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Feds Helped Coordinate Occupy X Crackdowns

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the occupy-a-job-long-hair dept.

Government 803

Lawrence_Bird writes "The Feds helped break up the Occupy protests by providing advice and assistance from the FBI and DHS. From the article: 'Oakland Mayor Jean Quan said on Monday that her city and others across the country coordinated their crackdowns of Occupy Wall Street camps. Rick Ellis, a Minneapolis-based journalist for Examiner.com, reports that these cities also had the help of the Department of Homeland Security and the Federal Bureau of Investigation." In related conspiracy news, apcullen wrote in with a story by Time Magazine guest columnist Naomi Wolf who claims: "Instead of imminent safety issues, the timing of the crackdown was far more likely to do with the fact that the Occupy movement was planning something media-savvy at last: a 'carnival' on Wall Street on Thursday in which protesters would telegenically tell their individual stories of hardship, job loss and disenfranchisement. It is that event that posed a 'safety risk' — to the efforts of Wall Street and the Bloomberg administration to manage the narrative."

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803 comments

Go with the simple over complex theory (1, Interesting)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077282)

They Occupy protests were broken up for simple obvious reasons

1. They were planning disrupting Wall Street. In other words, they were threatening the economy and even Bloomy can't allow that.

2. The Occupy protests were jumping the shark and losing popular support as crime ramped up and local business suffered. So the mayors got together and did something about it all at once so no one would have to go first and get singled out for counter attack.

3. The Occupy folks themselves kinda wanted to get shut down for the winter and aren't likely to put up more than token resistence. Expect a resurgence in the spring.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077348)

3. The Occupy folks themselves kinda wanted to get shut down for the winter and aren't likely to put up more than token resistence. Expect a resurgence in the spring.

I think you give way too much credit to a stoner's ability to focus for a prolonged period of time.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (0, Offtopic)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077538)

Troll on, fascist!

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077636)

You sir are an f'ing idiot.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077352)

Expecting these filthy scumbags to roll out of their cardboard boxes in the spring is like expecting peace in the middle east.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (5, Funny)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077590)

Now that's no way to talk about Goldman Sachs and Bank of America.....

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (1)

sneakyimp (1161443) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077354)

Jumping the shark is right. Saw a headline about the "chocolate rain" dude singing for them. GAWD.

How is that possible? (5, Insightful)

khasim (1285) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077392)

1. They were planning disrupting Wall Street. In other words, they were threatening the economy and even Bloomy can't allow that.

Huh? How is it even possible for a small group like that to be "threatening the economy"? No, don't answer that. Real terrorists might read your answer and use it against America.

2. The Occupy protests were jumping the shark and losing popular support as crime ramped up and local business suffered.

How could crime have "ramped up" when there were so many cops standing around watching them?

Re:How is that possible? (5, Insightful)

Pope (17780) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077450)

Ask the folks in Oakland [chron.com] . Starting a bonfire in the middle of a street is not exactly brilliant, and neither was the vandalism.

Re:How is that possible? (0)

del_diablo (1747634) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077490)

Well, its the police own fault for having assaulted the protesters earlier.

Re:How is that possible? (0)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077518)

So, in your world, two wrongs make a right? If not, then don't make excuses.

Re:How is that possible? (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077756)

So, in your world, two wrongs make a right?

No, but the original argument was "the police broke them up because they started doing criminal things", not "they started doing criminal things after the police broke them up". Or is in your world the police omniscient and did they know the protesters were going to do those things anyway and therefore preemptively broke up the protests?

(captcha: control)

Re:How is that possible? (5, Informative)

Local ID10T (790134) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077564)

Yeah, but this happens in Oakland even without the occupy protests.... its a shithole (I've lived there.)

Re:How is that possible? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077594)

In Oakland we usually called that Sunday Evening after the Raiders Win and or Lose.

"threatening the economy" (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077496)

Note that this also implies that all that is left of "the economy" is Wall Street. How telling. How very appropriate.

The question practically answers itself. (5, Interesting)

overshoot (39700) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077558)

How could crime have "ramped up" when there were so many cops standing around watching them?

Watch the videos from Oakland. The protesters viciously assaulted the police nightsticks, shields, tear-gas cannisters, etc. with military-grade abdominal muscles, heads, and faces.

I'd tell you to watch the New York videos, but the media blackout was quite effective.

Interesting, isn't it? (5, Insightful)

khasim (1285) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077686)

During a war, our military can "embed" reporters with front-line combat units.

But with what appears to be a peaceful protest (in NYC), the police have to remove the media from the area.

Re:How is that possible? (4, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077600)

Easy, if that small group is a small group of bankers, they can very easily threaten the economy of a whole country. Heck, they can even threaten the economy of the whole world.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (3, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077420)

They have disrupted wall street

They are gaining support, and crime ins't 'tamping up'. That's hyperbole generated by the media and repeated by people who take what the media says at face value.
When adjusts for the increase in population, crime is the same or lower.

No, they didn't.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (2)

halivar (535827) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077482)

They have disrupted wall street

Please explain how.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077680)

As someone who works on Wall St (in financial services, but not for a bank/hedgefund/trading desk of any kind), I can tell you definitively that they have not disrupted "Wall St" in any way, other than vaguely disrupting foot traffic on the street that is named Wall. The fundamental thing people seem to not understand is that Wall St is really just a tourist attraction these days. Only a handful of guys still work on the stock exchange floor and almost no trading is done there. And the banks all moved their offices to midtown, Jersey City or Connecticut years ago. If they go through with their Wall St Carnival or whatever the hell they plan, it will accomplish nothing but getting a bunch of people arrested, as they've been told repeatedly that will happen if they do anything on Wall St itself without a proper permit.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077768)

They are not gaining support. In fact, the opposite is true as is shown by the poll at http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-favor-fading.html

Their problem is that their methods have been losing people like myself who are otherwise ideologically aligned with the message. We don't want to be associated with their shenanigans.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (3, Informative)

bobcat7677 (561727) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077804)

Here in the "Occupy Portland" camp, crime and related issues were ramping up significantly. Drug overdoses in the camp went from none, to one per week, to multiple per week. Reports of sexual assaults in the tents and makeshift structures were coming out almost daily. Vandalism to the parks and surrounding businesses went out of control (I haven't gone down there myself, but friends of mine that work for the city tell me the parks will require major repairs and some businesses were closed). There was a heavy police presence, but they couldn't be everywhere and where they weren't stuff happened. The last straw was the elements in the camp seeking confrontation stock piling shields and weapons including molatov cocktails, rocks, sticks and homemade frag grenades made with glass and fireworks. I heard people starting to talk about forming an angry mob with their own sticks and rocks to go down and confront the camps if the police didn't do anything. The police chief expressed much frustration with it being allowed to continue. The mayor was/is sympathetic to the protesters but simply had to go with the national effort to crack down because a mutiny in his own police department and community was brewing.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (5, Insightful)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077468)

This.

I've never seen so much negative press directed at a group of Americans exercising their first amendment rights. OWS clearly scares a lot of people. Even the Westboro Baptist Church doesn't generate this kind of negative publicity.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (5, Insightful)

Feyshtey (1523799) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077616)

Apparently you didnt follow any of the coverage of the Tea Party.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077770)

But the Tea Party is totally different! They're CONSERVATIVE!!!!!!!11!1!!!!!1one!!!!!!!!!2!!!

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077626)

Westboro Baptist Church doesn't set up camp. I don't remember the part of the First Amendment that including living in pubic or private spaces at the inconvenience of others.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (5, Insightful)

swanzilla (1458281) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077688)

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to live in public or private spaces at the inconvenience of others, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Oh...there it is.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (-1, Troll)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077634)

OWS protesters don't scare people. What scares people is what OWS protesters are doing to cities. The right to PEACEABLY protest ends right at the time it starts cause harm to the regular citizens and people. You know crapping on the street, raping people, disease and sanitation issues. Not to mention the vandalism and destruction at the hands of the OWS crowd.

And much of what the OWS protesters are protesting, the Tea Party is also protesting against. In fact, if it wasn't for all the other secondary left wing loon ideas out there, you might have had a significant ally to the protests. However they aren't just protesting Wall Street, they are protesting capitalism.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (4, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077742)

OWS protesters don't scare people. What scares people is what OWS protesters are doing to cities.

What Occupy protesters have done to our cities is insignificant compared to what those on Wall Street have done to our country.

However they aren't just protesting Wall Street, they are protesting capitalism.

Because they understand that in capitalism money makes money faster than honest labor. Capitalism will always end up pooling resources in the hands of the few. This will always give them undue influence in the political process. You can't have a government for the people when you have an economy for the few.

We tried democratic capitalism, it didn't work. We tried totalitarian socialism, it didn't work. We tried totalitarian capitalism, it didn't work. Isn't it about time we tried democratic socialism?

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (2)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077764)

There's an enormous difference from "some protest groups are retarded" and "the entire movement needs to be shut down".

There is also an enormous difference between truly resisting arrest and being cited for disorderly conduct/resisting arrest by a police guy who is just itching for a reason to jail you.

Granted, it's hard to keep up a protest, but I applaud them for doing what is constitutionally protected.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077678)

Even the Westboro Baptist Church doesn't generate this kind of negative publicity.


 
Are you going to next claim that there are Americans who align OWS with the Nazis too? That's where this kind of hyperbole normally ends up.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (1)

nickmalthus (972450) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077692)

Yes, the malcontents organized and publicly expressed their grievances to the government. They are expected to silently suffer individually, out of sight and out of mind; down the memory hole where not my problem is not my problem until it becomes my problem.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077800)

"I've never seen so much negative press directed at a group of Americans exercising their first amendment rights."
you have never read any of the press directed toward pro-life protesters then.
I know someone who worked in a news room, she was given video of a pro-life protest and literally given the instructions 'edit this to make these people look like lunatics'.

The media is mostly friendly to liberal causes like this one, they have gotten a whole lot more positive press then they deserve.
the 'nation wide' protest are truly over blown with man 'protests' totally a whole of 25 people or so.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077510)

They Occupy protests were broken up for simple obvious reasons

1. They were planning disrupting Wall Street. In other words, they were threatening the economy and even Bloomy can't allow that.

2. The Occupy protests were jumping the shark and losing popular support as crime ramped up and local business suffered. So the mayors got together and did something about it all at once so no one would have to go first and get singled out for counter attack.

3. The Occupy folks themselves kinda wanted to get shut down for the winter and aren't likely to put up more than token resistence. Expect a resurgence in the spring.

The thing that annoys me about OWS (aside from their incredulous disbelief that their right to speak does not extend to impeding other people's ability to live their lives) is that they're not even protesting a tangible THING. They're setting up strawmen, knocking them down, and declaring moral victory. They're not arguing against anybody real, but percieved injustices against the abstract. And the bit about that that REALLY pisses me off is that any good points they make are therefor dismissed by 'the other side' as a result, battle lines are drawn, and after that point, and people rarely 'change teams'.

Fucking douchebags, all...

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (2)

jasno (124830) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077522)

It seems to me they'd have been more effective staging rallies every Saturday where normal people might show up. The whole Phish-concert-meets-homeless-shelter thing they had going only scares people away. But these are the same people who think giant puppets and drum circles are going to bring down the most powerful people in the world, so logic... isn't their strong suit.

There still exists a whole lot of anger at politicians(occupy K street, anyone?) and bankers, and hopefully someone will figure out how to tap into it and create real, lasting change.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (2)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077668)

You hope, I fear. I remember 1789 and 1917, I ain't been there, but I've read my history books.

I'd rather hope for a peaceful settlement and a renegotiation of terms.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (1)

swb (14022) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077696)

The problem with the hippie campouts in urban areas is that they ultimately end up attracting a low level street criminal class who are there to nick electronics, wallets an purses, deal/use drugs, and maybe commit a little sexual assault.

If the hippies would turn away these people and keep the political protest going, they might attract more people.

But, like most socialist endeavors, adherence to party dogma and ideological purity is first, and practical concerns a distant second.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (1)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077664)

Well, the bulk of "Wall Street" firms aren't even down by Wall Street anymore, so this planned disruption wouldn't have disrupted anyone. 90% of the trading is carried out on computers from offices, just like how the FTSE works.

Re:Go with the simple over complex theory (0)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077690)

2 is a a propaganda lie.

Occupy... (0, Troll)

gameboyhippo (827141) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077300)

I think they need to occupy the business side of a job. I'm sorry that recruiters have tricked you into think you're management right out of college. You have to earn your way up. Start at the bottom. It's okay.

Re:Occupy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077328)

I think they need to occupy the business side of a job. I'm sorry that recruiters have tricked you into think you're management right out of college. You have to earn your way up. Start at the bottom. It's okay.

You don't understand a thing about this protest do you?

Re:Occupy... (5, Insightful)

MarkGriz (520778) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077370)

You don't understand a thing about this protest do you?

I think you can blame the protesters for that

Re:Occupy... (0)

sneakyimp (1161443) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077424)

We can also blame the so-called liberal media for failing to communicate their message and we can blame apathetic slackers like you for failing to look deeper.

Re:Occupy... (1, Flamebait)

HornWumpus (783565) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077506)

LOL you are kidding? I hope you are kidding.

The fact they got new publicists doesn't change their message. 'Capitalism is messed up, or something. We need world socialism and free stuff, or something. Fight the power! The rich are getting richer faster then the poor are getting richer! We're going to change the world with this hippy jam fest.'

Same tired old shit. I blame you for failing to look deeper.

Re:Occupy... (2)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077728)

I am, and I guess a lot of bankers are, too, happy that they decided to turn for the soap kind of liberty box first. They are at the point where they cannot grin and bear it anymore, so they start using the liberty boxes.

I hope they don't have to reach the fourth. I have a gut feeling that they would eventually use it if no other way to reach an agreement can be found.

Re:Occupy... (4, Insightful)

gorzek (647352) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077796)

The utter refusal of the Occupy protesters to become politically engaged--as in, organizing, canvassing, petitioning, fundraising, and eventually voting--is what dooms them far beyond anything else.

The Tea Party would've been a footnote if not for the fact that they became highly politically organized and actually went after elections. I'm not going to hold my breath that Occupy protesters will try something novel like, say, primarying Congressmen next spring.

But they don't want to change the system from within, they want to destroy it and rebuild from scratch. Whether one agrees with that as a goal or not, it's simply not something that is going to happen by staging street rallies and sit-ins and camping in parks.

Re:Occupy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077684)

let me guess, you were the kind of student that drops out of college and blames the teachers?

Re:Occupy... (4, Informative)

sneakyimp (1161443) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077332)

You don't get it. OWS is protesting fraudsters like Christy Mack and Susan Karches [rollingstone.com] and the increasing disparity between wage growth between the upper and lower clases.

Re:Occupy... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077384)

How much did Michelle Obama's last vacation cost? Why aren't the OWS people out in front of the White House?

Re:Occupy... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077472)

Why aren't the OWS people out in front of the White House?

Too many people with guns there.

Re:Occupy... (2, Insightful)

pixelpusher220 (529617) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077566)

How much did Michelle Obama's last vacation cost?

Less than GWB, the most frequent vacationer president of all time?

Re:Occupy... (4, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077760)

You say that as if it's a bad thing. Ponder it for a moment and realize how much more he could have messed up this country if he wasn't a slacker.

Re:Occupy... (2, Informative)

smpoole7 (1467717) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077570)

Or why doesn't the OWS crowd complain about the heads of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac receiving millions in bonuses ... at the same time that they're asking the feds for another bailout? :)

I guess that doesn't count.

Re:Occupy... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077620)

According to South Park, it's because they can't blame a guy they voted for, especially a black guy. So they found a new target.

Re:Occupy... (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077738)

There are people protesting in Washington. OWS is not limited to wall street.

Re:Occupy... (1)

khallow (566160) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077584)

You don't get it. OWS is protesting fraudsters like Christy Mack and Susan Karches

What fraud? When you have a legal, all you can eat buffet served out of Washington, then why expect people not to eat as much as they can? Maybe these people ought to be protesting out by Washington, DC where the problems come from?

and the increasing disparity between wage growth between the upper and lower clases.

Sounds like, if you pulled your heads out of your collective asses, you'd have some common cause with the Tea Party movement. After all, they oppose wealth transfers to the wealthy via government. They also oppose the government enforced cesspool of regulation, entitlement, and privilege that has led to the current situation.

Re:Occupy... (0)

halivar (535827) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077642)

The average OWS'er lives in a much nicer house than me [yahoo.com] , but you don't see me shitting on their front lawn about it.

All they have are first world problems. They wouldn't know poverty if it came up to them asking for change. Mostly because they chased all the homeless people out of Zuccoti.

New boss, same as the old boss (5, Insightful)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077310)

We see what our new POTUS, with his new administration, does as head of state. Not that this comes as any surprise considering every thing he's done so far. Naturally, our federal government will continue to make decisions that favor their corporate sponsors, everyone else be damned.

Re:New boss, same as the old boss (5, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077364)

Don't worry, I'm sure he'll be giving us a fresh new round of bullshit promises in the Fall when he needs us to vote for him again.

Re:New boss, same as the old boss (3, Insightful)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077478)

Politifact shows Obama having kept more of his campaign promisses then any president in a long time. Granted there are some big ones he has failed on such as Guantanamo, but overall he has been very true to his word.

Re:New boss, same as the old boss (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077578)

wasted his entire presidency on health care and censoring the Internet. No president has done more to let our rights of free speech be trampled upon

Re:New boss, same as the old boss (3, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077774)

The sad thing is that the health care program he created is probably actually worse than nothing at all. It's just a big handout to insurance companies. It pisses people off with insurance mandates. And it doesn't even guarantee coverage. All it has *really* guaranteed is that now we'll never have a true single-payer government-backed system in the U.S. Thanks to that hand-out to the insurance industry, we just lost our best, and likely last, chance at the superior (and cheaper) kind of system they have in Canada and the UK.

Just fucking sad.

Re:New boss, same as the old boss (2)

PortHaven (242123) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077766)

Really...

And those were?

--

And half those orgs are biased. I used to have some respect for FactCheck.org, but they've done out and out hit pieces on things for which solid evidence existed.

Re:New boss, same as the old boss (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077780)

Too bad its the big ones he failed on that led some of us to vote for him.

Re:New boss, same as the old boss (3, Informative)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077640)

As the original submitter I'd just like to add the one line that was truncated from my submission:

Nixon must be smiling!

For me, the issue isn't if the local coppers break up the protest (for instance, in NYC it is on private property not owned by the protesters) but that the DHS and FBI are helping coordinate the effort. I take a dim view of the Feds being involved in this in any manner unless it is happening in Washington DC.

At least they didn't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077312)

Carpet bomb the losers

Re:At least they didn't (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077612)

they're living in tents, you insensitive clod. they don't *have* carpets.

dumb ass.

Re:At least they didn't (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077788)

Even surgical strike bombs could have hit some bankers as well.

Funny how collateral damage suddenly becomes an issue...

This begs an interesting question... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077336)

In a time where an individual can take their knowledge, experience, etc. to any country in the world. For those that are interested in moving to a country where the government won't use it's intelligence gathering capabilities against citizens who are exercising their constitutional rights, where do you go? And, how do you get there?

Re:This begs an interesting question... (5, Insightful)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077372)

No, you can not go to any country in the world. See other countries are protective of their workers. Go ahead, try to go to India and work. Others have tried and found that it simply can not be done.

Re:This begs an interesting question... (1)

mmcuh (1088773) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077644)

Virtually every country in the world will gladly accept someone with experience and qualifications, provided they actually get a job in the country before going over there.

Re:This begs an interesting question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077386)

Nowhereistan is nice this time of year.

Re:This begs an interesting question... (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077398)

Don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.

Saudi Arabia? (0)

Quila (201335) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077426)

Your rights there are defined by Sharia, and the government won't mess with you as long as you exercise those rights.

Suprised they went on as long as they did (5, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077342)

Did you really think you could threaten the powers-that-be and not have them turn the full force of the government they control on you at some point? Did you really think that just because they supported protests in the Middle East that they would tolerate them HERE against THEMSELVES? Come on.

Re:Suprised they went on as long as they did (1)

sneakyimp (1161443) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077438)

Well put. It seems so obvious, but that doesn't make it any less worrisome.

Re:Suprised they went on as long as they did (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077504)

Of course they would. OWS is a bunch of useful idiots for leftist governments. They're clamoring for more powerful government to hammer down on the corporations and individuals that have the most influence on government. If that's you, you're going to let them clamor because at the end of the day it increases your power.

Now look at the Tea Party who are clamoring for less powerful government. Those guys had to get permits.

Re:Suprised they went on as long as they did (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077698)

Except they weren't tolerated, so your theory goes up in flames (as expected when you get the relationship between corporate power and regulation backwards).

Re:Suprised they went on as long as they did (3, Insightful)

MarkGriz (520778) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077614)

I'm fairly certain the constitution says "... or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

It doesn't say anything about turning a public park (privately owned I know) into an encampment for the convenience of the protesters.
Why can't they protest, then go home and come back the following day. Convenient, no, but that's the price of admission.

Don't misunderstand, I fully support those advocating the fight against corp and govt corruption, cronyism etc.
I just don't agree they should be able to take over a public park and deny the rights of the other citizens access to it.

I also find it highly ironic that some of the protesters relying on the 1st amendment to enable their protest, also take offense
to the very same freedom of the press that amendment enables.

ffs (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077350)

New Slashdot: News For Liberals. Stuff That's Stupid.

If I wanted to read Daily Kos or MoveOn, I'd be over there.

FAIL (2)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077582)

Oh, I didn't realize only "liberals" were in favor of free speech. Thanks for enlightening us.

Re:FAIL (-1, Troll)

HornWumpus (783565) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077748)

Only liberals confuse speech with squatting.

It's understandable, they are confused about most things.

Rally! Take Direct Action! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077358)

Grow the fuck up and go live your life.

Re:Rally! Take Direct Action! (1)

PowerCyclist (2058868) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077580)

If you're going to troll, at least be creative and original.

Mayor Quan Denies This (4, Interesting)

ryants (310088) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077394)

Denial reported here. [reason.com] :

Update: A spokesperson for Oakland Mayor Jean Quan has emailed to deny that Quan "coordinated" Oakland's response to Occupy protesters with other mayors. "Mayor Quan never said that cities with occupy encampments were coordinating their removal efforts," Susan Piper wrote in an email. "The mayor has talked with other mayors to share experiences." In a subsequent email, I asked Piper if Quan received advice from either the DHS or the FBI on how to respond to protesters, as reported was by Rick Ellis of Examiner.com. Piper's response: "Not true."

Re:Mayor Quan Denies This (1)

swinferno (1212408) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077460)

so nothing to see here, I guess..

Re:Mayor Quan Denies This (5, Insightful)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077474)

Sure they just all did it at the same time (including Toronto). It was just a big coincidence, like telco SMS rate increases & bandwidth capping...

They were hurting the Democrats' image (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077454)

Forget all the complicated theories. The crackdowns started when the Democrats decided that the Occupy "movement" was hurting their image more than that of the Dreaded Tea Party.

Re:They were hurting the Democrats' image (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077526)

I lean left, and, FWIW, OWS isn't hurting the Dems' image -- it's the DINOs in Congress and a business-friendly head of the executive branch who's eager to negotiate in the name of bipartisanship.

Re:They were hurting the Democrats' image (0)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077562)

BINGO!!! We have a winner. The crackdown on the Occupy movement happened because the Democrats had discovered that not only did the movement help their chances in next year's elections, they were hurting those chances.

This was a good thing (2, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077476)

having an organized approach and being advised by experts was a lot better then every group of police doing it themselves.

Interesting, but... (5, Insightful)

PowerCyclist (2058868) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077500)

This is nothing new to protests. They get cleared out all the time (even in the USA) and then regroup. Is the timing suspicious, a little, but you could have picked any day for the clearing and then said it was to harm a future event. I was never in the protests (none were near my location) but I hope they shrug this off and regroup. I also REALLY hope they get some fricken direction and organization. Simply being there isn't enough, they have to organize efforts on specific targets more than the few leaders have so far. Oh, and for the love of God take some control over the 'live feeds' and at least try to find someone with any amount of charisma and social skills to narrate them. The live streams I've watched so far were a painful raping of my eyes and ears.

hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38077514)

I thought only crazy right-wingers were conspiracy theorists. What the hell OWS?

Communism failed: class warfare alive and well! (2)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077602)

The OWS movement in some form was inevitable. A movement to galvanize a response to economic inequality would have developed in some other way if OWS hadn't come along. Now they have a nice long winter to plan around kitchen tables across the USA.

MF Global (3, Insightful)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077604)

stolen 900 million dollars of customer money, and if you disagree with Occupy Wallstreet then all i can say is: "get yourself a jar of vaseline go to your bank and give them all your money and bend over"

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. (1)

splatter (39844) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077630)

Thought it was telling that this quote from HsT was on the bottom of the Slashdot page. I can't help but to think he would have been proud.

Re: When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro (1)

Grog6 (85859) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077772)

Agreed.

Telegenically? (1)

tomboalogo (2509404) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077722)

"a 'carnival' on Wall Street on Thursday in which protesters would telegenically tell their individual stories of hardship, job loss and disenfranchisement." def. Having a physical appearance and exhibiting personal qualities that are deemed highly appealing to television viewers So only the PRETTY protesters get to tell their story?? Who is writing for the media these days? Somebody tell them that the 1000 monkeys with 1000 typewriters wasn't a real solution!!

civil disobedience (3, Insightful)

bcrowell (177657) | more than 2 years ago | (#38077736)

Wasn't this pretty predictable? I can't see how anyone participating in these protests could have imagined that they would be allowed to stay indefinitely without getting rousted by the cops. It's a form of civil disobedience. What is the point of arguing about whether DHS and FBI are involved, about details of the law, about various mayors' secret motivations, etc.? If you do civil disobedience, you expect to get hauled off to jail.

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