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Microsoft's DNS Down

CmdrTaco posted more than 13 years ago | from the immeasurably-irrelevant dept.

Microsoft 603

Everybody and their brother has submitted what has to be the least interesting story in months. Microsoft's DNS server is down. I haven't visited their web site in months and I don't care in the slightest, but if I don't post this, I'm going to spend the next 48 hours deleting 2,000 submissions about it as zillions of people somehow think that this matters. Yup. Its down. Ye haw. Do you people actually visit microsoft.com? It didn't even render under Netscape for the longest time. I can't remember the last time I intentionally went to that site. There's just no need. (Well, I guess if you run windows you gotta get your service packs every few minutes ;)

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Re:Due to Incompetence (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#484504)

The answer I listed was the answer from the gTLD servers, and from the A root server. If you can't reach any of the nameservers that are listed in the .COM zone, you can't get the NS Set for the other nameservers. It doesn't matter how many nameservers they have in the microsoft.com zone. At least one of the nameservers has to be reachable.

Also, because of the way Windows 2000 doesn't handle negative caching for lame nameserver delegations, anyone using a Windows 2000 server for DNS resolution is probably also fighting their choked network pipes.

Microsoft may know how to do some things, but DNS definitely isn't one of them.

No fear... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#484506)

Luckily I resolved microsoft.com
Click here [207.46.230.219]
or here [207.46.230.218]


Watch these sleezy moderators, mod me down to -1 for giving you all helpful information :-)
Support microsoft.com, the closed source revolution 2001!

Re:Not down... but sluggish (1)

Caine (784) | more than 13 years ago | (#484510)

Their homepage is reacting slowly too, and I can hardly even get any of the images on it (and it's usually quite fast). A DoS attack doesn't sound to improbable. The question is what it's hitting? Since the DNS servers are almost totally down but the homepage only partially? Are they attacking both or is the fact that the homepage is slow only a side effect?

Why I care (1)

SiliconJesus (1407) | more than 13 years ago | (#484512)

I honestly wouldn't care either, except I use MSN Messanger out of need, I use Hotmail to get e-mail and I play Asheron's Call online which is exclusively available for play online through the Zone. Actually - the two other things are a byproduct of the latter, but I can't stop playing. I guess the chances that they'll port to Linux are zero to none.
On a similarly funny note, Asheron's Call had a bug last night and had to have an emergency patch installed. They *have* been verified to be NT Boxen. The bug allowed users with a sniffer and a DoS attack to kill servers, causing the characters attached to that box to reset to their previous save point. Interesting bug, more interesting that M$ / Turbing forgot to patch. I'm just wondering if the two were related...
Secret windows code

Re:DNS, Schmee En Ess.... (1)

Howie (4244) | more than 13 years ago | (#484528)

and hope they aren't using HTTP/1.1 virtual hosts?

It doesn't affect me because I read the web with telnet, but it might be a problem for some.

Flamebait in Article (1)

suds (6610) | more than 13 years ago | (#484539)

There's just no need. (Well, I guess if you run windows you gotta get your service packs every few minutes ;)

Shouldn't the articles themselves be moderated for flamebait,troll etc..? What do you say CmdrTaco?

I wonder (1)

jjr (6873) | more than 13 years ago | (#484541)

What will will be Microsoft's spin on this now. We were testing our new secure DNS server's so secure nobody can use them.

microsoft.com on the mac (1)

mattkime (8466) | more than 13 years ago | (#484546)

It didn't even render under Netscape for the longest time.

Actually it has been just the opposite on the Mac. For the longest time I had to use Netscape to look at their site because the font rendered too small on IE. (My guess is that they were using "size =-1" to scale down the larger 120 dpi PC fonts.)

Re:Its more than a DNS problem (1)

brassrat77 (9533) | more than 13 years ago | (#484548)

$ whois microsoft.com@whois.internic.net
[whois.internic.net]

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.LIVE.FOREVER.BUT.LUNIX.SUCKS- BY BIRTH.ARTISTICCHEESE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.GIVE.UP.BECAUSE.LINUXISGOD. CO M
MICROSOFT.COM.SE.FAIT.HAX0RIZER.PAR.TOUT.LE.ZOY. OR G
MICROSOFT.COM.OWNED.BY.MAT.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.N-AIME.BILL.QUE.QUAND.IL.N-EST.PAS .N U
MICROSOFT.COM.MUST.STOP.TAKEDRUGS.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SOON.GOING.TO.THE.DEATHCORPORAT IO N.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SECRETLY.RUN.BY.ILLUMINATI.TERR OR ISTS.NET
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NOTHING.BUT.A.MONSTER.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NO.MATCH.FOR.THE.UEBER-GEEKS.AT .J IMPHILLIPS.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.GOD.BUT.LINUX.SUCKS-FOREVER.ART IS TICCHEESE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.BORING.COMPARED.TO.TEENEXTREME. CO M
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.AT.THE.MERCY.OF.DETRIMENT.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.INSPIRES.COPYCAT.WANNABE.SUBVERSIV ES .NET
MICROSOFT.COM.HAS.NO.LINUXCLUE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.PSYKOJOKO.ON.A.ROOT-NETW OR K.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.GUTS.NL
MICROSOFT.COM.FAIT.VRAIMENT.DES.LOGICIELS.A.TROI S. FRANCS.DOUZE.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.ER.IKKE.NO.I.FORHOLD.TIL.LATHANS.N ET
MICROSOFT.COM.AINT.WORTH.SHIT.KLUGE.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM

To single out one record, look it up with "xxx", where xxx is one of the
of the records displayed above. If the records are the same, look them up
with "=xxx" to receive a full display for each record.

>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:55:29 EST <<<

Re:Taco (1)

CoolVibe (11466) | more than 13 years ago | (#484553)

Knowing how Exchange performs and *loses mail* under high load, that doesn't surprise me...

Thank god I converted my company to use postfix

--
Slashdot didn't accept your submission? hackerheaven.org [hackerheaven.org] will!

Perhaps this explains it, root nameserver hack? (1)

phoenix_V (16542) | more than 13 years ago | (#484572)

whois microsoft.com@rs.internic.net [rs.internic.net] Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.i>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:55:29 EST >> Last update of whois database: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:55:29 EST The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and Registrars.

The good and the bad (1)

still cynical (17020) | more than 13 years ago | (#484576)

The bad: those of us stuck supporting M$ junk can't get our daily bug fixes/workarounds.

The good: net congestion should drop dramatically, since we can't get our daily bug fixes/workarounds.

Yep.. (1)

BilldaCat (19181) | more than 13 years ago | (#484588)

this will make me want to use .NET even more.. just think.. all of your company's data would be inaccessible right now, during the morning workday (at least on the east coast).

I can't wait!

Re:Slashdot goes down regularly??? (1)

BilldaCat (19181) | more than 13 years ago | (#484589)

I am frequently unable (several times per month) unable to reach Slashdot, sometimes up to an hour or so per outage.

Re:What a WHOIS lookup shows (1)

Holophax (21693) | more than 13 years ago | (#484590)

How many times do we need to see the same information? I would just moderate as redundant, but it seems painfully obvious that no one realizes that the DNS has not been "compromised". None of the domains end in "microsoft.com" they start with it. If it was hacked, you would see something more like "blah.blah.blah.go.to.hell.microsoft.com"

Geez.

It's just as easy to make microsoft.com.slashdot.org

It's not just microsoft.com (1)

whuppy (33165) | more than 13 years ago | (#484608)

The outage is affecting other msoft sites,
notably hotmail. There. The outage affects me because I use hotmail, so sue me.
--

Re:What a WHOIS lookup shows (1)

Vrallis (33290) | more than 13 years ago | (#484609)

I noticed a similar thing yesterday while trying to find out why Slashdot's DNS was down (was a bad router in sprintlink).

[whois.crsnic.net]

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

SLASHDOT.ORG.SUCKS.COMPARED.TO.JIMPHILLIPS.ORG
SLASHDOT.ORG

To single out one record, look it up with "xxx", where xxx is one of the
of the records displayed above. If the records are the same, look them up
with "=xxx" to receive a full display for each record.

>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:55:29 EST

The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
Registrars.

Re:Oh no. (1)

MarNuke (34221) | more than 13 years ago | (#484613)

Looks like the zones crapped out...

Re:Too bad... (1)

MarNuke (34221) | more than 13 years ago | (#484614)

Let me breaks news to you. With DNS and domain names, for it to be down even one minute in a year is very bad. If you understood DNS you would realize that it has built in load balancing and fail over.

Re:Irrelevant (1)

jammer 4 (34274) | more than 13 years ago | (#484615)

Right on. I'm no M$ lover, but I really don't see the point of this story either.

And LOL: News for kiddies. Stuff thats l337

I'll be laughing about that one for a while...

huh? (1)

MrP- (45616) | more than 13 years ago | (#484642)

What internic you using?

Registrant:
Microsoft Corporation (MICROSOFT-DOM)
1 microsoft way
redmond, WA 98052
US

Domain Name: MICROSOFT.COM

Administrative Contact:
Microsoft Hostmaster (MH37-ORG) msnhst@MICROSOFT.COM
Microsoft Corp
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
US
425 882 8080 Fax- - - .: 206 703 2641
Technical Contact:
MSN NOC (MN5-ORG) msnnoc@MICROSOFT.COM
Microsoft Corp
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
US
425 882 8080 Fax- PATH
Billing Contact:
Microsoft-Internic Billing Issues (MDB-ORG) msnbill@MICROSOFT.COM
Microsoft Corp
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
US
425 882 8080 Fax- ïvxt

Record last updated on 29-Sep-2000.
Record expires on 03-May-2010.
Record created on 02-May-1991.
Database last updated on 24-Jan-2001 09:58:30 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET 207.46.138.11
DNS5.CP.MSFT.NET 207.46.138.12
DNS6.CP.MSFT.NET 207.46.138.20
DNS7.CP.MSFT.NET 207.46.138.21

w2k service packs broke their capacity? (1)

civilizedINTENSITY (45686) | more than 13 years ago | (#484643)

w2k sp1: 30 Mbytes
Office 2k sp1: 30 Mbytes

Then when it crashed my HD I had to reinstall and do the downloads again!

Intentionnally to that site (1)

cyberdonny (46462) | more than 13 years ago | (#484645)

> I can't remember the last time I intentionally went to that site.

I can see it now... A new batch of trolls linking to www.microsoft.com [microsoft.com] instead of the usual goatse.cx...

Are you sure it's only DNS? (1)

redelm (54142) | more than 13 years ago | (#484652)

Granted nameservice seems to be down. No surprise. But are people getting through by IP?

Another pointless dig... (1)

pondlife (56385) | more than 13 years ago | (#484655)

Come on Taco, do we really need childish comments like this: "(Well, I guess if you run windows you gotta get your service packs every few minutes ;)" Compare this: "Well, I guess if you run Linux you gotta get your kernel and package updates every few minutes..."

Why is frequently downloading patches and updates only a virtue when *NIX people do it? When NT people do it (I don't count Windows 9x/ME as a serious OS), it apparently proves that the OS is flaky and insecure, whereas when Linux guys do it, it proves how great their freedom of choice to upgrade is. Or, it proves that the Linux guys are all conscientious sysadmins maintaining secure systems, whereas obviously every NT patch is a blue screen fix.

I don't care if /. readers flaunt their ill-informed OS religious beliefs, but when the editors start doing it, it's bad news. (And putting a smiley at the end doesn't make it tongue-in-cheek...)

hrmpf (1)

radja (58949) | more than 13 years ago | (#484656)

quicky maybe... but full story?

//rdj

Re:yes, it is lame (1)

mansemat (65131) | more than 13 years ago | (#484661)

Unfortunately, the *New Economy* is full of certified Windows 98 Technical Support Specialists who love their new careers and can't get enough of Microsoft, good or bad.

Why are you busting on these people? If they weren't fixing MS boxes they'd probably be flipping burgers some place. Not everyone can be a *nix guru. Because they can't handle *nix does that mean they can't work in the tech industry? (Hmm, wait a second, that actually sounds like a *good* idea :)

Its more than a DNS problem (1)

pcolbeck (73749) | more than 13 years ago | (#484673)

Looks like a concerted attack to me. A whois queiry at internic on microsoft.com returns a rant about MS rather than the usuall list of administrators etc.

brother? (1)

riggwelter (84180) | more than 13 years ago | (#484687)

Well, I submitted it, but I'm not sure my borther did...

Don't think he even reads /.

--

It's better than bottling it up... (1)

biglig2 (89374) | more than 13 years ago | (#484700)

Woo, little hostility there....

This is the power of Slashdot, trying to get at the MS knobase to find out how to turn someting off on one of our servers, not working. Bugger, I think, and refresh slashdot. there's the story!

I suppose it's vaguely relevant for people wishing to compare BIND favorably to the Win2K DNS server...

Ah, I see via a whois that all their DNS servers are on the same segment, that's a no-no.

Anyhow, if any slashdotters feel they must, try http://207.46.230.218/ [207.46.230.218]

Re:not only microsoft.com (1)

ari_j (90255) | more than 13 years ago | (#484702)

Are you saying that M$ forgot to pay their $35 this year? And I thought I was cheap!

Re:It's not just microsoft.com (1)

ari_j (90255) | more than 13 years ago | (#484703)

I use Hotmail, and I'm not affected.

Re:This is important! (1)

marnanel (98063) | more than 13 years ago | (#484716)

Not all MS sites. MSDN [microsoft.com] seems to be visible still.

M

Re:It's not just microsoft.com (1)

rosewood (99925) | more than 13 years ago | (#484717)

hotmail works for me just msn.com and microsoft.com and all links seem dead

Damn (1)

jmenezes (100986) | more than 13 years ago | (#484722)

Does this mean that all the spam i sign up for with my "other" e-mail billg@microsoft.com is gonna bounce back?
:(
how sad

nslookup -type=any microsoft.com (1)

cloudscout (104011) | more than 13 years ago | (#484727)

Apparently InterNIC still knows how to find them, contrary to what some other people are reporting.

intrigue:~$ nslookup -type=any microsoft.com

Non-authoritative answer:
microsoft.com nameserver = DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET
microsoft.com nameserver = DNS5.CP.MSFT.NET
microsoft.com nameserver = DNS7.CP.MSFT.NET
microsoft.com nameserver = DNS6.CP.MSFT.NET

Authoritative answers can be found from:
microsoft.com nameserver = DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET
microsoft.com nameserver = DNS5.CP.MSFT.NET
microsoft.com nameserver = DNS7.CP.MSFT.NET
microsoft.com nameserver = DNS6.CP.MSFT.NET
DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET internet address = 207.46.138.11
DNS5.CP.MSFT.NET internet address = 207.46.138.12
DNS7.CP.MSFT.NET internet address = 207.46.138.21
DNS6.CP.MSFT.NET internet address = 207.46.138.20

Re:Oh no. (1)

yorgasor (109984) | more than 13 years ago | (#484735)

You're correct, but try getting anywhere using the links. All the ones I tried had absolute URLs instead of relative ones.

Not down... but sluggish (1)

anj (120842) | more than 13 years ago | (#484748)

I checked, and their four DNS servers (at 207.46.138.11, 12, 20, and 21) are all answering pings, but only sporadically. Lots of packets are getting lost, but those that get through are 100-150 msec responses. Perhaps a DoS attack?

silly rabbit... (1)

Shadows (121287) | more than 13 years ago | (#484749)

Everybody and there brother...

It seems that CmdrTaco's spelling and grammar are processes run on Microsoft's DNS servers.

Re:more MS bashing! (1)

pallex (126468) | more than 13 years ago | (#484755)

Yeah, pretty funny stuff. "You dont actually GO there do you?"

Well, i develop VB programs under Windows, as its a nice environment,and its where the money is. Seeing as microsoft.com has a bunch of useful stuff in the developer/knowledgebase sections, i`d be interested to hear better suggestions.

I cant use linux as there are no decent music apps for it (that get *anywhere* near cubase, cakewalk, rebirth etc), no visual basic (i know C but sometimes its nice to knock up fully functional apps in a couple of hours). Ok, so theres a C compiler apparantly. Cool.

85MB (1)

Oscar26 (126520) | more than 13 years ago | (#484756)

FYI - W2k service pack 1 was closer to 85MB as I recall. I think it fixed everything but the calculator.

Re:It's not just microsoft.com (1)

StoryMan (130421) | more than 13 years ago | (#484759)

Slate.com, too.

Hotmail is sluggish, and I can't get to MSNBC.

I'm most irritated about Slate, though. There's nothing better than waking up, going to Slate, and seeing the latest "Bushism" of the day.

Yeeeeeeehaw!

Re:huh? (1)

prisoner (133137) | more than 13 years ago | (#484764)

try a whois from the command line

Re:Taco (1)

trkball (138324) | more than 13 years ago | (#484771)

Yeah, well, they can just go out to lunch or something, and give the world a day's break from Microsoft's manifest destiny :-)

Microsoft Servers (1)

Shocker69 (141391) | more than 13 years ago | (#484774)

Sorry to have to point this out, and it is definitely not a troll.....but.... wasn't it posted here a couple months ago that Microsoft actually uses Linux for their servers?

Taco (1)

zsazsa (141679) | more than 13 years ago | (#484775)

I just love Taco's high-and-mighty posturing here. DNS doesn't just mean web and FTP, it also means mail. I know several rather respectable people who work at Microsoft who have lost their mail.. How sad. :(

zsazsaroonie

Re:Oh no. (1)

TheWarlocke (142349) | more than 13 years ago | (#484777)

Why should we care?

What have we come to? (1)

Wrexen (151642) | more than 13 years ago | (#484786)

Here I am, loading Slashdot hoping to find something newsworthy on the front page. This is "News for nerds, Stuff that matters" after all, right? Instead what do we find? Taco posts an article that, by his own admission, is hardly worth mentioning whatsoever. Servers go down sometimes. Sometimes those servers are DNS servers. Wow. All this article amounts to is a blatant flame/troll on MS, and yet another scar on the integrity and professionality of this site as a whole.

We all know this isn't a Microsoft fan club, but the front page doesn't need to be littered with bigotry and flames. If Redhat had some problems, Taco would never have had posted an article saying "Redhat's FTP site is down -- Uh oh, since Redhat users have to patch their kernels on a weekly basis, they're all f*cked!" I would expect the same respect for any other competitor in the industry, even if you don't appreciate their methodology, or software, or paradigm, or logo, or...

I understand a lot of people may have been submitting this. Fine. Some people think that a server going down for a while is a big deal. MS's site wasn't hacked, Time-Warner didn't get bought out by Nabisco, and Linux Torbalds is still alive. Have there been frivoulous articles in the past? Sure. That's pretty much the entirety of the "Laugh, it's funny" section. But this is labeled as "real" news in some fashion, I guess, and under any kind of standard it fails to be good reporting. There's no link, there's no information, it's just Taco saying "Damnit stop sending me submissions on this MS DNS thing. MS sux0rs!" in different words. We can do better that this. Please.

Re:Not down... but sluggish (1)

junklight (183583) | more than 13 years ago | (#484821)

Either that or they are being swamped by lots of people "just checking". :-) mark

Too bad... (1)

blueg3 (192743) | more than 13 years ago | (#484828)

that it's down so infrequently that you actually have to post when it is down. Wouldn't it be that much better to have posts like "Microsoft's DNS reaches 2-week uptime!"

Re:This is important! (1)

wiZd0m (192990) | more than 13 years ago | (#484830)

Yeah, but download.microsoft.com is down, so I can't download Studio.Net to run Visual Perl, man, it sucks.

By the way, did anyone try Visual Perl? Am I wasting my time downloading all this stuff?

wiZd0m

Well, actually... (1)

Gingko (195226) | more than 13 years ago | (#484833)

Yeah, I do care. I visit msdn.microsoft.com all the time, because it's full of interesting technical information (not just for microsoft platforms), which appeals to the geek in me.

As a non-politically driven techie, I find I'm able to swallow my pride and make best use of all the information available. I don't feel somehow dirty after visiting ms' site.

While I understand a large part of slashdot's readership are none too big fans of microsoft's, I hope no-one attempts to generalise Katz-style about what we _all_ are interested in. I appreciate finding the line to tread is difficult.

What is slightly more interesting is the motivation behind people submitting the story. I suppose people wanted to laugh at ms' technology because it went wrong, and garner some reflected sense of superiority from that. Hmm.

Henry

No, it's not (1)

David Wong (199703) | more than 13 years ago | (#484840)

Not for me it isn't. Can't get into Hotmail or MSN or microsoft.com. Just tried fifteen seconds ago.

Re:yes, it is lame (1)

phaze3000 (204500) | more than 13 years ago | (#484846)

Don't forget us poor students that support M$ products because there aren't any other jobs where we can just work a couple of weeks here and there.

--

Yes, down... (1)

ranessin (205172) | more than 13 years ago | (#484847)


Your DNS most likely has microsoft.com cached.

Ranessin

Re:This is important! (1)

ranessin (205172) | more than 13 years ago | (#484848)


Only because your DNS has it cached... It is down.

Ranessin

Re:This is news? (1)

atrowe (209484) | more than 13 years ago | (#484853)

Of course Taco doesn't have much room to talk considering his website goes down for a few hours every couple of days due to problems with Exodus.net.

Oh, Mah Gawd! (1)

tenzig_112 (213387) | more than 13 years ago | (#484857)

Hey, everybody! The Microsoft Knowledgebase is down! I think their DNS went ker-fluwey.

more breaking (pun intended) news [ridiculopathy.com]

Re:not only microsoft.com (1)

theroge (214016) | more than 13 years ago | (#484859)

You're right. I don't know where I got that. Vaguely remember doing a msn lookup and not getting a reply, but it works now. Hotmail uses other dns servers so it isn't related to them at all. Sorry for the hickup..

--
Rgier

The DNS response is pretty funny actually (1)

dudemaster (228232) | more than 13 years ago | (#484876)

# whois microsoft.com
[whois.crsnic.net]

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.LIVE.FOREVER.BUT.LUNIX.SUCKS- BY BIRTH.ARTISTICCHEESE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.GIVE.UP.BECAUSE.LINUXISGOD. CO M
MICROSOFT.COM.SE.FAIT.HAX0RIZER.PAR.TOUT.LE.ZOY. OR G
MICROSOFT.COM.OWNED.BY.MAT.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.N-AIME.BILL.QUE.QUAND.IL.N-EST.PAS .N U
MICROSOFT.COM.MUST.STOP.TAKEDRUGS.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SOON.GOING.TO.THE.DEATHCORPORAT IO N.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SECRETLY.RUN.BY.ILLUMINATI.TERR OR ISTS.NET
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NOTHING.BUT.A.MONSTER.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NO.MATCH.FOR.THE.UEBER-GEEKS.AT .J IMPHILLIPS.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.GOD.BUT.LINUX.SUCKS-FOREVER.ART IS TICCHEESE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.BORING.COMPARED.TO.TEENEXTREME. CO M
MICROSOFT.COM.IS.AT.THE.MERCY.OF.DETRIMENT.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.INSPIRES.COPYCAT.WANNABE.SUBVERSIV ES .NET
MICROSOFT.COM.HAS.NO.LINUXCLUE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.PSYKOJOKO.ON.A.ROOT-NETW OR K.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.HACKSWARE.COM
MICROSOFT.COM.GUTS.NL
MICROSOFT.COM.FAIT.VRAIMENT.DES.LOGICIELS.A.TROI S. FRANCS.DOUZE.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM.ER.IKKE.NO.I.FORHOLD.TIL.LATHANS.N ET
MICROSOFT.COM.AINT.WORTH.SHIT.KLUGE.ORG
MICROSOFT.COM

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of the records displayed above. If the records are the same, look them up
with "=xxx" to receive a full display for each record.

>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:55:29 EST

The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
Registrars.

Blame someone else... (1)

cvbear0 (231010) | more than 13 years ago | (#484879)

I bet UUNET made a typo in their routing tables. :-)

Looks like some Eurotrash still is up, SD it ;-) (1)

Trevlig (240776) | more than 13 years ago | (#484892)


Nah im just kidding, but it seems like http://www.microsoft.co.uk

is up and has some more information about the "issues with its websites". Check it out before it gets Slashdotted =)

support roles (1)

DaBB (247418) | more than 13 years ago | (#484901)

well gee, it is a big deal because now I can't get the goddamn files I need to do my work today - try telling a user that MSoft's DNS is down and observe: a) they don't understand b) they don't care which inevitably leads to c) I get kicked around by people who think I'm coming up with excuses. Sheesh - /. is becoming sooo rabid and elitist, I used to get warm and fuzzy vibes here...

looks like a DoS (1)

DaHat (247651) | more than 13 years ago | (#484902)

I agree with anj. It looks like it is a DoS attack... kinda ironic don't you think? A DoS on the people who brought us DOS. I too can ping their dns servers but only a few come back to me, and their web ip is running slow as *bleep*.

Umm.... (1)

metlin (258108) | more than 13 years ago | (#484915)

Funny my backdoor didn't work out as I expected.....

"...Fear the people who fear your computer"

Microsoft Is The Greatest Software Company EVER (1)

jarb (303996) | more than 13 years ago | (#484932)

You can rant all you want about how nice linux is or how cool the mac is or this and that and how awful Microsoft is, but you it's just misplaced anger. The fact that Windows _works_ on hundreds of millions of PC's around the world is a truly amazing feat. And the last time I checked the security sites, linux had just has many security holes as windows only they're not publicized as much. How about that fptd security hole from a few months back? Woooo that _never_ happens on a linux box.... All your Microsoft bashing is completely unfounded and I'm crying all the way to the bank.

Microsoft DNS? (1)

themonkeyman (308725) | more than 13 years ago | (#484946)

I ran DNS on NT Server 4.0 in the past. Granted, it was at home on my home network and not in any sort of production, but it worked fairly well for me. So perhaps they are running it on NT instead of unix.

more MS bashing! (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#484953)

geez...is this the most blatant "I hate MS" post in a long time or what?!?

Re:This article is another example... (2)

Schoos (4736) | more than 13 years ago | (#484957)

If you find Windows in either version usefull, then please be happy and use it. Nobody will care about you using both systems, as well as nobody cares about every other guy that just uses Linux or Windows.

Out there are so many OSes, and almost every of them has something that others can't do better, simply because its designed for that. Windows for example has two or three main advantages: first, it's widely spread and therefore a lot of people know how to work with it, and second, it pretends being easy-to-use. (A third advantage is e.g. you can't hack the root acount ;) )

Others have other advantages, and everyone should use that operation system that he thinks is best for the job.

And I find it interesting that the DNS Server of microsoft crashed, interesting in the same way as the hack of www.apache.org (if those guys don't know how to setup a secure webserver, who should know then?), and also as the newsitem about some MS Services like hotmail running Unices, simply because MS's products didn't do the job.

Not down (2)

Alternity (16492) | more than 13 years ago | (#484968)

I am not sure if microsoft's DNS is down or just fscked up. I can't access it by http://www.microsoft.com [microsoft.com] but I can with http://microsoft.com [microsoft.com]


"When I was a little kid my mother told me not to stare into the sun...

Irrelevant (2)

DiSKiLLeR (17651) | more than 13 years ago | (#484970)

No shit this is irrelevant.

But most of the slashdot community these days seems to be composed of 14 year old linux script kiddie hacker wannabies who think this is earth shattering news.

Maybe we need a new website. Posting stories such as "How to haxx0r" and "MS website is down for the 48924th time this week". It will be "News for kiddies. Stuff thats l337."

This will leave slashdot for the real intellects. Who knows, it might just work ...

D

k1dd13z (2)

austad (22163) | more than 13 years ago | (#484974)

I heard they shut down their DNS to prevent evil script kiddies from pounding on their site all day. They figured that kiddies aren't smart enough to find the IP somewhere and use that. Unfortunately for them, they didn't realize that anyone with an MCSE wouldn't be able to figure it out either.

hmm (2)

MrP- (45616) | more than 13 years ago | (#484986)

s14shd0t.org - News for kiddies. Stuff thats l337.

::goes to dotster.com:: :p

Actually (2)

MrP- (45616) | more than 13 years ago | (#484987)

Hotmail.com and MSN.com are working fine. This is just affecting Microsoft.com. So stop saying all the sites are down.

Two Words (2)

ChristianBaekkelund (99069) | more than 13 years ago | (#485008)

ASHERON'S CALL [turbinegames.com] !!!

Agh!...If lose the items on my corpse on HG, I will be quite pissed. BTW, AC servers were taken off line for a bug hotfix. And, like 8hrs. later when they were finally put back up, right then MS's DNS dies!...egh!

Re:This is news? (2)

rosewood (99925) | more than 13 years ago | (#485009)

http://207.46.230.218/ms.htm

This is news? (2)

SClitheroe (132403) | more than 13 years ago | (#485015)

#include obvious MS joke here

But seriously, what's the big deal? Do you really find this so amusing, and sit there snickering to yourself? What if the DNS boxes are actually the rumoured Unix boxes the MS uses? Is it less funny then?

I thought so..

Big laughs (2)

PDHoss (141657) | more than 13 years ago | (#485017)

Ha ha! Microsoft's DNS is down! That never ever happens to anyone else. Those big jerks... they must suck because their DNS is down.

Come on guys... has this never happened to us?

PDHoss


======================================

Anti-Microsoft bigotry? (2)

dazedNconfuzed (154242) | more than 13 years ago | (#485032)

Do you people actually visit microsoft.com?

In case you haven't noticed, Microsoft IS the largest software company with the largest user base, 3rd-party software library, and makes tools used by more developers than any other company. YES WE ACTUALLY VISIT MICROSOFT.COM.

Anti-Microsoft bigotry is cute up to a point. You're way past that point.

Just a bit unfair Rob... (2)

SquadBoy (167263) | more than 13 years ago | (#485038)

"(Well, I guess if you run windows you gotta get your service packs every few minutes ;)" I do apt-get dist-upgrade every couple of days, which is much more often than service packs come out. But then again I do run testing and the Helixcode (Ximian) stuff and when I ran stable I only got stuff every couple of weeks. On second thought maybe it was not unfair. :)

Re:Due to Incompetence (2)

mirko (198274) | more than 13 years ago | (#485044)

What about dns1, dns2, dns3, and possibly dns(x>8) ?
I suppose they might existor why would their names start from 4 ?
--

Wrong... (2)

ranessin (205172) | more than 13 years ago | (#485048)


Your DNS probably has the others cached... They most assuredly are down.

Ranessin

Re:Oh no. (2)

atrowe (209484) | more than 13 years ago | (#485050)

Yes. According to this article [theregister.co.uk] on The Register, the DNS server is down. The webserver is still functioning and can be accessed by entering the IP address into your browser's address bar.

http://207.46.230.218/ [207.46.230.218]

Slashdot goes down regularly??? (2)

somethingwicked (260651) | more than 13 years ago | (#485065)

I thought maybe this was only happening to me, or maybe my local DNS server. It has been at least 5 times this month.

Are other users experiencing this? Think Taco should do a front page post everytime /. goes down for equal treatment

Not down ... (2)

Pogue Mahone (265053) | more than 13 years ago | (#485066)

... just slashdotted ;-)
--

Re:What a WHOIS lookup shows (3)

mansemat (65131) | more than 13 years ago | (#485071)

This has NOTHING to do with the DNS problem.

Anyone can register a server with multiple sub-domains (such as the ones criticizing M$).

You could register a server called microsoft.sucks.slashdot.org and that has nothing to do with Microsoft.com.

The only part that matters is the last two parts.... i.e. slashdot.org.

So why is that post informative? It's idiotic.

DNS, Schmee En Ess.... (3)

ari_j (90255) | more than 13 years ago | (#485073)

This is why I just memorize the IP numbers (in 32-bit hexadecimal format, of course...what's up with all those dots anyhow?) of all the sites I ever go to, and avoid any reliance on DNS at all. It also makes thinking of hostnames for my new boxes a lot less complicated...just name them box3C if its last 8 bits are 3C, for example. Why should anything be any more complicated than that?

HOTMAIL IS DOWN (3)

David Wong (199703) | more than 13 years ago | (#485076)

I haven't been able to access hotmail for the last 11 hours. That's by far the longest outage I've seen in my 3 years of using it, checking it several times a day. I've never seen it down for more than a couple of hours. THIS IS A STORY, GUYS. There are MILLIONS of us Hotmail users.

Due to Incompetence (4)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#485079)

The only reason their site is down is because of engineering incompetence on the first order.

Never ever ever put all of your nameservers on one network segment! How stupid could you be, Microsoft?

What's wrong with this picture?!

DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET. 207.46.138.11
DNS5.CP.MSFT.NET. 207.46.138.12
DNS7.CP.MSFT.NET. 207.46.138.21
DNS6.CP.MSFT.NET. 207.46.138.20

Uh-huh.. (4)

BilldaCat (19181) | more than 13 years ago | (#485082)

and of course Slashdot is the pinnacle of reliability. Wasn't there just an outage yesterday?

This is important! (4)

filrock (71729) | more than 13 years ago | (#485083)

This affects all Microsoft sites. Because of this I can't:

  • Receive my spam via HoTMaiL
  • Read my horoscope on Msn.com
  • ummm... any help?

Welcome to the real world (4)

cloudscout (104011) | more than 13 years ago | (#485085)

Yes, believe it or not, some people actually have paying jobs that require the use of commercial software which often involves visiting the vendors' websites. In case you've been living under a rock since the 70's, Microsoft is a major software vendor with products installed in a majority of companies worldwide. Is it really so strange to think that people might find it significant when Microsoft's sites become unavailable?

Are you serious? Of course your readers go there! (4)

evil_one (142582) | more than 13 years ago | (#485086)

Even your stats indicate that MORE than half of your viewers use Internet Explorer!
The biggest software company, one that prides itself on supposedly "enterprise level" server software has it's DNS down. It dosn't matter if you don't like them or not, many people visit them daily!
I visit them in order to obtain the latest patches for my clients, and to find out if the problem I'm fixing is one that MS is aware of.

I've kept out of it so far, but jeez Taco, don't you think you should try to REDUCE the trolling in your forums?
---

Accounts Payable (4)

peccary (161168) | more than 13 years ago | (#485089)

Did they forget to pay their bill again?

not only microsoft.com (4)

theroge (214016) | more than 13 years ago | (#485091)

The authorative DNS servers (do a whois -h whois.networksolutions.com microsoft.com to find them out) don't know the hostnames so they cannot be looked up.

Also Hotmail and MSN suffer from this.

--
Rogier

SecureDNS (5)

Hawke (1719) | more than 13 years ago | (#485093)

There is a point to this story. It points out how vulnerable DNS still is to cache poisoning. One tiny human mistake and a significant portion of the net can't get to yahoo or microsoft. See your local friendly hacker to find out how to do this deliberately.

SecureDNS (available in bind 9) allows you to sign your zone, so this kind of DNS cache poisoning can not happen. Lets roll it out and use it sooner rather than later.

Details on The Register (5)

beebware (149208) | more than 13 years ago | (#485099)

The Register [theregister.co.uk] has been running this as a story [theregister.co.uk] for the past few hours.

Basically, it appears as if the entire subnet the Microsoft DNS servers were hosted on has just 'disappeared' making microsoft.com, msn.com, hotmail.com, passport.com et al unavailable. Sites hosted on other domains (such as microsoft.co.uk [microsoft.co.uk] are still available). Direct IP addresses are stated in the article if you _have_ to visit Microsoft.com

Microsoft and Yahoo were suffering DNS problems earlier this week [theregister.co.uk] as well, and microsoft new zealand [theregister.co.uk] was recently hacked.

Beebware.com [beebware.com] also has a list of consumer information on Microsoft [beebware.com] , MS Humor [beebware.com] as well as many other categories [beebware.com] about 'that' software company.
Richy C.

This article is another example... (5)

ChaoticCoyote (195677) | more than 13 years ago | (#485102)

...of Slashdot's immature attitude.

I now expect to lose Karma for criticizing Slashdot. Of course, if I cared about Karma, I wouldn't post this response... :)

I run and program both Linux and Win2K; Windows 2000 is quite stable--as many others have pointed out in past postings. My Win2K system runs continuously for weeks at a time, without glitch or problem, despite my use of games and unusual hardware. It might surpise CmdrTaco to know that quite a few "nerds" think that Windows matters.

I find many reasons to visit Microsoft's web site: to pick up development kits, to read articles, and for the excellent knowledge base that Linux can only dream of emulating. Win2K has bugs, but so does Linux. I suggest Slashdot spend less time making snide comment about MS, and work on fixing the leaks in its own ship of state. Linux ain't perfect, ya know.


--
Scott Robert Ladd
Master of Complexity
Destroyer of Order and Chaos

Huh? It matters immensely (5)

Ergo2000 (203269) | more than 13 years ago | (#485103)

Just this sort of thing happened the other day where an ISP released DNS entries for yahoo.com, and some other sites, uh...accidentally. The problem is that people don't talk to the authoratative DNS servers : They just trust anyone. This is leading to all sorts of shit and I'm sure after the ruckous about that guy overriding commercial sites DNS entries some script kiddies got some ideas. THIS CAN HAPPEN TO ANY SITE, INCLUDING SLASHDOT. To think this isn't news is just bizarre. It isn't that MS' DNS server was hacked : Rather DNS is showing it's cracks and they are absolutely massive. What if someone redirected a banks page to a dupe that logged everyones login info? Of course theoretically SSL ties a site to an IP, but most people ignore little warnings like that.

On another note I go to microsoft.com all the time in fact (though usually msdn.microsoft.com). Excellent site. In fact I believe it's among the top 3 most visited sites on the planet, so to proclaim it not to matter seems rather goofy.

Flamebait (5)

Metal Machine Music (255620) | more than 13 years ago | (#485105)

I don't normally respond to illiterate flamebait, but in this case I'll make an exception:

> Everybody and there brother

I'll just pick this up before someone else does.

'There'!= 'their', the possessive pronoun Taco is looking for.

> has submitted what has to be the least interesting story in months. Microsoft's DNS server is down.

Ok fine. End of story. No need for irrelevant flamebait designed to get thousands of posts about how Windows/Linux sucks.

Let's address the news: MS' dns is down.

Ok wow. Have you been to uptime.netcraft.com [netcraft.com] ? I think you'll find *all* servers go down, especially ones under the consistently heavy load of ddos, millions of hits a day, etc like MS. Redhat goes down, MS goes down, big wow. Every big site goes down more often than a presedential intern on heat. Ok. [It's just that people don't gloat when Linux companies go down, probably because they aren't successful like MS so people aren't jealous of their success.]

> I haven't visited their web site in months and I don't care in the slightest, but if I don't post this, I'm going to spend the next 48 hours deleting 2,000 submissions about it as zillions of people somehow think that this matters.

It does to the millions of daily visitors, yes.

> Yup. Its down. Ye haw. Do you people actually visit microsoft.com?

It's actually in the top 10 of most visited websites in the world. It has free software, updates, one of the best developers' sites anywhere, etc..

> I can't remember the last time I intentionally went to that site. There's just no need.

You might as well say you have no need to upgrade Slashcode when that gets holes in it. If you use Windows there is a need, because all software is insecure and Windows is no exception. It's no different with Linux. It's not just that either. Microsoft's website has a whole bunch of other interesting and free stuff there too. In fact, Microsoft's site became, in about 1997 (I remember reading) the largest website in the world, with several terabytes of content. So yes, there is a need.

If you actually took your blinkers off you might realize that - I don't just crap about Linux like you seem to about Windows. I haven't got an irrational fear/jealousy about Linux.

Hell I use linux. I install and maintain it as a web server. And I don't say that no-one needs to visit redhat.com, even though it's clearly not as good a site.

> (Well, I guess if you run windows you gotta get your service packs every few minutes ;)

Nice casual aside there, guaranteed to pick up a few hundred replies. Nice one. But it's not true.

There is *one* service pack for Windows 2000 since release.

Let's look at the Linux equivalent shall we?

Have you ever tried installing Redhat?

I have, and I spent 3 hours downloading things from http://updates.redhat.com [redhat.com] and upgrading them.

This stuff about Windows needing service packs often is bull. Linux has far more service packs, because Microsft updates things all at once whereas with Linux you have to update individually.

Hell my grandmother could install a Windows service pack, but I can't see her upgrading bind when a security hole's found in that.

I don't mean to respond in such flameish terms, but I had no choice in this case. In one breath you say the story sucks, and then you throw in some highly childish and unprofessional insults against a site which represents a considerable portion of many people's lives.

We keep hearing from you how Slashdot is becoming the newspaper for the new millennium, how people are taking notice of it, and how it ranks alongside traditional media, but if you expect the kind of respect this implies, you are going to:

(a) learn how to spell. I'm not normally a spelling flamer (i.e. not for posters), but how can you expect people to take the site seriously when you can't even be bothered to read the post twice or put it through a spellchecker to find that 'its' is a possessive pronoun, whereas 'it's' is the contraction of 'it is' you where looking for.

(b) you're going to have to learn about journalistic standards. If you expect to be taken seriously, you can't write like that - you can't show such prejudice, and you can't show such a casual dismissal of America's biggest company.

You're not just a Perl hacker sitting around eating pizza and drinking Mountain Dew any more Rob - you're responsible for an important and valuable institution, and it's time you behaved like it.
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