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Device Detects Drug Use Via Fingerprints

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the giving-it-the-finger-test dept.

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cylonlover writes "Fingerprints have been used to confirm or determine peoples' identities for over one hundred years now, but new technology is allowing them to be put to another use — drug testing. Intelligent Fingerprinting (a spin-off company affiliated with the UK's University of East Anglia) has just unveiled a prototype portable device that can detect the presence of illicit drugs or other substances in a person's system by analyzing the sweat in their fingerprints."

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224 comments

How? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021276)

Is it possible that Slashdotters have the garbageness this minuteness cheeks? Such a thing...!

How about for paramedics? (3, Insightful)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021294)

Get called out for somebody collapsing in the street. Press their sweaty fingers to a reader. System reads back any known medical history for that person, as well as any interesting chemicals detected by the reader.

Re:How about for paramedics? (1)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021304)

To be fair you can usually identify a genuine collapse from a DOAB. The empty Stella tins and unkempt appearance are sufficient.

Re:How about for paramedics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021754)

DOAB? pick one:

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Dental Officer Accession Bonus
Dynamic Open Address Book
Displacement of Anchored Boat
Deutsch Ost Afrikanische Bank
Deadly Overdose by Alcoholic Beverages
Director on a Bike
Dal out of Amritsar into the Bari
Dad of All Bombs
Derman Ortak Avukat Burosu
Description of a Book
Department of Architecture and Building
Dickens of a Blog

Re:How about for paramedics? (5, Insightful)

DMFNR (1986182) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021312)

Get pulled over for a burned out tail light. You're tired and look a bit under the weather. Cop presses your sweaty fingers to the reader. You go to jail for a joint you smoked 5 days ago.

Re:How about for paramedics? (4, Insightful)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021338)

What kind of dystopian hell-hole do you live in where you can be jailed for having traces of drug metabolites in your system? Even Iran isn't *that* bad...

Re:How about for paramedics? (3, Insightful)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021352)

America. Home of the Free, Land of the Brave.

Re:How about for paramedics? (4, Funny)

Larryish (1215510) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022170)

Land of the Flea, Home of the Slave?

To the tune of Lee Greenwood's "God Bless the U.S.A.":

I was born in America,
Where I'm often told I'm free.

I voted for the piece of shit
who told that lie to me.

And I'll gladly stand up next to you
At the all-you-can-eat buffet.

I can't afford
To move abroad...

Trapped in the U.S.A.

I can't afford
To move abroad...

Trapped in the U.S.A.

Re:How about for paramedics? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021358)

While not necessarily going to jail, you'll at least be going on foot for quite a while in Germany as this will cost you your driver's licence. Yes, even if that joint was a week ago. They won't take the licence because you were under the influence, but because even thinking about taking drugs shows that you are morally unfit for driving. Godwin's law will be invoked in 3... 2... 1...

Re:How about for paramedics? (3, Funny)

paiute (550198) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021838)

While not necessarily going to jail, you'll at least be going on foot for quite a while in Germany as this will cost you your driver's licence. Yes, even if that joint was a week ago. They won't take the licence because you were under the influence, but because even thinking about taking drugs shows that you are morally unfit for driving. Godwin's law will be invoked in

drei...zwei...ein...

Re:How about for paramedics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021914)

And here I thought they _weren't_ all Nazi's.

Well, you have plenty of company in America now judging by the GOP.

Re:How about for paramedics? (1)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021976)

Nazi!

Wait, too soon.

Re:How about for paramedics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021362)

America. I just got cuffed tonight over a ten day expired license plate.

Re:How about for paramedics? (2)

Ginger Unicorn (952287) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021552)

What is the purpose of making licence plates expire? Do the numbers change or something? We don't have that in the UK - other than being obliged to replace them if they deteriorate below a certain standard of legibility, a car is given number plates the first time it's sold and that's it.

Re:How about for paramedics? (1, Flamebait)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021576)

To provide an easy way to verify payments for vehicle registration.

Re:How about for paramedics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021592)

Somebody have to make plates, and they don't work for free...

Re:How about for paramedics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021598)

Profit is the purpose

Re:How about for paramedics? (1)

swalve (1980968) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022008)

Depends on the state. California is like that- the plate belongs to the car. In Illinois, the plate belongs to the person. When you sell a car, you take your plates off and put them on your new car. Every state (that I know of) requires a yearly tax to be paid, and when that year runs out, the plates are said to have expired. When you pay the tax, you either get a sticker to put on the plate, or a whole new plate. (Some states use cheaper/flimsier plates where the whole thing gets replaced, but I think you keep the same number.)

But those are just civil or administrative penalties; if this guy was literally put in handcuffs, the police suspected there was something criminal going on. Rightly or wrongly.

Re:How about for paramedics? DC puts you in jail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38022570)

www.washingtonpost.com/local/expired-license-plates-in-dc-could-land-you-in-jail/2011/10/11/gIQAJjdhdL_story.html

Re:How about for paramedics? (4, Informative)

__Paul__ (1570) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021364)

What kind of dystopian hell-hole do you live in where you can be jailed for having traces of drug metabolites in your system? Even Iran isn't *that* bad...

Victoria, Australia [trafficlaw.com.au]

Re:How about for paramedics? (1)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021558)

Well, keywords are "driving *under* influence", right?

Re:How about for paramedics? (4, Informative)

six025 (714064) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021796)

Well, keywords are "driving *under* influence", right?

No ...

driving or being in charge of a motor vehicle when your saliva or blood contains any trace of illicit drugs

Peace,
Andy.

Re:How about for paramedics? (1)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021934)

Well, then it's simply wrong, very overreaching and kinda useless for main reason - avoid tragic accidents on streets.

Re:How about for paramedics? (2)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022704)

Reason? They don't need a "reason" anymore. The reason is "because we can".

Re:How about for paramedics? (5, Informative)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021392)

That's how it works in Sweden. You go to Amsterdam over the weekend, smoke a couple of joints, come back to Sweden, hit the bars the next weekend, a cop sees you on the street and thinks you look "tired" (I have myself been threatened with arrest for drug use on my way home from work on a friday night when a police officer approached me and stated I looked, that's right, "tired". A joke I've heard from Swedish cannabis smokers is that Sweden is the only country in the world where you can get arrested for being happy or sleep-deprived), arrests you, you get to urinate into a cup, they find 11-COOH-THC or 11-OH-THC in your urine and that's it, you just got a conviction for drug use on your record.

The reason we have this system you ask? In the 80s the right-wing parties were falling behind in polls so they started ranting about rampant drug use and how use itself needed to be made illegal (despite the fact that at the time reported drug use among Swedes was at a multi-decade low), as always the left decided to join in on the "OMG DRUGS!!1" panic and a law was passed making drug use illegal (prior to that regular users were only arrested for possession, not use). A few years later they realized the law was rarely used since you could only be fined for drug use (which meant the police weren't allowed to force you to take a drug test) so they promptly added the possibility of jail time for drug use.

Why hasn't this been abolished? Because our politicians who deal with drug-related matters don't know anything about it beyond the political consensus that we need to "send the right signals" to people who use drugs (or might start using drugs) and happily dismiss the opinions of actual experts. Welcome to Sweden, where "signals" are more important than sanity (I don't remember which politician it was but one of them famously stated that she thought it was more important to send the right signals than it was to save lives).

Re:How about for paramedics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021714)

In the 80s the right-wing parties were falling behind in polls so they started ranting about rampant drug use and how use itself needed to be made illegal (despite the fact that at the time reported drug use among Swedes was at a multi-decade low), as always the left decided to join in on the "OMG DRUGS!!1" panic ...

Why hasn't this been abolished? Because our politicians who deal with drug-related matters don't know anything about it beyond the political consensus that we need to "send the right signals" to people who use drugs (or might start using drugs) and happily dismiss the opinions of actual experts. Welcome to Sweden,...

That describes the US.

The common factor? The general public.

The general public is stupid and easily swayed by shallow rhetoric.

A person is smart. People are stupid.-K from Men in Black

Barking up the wrong tree (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021744)

Prohibition is about one thing and one thing only: MONEY. Not very romantic, is it? But most people don't even stop to think about it. They actually believe that prohibition has its roots in morality or even conformity.

It's hardly that romantic. Prohibition exists to line the pockets of those who designed the system.

Prohibition rakes billions of dollars per year through the business of government. The more cash passing through the hands of the elite at the top of the pyramid, the better positioned they are to leverage that cash flow for personal gain.

Re:How about for paramedics? (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021830)

The thought processes of politicians in most countries have nothing to do with sanity, being reasonable or taking facts into account.

Create a furore, or wait for the media to create one, and then overreact to be seen to be doing something. Once the law is enacted, never review it for efficacy.

Re:How about for paramedics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38022394)

So, as yet in the UK this doesn't happen (but thanks for giving the government ideas...) - however, while it's not jail-time, at my work you'd be escorted off the site and given the sack, on grounds of 'safety'... just for metabolites. (I'm in IT support...)

Re:How about for paramedics? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021454)

Sweden.

Re:How about for paramedics? (2)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021536)

With the TSA on a highway near you, expect to be scanned and enjoy some "behaviour detection". If you dare quote your rights expect to meet the local "Big Bob".
http://www.allgov.com/Controversies/ViewNews/Tennessee_First_State_to_Allow_TSA_Highway_Random_Search_Program_111108 [allgov.com]
If a drug dog can walk "around" your car, expect something like this to be tested soon.

Re:How about for paramedics? (1)

eedwardsjr (1327857) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022026)

"Tennessee has become the first state in the nation to welcome the federal government’s latest anti-terrorist program: Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response (VIPR).The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) created VIPR in December 2005, to inspect bus, rail and truck stations for potential threats" Why are you driving your car on Rails?

Re:How about for paramedics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021626)

Sweden (and quite a few Scandinavian countries) adopt this inane approach to cannabinoids.

Re:How about for paramedics? (1)

mikehunt (225807) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021634)

How about Sweden? Any trace of drugs in your bloodstream is considered as being guilty of possession.

Not cool.

Re:How about for paramedics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021766)

Euhm in Iran you can get the death penalty for that. Any form of drugs found on your person actually.

They don't actually *do* this because they'd have to execute half of the country if they actually applied the law on alcohol, but ... do you really want to take the risk ?

Re:How about for paramedics? (1)

Raved Thrad (1864414) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022102)

Can you imagine if you _did_ live in Iran and they had this technology? Or even worse, somewhere in the Bible Belt?

"We detected traces of semen, lubricant, and paper acid on your fingers! You have obviously been engaging in non-procreational sex acts for enjoyment, and even worse, you've been reading books! Paperback books! You are obviously a subversive and must be punished!!"

Re:How about for paramedics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38022496)

Um its the USA. Duh if any drugs are detected, you are Under the influence. You are going tojail for driving while intoxicated since there is no allowable level of an illicit drug. If they can detect GHB, which is present in your body naturally, then they can just arrest anyone.

Re:How about for paramedics? (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022666)

Yet.

Re:How about for paramedics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38022776)

But Sweden is.

You can't have any traces of illicit drugs in you system.

Never accept pee tests here. They can force you to give blood, but they can only find active substances therein.

Re:How about for paramedics? (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021518)

You go to jail for a joint you smoked 5 days ago.

...or the poppy seed bagel you ate for lunch!

Re:How about for paramedics? (1)

captainpanic (1173915) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022352)

Umm... if you can prove that a poppy seed bagel can cause a positive test result, doesn't that mean that you're still innocent until proven guilty otherwise? I mean, that leaves enough room for doubt, right?

Re:How about for paramedics? (1)

BVis (267028) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022636)

You must be new here. The American "justice system" is nothing of the sort. You've got metabolites in your system, you've been doing illegal drugs, end of story. Enjoy your fine/jail time.

Re:How about for paramedics? (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022804)

I understand the standard practice is for the prosection to offer a plea bargin: "Plead guilty, and we'll go easy. Sure, you'll have a criminal record and a short stay in jail, but that's it. Or you could fight this. Maybe you'll win, maybe you'll lose... and if you lose, we're going to utterly destroy your life, jail you for years, render you unemployable and pry through your personal records for any hint of wrongdoing we can use to add more charges."

Re:How about for paramedics? (-1, Troll)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021588)

Maybe then don't smoke joint?

Re:How about for paramedics? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021618)

Maybe get over that idea that you should be able to tell others what to do if it does not affect you

Re:How about for paramedics? (1)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021964)

Maybe then please don't complain that you have traces of illegal drugs in your blood stream?

I can agree that limits of traces should be set and they should be highly scientific. I know that lof of laws against driving under influence has no limits set how big trace should be to be guilty, there's quite visible morality influence in all this. However, if someone is driving under influence - sorry, but you are busted.

Re:How about for paramedics? (1)

paiute (550198) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021868)

Maybe then don't smoke joint?

And don't shake hands with anyone who has ever smoke a joint or who has shaken hands with anyone who has ever smoked a joint.

Re:How about for paramedics? (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021732)

Someone cue up the Ayn Rand criminal quote, because it seems like a perfect use for it. After all since they have been privatizing the penal system those at the top can make good money on all those "criminals".

Kinda a shame though, once upon a time this was a decent country, now it is just some rich pigs at the top figuring out every scam they can to fuck everyone else.

Personally I predict when Europe collapses which will be the final nail in our coffin thanks to Goldman Sachs and friends quietly shifting all their Greek and other toxic debt onto the Fed so that when it goes they'll have already cashed out and left us with another 10 trillion or so in debt, then we'll get to have our very own Arab spring.

But as the wise Thomas Jefferson said "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

I'd say the constant march towards a police state by our officials and bumraping by those at the top makes the current situation fit that description pretty well, don't you?

Re:How about for paramedics? (1)

swalve (1980968) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022306)

When the Fed buys assets, they aren't creating debt for the United States. The Federal Reserve is completely separate. If one of their assets goes funny, they just write it off. This adds to inflation slightly, since there is cash out in the wild that doesn't have an asset backing it up, but if that becomes a problem, the Fed can just sell a good asset and pull that cash back out of the wild. Quantitative easing is a risky business, but if they do it right, it will work out just fine. They just have to have the stones to control it for economic reasons and not political ones.

Re:How about for paramedics? (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022770)

When the Fed buys assets, they aren't creating debt for the United States.

No? Where does the money come from that they are using to buy said assets? I suggest you take a basic course in economics.

Re:How about for paramedics? (1)

swalve (1980968) | more than 2 years ago | (#38023070)

I suggest you get your money back for the one you took. This may help to repair the damage. [wikipedia.org]

Burned out tail light ? No need for that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38022108)

This is why LED tail lights are worth having.

Re:How about for paramedics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021580)

What abt u shaking hands with a drugaddict and u will be detected with drugs... nice invention..

another useless article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021314)

am I missing something or there is really no useful information like which drugs does it test for?

Re:another useless article (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021640)

aspirin. but get this, they say that it's uncheatable because it ties the test result to your fingerprints.

"But officer, I just gave a handy job to someone high on coke, it's not my fault".

Re:another useless article (1)

sosume (680416) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021818)

This could be used to help people by detecting early signs of cancer or vascular related syndromes, but instead it's used to lock up people in the war on drugs, since that's where the money comes from. Assuming that 'drugs' in TFA refers to illegal substances, not specific medicines.

Re:another useless article (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022786)

But officer I just paid for something with cash [sciencedaily.com] .

Gattaca (1)

BoldVoyager (2505478) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021334)

When I hear news like this it's not hard to imagine a future where just about all health information can be easily analyzed, and it makes me think about how this may be misused. Hopefully this is just far off thinking and in fact this is actually a smaller first step toward an eventual medical information collection device that can be used to quickly diagnose patients on the spot.

Privacy implications (1)

zachie (2491880) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021346)

In before politicians start wearing gloves.

so nothing to do with fingerprints then ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021386)

so its just the sweat, that they could get from ... say a toe or a belly button.
Guard 1: "please press your sweaty belly button here"
Gaurd 2: "an inny? withholding evidence, take him away"

These people can go to hell (2, Interesting)

16K Ram Pack (690082) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021406)

Seriously, I can only hope that the people at UEA DIAF because a fireman was suspended for having a joint a week ago, because their technology made it easier to drug test them.

If you're working to support the war on drugs, you're a money-grabbing fascist. Go and research how to make drugs that can't be detected by sniffer dogs and make the law a farce and we might see a change in them.

Re:These people can go to hell (1)

qwak23 (1862090) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021584)

Devices to test for drugs aren't necessarily directly for the war on drugs. Alcohol is legal, and yet we have devices to test for that. Even if currently illicit drugs were legalized, there would be need to be able to test for them in a reasonable manner as there are plenty of circumstances where their use would be considered irresponsible.

Re:These people can go to hell (5, Insightful)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022818)

No, it's the "war on sin". Because some people think they are morally superior because they endorse the putting in cages of other people who like to relax with the help of pharmacology.

Great Ford! (3, Interesting)

Noitatsidem (1701520) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021414)

Oh brave new world, what have you become? Just look at you, we were all supposed to turn into Ford worshiping, drug driven sex fiends, instead we do the exact opposite!

Re:Great Ford! (4, Insightful)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021450)

Mmm, the mistake that futurists make is to underestimate the deep insatiable craving to tell other people what they must and cannot do. Screaming "Thou Shalt Not!" is the ultimate high.

Re:Great Ford! (2)

Noitatsidem (1701520) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021462)

I don't think you've been high enough times then.

Re:Great Ford! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38022898)

I don't think you've been in a position of authority enough times then.

Drugs in money (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021476)

Some studies show that a large amount of currency tests positive for drugs. A device that can detect drugs from the sweat in fingerprints must be very sensitive. So, handling money may leave drug traces in the fingers that can be picked by that device.

Bad idea...

Re:Drugs in money (3, Interesting)

eulernet (1132389) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021718)

90% of US bills carry traces of cocaine:
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-08-14/health/cocaine.traces.money_1_cocaine-dollar-bills-paper-bills?_s=PM:HEALTH [cnn.com]

Now, let's suppose that you are a cashier, and it's a sweaty day.
After a long tiring day, you got arrested by the police.

Guess what ?

Re:Drugs in money (0)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021982)

"Guess what ?"

You get yourself a lawyer, you get repeated test at labs from blood and you are at home at noon/next day/whatever.

Re:Drugs in money (3, Informative)

FinchWorld (845331) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022396)

And likely out of pocket a few hundred quid (if not more). Justice, available to those with enough cash.

Re:Drugs in money (0)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022860)

And it always have been. Still doesn't make my point invalid. And if you can cash out for drugs, you can sure afford a lawyer (in fact you must. Otherwise sooner or later you will be busted).

Re:Drugs in money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38022482)

And? You loose a lot of time in court, need to have money to legal fees, need to tell your employer that you need to go to court and why...

Re:Drugs in money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38022744)

yeah guess what? the money has traces of COCAINE, not cocaine metabolites.

another kneejerk /. tinfoil hat reaction goes up in smoke...

Stop the squeeze (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021496)

While these tools are useful in certain circumstances - e.g. figuring out what someone is overdosing on or having a severe allergic reaction too, they'll just get co-opted into being used to squash our private lies further in the supposed interests of the corporations. Your squeezing us too hard. There our bodies, let us do with them as we will!

Re:Stop the squeeze (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021542)

Your not helping you're point when you sound like you coked you're brain to hell a long time ago.

Re:Stop the squeeze (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022914)

Your not helping you're point when you sound like you coked you're brain to hell a long time ago.

Error 1: You're.

Error 2: Your

Error 3: you're - again

It's important when you are trying to make the other person look like a moron to not look like a moron yourself. I could argue that the point you are trying to make could equally be applied to you.

Not Fingerprints (1)

crow_t_robot (528562) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021506)

It detects drugs from your sweat not your fingerprints. Sweat exists on your fingers but it can really be used elsewhere on the body. Poor title.

Re:Not Fingerprints (1)

HBI (604924) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021582)

I can think of somewhere sweaty where they can use this...

Re:Not Fingerprints (2)

qwak23 (1862090) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021610)

Yes, but if you RTFA you'll see they use your fingerprints as a means of ID'ing the sample. So yes, you could test the sweat from anywhere, but by testing the fingerprint (really fingertip is probably a better word) they can link the results to a unique identifier. In the world of drug testing this is very important as one, people like to try to cheat the tests, two, people could use the test to frame others, and any discrepencies in the process could get the result overturned on legal grounds. (IANAL, however I do administer drug tests on occasion).

inventors = asshats (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021594)

I really hate the asshats that invent this technology. Its the last salvos of control from the antidrug conspiracy. Go back to your labs and invest something meaningful instead of fascist tools of repression.

Shake hands with a junkie (3, Interesting)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021600)

... false positive.

Scrub hands thoroughly just before the test: you're in the clear.

TFA says the system is impossible to cheat. I'd like to see this presumptuous statement put to the test and stats released to believe it.

Re:Shake hands with a junkie (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021846)

Indeed, the obvious defence in court is that you shook hands with someone prior to the test.

The only way for the system to work is for the person to wash their hands, wait for some sweating to occur, then take the test. And that's removes the rapid aspect of the system.

Re:Shake hands with a junkie (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022910)

Cyanoacrylate.

1. Wash hands.
2. Apply superglue to fingertips.
3. Wash again.
It sets instantly on contact with skin and forms a water-impermiable layer to prevent fresh sweat getting through. The only problem is you might be too clean, and a well-programmed tester would recognise an attempted fraud from the complete lack of sweat to test.

No wonder the UEA is keen on climate change... (1)

cardpuncher (713057) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021636)

More heat, more sweat!

saving money (1)

Gravis Zero (934156) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021768)

these devices can save a lot of money for drug testing in the judicial system like the rapid DNA comparison project will with immigration.

not everyone is happy about this technology but there is no denying it can save us money.

Re:saving money (1)

f0rk (1328921) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021816)

If we had sane drug policies, we would not have to spend money on drug tests from the start.

Treating the symptoms, ignoring the cause.

Re:saving money (1)

qwak23 (1862090) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021950)

Most drug testing (at least that I am aware of) has nothing to do with national drug policies, but rather circumstances where the use of drugs would be considered irresponsible. Unfortunately (for those that choose to use illicit substances) some substances are detectable for several days after use, so even if you're responsible about your use you could still end up popping.

As I've stated before, even if drugs were legal, you would still have reason to test for them because irresponsible use can endanger others.

Re:saving money (1)

f0rk (1328921) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022182)

Very true about responsibility.

But I still think that the root cause to why this tech was developed is to catch pot-heads and the likes. I don't think it's "financially viable" to develop drug detection technology with the sole purpose of helping in the handling of irresponsible people.
If our policies were better, it might be true. Just like with breathalysers and DUIs.

Re:saving money (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022950)

That, and private enforcement. Many companies test their employees routinely.

Re:saving money (1)

monkeyhybrid (1677192) | more than 2 years ago | (#38021888)

It will actually cost the tax payer even more money once it's realised that a positive result could be caused by contamination (shook hands with a drug user, etc), leading to every test being followed up by a blood / urine test.

Re:saving money (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022956)

these devices can save a lot of money for drug testing in the judicial system like the rapid DNA comparison project will with immigration.

Of course, not convicting people on the mere suspicion of drug use would save even more money.

Off-topic - Archived Discussions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021836)

Why are discussions less than 24 hours old already archived? Not everyone lives in the US time zone or does not have work where they can post to this site as soon as story comes out?

E.g. the Facebook Privacy story from 5:30pm (EST) on Nov 10th, is "archived".

What's next, a list of permitted words that one can use in a post?

Seriously, /. is losing it. The quality has been poor and it reflects with the number of posts in threads.

Re:Off-topic - Archived Discussions? (1)

Teun (17872) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022210)

I can go several days back and comment.

Maybe it's because you try to post as an AC?

Evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38021844)

Yet another example of anti drug hysteria going way too far.

Money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38022338)

With 90% of US bills testing positive for cocaine, many more people will be going to jail using finger sweat for drug testing. I will stick with my debit card.

Next Step (1)

foobsr (693224) | more than 2 years ago | (#38022442)

The next step to take advantage of this technological development is to scan for the profiles of drugs like serotonin, dopamine etc. in order to assess whether the subject (or should one say object?) is planning to, i.e., hijack an aircraft. Of course, in the US, the national security argument will take care of further improving the mechanism up to the level of continuous 24/7 scanning of all the sheeple.

CC.

Great more jobs lost (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38022764)

Like we need more reasons to fire people in this country. I don't care if the guy making me a pizza cant pass a drug test, I just want him to wash his hands. My nephew made pizza's and was drug tested 3 times in one calender year. I'm at a loss for words.

it's time to decriminalize MOST "drugs" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38022832)

nuff said. Certainly Cannabis. Do we (humanity) need a World War 3 and World Revolution to do that simple act of getting SOME of our freedom from Tobacco- Alcohol- and Drag trading mob that is standing behind this prohibition?

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