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Motorola Reinvents the RAZR

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the remember-when-clamshells-were-hip dept.

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zacharye writes with news that Motorola has reinvented their popular RAZR clam-shell phone as an Android smartphone. The new device is 4G LTE-capable and 7.1mm thick, and it contains "a 1.2GHz dual-core TI OMAP processor, a 4.3-inch qHD Super AMOLED display, 1GB of RAM, an 8-megapixel camera with 1080p HD video capture, an LED flash, an HDMI-out port, noise cancellation capabilities, 16GB of built-in storage and a 16GB microSD card pre-installed." iFixit did a teardown of the phone, finding that the construction necessary for such thinness will make repairs problematic.

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One simple question... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38035994)

How many people actually try to fix their own phones? Even on /. I have to imagine that the number is low.

Re:One simple question... (3, Interesting)

Calos (2281322) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036022)

I know a few people who have done LCD/glass swaps, that's really the biggest thing you can easily do. And it certainly beats buying a new phone...

Re:One simple question... (4, Insightful)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036160)

Like putting in a new battery?

Call me when they make it as simple as it is with my old school RAZR.

Re:One simple question... (4, Interesting)

realityimpaired (1668397) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036366)

I'd be more worried about heat generation than how to actually repair the thing. Sounds like it's very densely packed electronics, coupled with one of the fastest processors ever put into a phone. Even if the thing is 99% idle 99% of the time, that still runs the risk of the thing overheating at some point in its usable life.

Re:One simple question... (5, Interesting)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036598)

It's not as thin as the summary (or article) would imply - there is a big-ass bulge at the top of the device that apparently holds the speakers and camera. I don't know how they get away with selling as 7.1mm thick. They also made the unit wider than other phones with the same size screen, presumably because they needed the space. I haven't used one, but unless you have large hands, one-handed operation is supposedly difficult because of the width.

Repair a smartphone?? (5, Insightful)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036000)

Aren't they meant to be disposable? I thought you just threw them away when they became obsolete after six months.

Re:Repair a smartphone?? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036036)

I've never known anybody to just throw away a smartphone that works. They pack them away in a drawer, sell them or hand them down, but never throw away.

My sister is still using a 2g iPhone with no intention of upgrading as long as it works.

Re:Repair a smartphone?? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036270)

Thrown in a box is more like it... with a few exceptions such as kids (first timer cell phone or maybe just a better phone compared to the 'free ones' provided by cell phone companies?) or other people who like to salvage working things.

Re:Repair a smartphone?? (1)

AmberBlackCat (829689) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036562)

I think I have had maybe 4 or 5 cellphones in my life. The EVO 3D I have now is the only one I ever paid for. The first one was free when we opened the account, and each one after that was passed on to me by my brother or sister. Both of them always get the newest "smartphone" that comes out so they always have one to hand down to me. And they have phones lying around to spare, as do I. So yes people put those things away and yes, at least some people pass them on to other people. But the only time I've ever seen somebody throw one away was on "Life According to Liz" on MTV, when "Liz" threw hers in the river because she was on a date with a guy.

Re:Repair a smartphone?? (3, Interesting)

camperdave (969942) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036660)

I'm still using a 10+ year old Handspring Visor. Unfortunately, it's literally falling apart, and I'll need to find a new PDA. Some of these smartphones look interesting. The various stores around here want to sell me a cell package first, and from there I get to choose a phone, rather than letting me choose a phone, then choosing a cell package. Is that normal? It seems backwards to me.

Re:Repair a smartphone?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036214)

yeah obsolete... They stop letting you make calls, or read emails, or reminding you of everything. And the brand new smart phones not only do oh so much more, but they do it slightly faster.

Obseletard needs to stfu.

Re:Repair a smartphone?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036392)

Sure the old ones can do all that. And so can the viruses that live on them because the manufacturer and/or carrier won't update them. Oh, and you can't get the special headphone/charger/dock cords anymore. Might as well be obsolete.

Re:Repair a smartphone?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036644)

Yup. They quit making regular old usb cables to plug into my phone to charge. Same with micro-sd.

Sure can't find any dock or headphone cables to go on that old original iphone either, nope.

Re:Repair a smartphone?? (-1, Offtopic)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036412)

You know what I hate? I hate motherfuckers who listen to music out loud on their phones, polluting my serene environment with their cacophonous garbage. I understand the concept of instant gratification as well as anybody else, but you should not be allowed to be in public if you're too stupid or too weak to stand listening to yourself think for a few minutes.

Additionally, your phones are not audiophile-grade stereo systems. They have a shitty, scratchy-sounding little speaker with the frequency response of a chalkboard screech. So when you're forcing those around you to listen your 50-Cent garbage, the shrill quality of the already-stupid audio is adding injury to insult.

Do you know that scene in Star Trek 4 when Spock nerve-pinches the punk on the bus? Do you know that scene in Star Trek: TNG when Worf snatches the lute out of Geordi's hands and bashes it against a tree? Well, I want to beat the shit out of you, the annoying asshole playing music out loud, on your cell-phone, in public. You are truly scum.

Re:Repair a smartphone?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036650)

Same thing for me, but it's about assholes with 50 megawatts subwoofers in their fucking cars that can be heard 5 miles around.

Re:Repair a smartphone?? (2)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036340)

Nah, it's just in insane countries where political maneuvering has resulted in [the desired outcome of] labor being priced through the roof.

Here in China, I've gotten several smartphones repaired. Mine, and those belonging to others. I've gotten my electric shaver repaired [twice], my laptop, the exhaust fan in my bathroom, my air conditioner, and probably others I've forgotten about. It's amazing what can be done when the mandated cost of labor isn't $35/hour.

Re:Repair a smartphone?? (0)

Taty'sEyes (2373326) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036470)

I've never paid $35 and hour for a repair of anything. It is either free (I do it myself or "thanks neighbor") or the quote is like $75 an hour plus parts (nearly the price of the thing being repaired). I say quote because I have never followed through with a repair. I just buy a new whatever it is.

Re:Repair a smartphone?? (0)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036608)

Or when you can afford to buy food with half as much money. Cost of living in China is still way below the US, no wonder they get paid less.

Re:Repair a smartphone?? (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036682)

Let's question, for a moment, why food costs less. Could it have to do with the insane cost of labor in other countries? Let's not examine this inconvenient truth.

Re:Repair a smartphone?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036734)

Let's question, for a moment, why food costs less. .

Could it be because there are no regulations causing the producers to spend money to keep things clean and safe? Perhaps it costs less because it is full of lead and melamine? Or is that stuff just for export?

Went on sale Nov. 11th at 11:11? Really? (1, Insightful)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036034)

I don't know whether to be impressed by their gall or appalled at their ignorance. More likely the latter; to the marketing types who come up with this kind of gimmick, anything that happened more than five minutes ago is one with Ninevah and Tyre.

(And yes, I know it was 11:00 in 1918. Somehow that makes this worse, not better.)

Re:Went on sale Nov. 11th at 11:11? Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036170)

In fairness, I've seen a lot of advertising for other companies recently using 11.11.11 as a key date; It's one of those those dates that's incredibly easy to remember, and that's what matters to marketing types. If you want to be mad at someone, it should be consumerist society.

Re:Went on sale Nov. 11th at 11:11? Really? (1)

mariasama16 (1895136) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036300)

On top of that, if you bought the phone yesterday, it was $111.11. Today? Its $300.

Re:Went on sale Nov. 11th at 11:11? Really? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036314)

Why is this so objectionable? I don't get it.

Re:Went on sale Nov. 11th at 11:11? Really? (2)

Cinder6 (894572) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036426)

11/11/1918 was Armistice Day, and it occurred at 11:00. "Eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month" and all that. But I'm not sure why that makes this objectionable. It's celebrating the end of the war if it's celebrating anything, which--last I knew--was a good thing.

Re:Went on sale Nov. 11th at 11:11? Really? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036456)

In many countries Armistice Day is not a celebration of the end of the war but a sombre remembrance of the those who died fighting for their country,

Re:Went on sale Nov. 11th at 11:11? Really? (3, Insightful)

migla (1099771) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036724)

Remembrance(TM) of your departed loved ones, brought to you by Mc Donalds. Coca-Cola with the United Fruit, Inc. presents Peace(TM) and Happiness(TM). Have a nice(TM) day, in association with Nike.

Re:Went on sale Nov. 11th at 11:11? Really? (1)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036870)

Yes, that's it exactly. Thank you.

Re:Went on sale Nov. 11th at 11:11? Really? (1)

jpapon (1877296) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036370)

Well, you have to admit, 11.11.11 is a pretty awesome date. We won't see another like it in our lifetimes.

Re:Went on sale Nov. 11th at 11:11? Really? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036384)

12.12.12?

Re:Went on sale Nov. 11th at 11:11? Really? (1)

FrostedWheat (172733) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036422)

That's only 50% as good

Re:Went on sale Nov. 11th at 11:11? Really? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036430)

Well, it's kinda like it. Not quite as cool because 11.11.11 is all ones. I can't wait for 13.13.13.

Re:Went on sale Nov. 11th at 11:11? Really? (1)

MagusSlurpy (592575) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036566)

I'm not excited about that one. Lousy Smarch weather.

Re:Went on sale Nov. 11th at 11:11? Really? (2)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036668)

2012-12-12 is not binary-compliant.

Re:Went on sale Nov. 11th at 11:11? Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036710)

Well, there's always 12.12.12 in about 13 months.

Re:Went on sale Nov. 11th at 11:11? Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036834)

Actually, since calendar dates are completely arbitrary, all we have to do to see another like it in our lifetimes is use a different calendar. Big deal.

Re:Went on sale Nov. 11th at 11:11? Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036836)

Right, 'cuz we'll all be dead by 12.12.12

HDMI? (1)

Renraku (518261) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036042)

Why would anyone want HDMI on their phones? Are the phones really powerful enough to output an HD signal to TVs that people would want to watch?

Re:HDMI? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036090)

im assuming its so you can easily show videos/pics youve recording on the device?

Re:HDMI? (1)

kingcool1432 (993113) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036098)

Yes.

Re:HDMI? (3, Informative)

LilWolf (847434) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036102)

Simply put, yes.

My HTC Desire Z plays the 720p videos it records beautifully on a big TV. No reason why similar things can't be achieved with 1080p.

Re:HDMI? (4, Informative)

john.r.strohm (586791) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036116)

With "a 1.2GHz dual-core TI OMAP processor, 1GB of RAM, an 8-megapixel camera with 1080p HD video capture, 16GB of built-in storage and a 16GB microSD card pre-installed", off the top of my head I'd say "Dern tootin' it is powerful enough!"

It hasn't been that many years since that would have been a supercomputer filling a large room, doing really nice ray-traced imagery. It is a fairly respectable desktop machine even today, except for the small disk drive. (And multi-gigabyte disk drives haven't been around THAT long.)

A cluster of those puppies, with a big disk server attached, would probably be really nice for doing, uhhh, "stellar lifecycle modeling" on the cheap.

Re:HDMI? (5, Funny)

friedman101 (618627) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036306)

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of them

Re:HDMI? (2, Funny)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036766)

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of them

Still might fit in your pocket (or purse/backpack). Might make for nice bar chatter...
"Say... Is that a Beowulf Cluster in your pants or are you just happy to see me?"

Re:HDMI? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036352)

Meh, it's not as impressive as you seem to think. Even with both cores that CPU is not even equivalent to a 10-year-old 800 Mhz Pentium III (back then 1GB of RAM was common as well).

You have to keep in mind that these are low power consumption devices so even at 1.2 Ghz they're really damn weak compared to modern desktop CPU's.

Even compared to 80's technology, other than size, they're not that impressive. Size is a big thing though, not the computing power.

Re:HDMI? (3, Interesting)

sdguero (1112795) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036532)

I don't think you can really compare a 4th gen TI OMAP processoer with a built in GPU and ARM instruction set to an Intel PIII with MMX/SSE instruction sets.

However, if we look at raw flops... The TI in a RAZR is capable of 4.8Gflops, a little less than 1/2 a P4 at 3.0Ghz and around 4x that of a 1Ghz PIII (don't have exact numbers on me, but the PIII was first processor to break 1Gflop barrier). And if you consider power requirements, heat signature, and cost per unit, the disparity is far greater. Back ins 2000, 1Gflop cost about $1000 in computing hardware. As we approach the year 2012, 1Gflop cost is nearing $1 of hardware (and huge savings in power usage). That is pretty amazing to me.

So yeah. Comparing a TI OMAP processor to a PII is retarded. Good thing it was only an anonymous coward...

Re:HDMI? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036906)

I love just having output cables for the iphone. if there was an HDMI out on it, it would be awesome. I don't think people realize that smart phones are now mini PCs. I can hook up my iphone to a friends tv and watch veetle or netflix through the tv off of 3G instead of taking the time/legal liability to crack a WEP or maybe there are no neighbors with wifi. yes, there is a reason for hdmi. I also am beginning to enjoy mobile gaming. RAGE on iphone... or I'm jailbroken so I have emulators. hook it up to the tv, pop out a couple of wiimotes and play Super Mario Bros. 1 on my NES emu.

Re:HDMI? (4, Insightful)

Nyall (646782) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036164)

Yes they are powerful enough.
Second, some people want to use their tv as a slide show projector.
Third, its an extra feature for those people out there who shop based on feature lists.
Fourth it creates a need for people to buy a mini HDMI to full size converter. Even if its just to experiment with and never use again.

Re:HDMI? (2)

Spirilis (3338) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036210)

As mentioned, yes, but additionally these things have "WebTop" which is some ARM-compiled distro of Ubuntu with firefox and maybe a few others running on that HDMI port. Looking at a ps listing on one of these you'll see "/usr/bin/Xorg" running.

Re:HDMI? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036240)

> Are the phones really powerful enough to output an HD signal to TVs that people would want to watch?

Well, given that it can record at 1080p, it doesn't seem surprising that it can output a "signal" at the same rate. Let's not get over ourselves, though, we're only talking a 2 MP frame (1920 x 1080 = 2,073,600).

Now, do I want to watch your amateur home video, recorded through a shitty dirty lens, hand-held with crappy sound? No. Not unless we're talking some heavy Rodney King style police brutality which you just witnessed. In that case, it'd better be uploaded to five different servers before anybody watches it off the phone.

So answer is still: No.

Re:HDMI? (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036420)

I assumed it would be for watching streamed video, or fully downloaded movies that you transferred from your PC.

Re:HDMI? (1)

reub2000 (705806) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036760)

If it's anything like my Atrix, then the feature is mostly a gimick. Basically, connecting the HDMI cable launches a special media player. It will only play certain formats with a really bad interface.

Re:HDMI? (1)

J. T. MacLeod (111094) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036410)

Not only are they powerful enough, they're getting even more powerful (well, as I'm sure you guessed...).

The iPhone 4 and higher end Android phones are capable of 3D graphics performance that can look like a current-generation console (concessions are made, but clever design can make that non-obvious), and they do it at nigh-HD resolutions. In just a short couple of years, we're going to have phones that meet or beat the consoles currently attached to TVs. Certainly, more powerful consoles will be out by that time, but we're getting to the point where not as important--and it'll probably be even less important when a person can have a game on their phone and TV. There are a lot of other issues there (controls, conveniently attaching a phone to a TV, what to do with calls), but there are the beginnings for answers to those right now, and it'll be answered fairly well when it becomes a more practical possibility.

Re:HDMI? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036520)

I use the HDMI port on my G2x all of the time to watch 1080p videos on my TV.

Re:HDMI? (0)

MagusSlurpy (592575) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036588)

Supposedly, yes. It captures and plays 1080p video.

Re:HDMI? (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036616)

Why would anyone want HDMI on their phones? Are the phones really powerful enough to output an HD signal to TVs that people would want to watch?

Powerful enough?
Absolutely.
Or to your computer monitor.
It doesn't take a lot of power. Its just a digital signal down a wire.

The question of merit is your first one: WHY.

HDMI chips are incredibly cheap, usually built into the processor itself. They sort of fall out processor design as a freebe.
Practical use is almost nil.

You might find an occasional opportunity to shoot the video on the phone of the kids birthday party and play it back on the TV.
But storing feature length film (or streaming them) from your phone to your TV set is seldom done by anyone. (Especially not over cellular networks
where data caps make this impractical).

In most households a laptop with a wifi connection is the easiest way to get a streaming movie from netflix (or what ever) to the big screen on the wall.
The use case for doing this with a smart phone is simply nothing but a gimmick.

Does anybody actually buy Motorola phones? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036044)

The last Motorola phone I had was such a buggy piece of shit that I never consider them anymore and, having the Nexus Galaxy around the corner, why would anyone buy a Motorola handset?

--
I'm an arrogant asshole [mailto] , so I work for Google now.

Re:Does anybody actually buy Motorola phones? (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036112)

... because since Google bought them I would hope that they will consider these 'halo' phones for Android. I'm not sure about the quality of this one as it's pretty soon after the purchase, but I'm hoping they pump up the quality.

Re:Does anybody actually buy Motorola phones? (1)

Bill Dimm (463823) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036238)

Has the purchase even closed yet? From the press release [google.com] :

The transaction is expected to close by the end of 2011 or early 2012.

It might be a little early for the Google purchase to have any impact on the phones. Hopefully someday, though.

Re:Does anybody actually buy Motorola phones? (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036142)

You know, I keep meaning to check with you to ensure my purchases meet your standards, but I keep forgetting to actually care enough to do it.

Re:Does anybody actually buy Motorola phones? (1)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036586)

I actually loved my RAZR - kept it as long as I had it. Never liked the ones from LG or Nokia. I'm glad that Mot is bringing it back, although I'm somewhat missing the flip phone aspect to it. I do hope it's capable of supporting the 64GB microSD card that was announced a while ago, and also, that it supports camera & video. Am glad they're making it 4G. So will this phone be Mot branded or Google?

Re:Does anybody actually buy Motorola phones? (1)

phaserbanks (1977290) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036610)

Wondering this too. If I'm gonna spend this much, I want an Ice Cream Sandwich phone, not something made to run last year's software.

And battery life? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036056)

Of about 45 minutes... And abysmal sound quality. I miss my MD player with 1 week playback time from one AA battery.

Re:And battery life? (2)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036118)

That was probably a Sony device and actually supplemented the battery's power by consuming your life-force.

Re:And battery life? (2)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036568)

Oh come on, let's be realistic here, the amount of lifeforce that Sony devices sucks is minimal. I use my PSP, three walkmen and a sony TV everyday just to keep my nails from growing.

You're blowing this way out of proportion.

Re:And battery life? (1)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036600)

My last RAZR lasted ~ 2 days w/o recharging. Since it was the first generation, the camera resolution was bad, and it had no microSD slots, but other than that, it was good.

Reinvented? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036058)

Seems a bit of an overstatement, how about slapped the Razr brand on a modern smartphone which isn't a clamshell.

Re:Reinvented? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036640)

There are many people who haven't moved to smartphones yet because they dislike having 'touchscreen only' phones. I'm historically a bit behind the curve on technology (I guess that means I'm getting old?), and when I picked up my first (HTC HD2, due to its adaptability), it was a bit of a begrudging change. There is something to be said about the tactility of having buttons you can press without looking at the device, and still having it input data accurately.

I suspect they're going after the "want a physical keyboard on my smartphone" demographic. I know a couple people are clinging to their blackberries and slider phones (eg. TP2) for this very reason.

Re:Reinvented? (1)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036764)

Seems a bit of an overstatement, how about slapped the Razr brand on a modern smartphone which isn't a clamshell.

Exactly. Kind of like handing someone a dishtowel and suddenly calling it a "Kleenex"...tends to promote a few "hey, what the hell?" responses...

Re:Reinvented? (1)

Kaetemi (928767) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036826)

Yeah. I want a dual touch-screen clamshell smartphone. Now. One that actually flips open in the right direction, too, you know, the direction so that you can actually use it to call, and so that people can actually hear what you're saying on the other side of the line.

Also, to you smartphone users, I can't hear a thing you say when you call me. Please talk closer to your microphone next time, thank you.

My Motorola Freezes (1, Offtopic)

fsckmnky (2505008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036070)

I have an el-cheapo motorola flip phone w/ camera, and if I leave it powered on for an extended period of time, it locks up. It locks up in the most annoying fashion however. It appears to be working, the display is still lit, the screen goes on/off when you open/close it, but it doesnt receive messages or phone calls, and then when you finally look to see if you have messages, it locks up. Annoying as hell.

Sound quality is good when it works tho.

Anyone else have stability issues to report ? Any wonderful praises of no problems whatsoever ?

Seems to me that as the software gets more complex, the phone gets less reliable. (try hard to not accuse me of making a broad sweeping generalization)

Re:My Motorola Freezes (1)

phillymjs (234426) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036174)

I had a Moto SLVR that was kind of bitchy like that. I put up with it for about 6 months, until I found a good deal on an unlocked Sony-Ericsson K550i on eBay. That phone lasted me a year and a half, until I gave in and got an iPhone.

"Appears to be working, but isn't" is about the worst way a phone can act up on you. I had that happen with multiple WinMo based HTC phones over the years. Definitely not fun when your job includes on-call duty. After the first time I got burned while on-call I had them direct that stuff to my personal cell and not my company-issued WinMo piece of shit.

Re:My Motorola Freezes (1)

fsckmnky (2505008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036256)

Yeah. Call me old fashioned and/or crazy, but a phone that doesn't receive calls or messages, is useless as a phone.

Phone smarts versus Smart phones ... I prefer the former to the later.

Re:My Motorola Freezes (1)

HouseOfMisterE (659953) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036204)

I have a Net10 pay-as-you-go LG el-cheapo flip phone that does something similar. Occasionally, it will lose sync with the cell network and no longer receive or send normal calls. The phone indicates "Emergency Use Only" if I try to make a call when this happens. The phone never actually locks up, though, and a power cycle fixes things. Kinda sucks, but I don't use the phone very much and it costs me $15/month to keep it (I buy Net10 300min/60day cards for $30). There is a visual indicator on this phone that lets me know when it has dropped signal. When things are working properly the word "Home" is displayed on the LCD, and it's not there when the phone has lost signal.

Re:My Motorola Freezes (1)

fsckmnky (2505008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036232)

Interesting. Mine is a tracfone ( same company as Net10 I believe ). Maybe its their crippleware patches and/or network setup ( I know they don't own their own towers, but they still have software / systems in the loop somewhere ).

Re:My Motorola Freezes (1)

fsckmnky (2505008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036296)

Modded down for being "100% offtopic" ? Do you work for motorola or something ? sheesh.

Re:My Motorola Freezes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036542)

What the shit does some antique piece of shit running a completely different software stack and hardware have to do with a new smartphone?

Re:My Motorola Freezes (1)

fsckmnky (2505008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036574)

Quality Control ... der

Re:My Motorola Freezes (1)

Kaetemi (928767) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036838)

My RAZR V3 randomly reboots itself.

In Other news (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036158)

Nokia renames the Lumia as the 3310.
Windows 8 is released as Windows Me2
Firefox 9 is released as Firebird 1.0.

RAZR used to be quite a nice phone (1)

gshegosh (1587463) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036168)

Now, there's nothing said about battery life when talking about phones. I've had a Motorola smartphone once, my laptop works longer on a charge.

Re:RAZR used to be quite a nice phone (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036810)

I never understood the lure of the RAZR, I got one with an upgrade a few months after everyone started raving about them - it was the tackiest, cheapest phone I have ever had. The UI was shit, the features were shit, the battery life wasnt all that great. What was so spectacular about it?

I sold it after a couple of weeks and stuck to my Samsung clamshell - best phone I ever had pre-smartphone.

Most aren't all that hard to repair (1)

dschnur (61074) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036186)

For the most part, replacing glass, lcd panels or case parts isn't hard in most smart phones. There are many video walk-troughs on Youtube for almost any model. Parts are available on eBay and several web sites for nearly all smart phones and tablets.

I've fixed *many* broken smart phones for my wife, friends, and "the person at the office next door who heard I can do it."

If you have steady hands and can follow instructions, basic smart phone repair is pretty simple.

When iFixit says "might be hard to repair," they probably mean it.

is the razr fast enouh? (1)

Tyrannosaur (2485772) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036218)

I remember the original razrs- they were super slow. Slow with texting, slow with menus, slow with everything. Hopefully these new ones will not live up to that legacy.

Is it too much to ask... (4, Insightful)

Millennium (2451) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036244)

Come on. Can't even one smartphone maker do a decent clamshell design? I've found the slide mechanism on slide-outs way too vulnerable to breakdowns, and the bar phones are even worse. When did the idea of a reliable case design that protects the important stuff go out of fashion?

Re:Is it too much to ask... (4, Insightful)

mustPushCart (1871520) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036290)

When apple stopped doing it.

Re:Is it too much to ask... (4, Funny)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036584)

That's not fair. When RIM put out the Pearl Flip, that's when everyone realized it wasn't cool anymore.

Re:Is it too much to ask... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036302)

when corning said, hey, check out this new glass we made.

Re:Is it too much to ask... (3, Insightful)

J. T. MacLeod (111094) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036454)

Today's giant scree designs make clamshell a bit difficult. You could have the hinge on the other side, but that makes vertical operation awkward. You could keep the traditional clamshell orientation, but then it becomes a very long, weird device... unless you make the screen smaller, which just isn't what makes a desirable smartphone for the vast majority of people.

They do make cases for people such as yourself, though: http://www.oriongadgets.com/Apple-iPhone-3GS-Leather-Flip-Type-Case-Crocodile-Pattern-Red-pid-5305.html

Re:Is it too much to ask... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036544)

There are Android clamshell phones, for instance the SCH-W999 [pocketnow.com] from Samsung or the Aquos Hybrid 007SH from Sharp (same link).

Finally (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036298)

This is the purchase that will finally make me happy, I just know it!

Huge Screens (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036376)

Why is it that most of the high-end smart phones come with these huge screens? For me the size of an Iphone is much better suited, and I might be willing to go a tad larger, but with the new Nexus at 4.6x", how am I supposed to put it anywhere?

Re:Huge Screens (1)

man_of_mr_e (217855) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036676)

Because it's too hard to read those tiny screens, especially when you're sufing or trying to read a book. Even navigation works better with larger screens.

Most of the "smart phone" features require more screen space to be effective.

Re:Huge Screens (1)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036778)

Why is it that most of the high-end smart phones come with these huge screens? For me the size of an Iphone is much better suited, and I might be willing to go a tad larger, but with the new Nexus at 4.6x", how am I supposed to put it anywhere?

Er, "put" it anywhere? The designers and vendors don't imagine such a device ever leaving your hand, which is why they try and cram as much entertainment value (dual cameras, HD recording and playback, streaming video, etc, etc.) into a device that USED to just make phone calls.

Thus, if it fits in your hand, what seems to be the problem...

More informative yesterday (2)

slaad (589282) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036404)

This probably would have been more informative yesterday when amazon was selling them for $111.11.

Re:More informative yesterday (1)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036628)

With a 2 year plan, you should be able to get them for $11.11

BGR??? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38036658)

Is it really called a Bugger?

It's.. It's.. (1)

Thomas Charron (1485) | more than 2 years ago | (#38036688)

That's a Motorolla Photon with a keyboard!

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