (#38020114)

Since the only thing Apple has done that has been successfully predicted over the last decade is make money hand over fist, I I think they are doing just fine. Much better than most militaries these days.

Re:Maybe Apple should make a smaller one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38020084)

Apple doesn't get into "prince" wars because they know Purple Rain sucked.

Price is low because of subsidy, not size. (5, Insightful)

guidryp (702488) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019578)

A 7" iPad would cost about $400.

The Fire is cheap because it is essentially a subsidized POS terminal for Amazon store.

Apple is not going to follow that model.

Re:Price is low because of subsidy, not size. (3, Insightful)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019636)

Yes, Apple runs the iTunes store a non-profit charity.

Re:Price is low because of subsidy, not size. (5, Interesting)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019666)

They run it as an at-cost loss leader. Amazon has great streaming selection but a crappy tablet, so they subsidize the tablet. Apple has a great tablet but doesn't offer streaming as a complementing option, so the subsidize the things they do offer.

Re:Price is low because of subsidy, not size. (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019678)

They require 30% of sales. That's brick and mortar overhead costs, not online sales.

Re:Price is low because of subsidy, not size. (1)

gumbi west (610122) | more than 2 years ago | (#38020006)

They publish their balance sheet. They don't make much money on the stores.

Re:Price is low because of subsidy, not size. (0)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019726)

Price is low because of subsidy, but it's not below the margin. Apple could easily drop the price by $50-80 and still shovel money as fast as they can.

Re:Price is low because of subsidy, not size. (1)

guidryp (702488) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019898)

Fire is below margin according to most reports.

Apple could drop the price $50 and still make money, but why would they? Apple only sells products where it can make a good margin. That also would do little to close the gap on a $200 subsidized tablet.

Re:Price is low because of subsidy, not size. (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 2 years ago | (#38020000)

Price is low because of subsidy, but it's not below the margin. Apple could easily drop the price by $50-80 and still shovel money as fast as they can.

CITATION NEEDED. From what I've read from the breakdown on parts, Amazon is selling the fire below cost especially considering the lower volume compared with the iPad.

Sure, Apple could drop the price but what would they gain in return? They are currently selling virtually every iPad 2 they make within a week off the factory floor.

Re:Price is low because of subsidy, not size. (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38020206)

There was exactly one source that was saying that Fire is sold below cost, it was just wildly cited and re-cited all over the Net until it became an "everyone knows" kind of thing - e.g. like this [tomsguide.com] . I've seen several people pick that analysis apart for numerous reasons (e.g. apparently some components were price-estimated at retail, not what they actually cost for a large production run) - can't give you the link easily, but some of that discussion was right here on /.

Re:Maybe Apple should make a smaller one? (1)

v4vijayakumar (925568) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019842)

also iphone mini, iphone nano and iphone shuffle..

Re:Maybe Apple should make a smaller one? (1)

sunfly (1248694) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019880)

Not gonna happen. Apple only makes premium products at high margin. Amazon is selling this at or below cost, and making money selling the content.

in other news (0)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019476)

in other news hell has frozen over and Satan is skating to work. Not that i want apple to rule the mobile world i really think they do control the mindshare right now.

Re:in other news (0)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019538)

rm "would"

if only there were a edit button

Re:in other news (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#38020112)

if only there were a edit button

Chuck Norris doesn't need an edit button. If Chuck Norris doesn't need one, neither does Slashdot.

Don't give a shit (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38019490)

Not buying a pad of any sort this season. Screw them all.

Re:Don't give a shit (1, Flamebait)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019680)

Except a maxi pad, apparently, because you are seriously PMSing today.

Great News Everybody!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38019504)

Sounds like a great piece of news, with graphs large enough to fill a commercial.

Speculative news just isn't interesting unless you're got some personal investment into the brand. Sports fans love to speculate about their home team. Articles like this are like your irritating militant libertarian neighbor who breaks into spontaneous preach every time the politics can opens in conversation. It's not that he's wrong, it's that it contributes nothing to the conversation and our knowledge of the world.

Getting old (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38019526)

More articles about iOS vs Android than articles about what either one of them can do for the end user. Is this really what it's all about? Which one sells more? Is this all the technology is? A token of some socio-political philosophy? Whatever happened to articles that featured the tech instead of the corporate boardroom bullshit that passes as news on Slashdot?
 
It's getting real fucking boring around here. It's not about geek anymore, it's about petty partisan whoring.

Re:Getting old (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38020070)

Yes, you are bang on. But that's all Slashdot's been about for a few years now. If you want to read about technical stuff, go read Hacker News. For well-written articles of a more general nature, there's Ars Technica.

Does slashdot regularly post press releases? (2)

morikahnx (1323841) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019530)

This just looks like a PR piece.

Something that is less expensive will sell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38019540)

What an innovative idea.

Seriously, this wasn't worth the time it took to say that this wasn't worth the time it took to read.

Apple laughing all the way to the bank... (0)

neurocutie (677249) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019542)

Apple really isn't going to care, what with Amazon LOSING money with each Fire they sell. More Android phones are sold than iphones also, but Apple is making 90% of the PROFIT in the smartphone market.

Re:Apple laughing all the way to the bank... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38019612)

and yet, fanboys are proud to be ripped off by Apple.

Re:Apple laughing all the way to the bank... (2)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019692)

Apple profiting means there will be iPads next year. If everybody making Android tablets is losing money, that means step 2 for tablet manufacturers and tablet developers is officially ???.

Re:Apple laughing all the way to the bank... (2)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019792)

Apple profiting means there will be iPads next year. If everybody making Android tablets is losing money, that means step 2 for tablet manufacturers and tablet developers is officially ???.

Not only are fanboys proud of being ripped off, they actually think they can justify it.

The consumer computer industry has survived for years on razor thin margins, in return we consumers got cheaper computers and rapid advancements. I can still buy new Macbooks with Core 2 Duo's and they cost more much as my Acer Sandy Bridge i5.

Errata, damn spell check (1)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019854)

I can still buy new Macbooks with Core 2 Duo's and they cost more much as my Acer Sandy Bridge i5.

Sorry, that's an ASUS Sandy Bridge i5,

More specifically an Asus U30SD. Lighter then a 13" Macbook, better battery life, faster, switchable graphics and A$600 cheaper.

Re:Errata, damn spell check (1)

gumbi west (610122) | more than 2 years ago | (#38020098)

I have to admit (As a macbook owner) that is not a half bad computer.

I would miss the unibody, and backlight keyboard. These are deal breakers for me, but really solid construction could help me get over the unibody. I'd also miss the firewire, thunderbolt, 802.11.a (useful in crowded areas), lower weight and longer battery life (read the reviews, 8 cell is heavier and gets 1 or 2 fewer hours battery life in real life), but it sounds like a real contender.

Re:Errata, damn spell check (1)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#38020118)

(read the reviews, 8 cell is heavier and gets 1 or 2 fewer hours battery life in real life)

This is true of all laptops. There are lies, damned lies and manufacturer specification.

Re:Apple laughing all the way to the bank... (3, Interesting)

gumbi west (610122) | more than 2 years ago | (#38020026)

Put another way, after using it for awhile, I can still sell my Macbook with a core 2 duo, buy your ASUS Sandy Bridge i5, and have change to spare. Macs are that expensive if you resell them a year or two after you buy them.

Re:Apple laughing all the way to the bank... (3, Interesting)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#38020138)

And in the interim, you could even have a functional trackpad [arstechnica.com] .

Sometimes you actually have to pay for quality.

Re:Apple laughing all the way to the bank... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38019614)

Umm, Apple only makes that PROFIT when they actually sell an iPad, and since anyone who buys a non-Apple tablet will be much less likely to buy an iPad, I don't think Apple has much to laugh about.

Did you also say that Apple was laughing all the way to the bank when the Touchpads went firesale?

Re:Apple laughing all the way to the bank... (1)

RazorSharp (1418697) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019720)

While your point stands regardless, out of curiosity, is that 90% stat real or hyperbole? It sounds like hyperbole but we are talking Apple and profit here . . .

Re:Apple laughing all the way to the bank... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38020020)

While your point stands regardless, out of curiosity, is that 90% stat real or hyperbole? It sounds like hyperbole but we are talking Apple and profit here . . .

Probably hyperbole. The last I read about this, Apple was "only" making a little over half of all the cell phone profits worldwide.

Re:Apple laughing all the way to the bank... (1)

neurocutie (677249) | more than 2 years ago | (#38020170)

can't find the real number in the smartphone numbers, BUT Apple is taking 60% of the profits in the TOTAL phone market (smart+dumb) in which it only has a 5% numbers marketshare. That's better than a 10X ratio of marketshare to profitshare -- yes real numbers. So Apple's PROFITshare is huge and disproportionately so compared with its marketshare.

in tablets, Apple has 75% marketshare (real numbers as of 11/2011), so I'm sure it is taking at least 90% profitshare in tablets...

Re:Apple laughing all the way to the bank... (2)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019736)

Amazon is not losing money on Fire. It's priced pretty much exactly at what it actually costs.

Re:Apple laughing all the way to the bank... (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019982)

So pretty much like a Dell laptop then.

....brighter or less bright for the Kindle Fire (3, Interesting)

shmlco (594907) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019548)

From TFA: Retrevo’s Andrew Eisner wrote on a company blog. “As popular as the Kindle Fire appears in this study, whether it lives up to expectations on things like battery life, performance, image quality, etc, the picture could get brighter or less bright for the Kindle Fire.”

The picture could get brighter OR less bright for the Kindle Fire. Yep. That's a clear viewpoint.

"...27% said they would upgrade to a Kindle Fire..."

I don't know if you can "upgrade" to a Fire, unless they're counting current Kindle e-ink owners in the mix. I own an iPad AND I'm buying a Fire to dink around with. $199 is cheap enough that surely I can find some use for it, if only to keep in the bathroom... (grin)

What? Yeah, because this article is crap. (2)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019904)

Basically he's pointing out that the article in question is based on consumer reports with no hands on experience.

I don't think that's necessarily going to be a winner or loser for the Kindle at Christmas, post Christmas though...

2 vs 5 (4, Informative)

jbolden (176878) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019550)

The Kindle Fire is $200 the iPad starts at $500 and goes up to $830. They are competing at different levels of the market. And Apple's hardware margin is about 50% while Amazon's is around 10%. Which means people are getting a better hardware value.

Why would it be a shock if given those sorts of numbers the iPad was outsold?

Wrong on hardware value, margins not whole story (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019630)

Actually they are getting a much better value with the iPad, even with Apple's margins being higher. That is because Apple buys in huge volume and locks in contracts for long durations, which greatly decreases component costs to them.

Re:Wrong on hardware value, margins not whole stor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38019710)

I played with a couple of different high-end Android tablets ($350 and $450) and they were really slick. They felt very sturdy and were fast and stable. I don't think a quality top-tier tablet has to cost more than that.

Still too much for me, though. I already have a Nook Color but put a camera and bluetooth into something like a Nook for around $250 and I'd be all over it. The Chinese no-name tablets just won't cut it even at $150. I'm cheap, not stupid!

Re:Wrong on hardware value, margins not whole stor (2)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019758)

What high-end Android tablet (I take it as meaning "running Honeycomb") costs $350? The cheapest I'm aware of is Asus Transformer, and that goes for $380 (or whatever the current deal is on Amazon, it fluctuates +/- $10).

But, anyway, GP's point was that Apple is getting even better a deal than you think they do, because they source components for lower prices than most Android manufacturers simply due to the magnitude of the order. When you can come and say, "give us 5 million per month, for the next 3 years" - and you only can if you absolutely know you can sell it, like Apple does - you are effectively buying the entire output of whole factories wholesale, and the price goes down correspondingly.

Re:2 vs 5 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38019644)

The kindle margin is about -10%, not +10%.

They make it up in secondary sales. In theory.

Re:2 vs 5 (1)

jbolden (176878) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019784)

I'm talking gross margin on hardware. I had originally heard that Amazon was taking a small loss but they announced to shareholders they weren't and since lying to shareholders about a matter of simple fact is criminal, I believe them.

Re:2 vs 5 (1)

Theaetetus (590071) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019658)

The Kindle Fire is $200... Apple's hardware margin is about 50% while Amazon's is around 10%.

The Fire is $20 worth of parts?

Re:2 vs 5 (1)

jbolden (176878) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019796)

You are confusing "margin", its the other way its about $180 worth of parts.

Re:2 vs 5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38019782)

The Fire's margin is negative. That will hold true until Amazon orders such a large quantity that they break even or make a small profit.

Assume Amazon's margin on content is 50%, they have to sell twice the loss they make on each Fire just to break even. If they take a hit of $20 / Fire, they need to sell $40 worth of content. That's a lot of content for a typical consumer.

Re:2 vs 5 (1)

jbolden (176878) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019954)

I've heard that too with IHS saying they are -$10 /per. But Amazon insists they are profitable in official filings with fire.

Anyway, the margin on kindle content is nowhere near 50%. I don't think they have any items with a 100% markup at all. I'd guess closer to 20%. But... I disagree with you on $40 content. Amazon does more ebook volume than physical book volume. Kindle readers seem to get some new content about every 3 weeks per. The question with fire since fire isn't exclusively an e-reader do they start picking up people that are not heavy book readers.

If the Kindle Fire does really well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38019552)

Amazon might lose almost as much money as Apple makes on the iPad.

Remember, one of these products is being sold at a loss, and one is being sold at a profit.

Bollocks (-1, Offtopic)

multiben (1916126) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019568)

First of all, I'm not an Apple fan boy. But I went to look at a Kindle the other day and I can't figure out why I'd even pay 10 bucks for one. It was like being back in the '80s. The only thing I can see going for it is the battery life. I went home and downloaded the Kindle app to my iPad. Unless the new Kindle has leapt forward about 12 generations I would suggest Apple will still be the stocking filler of choice this year.

Re:Bollocks (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38019588)

You realize the purpose of the original kindle was ease of readability (e-ink displays) and battery life?

Re:Bollocks (1)

Eponymous Coward (6097) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019662)

The original Kindles do have that 1980's Texas Instruments design sense going for them though.

Re:Bollocks (1)

JBMcB (73720) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019850)

I was thinking more 90's HP calculator, which I consider to be a good thing. I think the Kindle 3 is a pretty well designed device for it's price point and function. The GUI is awful, but the industrial design is nice.

Re:Bollocks (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019838)

First of all, I'm not an Apple fan boy. But I went to look at a Kindle the other day and I can't figure out why I'd even pay 10 bucks for one.

You clearly don't read a lot. I bought a Kindle recently and the e-ink screen is vastly better for reading than an LCD and I can use it for days without charging.

However, I have had to reboot it about half a dozen times; it seems to have a bunch of bugs that cause it to lock up or lose the wireless connection and not reconnect.

People are cheap. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38019580)

And this is news?

BN (0)

oshkrozz (1051896) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019584)

I wonder how much Amazon paid for that article ... BN already has a cheep tablet that is slick, has some apps and lots of books called the Nook (and if you use the SD slot ... why yes .. yes it has one you can boot android and have all the apps) and soon they will have a full featured tablet but they don't seem to push it the same way.

Re:BN (1)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019624)

i wonder if it can boot Ubuntu arm build? hmm...

Re:BN (1)

RazorSharp (1418697) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019744)

I had no interest in buying a Nook until B&N decided to stand up to the Microsoft mobile device/linux extortion racket. Now I'm about to start buying the things as x-mas presents.

Why dont we wait and see... (1)

jdkc4d (659944) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019700)

Its interesting to me all this about something that still hasn't come out yet. Next week we will see if the hype is really worth anything. I think no matter what, the Kindle will sell very well. Priced only $50 higher than the touch, its easy for people to just go for one bigger. I have an old sony ereader from a few years ago. Doesn't hold a charge. I'll definitely be looking at what comes out next week. What I would really like to see though is a a universal ebook format and some sort of generic system where I can purchase books from any vendor I want. This app, or that app, its not good enough. It needs to be unified. Honestly though, as far as tablets go, I don't quite think we are there yet. A few more generations, and maybe we will get there. But for this Christmas, I think we all need to remember. Nook vs Fire. They are color ebook readers, that also have tablet functionality. That is a bit different than the higher end tablets that run the nook and kindle apps.

Kindle's biggest strength is it's biggest weakness (4, Interesting)

frinkster (149158) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019742)

Amazon produces a Kindle app for almost every platform, which ensures that the Kindle eBook marketplace is dominant. But buying an actual Kindle device limits you to the Kindle eBook marketplace.

The Kindle App is the single app I use most on my iPad (but far from the most used app as I am not the only user), but it is far easier to get an epub or PDF onto an iPad (and into the Apple iBooks) than it is to do the same on a Kindle device. I can get on to Safari Books Online (O'Reilly's eBook website) through my employer's proxy server. My iPad is an amazing programming partner - the best reference source I have ever had. It is worth the extra money to have all of those extra book sources. (I think Android tables can do this as well, I'm arguing against the Kindle and not specifically FOR the iPad)

Just pay the extra money. It is worth it.

Re:Kindle's biggest strength is it's biggest weakn (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019814)

Amazon produces a Kindle app for almost every platform, which ensures that the Kindle eBook marketplace is dominant. But buying an actual Kindle device limits you to the Kindle eBook marketplace.

That's news to me. About half the books on my Kindle came from Smashwords, Gutenburg and archive.org; I always buy ebooks from Smashwords where possible, because they're guaranteed DRM-free.

Re:Kindle's biggest strength is it's biggest weakn (1)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019858)

Have you ever actually tried to put a 3rd party book into a Kindle? You just plug it into your computer with the provided USB cable, drag the file over, and you're done.

Regardless, you are right that if you want a device to read reference books on, the Kindle (like all e-ink solutions) is a poor choice. Even with all the advancements they've made to speed page turns, it's still too slow to be a good reference book.

Re:Kindle's biggest strength is it's biggest weakn (5, Informative)

JBMcB (73720) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019890)

The Kindle App is the single app I use most on my iPad (but far from the most used app as I am not the only user), but it is far easier to get an epub or PDF onto an iPad (and into the Apple iBooks) than it is to do the same on a Kindle device.

With Calibre it's every bit as easy with a Kindle as with an iPad. You tell it where your books are, you tell it what device you have, and it figures out the best format to use, then converts on the fly.

Aside from that, the iPad is a better device for technical documentation, if you're going to be flipping around a lot and looking at diagrams. The Kindle is a better device if you are going to read something straight through.

Just like the current Android crop.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38019770)

Android 2.3. Wasn't that supposed to be a bad thing? The fragmentation issue? No real apps for Honeycomb, less tablet apps for 2.3... so it's already limited.

People are going to buy it because it's cheaper, and then think "Geez, I should have bought an iPad."

I'd love to call "bullshit", but... (1)

drfreak (303147) | more than 2 years ago | (#38019920)

I never though the web would take off, either. The jury is still out on Web 2.0 though...

Kindle is still America centric. (3, Insightful)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 2 years ago | (#38020022)

The Kindle fire is largely a non-starter outside of the US because the ecosystem outside of books is largely US centric whereas the iPad offers music, games, movies and TV for iTunes users in many countries around the world.

I wonder what the ad model will be (1)

Dennis Sheil (1706056) | more than 2 years ago | (#38020058)

I have an app on the Android Market which is not that popular relative to others in its category, I submitted it to Amazon, and they wanted me to tweak it (mostly because of how Facebook's Android-style app is broken more than mine was, Facebook answers one of my Intents badly, a problem many people have had). This particular app has no ads yet, but I wonder who does ads with Kindle Fires. I don't see anything on Google-owned Admob. I don't have an Inmobi account yet, but don't see any mention of Kindle Fire on their web site. I wonder which vendor ad-supported Kindle apps will use.

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