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The only people in the world and the party that i (5, Interesting)

unity100 (970058) | more than 2 years ago | (#38051942)

can easily and truly say that, 'they represent me'.

i have given no allowance or authority to any other party, or representative, up till this point.

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38052096)

Does it bother you at all that the "right" to download movies and music without paying for it is your most deeply held political belief? Because it makes me sad for being a member of the human race.

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (1, Troll)

DanTheStone (1212500) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052134)

If you think that's what the Pirate Party holds as its political platform, you're an idiot or a shill.

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38052176)

No but that's what most of its supporters care about. If you don't think that, you're an idiot.

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (3, Insightful)

CrystalFalcon (233559) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052242)

Yeah.

OR, you could check the actual data from the election researchers where the Pirate Party has had successes, which shows a different picture.

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38052258)

If you think that, you're an idiot.
 
PS: Atleast, its as good as the parent retort.

The naive mindset (1)

AdamJS (2466928) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052298)

Yes. Everyone everywhere is an idiot, or care as much about things like intellectual rights and content restrictions as the average American, which is not at all.

Of course.
Why, that's exactly why there could never be successful concert that used only creative commons works and artists rather than big names!
Oh wait.

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (3, Interesting)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052576)

What's wrong with caring about the moral and economic repercussions of allowing corporations to own ideas? Or caring about government-sanctioned (or even run) extortion against citizens and unaffiliated content producers? Copyright needs to end. If the pirate party is the only party backing that move, then I support it. It doesn't mean that is the only issue I care about, but that I can't support a party that supports copyright.

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (5, Informative)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052818)

As far as I know, the Pirate Party does NOT support the end of copyright. They support reducing it substantially. So if you cannot support a party that supports copyright, this isn't the party for you.

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (2)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052848)

Copyright needs to end.

I can't agree with that, but it certainly needs reform. Twenty years for a copyright would be OK with me, and I don't think sharing or other noncommercial use should be illegal. I think they should go back to making a copyright date on a work mandatory (it isn't because the terms are so rediculously long). I'd like the registration fees to drop back down to twenty bucks or even farther.

Copyright has been a good thing in the past, in its present form it's an abomination that hinders creativity.

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (1)

king neckbeard (1801738) | more than 2 years ago | (#38054052)

I don't think it actually has been a good thing in the past, it just hasn't been awful enough to offset social and technological progress. The idea of copyright is a strange holdover from medieval economics, which is where privately held legal monopolies should have stayed.

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (4, Insightful)

wootest (694923) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052316)

Now, now. I respect the right of anonymous people to be misinformed, even loudly. There's no need to call them names.

I have voted for them every chance I've gotten and I download everything I possibly can from iTunes, to the point of getting a US account. I also don't have a Spotify account since I don't like the pittance that the artists are awarded in contrast to what the labels themselves get for zero work. At least with radio, they send people out to bribe radio stations (which I'm against, but they *do* something). I can afford to, and am willing to, pay for music, movies, games and so on, and if that's what it was all about I wouldn't be writing this. I don't think that I'm a complete anomaly in the Pirate Party voter base. The current party leader is a publisher.

What voting for them is about for me is to put an end to compromising civil rights and democratic tradition in order for some industries to supposedly stay afloat. It's also about stopping communication surveillance that's almost completely useless and at any rate remarkably disproportionate and ineffective. (Search for "FRA law".) And, yes, as part of the party program is a plea to make sure that non-commercial file sharing is decriminalized because every possible (and quite a few impossible) obstructions are either contra-productive and/or violates basic laws or rights more severely that warranted. The whole green party bloc in the European Parliament has adopted Christian Engström's positions on this issue.

I suppose it's easy to just short-circuit to "I WANT FREE MP3S PLZ", but there really is more to it than that.

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (1)

loufoque (1400831) | more than 2 years ago | (#38053036)

Greens are against urbanism, therefore they won't get my vote.
How you can be against urbanism and pro-technology at the same time, I have no idea.

What we need is a party that wants to put technology and research at the center of our society, not one with reactionary ideas about being in symbiosis with nature.

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (1)

KingAlanI (1270538) | more than 2 years ago | (#38055646)

I suppose it's easy to just short-circuit to "I WANT FREE MP3S PLZ", but there really is more to it than that.

Yeah. FLAC.

I keed, I keed...

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (2)

john83 (923470) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052294)

Does it bother you at all that that is not at all what he said? I ask because it makes me sad to see a human being incapable of parsing a very simple piece of text. Many people are dispirited by the realpolitik practised by most parties with any actual power, by the lobbying power of industries and of special interest groups with views which appear grotesque or simply stupid, and by political corruption. Furthermore, many countries have voting systems which are conservative - the populace tend to vote for the incumbents, or oscillate between two power blocks which are not radically different from one another. To state that most parties appear not to represent ones beliefs is very different from saying that one has almost no beliefs. Democracy, as it is currently practised, is certainly not a pleasant sight for an idealist. I'd do something about it, but I don't think I have the stamina, money, cynicism and skills. At least I can understand a simple post though.

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38052490)

I read what he wrote and understood what he said. I'm also not stupid, so I knew what he actually meant.

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052822)

Wow, you're not only not stupid, you're psychic, too. How long have been able to read minds?

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (2)

bolthole (122186) | more than 2 years ago | (#38054326)

Does it bother you at all that that is not at all what he said? I ask because it makes me sad to see a human being incapable of parsing a very simple piece of text.

This is the actual problem. That the MAJORITY of people these days, cannot parse factual statements, let alone analyze and cross compare them.

Plato feared that the majority of people were too stupid to be allowed to have a vote. In 2,000 years, while the amount of knowledge AVAILABLE to people has increased; sadly, the basic intelligence of people has not.

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (1)

Thing 1 (178996) | more than 2 years ago | (#38054846)

Alternately, a "joke" I heard in high school which I now question the actual accuracy of: "The intelligence of the world is constant. The population is growing."

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (2)

greentshirt (1308037) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052368)

What's sad is that some are so thoroughly indoctrinated by the religion of the capitalist world system that they cannot fathom a world in which musicians don't need to be millionaires. Nobody does. People sang before copyright laws and they lived happy, culturally enriched lives. Artists aren't served by the current system, in fact, artistic merit is borderline irrelevant in the modern music industry. By and large, the vast majority of musicians are images constructed by marketing machines and not really artists at all. Besides that, the bulk of the money generated goes to everyone in the middle, including the massive media conglomerate. Wake up.

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (2)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052540)

Does it bother you at all that the "right" to download movies and music without paying for it is your most deeply held political belief?

Not a right, but a duty.

It has become an overt political act. How else to act against their hostility? I'll take suggestions.

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (2)

nomel (244635) | more than 2 years ago | (#38053460)

Not buying it would be the duty. Stealing it happens because you want something that you don't have. They can be totally separated.

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (1)

Requiem18th (742389) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052834)

Things are way past the point of pirating movies although this started that way. On the other hand they could rename themselves the privacy party with little ill effect.

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (4, Insightful)

next_ghost (1868792) | more than 2 years ago | (#38053062)

What makes me sad for being a member of human race is how many people confuse opposition against copyright monopoly with just wanting to download movies and music without paying. Pirate Parties around the world are built around the same values and ideals of sharing that have driven scientific progress for over 300 years. Isn't it peculiar that those parts of our economy most responsible for past progress and most important for future progress also have the least protection of "intellectual property"?

Re:The only people in the world and the party that (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38055490)

I don't support Piraty Party stance on copyright and patents - I consider it to be too extreme (e.g. they want to legalize "personal" sharing, which really means any non-profit redistribution - this effectively makes copyright worthless, even if it's still on the books). Even so, I would support them, for the simple reason that they are a minority (so far, at least), and cannot bend things their way altogether. What they can do is try to balance out, or at least moderate, the other extreme that we currently have at the peak of its power - the never-ending copyright term extensions, myriads of trivial patents granted on flimsiest reasons etc.

Just keep in mind that any vote for a mainstream party, other than possibly Greens (and even then it depends on the country) is a vote for the likes of RIAA. From that perspective, tactical voting for Pirate Party makes perfect sense.

First (0)

freshlimesoda (2497490) | more than 2 years ago | (#38051944)

First time First!!! :)

Re:First (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38052028)

I have no doubt there might be a first time first post for you, but this isn't it.

I can't possibly be the only one... (3, Insightful)

mark-t (151149) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052054)

... who thinks that a name like 'Pirate Party' sounds like some sort of childish joke. They might have serious intentions, but I could no more bring myself to take them seriously than I could one called the "purple polka dot clowns party".

Even at best, to try to take the name at face value, their naming suggests they are advocating something that is strongly associated with disobedience and anarchy.

They need to grow up, IMO.

(This post is probably going to get modded as a troll, but it's still my honest opinion.)

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (3, Insightful)

Elgonn (921934) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052120)

While I agree in theory that the name isn't very well thought out, I'm not sure it is really that bad. Sometimes you need to rally on "stupid" things to get motivation. Also I'm not sure Republican or Democrat is any less of a childish joke at this point. Just more historical.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (1)

Thing 1 (178996) | more than 2 years ago | (#38054868)

Case in point, which appeared to work: "It's the economy, stupid." (This was a sign in President Bill Clinton's office, which he wrote, and was meant to be directed towards himself as both motivation for the issues he should direct his attention to, and also some self-criticism.)

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38052136)

For years the UK had a party called "The Monster Raving Looney Party" which was lead by "Screaming Lord Sutch".
It was always rather special seeing the candidates on the podium waiting for the results, and there often being some fool in a silly hat up there. I think politics in the UK has since become much more pompous. Nothing wrong with a silly party or two - especially when it begins to sound like the only one making sense.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (4, Interesting)

next_ghost (1868792) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052820)

So? Czech republic has "Balbin's Poetic Party" led by "Hereditary Genius Governor". When they organize a political gathering, it's 5 guys in old-fashioned black suits and bowler hats reciting poetry.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (4, Informative)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052138)

At least they are being honest in their party name!

Personally I wish this party would get elected http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Monster_Raving_Loony_Party [wikipedia.org]

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (5, Interesting)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052978)

The Loony Party has in fact won a few elections, and also beaten major UK parties on occasion. As far as Pirate Parties go, I think an age difference might be at work here: Younger people like myself are used to listening to cogent arguments from people dressed in jeans and a T-shirt up against idiotic arguments from people in suits and ties. So we've learned the lesson that appearing respectable isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38052172)

... who thinks that a name like 'Pirate Party' sounds like some sort of childish joke. [...]

They need to grow up, IMO.

(This post is probably going to get modded as a troll, but it's still my honest opinion.)

Well, I'm not sure you're going to get modded as troll, but I'm sure you'll be for "not convincing". Let me exemplify you:

In Spain, "Popular Party" were really unpopular from time to time. "Spanish Socialist-Worker Party" is nowadays the less socialist party in Spain.

Sincerely, the only *real* party name that truly identifies the ideas behind it is "Pirate Party"... At least, they don't lie with each for they spit out.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (5, Insightful)

AndyAndyAndyAndy (967043) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052188)

Any more silly than "The Tea Party?" Or perhaps a party which refers to itself as the "Grand Old" Party? How about one that represents itself with an ass?

Politics is stupid. Might as well be forthcoming about what you stand for.

Uh... (2, Insightful)

AdamJS (2466928) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052390)

Last I heard, the Tea Party wasn't an actual political party, just a bunch of whiners. Something to put on the end of your conservative political resume, not a specific political party you were a member of.
I mean, ignoring the fact that it was nothing more than a Republican vassal puppet.

You're right about the GOP, but I can't see it as anything other than an a funny way of saying they're regressive old twats.

Re:Uh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38053156)

Man, are you gonna be butthurt when the government money runs out. What are you gonna do when the check doesn't come?

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (2)

mjr167 (2477430) | more than 2 years ago | (#38053202)

The Tea Party is a reference to the Boston Tea Party, the American Revolution, and the original colonial grievances with the British crown . I will admit, though, without the historical context it is a pretty silly name.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (1)

HeckRuler (1369601) | more than 2 years ago | (#38053666)

And without historical lessons whitewashed by bad highschool teachers, you don't have a very good view of the baggage that comes with the term "Boston Tea Party".

Short version: They were rioting hooligans that were pissed off at the government and no one thought their actions were in good form except for like-minded anti-establishment types.

It alienated whatever friendship remained among the British Lords. Benjamin Franklin said that the damage would have to be repaid. It incited other violence and destruction. We're taught at school that it was an act of nationalistic pride. While it did move us closer to revolution, it wasn't as clean and pretty as the propaganda that Samuel Adams spread around at the time.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (1)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#38053704)

The Tea Party is a reference to the Boston Tea Party

From the antics of those involved, it's more like the Mad Hatter's Tea Party.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (2)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#38053688)

Any more silly than "The Tea Party?"

Depends. Are you referring to the Mad Hatter's Tea Party, or the immensely stupider modern one?

Dems, donkeys, work, and determination (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#38053826)

How about one that represents itself with an ass?

Technically, the Democrats don't use the donkey officially But even so, of course a symbol of work and determination would represent a pro-worker party. Read what I wrote earlier about donkeys [slashdot.org] .

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (2)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052196)

complaining about the name just shows a lack of understanding of the issues of the party, completely.

Considering the "rent is too damn high" party and how the democratic and republican party logos are about the worst animal choices possible (donkey/elephant? really?), I'd say that the issue has nothing to do with the name.

Kettle, meet pot.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (2)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052952)

The elephant and donkey were originally used in political cartoons lampooning the parties.

A political cartoon by Thomas Nast, published in Harper's Weekly on November 7, 1874, is considered the first important use of the [elephant] symbol.[15] In the early 20th century, the usual symbol of the Republican Party in Midwestern states such as Indiana and Ohio was the eagle, as opposed to the Democratic rooster. This symbol still appears on Indiana, New York,[16][dead link] and West Virginia[17][dead link] ballots.

The most common mascot symbol for the [Democratic] party is the donkey, although the party never officially adopted this symbol.[113] Andrew Jackson's opponents had labeled him a jackass during the intense mudslinging in 1828. A political cartoon titled "A Modern Balaam and his Ass" depicting Jackson riding and directing a donkey (representing the Democratic Party) was published in 1837. A political cartoon by Thomas Nast in an 1870 edition of Harper's Weekly revived the donkey as a symbol for the Democratic Party. Cartoonists followed Nast and used the donkey to represent the Democrats, and the elephant to represent the Republicans.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (2)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052200)

As a member in good standing of the Monster Raving Loony Party, I am deeply offended by this post.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (4, Interesting)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052272)

You only feel that way because you have been propagandized from birth. Look nobody should want to live in a world run by pirates, in cannons on stolen ships lets kill people and steal their stuff, sense. That world of might makes right sucks, want to know what can be worse than that? A world run by tyrants.

Our Western republics are day by day being taken over by small group or ruling oligarchs with tyrannical and authoritarian ideas on dictating your life cradle to grave, and you shot at becoming one of them is growing smaller by the hour as they slam the latches on your shackles closed. I was listening to the radio this morning and in the context of another story the speaker matter of factly stated many young Italians will never have a steady job!

Wow you know what the means it means they will always be in debt and always depend on hand outs, by extension following some process to get those handouts, and having to empower the people who give them those hand outs even at the cost of their opportunity to perhaps eventually not need them. They will never know independence; Its a kinder gentler form of SLAVERY.

With tyrants if you stand up you will be crushed, well unless you lead a successful revolution. With pirates, if you take a shot odds are you will be killed but you are little more likely to prevail than against an installed tyrant. Best part is if you win against a pirate you are the new pirate king (little K).

I'd take Pirates over the current world leadership, if asked to make a choice.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (2)

illunatic (1460107) | more than 2 years ago | (#38053852)

Do you realize that they are referring to so-called "internet pirates?" Nobody is killing anyone or endorsing lawlessness... The Pirate Party platform revolves around three main issues: Copyright and patent reform, less intrusive commercial and government surveillance and increased freedom of speech.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 2 years ago | (#38054066)

Then why not call themselves the Freedom Party?

Such a name would unambiguously state their agenda, and firmly represents their platform in a positive manner, rather than sounding like a childish plea to gather attention because their platform doesn't have sufficient merit to gather interest on its own.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (1)

Thing 1 (178996) | more than 2 years ago | (#38054918)

I was listening to the radio this morning and in the context of another story the speaker matter of factly stated many young Italians will never have a steady job!

What you say about Italy is interesting. I've been thinking recently that the people who created the European Central Bank, and removed the ability for those countries to inflate their currency, are the new thieves of the economy -- and knew full well what they were doing. It's working almost as well as the Federal Reserve Banking system. The root of it is fractional reserve lending; for more info Google for Zeitgeist, they now have 3 movies and are working on a fourth.

Whig Party (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38052300)

Meh, the USA and Britian once had a major political party named "Whig Party".
The term Whig was originally short for 'whiggamor', a term meaning "cattle driver" used to describe western Scots who came to Leith for corn.

Re:Whig Party (3, Informative)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052448)

There were also, for a short time, parties known as the "Bull Moose Party" and "The Knownothings"(for this, think of William Cutting and the Association of American Natives in Gangs of New York) in US political history.

Re:Whig Party (2)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052916)

Let us not forget the Mugwumps, as well! And the Tory party themselves are celebrated with a name that was originally Irish for "robber".

It's childish... (4, Informative)

AdamJS (2466928) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052354)

But not in the way most people would be thinking.
Remember, Piracy was adopted as the major branding slogan by content publishers because they thought it would have negative connotations. Accuracy and truth were not a part of it; they were going for psychological hits rather than any actual reasoning based off of logic and justice.

In calling it a "Pirate Party" they are mocking the originators of the term. It had already lost its meaning and reversed, becoming an average term, and now used by a political party as a straight-out rallying term of endearment against anachronistic corporations and the politicians they control.

Which is in and of itself quite petty, and thus childish. Still amusing, and still a group of politicians that I'd trust further for many issues (completely unrelated to piracy or media) than most others.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (4, Insightful)

kubitus (927806) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052356)

most probably - you aren't

But please consider this : many democracies were introduced with pirating at least partly involved.

The greek were pirating the phoenicians

The Vikings all of Europe

And the British pirated on Spain

-

Maybe we can expect some democracy in Somalia soon?

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38052610)

There was democracy in Somalia, until it was overthrown:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Courts_Union

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (2)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052640)

And the British pirated on Spain

Piracy or Warfare? It was technically only piracy during peace-time. When privateers were sailing with a mandate from the king (to attack the merchant or war vessels of specific nations) it was a form of economic warfare.

Certainly it wasn't just the British either- this was a "legitimate" form of warfare across all of Europe. The French on the British and Spanish- the British on the Spanish and the French. The Spanish on the Dutch.

The stereotypical pirate during peacetime though were not operating on the goverment and had nothing to do with nationbuilding (certainly not with democracy building)- that was about individuals seeking private gain.

Continental Europe saw Britain as a nation of corse nation of pirates and brigands during the 17th and early 18th century because Britain was more successfull at this form of warfare in comparison to the economic footprint of Britain at the time.

That actually is the *exact* point! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38052620)

We don't want to become any of those sleazy slippery-as-an-eel "politically correct" politicians who lie to you with a straight face and act like they are some weird perfect uber-humans for which making jokes or just being a normal human being is taboo!

The name is "Pirate Party" *exactly* because it is silly. And because it shows that we not only don't think politicians have to go to the basement to laugh, but that we also think that it's a good thing too to be human.

Because if there is one person who always promises me heaven and acts like he's infallible and goldike, while fucking me over left and right,
and another person who *changes his damn opinion when he finds out he's wrong*, admits when he did something wrong, is imperfect, but who I can trust to know where his heart is at so that I know it's where my heart is at too,
I always and without exception take the second person.

And so do you.

Which is why I know you will vote Pirate Party too.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38052670)

So in the grand scheme of ignore, laugh,fight, win, we're now at the laughing stage?

People laughed at NORML 30 years ago as well, now we have multiple states with medical marijuana laws.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (1, Flamebait)

polar red (215081) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052724)

strongly associated with disobedience and anarchy.
They need to grow up, IMO.

Are you saying 'SHUT UP AND OBEY' your corporate overlords ? get back to watching fox, fascist !

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38052746)

... who thinks that a name like 'Pirate Party' sounds like some sort of childish joke. They might have serious intentions, but I could no more bring myself to take them seriously than I could one called the "purple polka dot clowns party".

If you consider the name of a party when you vote you are no better than those who consider the looks of a party representative when they vote.
Please stay at home on election day.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 2 years ago | (#38053750)

Well... traditionally, how a party is named usually reflects their agenda in some way.

As I have no interest in furthering the cause of piracy (I refer to media piracy, specifically), I don't see any point in voting for them.

Now, I'm aware that's not their actual agenda (probably... they don't actually deny it anywhere that I've seen) , but, like I said... I think that they need to grow up and live in the real world. People that not only show a lack of any effort to present themselves as outwardly respectable, but appear to be going out of their way to present themselves as rebellious and disrespectful of cultural norms, barring civil and human rights issues, are not terribly likely to get much respect from me... nor from, what I would imagine, a good portion of our society.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (1)

icongorilla (2452494) | more than 2 years ago | (#38053410)

... who thinks that a name like 'Pirate Party' sounds like some sort of childish joke. They might have serious intentions, but I could no more bring myself to take them seriously than I could one called the "purple polka dot clowns party".

I think it is precisely that status-quo thinking that got us where were are now. Are we better for it? I personally don't think so because it cultivates a corporate type of conformist culture. Almost like how Democrats and Republicans really are the same thing dispite what many may say.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38053520)

Elected to various parliaments by adult voters... how much more grown-up can you be? Besides, it was Shakespeare who said that a name doesn't matter, it's what's in the box. Methinks he didn't quite say it like that, but you get the drift.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (1)

Hentes (2461350) | more than 2 years ago | (#38053530)

It was the music industry that started calling copyright infringers "pirates".

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (2)

CanEHdian (1098955) | more than 2 years ago | (#38053622)

How about the "Green Party"... I guess their symbol is the incredible Hulk... and they love lettuce, spinach, beans and peas... and prefer grass in their backyards... granny smith apples... right? So how silly is calling yourself "Green"? It's all abound marketing your brand. I know where "pirate" comes from; people who infringe on copyrights being called "pirates" by the Gentlemen Rightsholders; this term has been reappropriated as a badge of honour. A pirate party is attractive to those being branded pirates by the Vested Business Interests. Pirate Parties International needs to work on their brand recognition with the national affiliates as mark-t isn't the only one making this suggestion.

her votes were not enough to beat fellow pirate Christian Engstrom

Christian is doing great work [wordpress.com] in the EP (he almost stopped the 20 year copyright term extension for sound recordings), so I'm glad he made it in. While I'm happy to see the PP getting an extra seat, I'd prefer these seats coming from people that stop voting for their same old, same old party they supported for the last 20 years and give off a clear signal about their digital rights and privacy rights.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 2 years ago | (#38054004)

Wearing "pirate" as a badge of honor gets literally less than zero respect from me (and just shy of wholehearted contempt), because I believe that copyright holder's interests should be preserved, and not disrespected. As the whole point of being a pirate is to practice the latter, I find no reason to respect their attempt at reappropriating the term as a positive thing. One might as well be, in my view, reappropriating a term like "embezzler", for example.

Lest you believe me to be some copyright corporation's paid shill, allow me to say that with absolutely no less fervor or enthusiasm, I laud the creation and utilization of copyrighted works that the authors have chosen to make freely available, and I wholeheartedly endorse the notion that a consumer should be free to do with, for their own personal use, whatever they might happen to want to do with an authorized copy of a copyrighted work. I loathe the notion that copyright is virtually eternal in the USA... the point of copyright is that it is supposed to be for a limited time, and in my own personal opinion, I believe it should be closer to about 15 years, rather than the something like 90 odd years that I think it's at right now. I consider laws like the DMCA to be an abomination because they decimate consumer freedoms without offering them anything in exchange. When people choose to make copies for other people, however, for any reason that is not explicitly exempted by fair use guidelines (which copyright holders implicitly agree to when they utilize copyright in the first place, since that is part of copyright law), they tread on the copyright holder's lawfully granted rights, and I firmly draw the line there... and I'm just not likely to sympathize with them.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (1)

FlyingGuy (989135) | more than 2 years ago | (#38054340)

Mark,

You are wasting your breath here. I think you are correct, but you are speaking to a bunch of people who see the ability to get something, hell anything. by anyone and put it on a torent for all to have as some sort of inalienable right.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (1)

Thing 1 (178996) | more than 2 years ago | (#38054978)

Uh, no. The demanded right is the ability to download it after the copyright period specified in the Constitution has expired. Where is the Amendment extending this time period?

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (1)

silanea (1241518) | more than 2 years ago | (#38054656)

There seems to be a misunderstanding on your part: The Pirate Party does not want to cut artists off their fair compensation, quite to the contrary. It is the media industry that cheats artists out of their due pay through business practices that would put the Mafia to shame. The PP wants to balance the interests of the creators of media against those of society in a manner that ensures the livelihood of the former while protecting the freedom of the latter.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (1)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#38054692)

Consider, if you treated copyrighted works EXACTLY as you say they should be treated (as opposed to the way the law now claims they should be), the RIAA and co would not hesitate for a second to call you a pirate. The Pirate Party recognizes that (note that they are not advocating abolition of copyright either) and says "fine, so we're pirates!".

You're entitled to not like the name, but you shouldn't read so much into it. You don't necessarily believe that "Honest Al's Used Cars" is honest, do you?

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 2 years ago | (#38054926)

That, I believe, may be the sanest answer I've heard to address this matter out of any response to my previous remarks (I'm still shocked as hell that it didn't get modded as troll or flamebait, by the way.. it may be my honest opinion, but I was sure it would be thought of as deliberately trying to push people's buttons).

Notwithstanding, I believe that the system can be changed by working within it. Sure, there are exceptions to this (most profoundly in matters involving human or civil rights), but for something like copyright, it should be entirely possible to effect positive change by using the existing system to reform itself, rather than resorting to disregarding the portions of it we don't agree with, no matter how stupid we might believe them to be.

From what I've heard about the pirate party, they are, in fact, advocating some principles I believe in myself... however, they could have accomplished the exact same ends by calling themselves the "Freedom Party", which could put a far more positive spin on what they appear to be trying to accomplish. In the end, however, a name like "pirate party" still seems to reflect a measure of immaturity, and with that, connotes an inability or unpreparedness to fully accept the responsibilities for all of their decisions and their actions.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38055070)

That sounds quite a bit like the various Pirate Party manifestos I've read - maybe you should look more closely at some of them.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 2 years ago | (#38055234)

I believe it should be closer to about 15 years, rather than the something like 90 odd years that I think it's at right now. I consider laws like the DMCA to be an abomination

Looks to me like you agree pretty much exactly with the pirate party, but you let a name stop you from voting for what you believe in.

More fool you.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (1)

CanEHdian (1098955) | more than 2 years ago | (#38056030)

Wearing "pirate" as a badge of honor gets literally less than zero respect from me (and just shy of wholehearted contempt), because I believe that copyright holder's interests should be preserved, and not disrespected. As the whole point of being a pirate is to practice the latter, I find no reason to respect their attempt at reappropriating the term as a positive thing. One might as well be, in my view, reappropriating a term like "embezzler", for example.

I would agree wholeheartedly with you but only after the copyright reforms, people who THEN infringe on copyrights, should be called something else and should NOT have any sympathy as they are endangering the creation of new works. As it is now, you are likely infringing on some copyright if you rip a 78 rpm shellac grammophone record and distribute it to your jazz-loving friends.

This is what WIPO's boss, Mr. Gurry, had to say earlier this year:

The Pirate Party may be an extreme expression, but the sentiment of distaste or disrespect for intellectual property on the Internet that it voices is widespread. Look at the incidence of illegal down-loading of music. We may argue about the right methodology to use to measure that phenomenon, but we are all certain that the practice has reached alarming dimensions.

In order to effect a change in attitude, I believe that we need to re-formulate the question that most people see or hear about copyright and the Internet. People do not respond to being called pirates. Indeed, some, as we have seen, even make a pride of it. They would respond, I believe, to a challenge to sharing responsibility for cultural policy. We need to speak less in terms of piracy and more in terms of the threat to the financial viability of culture in the 21st Century, because it is this which is at risk if we do not have an effective, properly balanced copyright policy.

People indeed don't care about respecting copyrights; every album in the Rolling Stone Top-500 albums is still under copyright, and this includes albums from the 1950s, not one that has entered into the Public Domain. Copyright expiration and "Public Domain" are a scam, a ruse, a carrot dangling from a stick, when it comes to sound recordings.

The Pirate Party also supports copyright, they know very well that without a short period of having a monopoly on a work, you don't have a business case for its creation. In reality this means that it's about: 1. which works can be protected; 2. length of copyright term; 3. which exceptions (fair use/dealings); 4. drm and circumvention. Since I hardly see any Pirate Party "as is" gain a majority in any country, these things will have to be negotiated. It's only understandable if the Pirate Party wants to start out at the bare minimum.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38053644)

The organization which stands behind the Pirate Party is the Piratbyrån which in English is The Bureau of Piracy. Is it some kind of funny name hint to the Russian Politburo (Political Bureau)?
The name does not matter as long as the ideas are known to the society and medias are giving enough attentions to these parties. However medias in a lot of European countries are informing only for the major political parties and somehow neglect those small parties with big ideas. The journalism is not independent at all!

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38054204)

Yeah, but political parties like the Sex Party [wikipedia.org] are so much more legit.
They may well have chosen Pirate Party due to labeling applied to their constituents and they're simply taking it back [youtube.com] .

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38054206)

what's wrong with disobedience and anarchy when the people making the rules are a dangerous combination of retarded and corrupt?

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (1)

Dripdry (1062282) | more than 2 years ago | (#38054284)

I couldn't agree less. "Pirate" stands for disruption of a stale system. It's easy to relate to, and it gets across their motives easily. Politically, it's a good name.

I think the name is genius, but clearly others disagree.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (1)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#38054440)

It's no sillier than the American rebels adopting Yankee Doodle as a patriot's song, now is it?

And, as a matter of fact, they are advocating several things that the old guard consider disobedient and anarchic. So in that sense, it is a great descriptive name with a dash of nose tweaking.

It's not like they call themselves the boing boing farty pants party, now is it?

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (1)

silanea (1241518) | more than 2 years ago | (#38054536)

Even at best, to try to take the name at face value, their naming suggests they are advocating something that is strongly associated with disobedience and anarchy.

In case you forgot, the Pirates did not invent the term, they were called so by industry propagandists. They took on a label given to them by their adversaries. And they did not take it on to express their taste for "disobedience and anarchy". Calling the party "Pirate Party" actually was both the obvious and also the cleverest thing to do. This way

  1. they use a term that has already been established in public debate and that is at least roughly understood by the majority of the population and
  2. they get to reshape and redefine it, which diminishes its usefulness to their opponents.

Re:I can't possibly be the only one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38055338)

How about the Standing at the Back Dressed Stupidly and Looking Stupid Party?

They stole that chair! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38052140)

You all saw it!

Does the Swedish pirate party have a logo? (4, Interesting)

White Flame (1074973) | more than 2 years ago | (#38052342)

Because using Slashdot's "piracy" logo seems a bit counter-productive. Wikipedia shows a logo for the international organization [wikipedia.org] .

I'm a member of the Pirate Party - and proud of it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38052608)

Offended? Not at all, we love open debate! :-). And feel free to copy this text! :-)

It is rather amazing! Two members of the European Parliament; and a significant representation in Berlin, DE! Who would have thought that only a few years back?

Uhh ... Ummm ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38054502)

"I havenâ(TM)t received any official communication. I do not know when Iâ(TM)m supposed to begin."

Well, the Secretary-General of the European Parliament is probably a good person to call.

"Hey ... uhh ... I was elected to the Parliament a while ago and I ... uhhh ... don't know what to do now. I am sitting in my living room right now and ... ummm ... drinking a beer and I ... umm ... heard on the Internets you guys are gonna let me come there ..."

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