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The Physics of Wine Swirling

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the just-drink-it dept.

Wine 98

sciencehabit writes "Meet the new flavor of wine: fruity with a hint of fluid dynamics. Oenophiles have long gotten the best out of their reds by giving their glasses a swirl before sipping. A new study has revealed the physics behind that sloshing, showing that three factors may determine whether your merlot arcs smoothly or starts to splash. The researchers also landed on another important discovery: how overly enthusiastic wine swirlers manage to splash their drinks, possibly staining their sweaters."

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Before you make fun... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38152610)

Before the inevitable ridicule, the reason the wine is swirled is to get the aroma into the air inside the glass, enhancing flavor perception. As an analogy imagine taking a shit. You plop one, it stinks real bad for a while but then it gets better. Then you drop another, this stirs up the water and brings the stink back again for a bit.

Re:Before you make fun... (2, Funny)

ddxexex (1664191) | more than 2 years ago | (#38152678)

Sorry, this is slashdot. Only car analogies work here. :P Anyone have the car analogy?

Re:Before you make fun... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38152738)

Sorry, this is slashdot. Only car analogies work here. :P Anyone have the car analogy?

Hm... okay. Imagine you've taken a shit in your car....

Re:Before you make fun... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38153040)

Who needs to imagine?

When Beowulf was written, they used carts...... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38155642)

Imagine, if you will, when they rode behind Carts drawn by wild she-asses that pull so-fast that if they shat then it would fly in your face if not for the hellmut and shield to deflect it should yor whip fail to lash it into a fine mist.

Re:Before you make fun... (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 2 years ago | (#38155578)

Sorry, this is slashdot. Only car analogies work here. :P Anyone have the car analogy?

Hm... okay. Imagine you've taken a shit in your car....

Taking a shit in a piece of shit is a little redundant isn't it!?

Re:Before you make fun... (0)

alamandrax (692121) | more than 2 years ago | (#38152764)

As an analogy, imagine taking a shit in a car. You plop one, it stinks real bad for a while and it gets better. Then you drop another, this slides across the leather seats and brings the stink back again for a bit.

Re:Before you make fun... (5, Funny)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#38152786)

Sorry, this is slashdot. Only car analogies work here. :P Anyone have the car analogy?

When huffing gasoline, you should gently swirl the container to maximize the bouquet without spilling.

Re:Before you make fun... (-1, Troll)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 2 years ago | (#38152716)

Before the inevitable ridicule, the reason the wine is swirled is to get the aroma into the air inside the glass, enhancing flavor perception. As an analogy imagine taking a shit. You plop one, it stinks real bad for a while but then it gets better. Then you drop another, this stirs up the water and brings the stink back again for a bit.

Doesn't change the facts:

Wine snobs suck.
The movie Sideways sucks.
Wine snobs are just closet alcoholics.
Wine snobbery comes with oaky notes and hints of bullshit.

Re:Before you make fun... (5, Interesting)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 2 years ago | (#38153026)

That's a pile of horseshit (though yes, the movie Sideways does suck).

People get all geeked out over all kinds of subjects, and there is no reason for wine geekery to be a less valid form of geekery than, say, smartphone geekery or movie geekery.

I'm a wine geek. I like tasting different wines, identifying what flavors are present and the compounds responsible for those flavors. I like appreciating the difference between a young wine vs. a mature wine due to oxidation in the bottle. I enjoy discussing the characteristics of the wine I'm sharing with friends or family, I enjoy the hunt for a bargain good wine. I delight in understanding the relationships between terroir, grape varietal, cultivation methods, and the flavors of wine. Winemaking is science wrought as art.

To sum up -- you suck for being a bitter, xenophobic geek. Not understanding another form of geekery is not a valid reason to belittle it.

Re:Before you make fun... (4, Informative)

DanTheManMS (1039636) | more than 2 years ago | (#38153406)

Obligatory XKCD link. #915: Connoisseur [xkcd.com]

Re:Before you make fun... (0)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#38155862)

Character 1) *Stupid, baseless shit*
Character 2) You're exaggerating!
Character 1) Oh, really?
Writer) *Repeats stupid, baseless shit*
Reader) Oh, the writer said it twice, in two different ways? It must be true!

That comic is terrible, and if you think he's making a good point, you're a sucker. XKCD has good comics. That is not one of them. It supports willful ignorance, which is never a good thing. I'd expect anyone geeky enough to read xkcd to be smart enough to know that quality really does vary from one object to another.

Is Twilight as good as Lord of the Rings?
Is Will Smith's I, Robot as good as Blade Runner?
Is Ke$ha as good as [insert top artist from your genre of choice]?
Are spaghetti-o's as good as an actual pasta dinner?
Is a microwaved gas station burrito as good as authentic Mexican?

Quality is real. Trying to be "above" quality, like you're too cool to have an opinion on beers or wines or foods, just makes you dull and ignorant. It's okay to have a preference. It doesn't make you a snob.

Re:Before you make fun... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38156456)

Is Twilight as good as Lord of the Rings?
Is Will Smith's I, Robot as good as Blade Runner?
Is Ke$ha as good as [insert top artist from your genre of choice]?
Are spaghetti-o's as good as an actual pasta dinner?
Is a microwaved gas station burrito as good as authentic Mexican?

it's simple preference. you could find someone that would answer "yes" to each of those questions. preferring what you perceive as better doesn't make you a snob, what makes you snob is talking down to people who prefer those things that you feel are inferior.

i drink $3 bottles of wine and think they taste alright, if you come up and tell me i have no clue about good wine, i'll punch you in your snobby face.

Re:Before you make fun... (1)

dargaud (518470) | more than 2 years ago | (#38157756)

You miss his point. It's not that some people think that Twilight is better than Lord of the Rings. It's that for people who only know Twilight, they will have their own hierarchy of which episode is better than the others. As for punching his snobby face, have a drink and cool off.

Re:Before you make fun... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38156524)

He said "can't tell the difference", not "is not better than". I can't tell the difference between this minor national beer, and a extremely local craft beer. That doesn't mean there's no difference, it just means I haven't taken the time to learn the difference (or to get over my gag reaction to the taste of beer).

Re:Before you make fun... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38157320)

Seconded: I have a very rich uncle, and he is a fan of always bringing the best wines of the world and not telling us until we're done with them.
I can't stand that shit. And by shit I mean wine. It all tastes the same: Rotten stinking grapes with alcohol.

I bet everything I have that the only reason wine was invented in the first place, is because somebody served way too old grape juice to some poor suckers, and they couldn't stand it, but wanted to stay friendly. And afterwards they noticed they got drunk and liked it so much that it was worth the nasty taste.
Then it went down like with lobster: It was seen as the cheapest of the cheapest waste, but they could sell it to rich idiots from the city for loads of money, by telling them their rotten grapes are oh so special. LOL
Those idiots then went, and bragged to the whole world about it, until everyone thought, to be cool he would have to act like he liked it and was a "connoisseur".
Same thing as with cigarettes, beer, caviar, olives, lutefisk, etc. It's all disgusting, but social conditioning tells us it's good and you're cool if you like it.

Well, I, for one, think you're the biggest loser if you believe you like it. Cause in reality, even when you don't know it, you don't.

Re:Before you make fun... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38166208)

I hate this subpar comic strip that every geek seems to love. Every time I see it linked, I intend to followup with an "obligatory" link to a Garfield or Cathy strip in retaliation.

Re:Before you make fun... (2)

snowgirl (978879) | more than 2 years ago | (#38153658)

'You Are Not So Smart': Why We Can't Tell Good Wine From Bad [theatlantic.com]

Not saying that I know definitively that you can't, but a lot of people think that they can, but actually can't. Even when they've been studying it at University.

Re:Before you make fun... (2)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 2 years ago | (#38155804)

it would be more accurate to say that very inexpensive wines can be found that have the balanced and complex tastes of the very expensive. I'm always happy to find $6 or $11 wines that can rival the $80 a bottle, since I'm married with children the budget isn't there for the latter.

Re:Before you make fun... (2)

fatphil (181876) | more than 2 years ago | (#38157564)

I love the thesis he's presenting, but that study is flawed in several ways. It confuses what they sense, and what they *claim* they sense. The claims are obviously bullshit, but that doesn't mean the sensory side is incapable of detecting differences. It's a psychology test, not a physiology one.

I'm a beer taster, much of my spare time is devoted to beer. I hang around with a lot of people who share the same hobby. It is absolutely impossible to pigeon-hole them all together. Some are very insightful, and I always like hearing their views, yet others are clearly full of crap who would be exposed to a double-blind test instantly. I obviously rate myself above average in this field - but that's because I *do* go out of my way to set up double-blind tests - and I'll have the beer multiple times, sometimes years apart, recording scores and descriptions each time, and my rating of a beer is very often identical. (I have a memory like a sieve, there's no way I could recall what I've written in the past.)

I'm prepared to believe there's the same level of variation in wine tasters, and that pigeon-holing them is sloppy. Which of course doesn't counter the argument that a fair proportion of people involved in the wine world are full of crap. It's probably a minority but certainly a very visible minority, as I suspect that the ones most in the public eye are the worst offenders. I'd trust the sommelier at my local big hotel's restaurant much more than I'd trust any of the wine journalists I've seen in newspapers, certainly. (Partly because it's interactive - I can probe him and see if he responds to the right stimuli.)

Re:Before you make fun... (1)

sribe (304414) | more than 2 years ago | (#38153910)

That's a pile of horseshit (though yes, the movie Sideways does suck).

There's a big difference between a geek and a snob. I know more about wine (and have a lot more cellared) than the few wine snobs I've met. I just listen, and nod, and never disagree ;-)

Re:Before you make fun... (1)

fatphil (181876) | more than 2 years ago | (#38157638)

You either have incredible patience! I'm quite the opposite, I think I always disagree if I hear nonsense being spouted (my field's beer, rather than wine). And by heck, if you were at a beer tasting that I'd organised I'd damn well want you to disagree if you thought I was hallucinating about something!

Re:Before you make fun... (1)

sribe (304414) | more than 2 years ago | (#38157996)

You either have incredible patience!

It's no so much patience as cynicism; some personalities are just hopeless, and I don't want to waste effort on them.

Re:Before you make fun... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38154972)

I'm happy for you to do all those things. The problem arises when you insist on telling me about it. It's easy to find out if I'm interested in what you're dying to tell me. If you ask me what the wine was like, and I say 'good', then I'm not interested. (I'm not too interested in steam trains or knitting patterns either, thanks).

I know verbing wierds language (1)

tinkerton (199273) | more than 2 years ago | (#38156258)

but any subject can be geeked. Or geekified. I've done the wine geek bit - thoroughly, and the hifi geek bit and other things. It's fun. It's fascinating how a subject can be so boring for one person and interesting for somebody else. Part of it is a skill: can you take any subject and make it interesting for you.

Re:Before you make fun... (5, Insightful)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 2 years ago | (#38152948)

Developing the nose of the wine is one reason to swirl the wine, albeit a very small one.

The real reason to swirl is if the wine hasn't been aerated sufficiently. Red wines in particular (to varying degree depending on varietal, age, etc) have a high concentration of tannins, which are responsible for the astringency of the wine. Aeration of the wine will oxidize the tannins, reducing their astringency.

Aeration will also mellow the other flavors via oxidation. I have found that a lot of people who say "I only like white wine" are actually just not a fan of the tannins in red wine. Proper aeration after uncorking often results in them liking red wines, especially if I choose a fruitier varietal.

Good wine snobs will test the nose of the wine (e.g., sniff it), then taste it. If it's too astringent to properly enjoy, they'll either let the glass sit for a while, or swirl the glass to aerate the wine.

Re:Before you make fun... (5, Informative)

snowgirl (978879) | more than 2 years ago | (#38153678)

Aeration will also mellow the other flavors via oxidation. I have found that a lot of people who say "I only like white wine" are actually just not a fan of the tannins in red wine. Proper aeration after uncorking often results in them liking red wines, especially if I choose a fruitier varietal.

I know that I've started enjoying Red Wines a lot more since I learned that you have to let it aerate. Opening a bottle of red wine about 30 mins before I intend to drink it makes the red wine taste a lot better.

Re:Before you make fun... (2)

fatphil (181876) | more than 2 years ago | (#38157232)

If you open a bottle of wine and let is stand for half an hour, you will affect about the top 2mm at the surface.

I was at a dinner party where your claim was made, and an industrial chemist pounced on the claim, proceeding to scribble half a dozen formulae, and do some quick calculations. There is vastly more aeration from pouring than from even hours of standing.

Do a double-blind test to compare. Include a third sample that's been poured into a decanter, and then poured out again.

You're probably enjoying the wine more due to the anticipation.

Re:Before you make fun... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38163914)

If you open a bottle of wine and let is stand for half an hour, you will affect about the top 2mm at the surface.

I was at a dinner party where your claim was made, and an industrial chemist pounced on the claim, proceeding to scribble half a dozen formulae, and do some quick calculations. There is vastly more aeration from pouring than from even hours of standing.

Do a double-blind test to compare. Include a third sample that's been poured into a decanter, and then poured out again.

You're probably enjoying the wine more due to the anticipation.

aerating it is not done by opening it, this only affects the surface, what you should do is decant it, ie pour the bottle out into another container, such as a decanter. This is much more effective in aerating the wine. Letting it sit there at room temperature for a while doesn't hurt.

What you may find surprising is the glass makes a huge difference, try drinking the same wine from a big bowled glass, a champagne flute and a martini glass, you may be amazed at the difference, I know I was. Its all to do with the volume of air above the wine and the role of smell in tasting

Re:Before you make fun... (1)

migla (1099771) | more than 2 years ago | (#38168788)

If I took out a bottle of red wine and couldn't start drinking it for 30 minutes, it would taste better than if I'd immediately poured a glass, regardless of whether it was opened or not.

Re:Before you make fun... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38153982)

But I don't know what "astringent" tastes like!

Re:Before you make fun... (5, Funny)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#38155120)

Good wine snobs will test the nose of the wine (e.g., sniff it), then taste it. If it's too astringent to properly enjoy, they'll either let the glass sit for a while, or swirl the glass to aerate the wine.

I just blow bubbles through my straw. Does that make me a good or bad wine snob?

Re:Before you make fun... (1)

dargaud (518470) | more than 2 years ago | (#38157772)

When a white wine is too young and leaves sharp bubbles in the mouth, I usually agitate it with a teaspoon for a while, the the horror of wine snobs. Makes it much mellower in a matter of seconds though...

Re:Before you make fun... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38155674)

Nope. Wrong. The oxidative process doesn't happen that fast. Imagine how fast an apple turns brown after you take a bite...slowly. The wine will not oxidize in a meaningful timeframe after a single swirl or two. Tannin astringency, etc., will all be relatively unchanged. That swirl WILL however help the bouquet lift out of the liquid, for your enjoyment. That's not to say that aeration doesn't have a role... It's just not during the swirl.

Re:Before you make fun... (1)

Blue Stone (582566) | more than 2 years ago | (#38159190)

Best way to aerate a red wine is to open the bottle, and instead of letting it sit there "breathing" (like the poncey wine buffs tell you) just put your thumb (securely) over the top and shake the fucker. Take your thumb off, then put it back on and shake it again.

Also, pouring it so it bubbles, rather than pouring it smoothly, helps.

No need to wait.
 

Re:Before you make fun... (2)

bobaferret (513897) | more than 2 years ago | (#38153008)

Also as an FYI the other reason to swirl is to observe the viscosity of the rivulets of wine running down the glass after you've stopped swirling. The slower and fatter the rivulets the more sugar still remains in the wine. ie. it's stickier so it moves more slowly. Or to put it in car analogies... When you change your oil and you take the old stuff and swirl it around in a bucket the more use the oil the more it will effect how it sticks to the side of the bucket. The longer the wine has sat around, the more sugars are converted and the less viscous the wine. As for the bouquet if it smells anything like a car, it's bad, except maybe that Bordeaux scented air fresher or the breathalyzer you have to blow into to get it started after one too many DUIs.

Re:Before you make fun... (1)

Xoltri (1052470) | more than 2 years ago | (#38153334)

If you want to know how much sugar is left in the wine just use a hydrometer. Plus, I believe the effect you are describing is what most people call the 'legs' of the wine, which is just a property that a mixture of ethanol and water have when mixed and has nothing to do with quality or sugar content of wine.

Re:Before you make fun... (1)

bobaferret (513897) | more than 2 years ago | (#38153622)

But isn't the sugar turned into ethanol, thus giving it its legs? I'm more than will to be wrong, but that was my understanding. And as far as a hydrometer is concerned, I rarely bring them to tastings. Folks seem to frown on bringing chemistry equipment to haughty affairs.

Re:Before you make fun... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38155884)

The sweetness of the wine has nothing to do with its legs. Yes, heavier wines to tend to have "slower" legs. That's more a byproduct of its alcohol content though. This can be seen by comparing a moscato to a port. A good moscato d'asti might be 9% ABV whereas a port will be around 20%. The moscato will seem way lighter in the glass, even though it most likely contains more sugar. That's the alcohol content showing through.

Re:Before you make fun... (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 2 years ago | (#38158854)

But isn't the sugar turned into ethanol, thus giving it its legs? I'm more than will to be wrong, but that was my understanding. And as far as a hydrometer is concerned, I rarely bring them to tastings. Folks seem to frown on bringing chemistry equipment to haughty affairs.

Not all of it.

Yeast used in brewing die around 5-7% alcohol (basically, from alcohol poisoning). It's why spirits and liquor are distilled. It's very possible to still have leftover sugar after the yeast dies. It's also possible to run out of sugar. It's one of those things that makes wine unique every batch.

Re:Before you make fun... (2)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 2 years ago | (#38153752)

Also as an FYI the other reason to swirl is to observe the viscosity of the rivulets of wine running down the glass after you've stopped swirling. The slower and fatter the rivulets the more sugar still remains in the wine. ie. it's stickier so it moves more slowly.

Not quite. That phenomena is known as the 'legs of wine' or 'tears of wine [wikipedia.org]', and it's related to the wine's alcohol content not it's sugar content.

Re:Before you make fun... (1)

Atzanteol (99067) | more than 2 years ago | (#38154184)

Making wine is a process of turning sugars into alcohol. You can't discuss the one without the other. It's as if you said "frequency of light has nothing to do with wavelength."

Re:Before you make fun... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38154284)

In both cases they are related, but you can't necessarily get one from the other alone. You can't get the remaining sugar content from the alcohol content unless you know the original starting sugar amount. Likewise, you can't get wavelength from frequency, unless you know the speed of light within the medium the light is travelling.

Re:Before you make fun... (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 2 years ago | (#38158148)

In this case, no. The presence or absence of sugar is irrelevant to the formation of 'tears'.

Re:Before you make fun... (1)

fatphil (181876) | more than 2 years ago | (#38157282)

Not quite. The tears are condensed vapours. They have a different composition from the wine itself, as the different components have different volatilities. He specifically wanted to view the viscosity of the liquid itself, and for that, looking at the viscosity of condensed vapours would be useless.

Re:Before you make fun... (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 2 years ago | (#38158162)

Since the tears aren't condensed vapors, you're wrong.

Re:Before you make fun... (1)

fatphil (181876) | more than 2 years ago | (#38158404)

Quite the opposite, it appears, you're right. However, they are not the same proportions of water/alcohol as the body of the wine, so my earlier point stands - looking at the tears is different from looking at the liquid as swirled.

Re:Before you make fun... (1)

wahini (559380) | more than 2 years ago | (#38155338)

You are basically right, although it is directly the amount of alcohol in the wine creating the legs, which reflects the percentage of sugar which has been converted to wine. Sometimes they add alcohol or more sugar to create a higher alcohol content in the wine, so a sweet wine could have a high alcohol content as a result, but traditionally a wine with more alcohol has less sugar content, because that is needed to create the alcohol unless the wine is fortified with alcohol.

Re:Before you make fun... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38153592)

I don't think your analogy is helping with the inevitable ridicule...

Re:Before you make fun... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38155330)

You plop one, it stinks real bad for a while but then it gets better. Then you drop another, this stirs up the water and brings the stink back again for a bit.

So help me out here... Is the wine the toilet water or the turd in your analogy?

Re:Before you make fun... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38156140)

Let me guess, you're American.

Oh boy! Wine people. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38152672)

All you gotta do is pour something the size of a hailstone into the glass. Best paired with things that taste like chicken. For desert, gourmet chocolate that has just a hint of wine taste in it.

that's nice, but.... (5, Funny)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 2 years ago | (#38152736)

I've found that drinking wine directly from the bottle makes all of this irrelevant.

Re:that's nice, but.... (5, Insightful)

Burdell (228580) | more than 2 years ago | (#38152828)

Don't you mean box?

Re:that's nice, but.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38153048)

I hear two buck chuck comes in a bottle

Re:that's nice, but.... (1)

bdwebb (985489) | more than 2 years ago | (#38153220)

Don't you mean box?

Not when you're drinking from the gallon size Carlo Rossi bottle for $8. :)

Re:that's nice, but.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38155096)

Watch your back..I hung out with him one night about 12 years ago. It was going great then all of a sudden I woke up in a pitch
black (windowless) room filled with pokey drum equipment. Somehow I had made my way into a neighbor's house and passed
out in said room. Found my wallet, keys, jacket, and shoes in the bushes across the street the next day.

Carlo Rossi, what a rascal!

Re:that's nice, but.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38152960)

Except it still sploshes all over your tuxedo when you fall down.

Re:that's nice, but.... (2)

Kreigaffe (765218) | more than 2 years ago | (#38153892)

My liverspots for a mod point.

Look, wine snobs, you're all doing it wrong. Wine comes in a perfectly sized bottle with a neck sized perfectly for grasping in your hamfists. It comes with a cork stopper to replace, so that as you bob and weave your way across the room and back, your beverage doesn't slosh out -- and further, it's not carbonated, so all that sloshing doesn't result in a messy explosion.

The stuff is made to drink by the bottle, from the bottle. I just can't fathom how so many people fail to understand and appreciate this fact.

To avoid splash.. (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#38152762)

1. Place wine glass on flat surface
2. Fill wine glass 1/3 full.
3. While making sure the bottom of the glass never leaves the surface, swirl the glass.
4. ????????
5. Profit (get drunk)

Re:To avoid splash.. (1)

RivenAleem (1590553) | more than 2 years ago | (#38157142)

You can, if you try hard enough, get anywhere between 120 and 200 rpm even higher short term spikes if you get a good rhythm going, all while remaining on a flat surface.

No, what you need to do, is pour your wine through a tea strainer/sieve thus aerating like a watering can/shower-head.

Also, blowing bubbles through it with a straw, using a whisk or simply pouring it from glass to glass from a height also works.

Way off topic... getting started with LAMP (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38152770)

Yeah, this is off topic, but when dealing with such a meaningless story, I figure I cannot do any more harm

I am interested in learning about coding in a LAMP environment. My thought is I'd like to find a hosting partner (low cost) that has the infrastructure already. I want to do some of the configuration, and get started coding a PHP hello world, then work up to some more advanced topics involving mysql database access.

1) Who would be a good hosting partner for this? Not looking for free, but not looking to spend $100/month either.
2) Any good tutorials for basic configuration, sercurity considerations? PHP tutorials?

Re:Way off topic... getting started with LAMP (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 2 years ago | (#38152782)

Yeah, this is off topic, but when dealing with such a meaningless story, I figure I cannot do any more harm

I am interested in learning about coding in a LAMP environment. My thought is I'd like to find a hosting partner (low cost) that has the infrastructure already. I want to do some of the configuration, and get started coding a PHP hello world, then work up to some more advanced topics involving mysql database access.

1) Who would be a good hosting partner for this? Not looking for free, but not looking to spend $100/month either.
2) Any good tutorials for basic configuration, sercurity considerations? PHP tutorials?

Set it up yourself in a VM, then when you're ready to make it actually do shit, export it to Amazon C3 or whatever they call it now.

Re:Way off topic... getting started with LAMP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38153594)

  1. Download a VM like Virtalbox [virtualbox.org].
  2. Download Puppy Linux .iso [puppylinux.org]
  3. Install Puppy Linux in Virtalbox. 4 gig dynamic drive with 128 megs of RAM will suffice.
  4. Inside puppy download and install the pet package Hiawatha [ibiblio.org]
  5. Setup FTP inside your home directory (I think it's called setup file sharing)
  6. Set your network in Puppy to a static IP and set Virtualbox to use a bridged adapter for the puppy install.
  7. Use Notepad++ [notepad-plus-plus.org], Filezilla [filezilla-project.org] in windows to FTP into your virtual box to update files.

That's close to a LAMP server. I don't think technically using Puppy/Hiawatha would be LAMP. But I believe Hiawatha serves the same function as Apache and I think would suit your purpose. if you're just interested in the PHP part you can also just install XAMPP [apachefriends.org].

The thing I like about the Virtualbox (or any VM) is you can wipe it out easily. You can move it to different computers. It's easy to play around with FTP and SSH settings.
There are tons of ways to do this without getting a host if you're just looking to learn. If you really want a host most have LAMP options. For many it is even the default. For tutorials I think W3 Schools [w3schools.com] is good starting point and has examples.

*All suggestions are debatable. When making these suggestions I considered using low resources and ease of use. Given more resources to give to the Virtual box you have tons [distrowatch.com] and tons [google.com] of choices.

"Centrifugal force" (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38152900)

I stopped reading when the article cited centrifugal force. Really?

Re:"Centrifugal force" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38153062)

oy! the 'F' word of physics

Re:"Centrifugal force" (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38153132)

http://xkcd.com/123/

Re:"Centrifugal force" (3, Insightful)

alex67500 (1609333) | more than 2 years ago | (#38154412)

November 23rd, 2011. This is the day xkcd replaced wikipedia as the central source of knowledge :-)

Re:"Centrifugal force" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38153182)

In a rotating frame of reference, newtons laws apply if you add in some correctional terms. among these are a centrifugal force and a coriolis force

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictitious_force

Re:"Centrifugal force" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38153246)

In a rotating reference frame, Newton's laws of motion imply that some douchebag will bitch about "centrifugal force." Luckily these douchebags become vanishingly small in inertial frames, otherwise we'd be listening to their bitching constantly.

IgNobel Prize in Physics? (1)

ClickOnThis (137803) | more than 2 years ago | (#38153092)

These guys deserve at least an honorable mention at the next IgNobel ceremony.

Re:IgNobel Prize in Physics? (1)

hawk (1151) | more than 2 years ago | (#38155290)

Someone actuall published a peer-revieWed article someithing like 10 years ago using med lab equipment to do controlled aeration, Nd then double-blind texting.

I forget the results; my main relation was, "why didn't I write that article."

hawk

Swine Whirling (3, Funny)

Stoutlimb (143245) | more than 2 years ago | (#38154014)

For some reason I accidentally read the title as "The Physics of Swine Whirling"

Angry Pigs! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38155792)

Those wine snobs are stealing our fertilizer! Get them!

Re:Swine Whirling (1)

vikingpower (768921) | more than 2 years ago | (#38157392)

I read: Wine Sign Whirl Which is the negative-red vorticoidal thing you see in your bath tub when you vomit into it on coming home after that w(h)ine tasting party

Wine Swirling the Intellectual Ventures way (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38154696)

Try "hyperdecanting" your wine:

http://modernistcuisine.com/2011/09/how-to-hyperdecant-your-wine/

You're all missing something: it's fun (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38155050)

Yeah, it helps to aerate the wine to improve the taste, it makes it easier to sniff the aroma. But fundamentally it's fun.

And it looks cool.

Drinking liquor is sinful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38155210)

Drinking liquor leads you to hell! Repent! Submit to the Almighty and all you sins will be forgiven!

Re:Drinking liquor is sinful (1)

vikingpower (768921) | more than 2 years ago | (#38157398)

All you sins ? Hm. I did not know that sins could be adressed as if they were a public ?

Re:Drinking liquor is sinful (1)

vikingpower (768921) | more than 2 years ago | (#38157432)

Although.... hmmm. You may be right. "Wine tasting party" is an anagram of "Satan typewriting". Hmm.

shaken but not stirred, wine vintage 1.3.3 (2)

Teeroy32 (2512400) | more than 2 years ago | (#38156026)

So do I have to swirl my computer around to get wine at its best, that must be why I can't get COD to install on ubuntu. LOL
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