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Energy Firm Wants To Be First To Mine the Moon

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the exploration-by-chasing-green dept.

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coondoggie writes "By 2020, the Shackleton Energy Company says it intends to be operating the world's first lunar base and propellant depot for all manner of spacecraft. Shackleton stated that after a phase of robotic prospecting, its crews will establish the infrastructure in space and basecamps in the lunar polar crater regions to supervise industrial machinery for mining, processing and transporting lunar products to market in Low Earth Orbit and beyond. The company said it will use a mix of industrial astronauts and advanced robotic systems to provide a strategically-assured, continuous supply of propellants for spacecraft."

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Assimo (2)

guybrush3pwood (1579937) | about 2 years ago | (#38088290)

Perhaps Assimo will finally be put to work.

Re:Assimo (5, Funny)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#38088320)

Honda's demonstration robot is Asimo. Assimo, I'm guessing, will be one of the first mass-produced fembot sex toys.

Re:Assimo (1)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | about 2 years ago | (#38088462)

With a name like "Assimo" I'm guessing its more of a "himbot".

Re:Assimo (3, Funny)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#38088514)

No that would be "Phallustron" :-P

(I know it sounds weird if you're used to Spanish names, but in Japan it's not unusual for women to have first names ending with "o")

Re:Assimo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38088502)

Or male-bot sex toy, depending on which model you fancy.

Re:Assimo (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38088696)

Assimo will be mining Uranus.

Try again in 5 months (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38088296)

Too early for April Fool's, nitwits.

First Po.. Step (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38088298)

ON THE MOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!
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riding the gravy train (2)

roman_mir (125474) | about 2 years ago | (#38088334)

SEC team members have deeply embedded relationships at many levels within the international space community, industry, academia and NASA.

right. Deep connections to all those people, who can help with extracting a few bucks from the Fed. Why not? Everybody else is doing it.

Re:riding the gravy train (5, Informative)

Teancum (67324) | about 2 years ago | (#38089326)

It isn't just the deep connections that these guys have with NASA and elements of the space industry. It is the fact that they have already done several projects for NASA and other federal agencies, as well as some private foundation grants and even some work with for-profit companies. This TED talk [ted.com] shows some of the more impressive things that Bill Stone (one of the major investors in Shackleton Energy) has done and at least one other crazy off-the-wall idea that has a real shot at being built some time in the future.

This is a very legitimate group and of anybody who says they might be able to get to the Moon and make a profit off of what they are doing on the Moon, these guys would be it. The market for propellant from a location near the Moon would certainly be a valuable market, considering that a 1 liter bottle of water currently costs about $20,000 just to get it there with current rockets.

In this case, while I'm sure that they wouldn't mind having NASA/USAF/NRO/ESA/Roscosmos/JAXA as customers, there might be some other potential customers for their product as well. It isn't purely for government contracts. It does take a different attitude about how you go about launching stuff into space, however.

Moon movie? (5, Interesting)

CodingHero (1545185) | about 2 years ago | (#38088358)

My prediction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_(film) [wikipedia.org]

Re:Moon movie? (3, Interesting)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#38088426)

Especially reading this part:

The company said it will use a mix of industrial astronauts and advanced robotic systems to provide a strategically-assured, continuous supply of propellants for spacecraft."

Uh huh...does that look anything like this? [blogspot.com]

Re:Moon movie? (4, Informative)

orphiuchus (1146483) | about 2 years ago | (#38088428)

Damn, you beat me to it. Everyone needs to see that movie, its fantastic.

Re:Moon movie? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38088632)

Decent at best.

Incredibly overrated and overhyped. Posts like yours don't help.

Hi (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38088410)

My name Kalic from the planet Klacktong.
Please tell me more about your Shackleton strategically-assured Low Earth Orbit lunar polar crater regions and beyond propellants for spacecraft and industrial astronauts and advanced robotic systems lunar base processing and transporting depot mix.

I only hope... (1)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | about 2 years ago | (#38088432)

My only prayer is that they don't call the moonbase moonbase alpha and start storing nuclear waste on the other side of the moon. ... and that we don't recalibrate the calendar so that 2020 becomes renamed 1999.

Re:I only hope... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38089366)

I'm pretty sure I am the only one that ever watched that show. I liked their cool "staple guns" that they made look like "ray guns". I also liked Maya a whole lot...

I hope they're ready for lawsuits (2)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38088440)

A lot of people own land on the moon and will sue you for trespassing on their mineral rights!

Re:I hope they're ready for lawsuits (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38088468)

And who is going to enforce it?

Re:I hope they're ready for lawsuits (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38088538)

Adverse posession. If you squat openly and flagrantly, and the owner doesn't reclaim the property you may obtain legal title. Of course, IANAL and I don't know if "reclaim" can be legal action or if it actually means they have to have a sherriff knock on your door.

Adverse posession has actually worked in New York City, where artists rehabbed blighted buildings owned by corporations. It's a long struggle and almost everybody who attempts it gets evicted well within time limits; but it *can* happen. Google around.

Anyway, I don't know if the doctrine depends on the ability of the previous owner to enforce the eviction. That's key here. If the owners can get an injunction preventing launches then they have valuable claims. If the owners have to do their own launches to maintain claims, then they are most likely SOL.

Re:I hope they're ready for lawsuits (1)

Gideon Wells (1412675) | about 2 years ago | (#38088554)

Yes, I'm one of them. I am actually supporting this in hopes I can convince them to transport this bridge in Brooklyn I bought up there as a lawn decoration.

Also plans to be emperor of Earth (5, Insightful)

jandrese (485) | about 2 years ago | (#38088450)

2020? These guys are either nuts or lying, maybe both. If they're not just total crackpots, then this is probably just trolling for VC dollars like that stupid flying car thing.

Re:Also plans to be emperor of Earth (2)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | about 2 years ago | (#38088492)

I doubt they will be on the moon that quickly myself.

Not that, with significant investment it can't be done- but that there will be all sorts of hurdles to jump through- and all sorts of legal thingywatsits to deal with before a private corporation dares risk human life.

Re:Also plans to be emperor of Earth (5, Insightful)

jandrese (485) | about 2 years ago | (#38088626)

One minor hurdle will be designing and building a launch system capable of putting enough mass on the moon to actually start mining. The though that it could be done in 8 years is frankly laughable, even if these guys did have money and a workable plan.

If they were maybe shooting for 2120 I could take them slightly more seriously. Even the Apollo program needed 9 years, and they were just putting a couple of guys on the moon for a brief landing. They weren't trying to build infrastructure.

The economics don't even make sense. Who are they going to sell it to? Themselves? There aren't any plans for manned missions beyond earth orbit (G. W. Bush's Mars fantasies not withstanding) so there isn't even a customer for this. It's total lunacy (pun intended).

Re:Also plans to be emperor of Earth (1)

alen (225700) | about 2 years ago | (#38089190)

in the apollo program everything was done on paper. today my iphone has more computing power than the mainframes of the day. it took them years to build and test the LEM, today most of this testing can be done in days using computers

Re:Also plans to be emperor of Earth (1)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | about 2 years ago | (#38089278)

We don't have to reinvent the rocket... That makes a huge difference.

We probably have all the technology we need now to get the fundementals up there.

The main problem is who will pay for it? How will they get their moneyback? And how many lawyers do you have to bend over for to make it a reality.

Profits to costs and risks are too high. It's feasible- if there were significant motivation it could be done...

That said. It won't be done that quick.

Re:Also plans to be emperor of Earth (3, Interesting)

Spy Handler (822350) | about 2 years ago | (#38089294)

well, they didn't say they're developing their own launch vehicle... maybe they're just waiting for Falcon Heavy to be ready, which could be as early as 2017.

If they were to start developing a lunar descent module and robotic mining equipment NOW, I don't see why they can't send their stuff to the moon on Falcon Heavies by 2020.

Re:Also plans to be emperor of Earth (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38088708)

His plan is for a 1 way trip to the moon and the only way him and his team return will be if they succeed in mining the moon.

So either they'll all die or they'll succeed just like when people starting discovering new land around the world.

His (Bill Stone) 1 way ticket plan is what makes me think they'll succeed.

Also you know all that NASA Europa news going around yesterday? Bill Stone's other company is the one designing a probe to drill Europa so if NASA believes in him I wouldn't discount this other venture.

Re:Also plans to be emperor of Earth (2)

afidel (530433) | about 2 years ago | (#38089346)

Falcon heavy can do ~20 tons to TLO with a few tweaks and the first launch is scheduled for next year.

Interesting but ... (4, Interesting)

arthurpaliden (939626) | about 2 years ago | (#38088452)

How have they solved the problem of the abrasive Moon dust? It is really hard on bearings and even worse on lungs.

Re:Interesting but ... (1)

RobertLTux (260313) | about 2 years ago | (#38088592)

"It is really hard on bearings and even worse on lungs."

of course the fact that the moon more or less has no atmosphere is a real killer.

it may be solved more or less by having a "muck room" in the airlocks and sealing what parts can be sealed.

Re:Interesting but ... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38089378)

Nope, the moon dust is extremely fine and won't be filtered like TV/movie decontamination boothes. NASA have published masses of material on the subject, perhaps you might want to read some of it?

Re:Interesting but ... (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#38088618)

Assuming wheels are right out, maybe we've finally found a practical use for legged vehicles?

Re:Interesting but ... (1)

jandrese (485) | about 2 years ago | (#38088660)

What's wrong with wheels? The moon buggy used them and they worked fine.

Re:Interesting but ... (4, Informative)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about 2 years ago | (#38089380)

The moon buggy didn't have to work for very long, and even then it had serious issues with abrasive dust. They almost had to abort the use of the buggy on one mission because the fender got snapped off, which would have caused dust to fly everywhere (duct tape saved the day though). The dust on the moon hasn't been worn into relatively smooth shapes by thousands of years of erosion. It's sharp edged, extremely fine particles that gets everywhere. The buggies wouldn't have been operational after a month of activity on the surface, let alone the years it will take to develop an infrastructure on the surface of the moon.

Re:Interesting but ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38088622)

Does the name of the firm give anyone else pause, vis a vis the ill-fated Arctic Expedition headed by Shackelton??? I'd be concerned about re-supply ships, etc.

Re:Interesting but ... (2)

DC2088 (2343764) | about 2 years ago | (#38088954)

Better than the Antarctic Lake-Atwood expedition. Or the proposed Starkweather-Moore follow-up.

Re:Interesting but ... (2)

Botia (855350) | about 2 years ago | (#38088754)

Use sealed bearings and don't breath the lunar atmosphere?

Re:Interesting but ... (5, Informative)

0123456 (636235) | about 2 years ago | (#38088938)

Use sealed bearings and don't breath the lunar atmosphere?

The latter is tricky when it sticks to just about everything. The only simple solution I've seen proposed is to use space suits that 'dock' with the habitat (i.e. you back up to an airlock, latch to it and climb out of the suit) rather than suits you put on or remove inside the habitat.

Re:Interesting but ... (1)

camperdave (969942) | about 2 years ago | (#38089212)

Use sealed bearings and don't breath the lunar atmosphere?

The latter is tricky when it sticks to just about everything.

I think the latter would be tricky because, practically speaking, the lunar atmosphere is a vacuum.

Re:Interesting but ... (4, Informative)

0123456 (636235) | about 2 years ago | (#38089296)

I think the latter would be tricky because, practically speaking, the lunar atmosphere is a vacuum.

Good luck breathing vacuum.

Which part of 'the dust sticks to just about everything' is proving hard to understand? The Apollo astronauts said that the LEM's interior was covered in dust after a few spacewalks and smelled like gunpowder because they were breathing it in all the time after it fell off their dust-covered suits. They also had to continually clean it off the Lunar Rover's radiator so it wouldn't overheat.

This is one of the biggest problems with living on the Moon, not a silly joke.

Re:Interesting but ... (2)

mark_elf (2009518) | about 2 years ago | (#38089414)

It makes it more difficult, but isn't it just silica dust? I mean it's not good to breathe at all, but we have silica dust here too. Moon dust isn't magically different. Mining is dangerous here too. Bring a lots and lots of filters and scrubbers with you and leave the suit in the airlock. Since this would be described as an extremely dangerous job anyway, I don't see how the moon dust is a deal breaker.

Love to see that waiver of liability and "hold harmless" though. If this next martian rover actually works, it's starting to show we don't need to send people at all. It adds 10X to the expense of a mission. These one way trip scenarios are romantic and all, but I don't think one will ever leave the ground due to all the lawyering.

I supposed a totalitarian government that runs it's own court system could get away with it. Or a completely military venture.

Ridiculous (1, Insightful)

SirGarlon (845873) | about 2 years ago | (#38088470)

I would be amazed if a private company managed, by 2020, so much as to land a man on the Moon, let alone build a permanent base there. But no, I'm too skeptical. No one would ever exaggerate the feasibility of such a venture just to bilk money from credulous investors. Especially not a much of middle-aged former NASA engineers who just got laid off due to the end of the shuttle program.

Re:Ridiculous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38088822)

How many is in a much?

Re:Ridiculous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38089154)

Quite a few.

Minor problems remaining (1)

mapsjanhere (1130359) | about 2 years ago | (#38088472)

And here NASA thinks that it will take 10 years until there's a mature enough technology to remotely build reusable landing fields on the moon, followed by another couple of years to actually build them. And that's for something in the warm areas, not the -220C cold permanently shadowed craters. There guys probably plan on ordering their equipment from Caterpillar and let the engines run overnight to make sure they stay warm (works in Alaska).

Re:Minor problems remaining (2)

Brannoncyll (894648) | about 2 years ago | (#38088898)

Would the "temperature" really be a problem? The machines are going to be in vacuum, so the only way they can lose heat (apart from conduction via the soil) is by radiation. Here being constantly in shadow is probably a benefit, as then you can wrap the machine in enough reflective foil to maintain whatever your desired operating temperature is without having to worry about the sun spoiling your calculations.

Re:Minor problems remaining (2)

mapsjanhere (1130359) | about 2 years ago | (#38089092)

Sure you can insulate, but are you going to wrap every exposed tool on your system in insulation? This company is planing a mining operation, how long do you think that foil is going to last while digging in dirt (which happens to be extremely abrasive). And sure it's easy to maintain the desired operating temperature if you're connected via cable to an operating nuclear reactor, but your excavator moving in the field will be draining its batteries just trying to keep the joints and hydraulics warm without that 1.3 kW/m^2 solar assist (and no solar panels to recharge them either).

Who owns the moon? (4, Insightful)

ugen (93902) | about 2 years ago | (#38088476)

So who owns the moon? I mean - will they have mineral rights licensed from someone? And is there an agreement as to who that might be? Sounds like a casus belli brewing.

Re:Who owns the moon? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38088544)

Whoever colonizes it first. Treaties are meaningless in such a case.

well it can be tied up in the courts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38088574)

www.lunarlandowner.com

Re:well it can be tied up in the courts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38089202)

Good luck trying to deliver the subpeona

Re:Who owns the moon? (2)

ShavedOrangutan (1930630) | about 2 years ago | (#38088918)

Whoever can defend their claim owns the moon.

Same as on Earth. It's impossible to own anything without having the force to protect it. Or live under an authority willing to do it for you.

Re:Who owns the moon? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38089122)

You seem to have "possess" and "own" confused. You can still own something even if you no longer possess it. Otherwise, the concepts of borrowing or theft would be meaningless.

Clones in the basement? (1, Funny)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | about 2 years ago | (#38088478)

[quote]The company said it will use a mix of industrial astronauts and advanced robotic systems[/quote]

Great, just what we need -- mass-produced clones having an existential break-down while being gently prodded on by a robot with the voice of Kevin Spacey.

Re:Clones in the basement? (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about 2 years ago | (#38088968)

[quote]The company said it will use a mix of industrial astronauts and advanced robotic systems[/quote]

Great, just what we need -- mass-produced clones having an existential break-down while being gently prodded on by a robot with the voice of Kevin Spacey.

I'd land a lot of robots, to explore, before landing another man on the moon. Something found with the South Pole examination of the lunar surface is that surface is very soft, fluffy and deep. Land there with care or become lost at sea, so to speak.

Wow...oh, wait. Nevermind (5, Informative)

codepigeon (1202896) | about 2 years ago | (#38088490)

I was excited about this, until I went to their "website". http://www.shackletonenergy.com/ [shackletonenergy.com]

Re:Wow...oh, wait. Nevermind (1)

JustAnotherIdiot (1980292) | about 2 years ago | (#38088534)

$1,200,000 Campaign Goal

....ahahahahahaha.

Re:Wow...oh, wait. Nevermind (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38088704)

Most of the hard work has already been done by Top Gear and to a lesser extent NASA.

I'd be able to get the project done for $1,000,000.

Re:Wow...oh, wait. Nevermind (1)

Jeng (926980) | about 2 years ago | (#38089382)

I bet that Top Gear could land a vehicle on the moon long before Shackleton Energy could.

Would be great if Top Gear actually did challenge them on this.

BS^9^9^9 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38088496)

What BS. Neither the technology nor the business plan is going to fly.

To early? (1)

hamalnamal (2499998) | about 2 years ago | (#38088520)

While I don't doubt that it's do-able, and that they may even be on the moon when they say they will, it seems a little bit early to me. I may be wrong about this as I only read space articles once in a while, but my impression is that they won't be pulling a profit for quite a while. Who's going to provide the volume of purchases necessary to turn a profit on a moon base?

First interplanetary commercial venture (5, Funny)

P-niiice (1703362) | about 2 years ago | (#38088550)

TV: "In 2020 we'll land privately-owned vvehicles on the moon-"

Viewer:"Yaaaaaaaay"

TV" "-in order to rape its resources."

Viewer: "fuuuuuuuck"

Re:First interplanetary commercial venture (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38089174)

Stop romanticizing the moon. How do you "rape the resources" of a lifeless rock?

Re:First interplanetary commercial venture (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 2 years ago | (#38089514)

Exactly. The only danger is altering the mass enough to cause problems with the Moon's tidal relationship with the Earth. I think it's safe to say there's no danger of that happening.

This is exactly what we as a species need to be doing: we need to keep our own planet as clean and pristine as possible, so we can enjoy living here; for resources, we should get those offworld from other places where mining doesn't affect our own ecosystem. It's like that old saying "shitting where you eat" (or is it "shitting where you sleep"?); that's what we're doing by mining on Earth. There's no life on the Moon or asteroids, so why not rape them for their resources if we can?

Re:First interplanetary commercial venture (1)

ScentCone (795499) | about 2 years ago | (#38089334)

Right, because the Lunar Snail Darters are at risk, and the view from the Kennedy Lunar Compound might be bothered.

Bill Stone's TED Talk (4, Informative)

MrP- (45616) | about 2 years ago | (#38088578)

His TED Talk was great:

http://www.ted.com/talks/bill_stone_explores_the_earth_and_space.html [ted.com]
(the moon stuff is towards the middle/end)

They're also on RocketHub ("crowdfunding"):
http://rockethub.com/projects/3822-shackleton-energy-company-propellant-depots [rockethub.com]

I just found out about Bill and his company yesterday. I'm hoping they're successful!

Re:Bill Stone's TED Talk (3, Interesting)

kermidge (2221646) | about 2 years ago | (#38089374)

When I first saw the article, I flashed on Heinlein, then "Destination Moon", the first movie I saw, back in 1951.

Seems to me that what Bill Stone is setting out to do is the kind of thing any real nerd would give his left nut to do, be involved in, or see happen. I may be getting too cynical (I think many here are, or have already arrived) but I'd like to see this work. Wouldn't hurt to have a modern-day Delos Harriman or three backing this. I think too many forget that humans invent their own future. One may observe - avidly or idly, participate, or scoff.

For those who didn't click through the links: http://www.stoneaerospace.com/news-/news-mining-moon.php [stoneaerospace.com]

(Thanks for the hippie quiz. It brought back a few memories. 114)

Can the aliens come kill us NOW, pleae? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38088636)

Great. As if "fracking" (NOT the Galactica kind...) isn't bad enough, somebody wants to screw with the moon and risk screwing up tides, etc....

Re:Can the aliens come kill us NOW, pleae? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38088866)

Screwing up the tides? Are you retarded or something? Maybe the fact that you can see its features with the naked eye from a quarter-million miles away didn't make this clear enough for you, but the moon is kind of big. You could cover that thing in factories and it wouldn't have a significant impact on its mass.

Re:Can the aliens come kill us NOW, pleae? (1)

sycodon (149926) | about 2 years ago | (#38088978)

I knew that if I just scrolled down far enough I'd find some idiot opposed to this for whatever reason.

How long until some group starts whining about plundering and ruining our pristine moon.

ep*! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38088714)

ASSOCIATION OF corpse tur!ned over The political mess your replies rather OS I do, because

BAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38088760)

HOOOO BOY! Someone got exposed to lethal quantities of 1960s over optimism! And probably is getting lot$ of VC funding... Just like Solaren, you'll never hear from this again, except in the fraud section of Google News!

"Your comment violated the "postersubj" compression filter. Try less whitespace and/or less repetition in the subject line."

Business Plan (1)

ddd0004 (1984672) | about 2 years ago | (#38089022)

1. Cook up a crazy scheme that seems half-way plausible
2. Get investment money from some foolish investors
3. Play with rockets and science stuff and then revise timeline when your deadline nears.
4. Goto 1

Yeah right (1)

CHK6 (583097) | about 2 years ago | (#38089048)

Bottom line, if there was any profitability in it, Exxon, shell, BP, Citgo, etc. etc. would have already done it. This is someone's day dream.

Re:Yeah right (2)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | about 2 years ago | (#38089304)

In their defense, you could have said the same thing back in the late 70s about PCs.

Those companies aren't going to take the risk. They'll let somebody else do it and, if those people are successful, they'll buy them out.

Uh..huh.. (1)

DC2088 (2343764) | about 2 years ago | (#38089090)

Destination time in the immediate future. No website to speak of. Using crowdsourcing/crowdfunding. Press release contains a misuse of "it's" when "its" should have been used. Color me skeptical.

Not gonna happen by 2020 (2)

fsckmnky (2505008) | about 2 years ago | (#38089284)

Anyone who has watched a mine, and a refinery, or even seen pictures of them, is qualified to question the validity of the time frame here. All that industrial process activity, in an environment with no atmosphere to speak of and reduced gravity ?

Kudos for thinking big and bold, and the value of whatever solutions do emerge ... but operating by 2020 ?

Not gonna happen.

Re:Not gonna happen by 2020 (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | about 2 years ago | (#38089384)

Has anyone seen the logistics of this project?

Re:Not gonna happen by 2020 (1)

fsckmnky (2505008) | about 2 years ago | (#38089410)

I haven't. But having walked around with my eyes open for a little while, this is one of the few blind predictions I'm willing to state boldly. ;)

Re:Not gonna happen by 2020 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38089460)

you mean NEVER gonna happen for the next millenia.
maybe 3020 if that.

Whalers on the moon (1)

Abstrackt (609015) | about 2 years ago | (#38089312)

We're whalers on the Moon, we carry a harpoon. But there ain't no whales so we tell tall tales and sing our whaling tune.

Luna Park (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38089418)

So by 2030 if we have not nuked ourselves out of existence then we should all be able to visit Luna Park in our personal spaceships and sleep with the lone farmers robot daughter.

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