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Firefox 9.0 Beta Available

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the like-clockwork dept.

Firefox 291

An anonymous reader tips news that, right on schedule after Tuesday's Firefox 8.0 launch, Mozilla has rolled out the beta of Firefox 9.0. This update brings a significant boost to JavaScript performance, UI improvements for the OS X Lion version, and Do Not Track opt-out detection for developers. 9.0 beta also "supports chunking for XHR requests so websites can receive data that’s part of a large XHR download in progress. This helps developers make websites and Web apps faster, especially those that download large sets of data or via AJAX."

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This is ridiculous (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38030372)

Really. It's version 23 before the year ends.

Re:This is ridiculous (4, Insightful)

CmdrPony (2505686) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030448)

It's more ridiculous that Slashdot has to post a story about every new version and beta version, especially now with the new awesome release cycle.

Re:This is ridiculous (2)

Eponymous Hero (2090636) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030640)

and yet here you are

Re:This is ridiculous (5, Funny)

igreaterthanu (1942456) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030750)

Slashdot should just create a cron job to post these Firefox stories. They could save a lot of time in the long run.

While they are at it, make it automatically post some BitCoin, Australia and Steve Jobs stories. Maybe throw in a random number generator and automate dupes too.

Re:This is ridiculous (2)

KaLeVR1 (34637) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031478)

I don't know why Mozilla doesn't just skip the next few decimals and just match Chrome's version number with their next release since that's clearly what they are trying to do. I've read the articles claiming that consumers are too dim-witted to know that the version number doesn't necessarily indicate which browser is the most advanced and Mozilla is trying to regain lost mind-share. But it's a waste of time and bandwidth to install a new version every week just because they want to actually use all of the numbers along the way. It all seems a bit childish to me.

Re:This is ridiculous (2)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031484)

Slashdot should just create a cron job to post these Firefox stories. They could save a lot of time in the long run.

Even more time could be saved, if Slashdot also had provided the cronjob service to its users: to automatically post comments to the Firefox version stories. It is even simpler than the stories/dups/random cron job, 'cause comments to the stories remain the same: option to copy user's comments from the past stories into the new stories should be On by default.

Re:This is ridiculous (4, Funny)

masternerdguy (2468142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031080)

I don't think so. I enjoy the biweekly firefox release rage :)

Re:This is ridiculous (1)

Twinbee (767046) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031230)

That's a bit optimistic. I was expecting doubly exponential growth.

Re:This is ridiculous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38031316)

I was expecting X^X growth.

Re:This is ridiculous (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031540)

I think you were looking for this [wolfram.com] .

Version changes are the most visible evidence. (3, Informative)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031430)

Unfortunately, Mozilla Foundation suffers from poor management. The rapid unexplained major version changes are only the most visible evidence.

Mozilla Foundation is a rich, rich corporation. No one should make the mistake of thinking that work on Firefox is done mostly by volunteers.

Did you see $78.6 million worth of improvements in 2008? [zdnet.com]

Did you see improvements suggesting that Mozilla Foundation had $168 million in assets in 2010? [mozilla.com] (Official PDF file, see page 2. Numbers are in thousands, as it says at the top of the page.)

Firefox is a world-class asset. Firefox is extremely important partly because those who need to do a lot of research online depend on Firefox and Firefox add-ons such as Session Manager, Session Manager Export Tool, Mozilla Archive Format, Flashblock, Multi Links, and Tab Mix Plus. There is no substitute for the capabilities of Firefox together with Firefox Add-ons. (Add-ons are also known as extensions and plug-ins.) For those who do research, Firefox is simply the best browser. Firefox is literally a world-class asset.

Biggest flaw: Firefox is unstable. The first step in good management would be to fix the instability of Firefox. There would be a huge additional advantage in doing that, as someone else mentioned. Investigating how Firefox can be so unstable under Microsoft Windows might reveal flaws in Microsoft Windows that make the OS so unstable when using Firefox.

Firefox instabilities are experienced most frequently by those who open many Firefox windows and tabs and leave them open while putting the computer into standby or hibernation several times. That is the pattern of use of those who do a lot of online research.

An example of research: For example, in researching HDMI cables there are numerous manufacturers, distributors, online sellers, explanations of HDMI standards, explanations of the U.S. National Electrical Code, and online reviews. The research is made far more complicated by the many companies that try to take advantage of the ignorance of the average person about cables. Good research is important because HDMI cables are often embedded in the infrastructure of buildings. Poor cables may need to be replaced when video equipment is upgraded, sometimes requiring the tearing apart of walls. Equipment upgrades may be years away, but are almost certain to happen.

One condition of instability: Windows XP 32-bit with Service Pack 3, for example, becomes unstable when Firefox has taken all the available memory, and is beginning to require the OS to use virtual memory. It seems a reasonable guess that Microsoft will be slow to fix Windows instabilities since poor experiences encourage people to buy new versions. Microsoft requires payment of the full price for each new version of Windows. Microsoft does not allow upgrade pricing even when a previous version has had many flaws, as with Microsoft Windows Vista. The laws against unfair business practices of those who have virtual monopolies have had no effect on Microsoft, apparently.

Firefox crash info: Here are some links for those who want to discover more about the instabilities in Firefox.

about:crashes
Put about:crashes into your URL bar and press ENTER. Firefox will then show a list of crashes of the copy of Firefox on that computer.

Crash info for all users and all versions
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/Firefox [mozilla.com]

Crashes per 100 active daily users, version 7.0.1, last week's version
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/Firefox/versions/7.0.1 [mozilla.com]

Top crashers, version 7.0.1
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byversion/Firefox/7.0.1/14 [mozilla.com]

Notes:

1) The lists of crashes are ONLY the ones that Firefox caught. The lists do NOT include crashes that don't start the crash reporter.

2) Version 7.0.1 sometimes stays in memory even though the GUI was closed.

3) The crashes are often preceded by rapidly increasing memory use. Firefox often corrupts Microsoft Windows, so that Windows needs to be re-started. When Firefox corrupts Microsoft Windows it often damages operations in Windows that are not connected with browsing.

4) The crashes and memory gobbling have been reported for more than 10 years, since version 0.9 of Mozilla Suite [evolt.org] , before Mozilla began using the name Firefox. Firefox is still unstable even though the change reports for every version say there have been "stability improvements".

5) Versions 4 to 7 of Firefox were more unstable than the Firefox 3.6.x versions. Version 7.0.1 is more stable than the others, but still unstable. So there has been some improvement. This week's version, 8.0, is too new to have extensive statistics.

Re:This is ridiculous (1)

BitterOak (537666) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031704)

Really. It's version 23 before the year ends.

Why was the parent modded troll? Does anyone actually disagree?

This new version numbering scheme ... (-1)

fsckmnky (2505008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030378)

sucks.

Frist Post (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38030380)

I'm running Firefox 10

Re:Frist Post (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38031188)

I'm running Firefox Nightly 11.0a1

I just woke up, (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38030382)

and even I'm clearheaded enough to ask "are we really going to have a Slashdot post every time a new 'version' of Firefox reaches beta/release?"

The IE team has stopped sending cakes (5, Funny)

microbee (682094) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030386)

It's too expensive now.

Re:The IE team has stopped sending cakes (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38030552)

Re:The IE team has stopped sending cakes (5, Funny)

CYDVicious (834329) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030684)

This will be followed up with a gingerbread cookie, then an Ice Cream Sandwich...I see what they did there...

Re:The IE team has stopped sending cakes (5, Informative)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030760)

They've actually stopped sending the cupcakes now.
http://www.winrumors.com/microsoft-breaks-with-tradition-no-cake-for-firefox-8/ [winrumors.com]
"We didn’t do it since we thought it was getting to be overkill,” said a Microsoft spokesperson. “Every six weeks is a lot of cupcakes”

Re:The IE team has stopped sending cakes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38030846)

Too bad. Instead of the browser wars, we could have had IT cupcake wars.

Re:The IE team has stopped sending cakes (2)

GunFodder (208805) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031034)

Isn't every IT "war" a fight between cupcakes?

Re:The IE team has stopped sending cakes (2)

EdgeCreeper (1618161) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031648)

Cupcakes!? Surely you mean fruitcakes.

Mod Parent Informative (2)

rsmith-mac (639075) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030830)

It's not just funny, it's true! [winrumors.com]

The software giant has a habit of sending cakes to Mozilla after the foundation ships an update to its Firefox browser. Mozilla's recent Firefox 8 release has stemmed the flow of cupcakes from Redmond. Microsoft didn't ship a cupcake to Mozilla for its Firefox 8 release. "We didn't do it since we thought it was getting to be overkill," said a Microsoft spokesperson. "Every six weeks is a lot of cupcakes", they added.

Stop complaining... downgrade to 3.6! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38031514)

I'm still loving firefox 3.6. It seems fast, by which I mean none of the sites I frequent are slow, even javascript-heavy sites like gmail, google docs, or the AWS management console. FF3.6's memory footprint is steady at ~700mb, which seems high in absolute terms, but is stable even after days of use. And who cares about 700mb if you have 8gigs of RAM?

So... I have no problem with Mozilla releasing versions 10, 11, 50, whatever. The problem is that users are upgrading and are disappointed, but they never consider downgrading to a tested, stable, feature-rich experience with 3.6

I do not know what to do... (4, Funny)

lsolano (398432) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030412)

I do not know if I want to test FF9 now, that my day is coming to an end here at work, or well, just wait to come home and test FF10.

Re:I do not know what to do... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38030722)

This has stopped being funny after FF5. It's the same comment over and over again, who mods this up?

And yet Chrome is all right by you people. Look next FF is getting silent updates. Get fucking over it.

Re:I do not know what to do... (1)

DiegoBravo (324012) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031196)

> It's the same comment over and over again, who mods this up?

The same people that submits this story over and over again.

Re:I do not know what to do... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38030966)

You're in luck. Firefox 10 is available on the Aurora channel: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/channel/

Re:I do not know what to do... (1)

Twinbee (767046) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031158)

Don't panic - it's pretty simple if you want to convert from the advertised version to the real version. This is the formula I use for Firefox:

realFireFoxVersion(x) = 5 - 4.5/x + x/1000

Works for me every time.

Re:I do not know what to do... (2)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031554)

realFireFoxVersion(x) = (5 - 4.5/x + x/1000).toString()+"beta"

FTFY.

Please stop.... (3, Insightful)

Synerg1y (2169962) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030416)

Releasing new versions of firefox and fix the version you have, I'd appreciate 5.1 greatly, I'd also appreciate my browser not freezing randomly at times for 30 second intervals on the most random of things. I like firefox and I know a lot about its structure, but I have chrome installed now because some stuff just won't work as I want it to in ff. Kind of feels like I threw my chips in and now the project is heading completely downhill, I don't like IE UI & I don't know much about chrome, but holy shit, I'm about done w ff. Anybody from mozilla read forums to get user feedback or anything? Guys?

Re:Please stop.... (5, Informative)

jlebar (1904578) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030776)

Please stop releasing new versions of firefox and fix the version you have

You do understand that the new releases have bug fixes, right? Probably the majority of patches going into any given release are bugfixes.

The main cause of random freezes should be fixed in the latest release, Firefox 8. If you're still seeing freezes, please file a bug and cc me (jlebar) and I'll follow up.

http://blog.bonardo.net/2011/09/30/is-your-firefor-freezing-at-regular-intervals [bonardo.net]
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ [mozilla.org]

Re:Please stop.... (2)

ohnocitizen (1951674) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031210)

+1 to you sir. I am very curious, is there an effort to focus on speeding up the UI, or decoupling UI responsiveness from the pages/plugins active at the time? I'd say that is the biggest source of speed issues users notice directly.

Re:Please stop.... (2, Funny)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030880)

You know there are alternatives to Chrome. You may hate IE 6 like 90% of us slashdotters, but newer versions are shockingly better [blogspot.com] . As in hell freezes over better from that link!

I quit FF last March shortly after 4.0 and never looked back. Seriously it is the bottom of all modern web browsers. It is great that FF 7 and 8 are much lighter and load as quick as Chrome, but they have over 6000 bugs! FF is the new IE 6 of the 2010s and it pains me to say this as I have been using it since it was called phoenix and then firebird back in 2004.

Usage according to statcounter shows in the US IE is gaining marketshare and Chrome is about tied to FF. It is dying. Just like I use IE and Chrome now I am open to FF in the future if they decide they are caught up and start doing things like improving Javascript conformance like in that test above and fixing all those bugs. IE and Chrome are just better and work.

After a week you wont miss FF that much and will start wondering why you haven't left earlier. Trust me

Re:Please stop.... (2)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031588)

IE doesn't work in Linux, so that alone makes it usable for me. I switched to Chromium a month or so ago, and I'm pretty happy with it so far. It does use more memory than FF, but the UI responsiveness is much better. I don't see how FF can fix that until they finally switch to one-process-per-tab like Chrome does things.

Re:Please stop.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38031544)

I agree.

I keep waiting for the stable version, but all versions after 4 crash regularly.

OLD NEWS: 11.0a1 is already out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38030444)

Get it here https://nightly.mozilla.org/

Or be modded funny by voicing concern that it is the nightly build as if it would still matter..

Re:OLD NEWS: 11.0a1 is already out (2)

gomiam (587421) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030468)

That's not old news, that's News at 11...0a1 ;)

Re:OLD NEWS: 11.0a1 is already out (1)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030544)

Get it here https://nightly.mozilla.org/ [mozilla.org]

It's daylight here on the other side of the world, can I still download the nightly version or do I have to wait 12 hours?

I vote to change meaning of FF "Fast Forward" (4, Funny)

youn (1516637) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030454)

it certainly seems like it from recent increased version numbers pace

Re:I vote to change meaning of FF "Fast Forward" (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030570)

Oh don't worry, at the rate they're going at. We'll be at Firefox 121212 just in time for the end of the world.

Another JavaScript boost (5, Funny)

ElusiveJoe (1716808) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030458)

Counting all the times I've heard about JavaScript boosts, everything written in that language must be faster than quantum computing now.

Re:Another JavaScript boost (3, Informative)

kangsterizer (1698322) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030802)

that being said its now fast enough to have webgls game in browser.. to have gpg in browser.. to have linux boot in browser, etc hehe

Re:Another JavaScript boost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38031350)

Wish Mozilla would adopt Native Client like Chrome. I don't like being forced into using Javascript.

One question. (2)

Hsien-Ko (1090623) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030462)

How many times can you "boost" Javascript performance?

Re:One question. (2, Informative)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030612)

How many times can you "boost" Javascript performance?

Infinite times. See: Zeno's paradoxes.

Re:One question. (1)

Eponymous Hero (2090636) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030692)

follow the Godwin Moore's Law. you can double javascript performance every 2 years, if you're a nazi.

8 now 9....tomorrow will be 15 (1)

CheshireDragon (1183095) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030474)

I just upgraded to 8 yesterday :/

Oh well, guess they have to catch up to Chrome somehow.

Re:8 now 9....tomorrow will be 15 (4, Informative)

Anonymous Psychopath (18031) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030876)

8.0 is release. 9.0 is beta. 10.0 is alpha. When a new version goes gold, as happened with 8.0 a short time ago, the beta and alpha versions bump up. It's standard practice for software but for some reason pisses everyone on Slashdot off with Firefox.

Re:8 now 9....tomorrow will be 15 (2)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030916)

It's definitely not standard practice for software to label minor releases as major releases and bump the version number accordingly.

Re:8 now 9....tomorrow will be 15 (2)

JonySuede (1908576) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031348)

You are right. They broke everything that was rigth with the world: %regexpr[Major\.Minor\.Patch(\-\{classifier})+] with the following rules was perfect :
1-increment patch if you change nothing public to fix a bug, minor if you add something, avoid breaking compatibility at all cost.
2-increment minor, reset patch if you add a new backward compatible feature to a public API.
3-increment major, reset minor and set patch to 2 on the addition of some major backward incompatible features ;)

Re:8 now 9....tomorrow will be 15 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38031448)

my mavenized escaped regexes are a from version of java made by priests in Scotland for drunken monks. If I remember correctly that version is called scotch; I sincerely recommend the 50+% cask style releases, like the Abunda'h numbered batches from Aberlour or the Cask Strength limited editions from Glenkinchie.

Re:8 now 9....tomorrow will be 15 (5, Insightful)

owlnation (858981) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031098)

8.0 is release. 9.0 is beta. 10.0 is alpha. When a new version goes gold, as happened with 8.0 a short time ago, the beta and alpha versions bump up. It's standard practice for software but for some reason pisses everyone on Slashdot off with Firefox.

The "some reason" is that 1. it's preposterously rapid.

8 was out on Tuesday, now 9 beta is available, by next Tuesday 9 will be out and 10beta will be ready by next Friday.

And 2. that the whole number releases are NOT really new versions. Well, some of them are, but how do you know which ones?

I know the idiot developers at Mozilla think this is no big deal. One of them even said so on this site earlier this week. But it is a BIG FUCKING DEAL. It's breaks add-ons. People have better things to do that try to fix that every week. It also screws up sites that NEED older versions to work -- like banking sites. But if you stick with the old version it screws up sites like Gmail because they need the latest "version" or 3. It's a catch 22. There is now ABSOLUTELY NO POSSIBLE WAY, NONE, of using Firefox throughout the majority of web that most regular people need to do. You absolutely HAVE to use more than one browser for your daily needs. This is worse utility than they had with 0.86. And the reason is simply VANITY and EGO.

It's fucked up. Totally fucked up. And the only reason Mozilla are doing this is because it makes them feel like their dicks are bigger than everyone else's.

Just like with Netscape, Mozilla is determined to bloat their browser into the ground. They are already bleeding users, just because of this numbering system. And they are too dumb, and too vain, to reverse the retarded decision.

But hey, let them learn the hard way, very soon they will be too unemployed to make such retarded decisions again.

Re:8 now 9....tomorrow will be 15 (3, Insightful)

KaLeVR1 (34637) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031566)

It pisses people off because Mozilla has inflated their versioning system. They are incrementing quickly not because they are integrating major, watershed features but because they want to pump up the version number quickly. This is because marketers believe consumers view version numbers as an indicator of a product's maturity. To such people, Chrome would seem to be way out in front. So they are forcing all of these reinstalls and obsoleting extensions over and over for little gain, all because their marketing folks think this will help with market share.

I think we've all been insulted.

Do not like this release schedule at all (2)

warp_kez (711090) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030492)

Since Firefox 7, it has been locking up periodically when on YouTube, this was supposed to have been fixed with version 8, and nope it is still locking up when closing a flash enabled page.

Seriously thinking of going back to IE, or finishing the migration to Chrome.

Re:Do not like this release schedule at all (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030688)

I view Youtube with Chrome, but download Youtube vids using Firefox.

Easy enough to have multiple browsers open on any modern PC.

Re:Do not like this release schedule at all (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030990)

If you want, you can have multiple operating systems open on any modern PC. Seems that is like strapping a Honda trailbike on to your Chevy Volt which is bolted on to the bed of an F350 Pickup. At some point you have to ask yourself why.

Re:Do not like this release schedule at all (2)

PwnzerDragoon (2014464) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031570)

You might take a look at YouTube Downloader [google.com] for Chrome. Adds a handy menu below any youtube video for downloading the video in various resolutions. The only time I need to use Firefox for this now are other places like Dailymotion the extension doesn't support.

Re:Do not like this release schedule at all (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38031428)

You want 7.04, or 8.2, but not 7.0, 8.1 or 7.04 alpha. That was fixed in the sub-developer-beta stream, and will be available when 9.0 gets into the mainstream release (but not the 64 bit version).

It's simple. I don't know why people have a problem with this version number thing!

Slashvertising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38030500)

Although I think the FF guys can set their version numbers any way they want, why does every single beta of what is in reality a minor revision level need a front-page story?

I guess that's one bonus the version number change has had for the FF project.

I don't use Firefox (2, Insightful)

murphyje (965004) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030506)

I stopped using Firefox in favor of Chrome, years ago, when I saw Chrome had bookmark syncing and incognito Windows. Firefox has, since, tried to replicate these behaviors only to be way off the mark. When I want access to my bookmarks it's because I'm /not/ at my computer. Also, putting the entire browser into private mode, is not what I need, only a single window for when I'm browsing sites I'd rather not keep cache & history of. Now, Firefox continues to chase after Chrome like some weird kid brother. Then there's this versioning issue. While there's no real standard to versions, there is sort of a convention that when the first number in the version changes it means you have either a complete rewrite of the source code or some fundamental change that makes the new version a very new piece of software compared to the old version. I refuse to believe that Firefox has been rewritten from the ground up 4 or 5 times this year. At this point, I'll go back to IE before I'll start using Firefox again.

Re:I don't use Firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38030668)

FYI chrome does version numbering in exactly the same way.
No one ever complains because chrome does silent updates.

Re:I don't use Firefox (2)

Synerg1y (2169962) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030744)

P.S. the updates don't break chrome like they do firefox. They still have QC going in their process.

Re:I don't use Firefox (1)

Korin43 (881732) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031072)

P.S. the updates don't break chrome like they do firefox. They still have QC going in their process.

The only thing Firefox updates break is extensions. Chrome gets around this by not having any extensions worth installing.

Re:I don't use Firefox (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031130)

I want QA and not features. I think that is what Asa Doiltzer is ignorant of. It is not just corporate users but everybody.

Chrome is updated a little quick for me and has a few issues too due to the fast release cycle. But Google does a tremendous job fixing bugs within the next release and is miles ahead of FF. IE is now being updated annually every March too so I need not worry about it stagnating for 7 years before the next release. But it too has great QA work on it and it shows as it just works.

Re:I don't use Firefox (0)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031646)

If Firefox is just going to try to be like Chrome, then why not just use Chrome instead of a bad copy?

FF was great when it stood alone and did its own thing instead of just copying someone else; back then, FF led the way in performance and standards compliance. They even made IE look bad and caused IE to suffer massive marketshare loss. Not any more, now they've resorted to copying Chrome, badly.

Enough is enough (1, Insightful)

Neurotrace (2382180) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030508)

It was worth commenting on Firefox releases right after they started the shorter release cycle. Now it's become the norm and is just a waste of news space to talk about it. If I want to hear the latest news on Firefox builds, I'll follow them on Twitter.

Good (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38030532)

Well half of my extensions were disabled with the 8.0 release and, now that the other half are disabled with 9.0 Beta being out, I guess the implication is that Firefox is good enough to stand on its own without extensions?

I don't see any bug fixes on that list (2)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030582)

Are they addressing the outstanding bugs that came with the new features in version 8? I think there should be a few rounds of point releases to tighten up the code with any major new feature roll-out.

Example: I'm not sure my Twitter searches are coming up with the right results.

Re:I don't see any bug fixes on that list (1)

jlebar (1904578) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030810)

Are they addressing the outstanding bugs that came with the new features in version 8?

These [mozilla.org] are the bugs fixed for FF 8. And these [mozilla.org] are the bugs fixed for FF 9.

Lost track... (1, Insightful)

WrecklessSandwich (1000139) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030610)

I honestly lost track of what the latest release of FF is since Tuesday. I saw this headline and said to myself, "wait, I thought FF9 came out earlier this week?".

Re:Lost track... (1)

Megahard (1053072) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030718)

Don't forget, Daylight Saving Time ended Sunday (in US). If you forgot to change your clocks you might be running the wrong version of Firefox.

Do Not Track = dumbest delusion since DRM (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38030650)

and Do Not Track opt-out detection for developers

1. Why the hell would that not be hard-coded to "Hell no, do not ever track me!".
2. Why the hell would any of those soulless bastards who use tracking in the first place suddenly grow a conscience and care about that feature?

1. If you believe "Do Not Track" works, you also believe that clicking on "unsubscribe" links in mails as well as DRM works.
2. If you are a person who cares about offending and not ripping off people, why do you track them in sneaky crooked ways the first place?

Too many significant digits (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38030660)

Please, at least, ditch the .0 if they are not going to be used.

3rd time lucky? (0)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030690)

I wonder if Firefox will live beyond 9.0. Neither Netscape nor AOL did.

Re:3rd time lucky? (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031100)

It is dying FAST. Truly pathetic is IE finally just got below 50% world wide! ... now it has returned :-(

Thanks Asa.

But the fact that Chrome is going down too shows that perhaps corporations and businesses are slowly switching back to IE as even IE 7 is actually gaining marketshare. Again thanks Asa.

IE 9 is not doing that well either so maybe 9.x is a jinxed version. :-)

A ploy (4, Funny)

enter to exit (1049190) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030704)

This is a ploy by Mozilla to bankrupt MS one cake at a time.

opt-out detection for developers? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030778)

Sounds invasive to me. if i opt out of something why is my browser still squealing on me about doing it?

Or did i misunderstand what was being described?

Finally abandoned FF at v8 (1, Insightful)

rtilghman (736281) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030828)

Auto-updated me to v8, browser started completely freezing and crashing after 60 seconds. Worthless... as much as I love FF and everything it stands for, I don't need a buggy POS that rolls out another poorly QA'd product every two weeks. Switched to chrome and sadly happy with the decision.

-rt

Re:Finally abandoned FF at v8 (1)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031550)

I've been on nightlies since... 6? I've had very few crashes.. maybe one every two weeks or so. I do not run with many extensions any more.. pretty much just adblock noscript and ghostery.

Nothing about this is interesting. (0)

Anonymous Psychopath (18031) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030834)

The story isn't interesting. The comments aren't interesting. All the same things were posted for the last three releases. I'd take a Jon Katz submission over this.

It's only a matter of time... (1)

moriya (195881) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030840)

until we can finally say that Firefox's version is...

OVER 9000!!!!

FF is terrible now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38030854)

Ever since the implementation of HTML5 Firefox has been a memory leaking monstrosity. I would recommend 3.6.24, which does not support HTML5 but is still updated and hardened against exploits. I guess you could call it a fork. In terms of secure stable browsing with FF, it's probably your only option.

Javascript boosts (5, Interesting)

bigsexyjoe (581721) | more than 2 years ago | (#38030868)

We always hear about Javascript speed boosts with all the new browsers. Is there any info for JavaScript developers on how to maximize the benefits? I.E. do the changes mean you should think of a particular coding style to optimize your code speed on a particular browser?

Re:Javascript boosts (2)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031082)

You want to see Javascript boasts? You might be surprised at this [blogspot.com] .

Let it die (4, Insightful)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031056)

I was a FF user since it was called Phoenix, and then Firebird when it was a set of patches for Mozilla. I have been advocating its use since 2004 and switched many computers and friends over. It was a great browser at one time. Unfortunately, its time is coming to an end unless drastic things improve.

To me FF in the 2010s is more similiar to the IE 6 of the 2000s I ran away from. Its rapid release schedule increased the popularity of IE [statcounter.com] in the US from users and corporations not liking FF anymore. Chrome according to that site is about tied with FF worldwide and will soon overtake it for #2.

The saddest thing for me is not the current state of FF. It is the fact that I am using IE more and more and preferring IE 9 over FF. IE 10 will give FF a run for its money [blogspot.com] and even Chrome next March when it is released. It is complete opposite of 2005 now and it is amazing it happened in such a very short period of time.

Fix your bugs Mozilla and I may come back like I did with IE. Until then I recommend everyone use Chrome or IE. FF is just too unreliable.

Firefox is great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38031070)

Seriously I love frequent updates. It never freezed for me and and I dont remember when it crashed. Tab groups is badass feature now cant browse without it. Haters gonna hate.

sanity check (1, Interesting)

alienzed (732782) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031090)

OK so the Mozilla team thinks releasing new versions every other day is a good thing. Have they ever considered that it might actually take users time to find and report all the bugs in the first place? There's more just the programmers involved when it comes to perfecting software...

Why would I want that? (2)

mrmeval (662166) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031128)

I just need to wait a couple of months for ver13! Then I wait every two months for 15, 19, 27, 38, 64, 129, 300, 1025 .....

Hell I think I'll wait for V 1025, maybe they'll have fixed the memory leaks and quit shitting on extensions and plugins by then.

why is it that... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38031242)

retards always rise to the top of any hierarchy and rain their stupidity down on the rest of society...

Javascript lock in (2)

Tanaka (37812) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031398)

If they would only just adopt Native Client like Google has, then we wouldn't have this terrible Javascript lock in. Let me use whatever language I like.

Dear Mozilla... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38031424)

http://youtu.be/zKKhCWXHekY

Firefox is as high as a kite (1)

WaffleMonster (969671) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031458)

It used to be every time I ran firefox it would download and install a security fix.

Now every time I run firefox it installs whole new versions.

Seriously settle down guys or at least reweight your versioning system so it seems less scary. Your frightening a lot of people who assume you have all gone batshit.

In spite of the fact the numbering means nothing, (1)

troff (529250) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031482)

... 7.0 started locking up (consistently, 100% of the time) within 2 minutes on a workplace VirtualBox VM (under the same distribution I run at home). And I need a browser with a pop-up window due to the way our workplace allows access to the outside world.

8.0 didn't fix the lockup and started rendering text-fields in black so I've had to remove that from home.

My partner said she hated the black text fields so I took us back to the 6.0 still archived in /usr/lib. In the workplace VM I went back to 3.6.24.

On the up side, I can check 9.0 by the time I get a coffee and 10.0 probably by the time I finish my news read.

On the down sides, they'll probably both be broken too. I don't know if I can make the jump to Chrome or something else, I've been there since the Netscape days, damnit.

11 and I'm in Heaven (1)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031506)

well maybe not.. but us bleeding edger's are on 11 boys and girls.

So.... tired... can't.... go.... on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38031516)

I have firefox fatigue. Tired of the upgrades.... I quit.

Firefox to Chrome to Safari (4, Insightful)

sqrt(2) (786011) | more than 2 years ago | (#38031668)

These version numbers are getting ridiculous. They'll be up to 2x.0 by next year at this rate. And every time they manage to break something.

I switched to Chrome a while ago, but now I'm using Safari because I like the OS X Lion integration that it seems only Apple is interested in or capable of providing. Native gestures (which FF now has, apparently), integrated dictionary lookup, autocorrect built into the spell checker. And it just feels faster, even when FF has no add-ons enabled.

If FF can do all that I'll switch back.

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