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3-Way Price War On Black Friday: iPad, Nook, and Kindle

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the bunch-of-exploiters dept.

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destinyland writes "Black Friday has touched off a three-way price war between Apple, Amazon, and Barnes and Noble. Kobo readers dropped their price to just $99 to compete with the Nook, only to discover that Barnes and Noble was lowering the price on their touchscreen Nooks to $79, to compete with the new $79 Kindle from Amazon. And meanwhile, Apple has announced aggressive pricing on all Apple products for Black Friday, reportedly including $100 off on MacBook and iMac products, and a $61 discount on the iPad 2."

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Price War? (5, Insightful)

BLT2112 (1372873) | more than 2 years ago | (#38159714)

So this still leaves the iPad2 a few hundred dollars more expensive, right?

Re:Price War? (5, Funny)

nomadic (141991) | more than 2 years ago | (#38159796)

You're not just buying a tablet, my friend, you're buying a lifestyle. The ipad is a bargain if you think about it like that; buy it and you're the kind of person who knows obscure indie bands, is comfortable hanging out in coffee shops just being chill, where strangers will invite you to gallery openings and private parties attended by other good-looking, creative individuals who also have the good taste to buy apple products. You will probably get a job offer by an independent film company, high-end advertising agency, or chic start-up right after buying it, and then you will be able to afford that high-end condo in San Francisco. Just make sure after you get it to come back to slashdot and respond to every anti-Apple post with anguished hostility.

Re:Price War? (-1, Redundant)

WillyWanker (1502057) | more than 2 years ago | (#38159830)

"You're not just buying a tablet, my friend, you're buying into a cult. The ipad is a bargain if you think about it like that..."

Fixed that for you.

Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na leader! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38159844)

Oh wait, leader died.

Re:Price War? (4, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160088)

You're not just buying a tablet, my friend, you're buying into a cult. The ipad is a bargain if you think about it like that...

Totally missed the irony for you.

Fixed your "fix".

Re:Price War? (0, Troll)

WillyWanker (1502057) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160370)

It wasn't missed, I was just spicing it up a bit :)

Re:Price War? (4, Funny)

Fuzzums (250400) | more than 2 years ago | (#38159858)

At least there is SOMETHING cheap when it comes to apple products.
That is the jokes about their products.

Wait. My apologies. That was cheap :)

Funny - yes - but true (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38159912)

Guys; the above, although funny, is exactly the business and marketing explanation for Apple products. Another example of this marketing a "lifestyle" is Harley Davidson Motorcycles. I'm just surprised Apple hasn't gotten into logo'd apparel yet.

Saint Steven Jobs was the greatest salesmen and marketer that has ever existed. And I'd dare say, St. Jobs will be the best that will ever be.

All the sex... (1)

arcite (661011) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160124)

...will quickly make up for the several hundred dollar difference. Nook owners ain't gettin no nookie!

Re:All the sex... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38160414)

With several hundered dollars, the nook owners can afford sex. iPhad owners won't even have enough left for an ice cream date.

Re:Price War? (5, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160148)

Just make sure after you get it to come back to slashdot and respond to every anti-Apple post with anguished hostility.

Or, you know, you could try one and have an informed position instead of just mindlessly slagging the product every time it's mentioned.

My manager just bought his son's, because it wasn't compatible with the stuff he needed to do at school (Windows only class stuff). In a week he went from "meh, who cares" to "wow, I love this thing".

Maybe people like them because they find them extremely useful?

So far, mine hasn't led to the glamorous lifestyle you seem to suggest ... but I'm old, fat, and un-hip, so that wasn't ever going to happen anyway.

But for business trips and being stuck on an airplane, it's an exceedingly useful thing. I can actually read my email from the airport wifi, and watch a movie on a screen much better than the one in the plane. Throw in eBooks, games, and a couple of other things, and I haven't used my laptop on a business trip in the last 7 trips I've made. Despite claims to the contrary, a netbook would not fill the same niche because it's still a clamshell with a keyboard. My iPad is about the size of a book.

Go to the lobby bar of a hotel in a business district, and count the number of people with iPads ... and then look at them and see if you think they're hipsters who have these things for fashion purposes.

I haven't used one, but I suspect what I say is true of any tablet ... it really is a nice form-factor.

Re:Price War? (0)

peted56 (1842988) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160362)

Oh the irony!!!

Re:Price War? (4, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160474)

Oh the irony!!!

Well, since there's neither anguish nor hostility, not so much with the irony.

But seeing people on Slashdot mindlessly say "Apple is teh suxor" is about as intelligent as saying it about Microsoft or Linux without having used them ... it's generally an uninformed opinion based on what people think they know as opposed to anything factual.

But, hey, all Linux fanboys are smelly virgins who live in their mom's basement, and all Windows fanboys must be corporate shills who don't know better ... right?

Or we could act like adults.

Re:Price War? (0)

fyngyrz (762201) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160618)

Or we could act like adults.

Well... looking at your slashID, I know you're not new here, so I guess you've just not been paying attention? lol.

Re:Price War? (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160640)

"Or we could act like adults."

Well... looking at your slashID, I know you're not new here, so I guess you've just not been paying attention? lol.

Well, I can always hope, misguided as that may be.

Re:Price War? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38160178)

It's not unusual for Apple to discount 10% on Black Friday. This has been the norm for them the last couple of years. Amazon and Barnes and Noble will lose money on their tablets to sell books, music, movies and apps. No surprise there.

Re:Price War? (3, Interesting)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160312)

For a one day sale yes, I'm not sure what Amazon gets out of it, but B&N desperately needs more mindshare going forward. I have one of the first gen Nooks, and it's really good hardware, but most of the time when I'm reading it nobody has ever heard about it. Granted that's in the general public, but still not good.

Any money they lose on them on Black Friday is almost certainly going to be money well spent. The hardware is well polished and of good quality, and I can go into a B&N store and read free books every day if I like. Really, they ought to be advertising it on TV the way that Apple and Amazon do.

Re:Price War? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38160284)

And apparently, the clue stick is not included. ^^
The golden cage on the other hand, comes in its own special expensive box.

Re:Price War? (1, Insightful)

alvinrod (889928) | more than 2 years ago | (#38159802)

Against other products that aren't even in the same category, no less. Sure they can all read books, but that's like comparing sales prices for bicycles against cars because they can get you from point A to point B.

Let's just tag this one "slownewsday" and move along.

Re:Price War? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38159854)

This isn't a new price war between Apple and the others (who are selling products that are much more limited than an iPad).

In previous years, Apple has been known to discount iMacs and MacBook Pros by $101 on Black Friday; and also to discount iPod Touches (I think this discount was roughly 10%). A $61 discount on an iPad 2 would be roughly in line with this.

Re:Price War? (2)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#38159864)

so are other android tablets

the kindle fire will destroy the tablet businesses of most android tablet makers

Re:Price War? (5, Insightful)

metalmaster (1005171) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160086)

I would mod you funny if i could, because you've gotta be kidding. The Kindle Fire is little more than an amazon portal that puts up the facade of being an android tablet. If you want a basic android offering that includes a web browser and limited media player by all means get a Kindle Fire. There is no way it can even compete with a tablet that offers an expandable SD slot, camera, mic and presumably android updates down the line.

I work retail and I have had plenty of time to play with our display model. The UI is a bit too simple and it's content-focused. That's great if you plan to consume amazon content, but i'd rather have an android UI and navigation

Re:Price War? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38160620)

Free Touchpad with certain HP computers tomorrow. At least in Canada . . .

Re:Price War? (5, Insightful)

Guspaz (556486) | more than 2 years ago | (#38159884)

A few hundred dollars more expensive than what? The Galaxy Tab 10.1 16GB seems to be going for about $500 today, which is the same price as the iPad 2. You can't compare a 10" high-end tablet to a 7" budget tablet or e-reader, they're not the same class of device.

People rag on apple for selling expensive products. The perception is largely because, while Apple's products are generally priced roughly the same as similarly spec'd products from their competitors, Apple doesn't typically sell low-end or budget devices. That is to say, their product lineup starts in the mid-range to high-end. So, they're expensive, yes, but not overpriced.

Re:Price War? (0)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38159932)

People rag on apple for selling expensive products. The perception is largely because, while Apple's products are generally priced roughly the same as similarly spec'd products from their competitors, Apple doesn't typically sell low-end or budget devices. That is to say, their product lineup starts in the mid-range to high-end. So, they're expensive, yes, but not overpriced.

My Toshiba i5 laptop cost $1100. The closest comparable Apple laptop I could find at the time -- if I remember correctly it had a slightly faster CPU and Firewire, but a smaller hard drive and 2/3 as much RAM -- was $2500.

I'd say that's both expensive and overpriced.

Re:Price War? (1)

Rudeboy777 (214749) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160024)

How about the screen and keyboard? Does your Toshiba have an unibody aluminum design?

I always thought Apple stuff was overpriced too, but there's a lot more to it than the CPU speed and how much memory is in a laptop. This coming from a guy who has never owned an Apple product.

Re:Price War? (0)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160046)

How about the screen and keyboard?

The Toshiba's is fine. I believe the resolution was the same but don't remembre for sure.

Does your Toshiba have an unibody aluminum design?

Don't care, but I assumed someone would say 'Dude, but for your extra $1400 you get AN ALUMINIUM CASE!'

From a quick look online, I could apparently buy about 1600 pounds of aluminium for $1400.

Re:Price War? (1)

xouumalperxe (815707) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160406)

There's a lot of stuff inside a computer that doesn't make it to the spec sheet, and that is usually described as "better building quality". Now, we can harp on about the sexy aluminium chassis, which frankly only matters if you're treating your laptop like crap. Or you can get down to stuff that's perhaps a little less obvious, but, at least in my case, much more relevant.

When I joined the company I'm currently working for, I was given a budget for a laptop. Given that budget, I suggested they instead buy me a set of display/mouse/keyboard, and I'd use my own Macbook Pro. Some time later, after the advantages of the big display and lower-set keyboard starting becoming obvious to the rest of the company, people got upgraded to similar setups. Now, I work at a place where there are loads of power fluctuations. What we immediately saw was all the other laptops here that connect via VGA to their respective displays got serious issues with the image flickering. I don't mean a tiny flicker, I mean great big stripes visible a metre away. Disconnecting the laptops from their chargers fixes the issue, as does connecting them via DVI/HDMI where possible. The voltage regulators in those laptops' power supplies suck balls, and the noisy power is propagating all the way to the display. Me? I'm still working on the MBP, and it works just fine with VGA.

Granted, "I work in a place with bad power" isn't exactly the biggest issue in most people's minds when they're shopping for a laptop. I also agree that it's a steep price difference for "better build quality" (I still think that the buying into the OS makes it worthwhile, though I accept that others don't). But it's quite clear to me that comparing purely on the performance specs is missing some details of the whole picture.

Re:Price War? (1)

danbob999 (2490674) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160440)

Will the Apple laptop last longer? No? Then why do you call it "better build quality"? It's a laptop, not a piece of art or a jewelry.

Re:Price War? (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160626)

Longer than a run-of-the-mill Toshiba/Acer/ASUS/Dell? Yes, of course.

Longer than a Dell Precision or a Thinkpad T/X/W or HP Elitebook? Maybe not, but then again, those often actually cost more than Apple hardware...

Re:Price War? (1)

smellotron (1039250) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160108)

I always thought Apple stuff was overpriced too, but there's a lot more to it than the CPU speed and how much memory is in a laptop

When I was in college I saw hardware failures on Toshiba laptops that I've not seen elsewhere. Most memorable: one with a hardware clock drifting by minutes per day, and another with dead peripheral ports. Obviously these events are not statistically relevant, but they are problems that easy to hide in advertising/sales literature. No laptop manufacturer touts mean-time-to-failure in their components, but it is easy to cut corners elsewhere in order to beef up cpu/ram/disk.

Re:Price War? (1)

Gramie2 (411713) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160318)

Then again, one of my co-workers has had problems with recent Apple purchases: dead pixels on screens, dust on the inside of his new iMac screen (cleaning it himself would void the warranty, and the replacement had the same problem), and customer service reps that wanted him to go away rather than fix the problems.

Re:Price War? (1)

barc0001 (173002) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160350)

And as a countervailing anecdotal data point I've been running IT departments for 20 years and can tell you that Toshiba, IBM/Lenovo and (recently) Asus laptops have been among the more solid devices for reliability in my experience. HP and Dell are in the mid-tier, Acer is on the lower end, and Sony is a definite NOT buy. In my experience. We've had Apple laptops at most of the companies I've been at and I would say in my experience they have a slightly better reliability rate than the Toshiba devices, but not enough of an edge to warrant their price premium.

Re:Price War? (5, Informative)

danbob999 (2490674) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160532)

Squaretrade made statistics with over 30,000 laptops

http://www.squaretrade.com/pages/laptop-reliability-1109/?ccode=bs_war_buyerblog [squaretrade.com]

Asus came first, followed by Toshiba, in terms of reliability. Sony came better than Apple. HP was the worst. Even worse than Acer and Gateway.

Apple did slightly better than the average, but given that what they call "premium laptops" (those over $1000), which include almost all Apple laptops, also did better than the average, Apple didn't score any better than the competition.

Re:Price War? (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160322)

Why would you need a unibody aluminum case? For the cost of the case and pointless extras I could just buy a new ThinkPad when mine goes tits up, or get like 8 years worth of extended warranties on the unit.

I've contemplated getting a Mac in the past, I just have never been able to stomach the amount of money that I'd end up paying for shinies that have little to no impact on performance or reliability.

Re:Price War? (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160646)

Interesting... the Thinkpads I've been looking at lately are all pretty much just as expensive as a MBP. Are they so much cheaper than Apple stuff in the States?

Oh well, don't think my X200 will be dying any time soon... maybe I'll just wait until I get a chance to visit the States again :)

Re:Price War? (1)

AdamJS (2466928) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160162)

Macbooks and iMacs and, well, most of their personal computers are the exception. But his statement holds true for "ultrabooks" and phone and tablet markets. Apple's main bread and butter.

Re:Price War? (1)

Weedhopper (168515) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160388)

Okay, I'm calling your story.

When did you your Toshiba i5 and what are its exact specs?

Because Apple only has a few product lines and each price change is widely announced, we ought to be able EXACTLY how much the equivalent MBP cost. I doubt it it was $2500.

Re:Price War? (1)

danbob999 (2490674) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160480)

The 16GB Asus Transformer 10" was $400. And the new 32GB Transformer prime will be $500 in a few days, still $100 less than the lower end iPad2.

Re:Price War? (3, Informative)

steveha (103154) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160630)

You can't compare a 10" high-end tablet to a 7" budget tablet or e-reader, they're not the same class of device.

Oh, I think I can. Here, I'll do it. I'll compare the iPad 2 to the Nook Tablet.

Each is better in some ways than the other. iPad 2 has cameras and a larger screen; Nook Tablet is a convenient size for carrying, is lighter (400 grams vs. 601 grams!), and has longer battery life. Both have great screens. Both have a web browser. iPad 2 has more apps, but Nook Tablet has the apps I really care about; in particular, it has Netflix pre-loaded. Both have a 1 GHz dual-core ARM processor. The Nook Tablet has 1GB of RAM, twice as much as iPad 2, and has a claimed 11.5 hour battery life vs. iPad 2's claimed 10 hour battery life.

And Nook Tablet is literally half the price of iPad 2.

So I bought a Nook Tablet and I haven't bought an iPad.

P.S. I also have a Nook Color and I plan to root it and install CyanogenMod. It turns out that the Nook Color actually has Bluetooth hardware that was not enabled by the Nook software stack, so a rooted Nook Color makes a rather nifty little tablet.

If a bunch of Nook Color owners run out and buy a Nook Tablet, now might be a good time to pick up a used Nook Color for cheap. If you can get a new one for $200 you ought to be able to get a used one for around $100 or so. A used iPad 2 will be much more expensive than that.

I am hoping that the Nook Tablet also has hidden Bluetooth hardware, but I have not yet seen this confirmed or disproved.

steveha

Re:Price War? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38160010)

So this still leaves the iPad2 a few hundred dollars more expensive, right?

That's still a great bargain; ordinarily in this situation, they'd increase the price just so they can rub it in everyone's faces how indoctrined their fanbase is.

Then their fans would brag about how much better their iPad2s are because they were THERE, man, when Apple heroically fought off the evil interlopers for the glory of Saint Jobs.

Playbook as well (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38159728)

The Blackberry Playbook has it's price slashed, and it is a signal of the end.

Android/Apple price slash - PRICE WAR!

Re:Playbook as well (4, Funny)

paimin (656338) | more than 2 years ago | (#38159870)

What's a Blackberry? :-D

Re:Playbook as well (4, Funny)

somersault (912633) | more than 2 years ago | (#38159956)

Trust me, you don't want to find out. D-:

Re:Playbook as well (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160158)

What's a Blackberry? :-D

A Blueberry that's been told twice.

Re:Playbook as well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38160232)

"blackberry" (or "niggerberry") is racist term for a banana.

Re:Playbook as well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38160438)

It's an over -sized, dark-purple raspberry. It sort of looks like this. [wikipedia.org]

Kindle Touch is still at $99 (1)

sunr2007 (2309530) | more than 2 years ago | (#38159736)

Kindle Touch is at $99 . I want that simply because of amazon ecosystem though Nook touch is better in terms of hardware. im just waiting for any offers on it to buy. any leads which can help?

Re:Kindle Touch is still at $99 (2)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 2 years ago | (#38159862)

How does the nook touch beat the kindle touch in hardware? Seriously because I want to get an e-reader but want the best value.

Re:Kindle Touch is still at $99 (1)

planimal (2454610) | more than 2 years ago | (#38159962)

get the kobo.

Re:Kindle Touch is still at $99 (5, Insightful)

willoughby (1367773) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160120)

Amazon missed the boat on one feature. With my Nook Touch I can hold it in one hand and press the hardware buttons on either side to turn the pages. With no hardware page-turn buttons on the Kindle touch you must tap or swipe the screen to turn a page, so it takes two hands to read a book. But, maybe I'm the only person who sometimes holds their e-reader with one hand.

Re:Kindle Touch is still at $99 (3, Funny)

Abstrackt (609015) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160198)

But, maybe I'm the only person who sometimes holds their e-reader with one hand.

ASCII porn certainly isn't what it used to be.

Re:Kindle Touch is still at $99 (1)

chromas (1085949) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160488)

Unicode porn is the future!

Re:Kindle Touch is still at $99 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38160584)

I absolutely agree with this. I do all my reading on the subway, so I have to hold on to the bar with one hand while the train is moving. The touch ereaders are an enormous pain to use in those conditions because you have to let go of the bar to turn the page. I'm not sure why all the ereaders either got rid of the page turn buttons or made then tiny and uncomfortable to use.

Re:Kindle Touch is still at $99 (3, Insightful)

steveha (103154) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160192)

I got the Nook Simple Touch because I really wanted a physical button for turning pages. I have been quite happy with the device.

My Nook is currently on loan to my father, whose hands shake a bit. He has real trouble with any touchscreen device; touchscreens are designed to do things when you touch them, and with his hands shaking he keeps doing things he didn't mean to do. With the Nook Simple Touch he can hold his hands on the bezel and use the hardware buttons to flip pages. (He's still having some trouble with it, but I think once he gets used to it he won't have any more trouble. But any device without hardware buttons is ruled out for him.)

Also, I really like the way Barnes and Noble designed their Nooks to take standard protective covers. You can choose from a variety of covers, with various features and colors and price points. I got a simple cover that can be secured with a permanently-attached elastic band, so that if I throw it in a backpack, the cover will stay closed.

I paid $140 for my Nook and I am satisfied that it was money well spent. I might just go pick up one of the $80 ones tomorrow.

steveha

61 off the highest end iPad 2 (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38159738)

It's hardly a price war.

Re:61 off the highest end iPad 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38159868)

Yeah "aggressive pricing" my ass.

Give it a rest (5, Insightful)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#38159744)

That's not a price war. The Kindle dropped their prices a while ago, not as part of some Black Friday promotion. And the iPad is in a completely different class of devices. I guess you might say that they're offering the sale to dissuade people from getting the Kindle Fire this Christmas, but the more likely scenario is that all of these are just standard Black Friday deals. This is less of a story and more like one of those snail mail sales flyers they spam out every week.

But hey, it will give all the fanboys a reason to argue over which device is best, which I suppose was the whole point.

Re:Give it a rest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38159806)

iPad2, hands down

(my pants along with hot grits)

Re:Give it a rest (4, Insightful)

Spad (470073) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160180)

Everything is a war these days, every new product an [other product]-killer; people don't disagree with someone, they "slam" them or "destroy" them.

Let's face it, if it's not totally over the top and blown out of all proportion, very few sections of the media will care enough to publish it.

Pathetic. (1, Flamebait)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 2 years ago | (#38159746)

People who participate in Black Friday are pathetic. Only in America are people willing to be herded like cattle, trampling and fighting each other over a fucking TV. Camping out in front of stores days in advance just to buy low-priced crap made in China is like begging to suck the cock of a person who steals your money and beats the shit out of you.

Pay the extra pennies and have some fucking dignity. If you're that hard-up to suck Chinese or Korean cock, then go move there and suck to your heart's content. The living expenses are real cheap over there, too.

Re:Pathetic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38159790)

Amazon have a black friday lightening sale, who needs to camp?

I just got Sony Vegas Studio fro 20 Euros :)

I got Corel PSP X4 at full price but now the bloody thing is on the sale lol at 30!

Cheap is good. Let them have their fight as long as they all remain standing it is still good for us :)

Re:Pathetic. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38159794)

You seem awfully interested in cock.

How does cock make you feel? Do you feel you have a small cock and need to say cock a lot to compensate? Is it specifically Asian cock you're interested in, or would any cock do? Show us on the doll where the man touched you; did he touch your cock?

Yes you are Pathetic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38159822)

Awh.... Is somebunny spending Thanksgibbing aw awone today :(

I'm sure someday when you get a job you can be a big boy and go shopping like the rest of us grown ups.

Re:Pathetic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38159898)

Indeed. Some of us are celebrating Buy Nothing Day tomorrow.

Re:Pathetic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38159964)

Yeah, congratulations. We used to call that "being poor."

Re:Pathetic. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38160030)

now, we call that being smart

Re:Pathetic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38160452)

Nope, it's still called being poor. Being smart would be buying on Black Friday and saving a shit ton of money. Doesn't apply if you're the kind of people who buy more things just because they are on sale though.

Re:Pathetic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38160054)

Yeah, around here we call that "We Don't Celebrate Anything Today But Feel The Need To Be Smug Assholes Day". We don't observe that, ourselves, but we like to poke poeple who celebrate that with sticks just so we don't feel left out. The way they twitch and whine at us like little hipster cattle is just so amusing!

Sorry, I lost track, are you celebrating WDCATBFTNTBSA Day tomorrow? Should I get the poking sticks ready?

$79 Kindle with "Special Offers" (5, Interesting)

Vecanti (2384840) | more than 2 years ago | (#38159756)

I notice there are two types of Kindles. Those that say Kindle and those that say, Kindle "with Special Offers". The $79 is with special offers. My understanding is that it will display ads for the entire life of the device for the cost saving over the normal price, is this true? It's a $109 without special offers.

The Nook is $79 with no ads.

I have no interest in either, but I wonder how many people are going to be WTF!? this christmas with their Kindle's as they didn't notice the "Special Offers" thing.

Re:$79 Kindle with "Special Offers" (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38159826)

The ads are fullscreen as a screen saver only... The rest of the time it is a little banner on the screen, except when reading, then the ads are not seen at all. You can also disable the ads anytime you want and Amazon will debit the amount to match the price of an unsubsidized model.

Re:$79 Kindle with "Special Offers" (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38159910)

You also have to pay an extra $10 for the power cable... which comes with every other model.

Re:$79 Kindle with "Special Offers" (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160374)

I might be missing something, but isn't the Kindle power adapter just a standard micro USB cable with power adapter? From the looks of it it's almost identical to the one that came with my Nook, apart from different branding.

At this stage as things move more and more to a standard cable, it makes less and less sense to pay for an extra power cable when you probably have a half dozen ones sitting around already.

Re:$79 Kindle with "Special Offers" (1)

darrylo (97569) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160144)

The Nook is $79 with no ads.

It also appears to be in-store only (Black Friday special?). Foo.

The iPad Wins (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38159768)

I'm going to tell you guys an important secret: nobody except nerds wants a non-iPad tablet. Everybody wants the iPad, and if you buy somebody a different tablet, they will be secretly angry about you. You can nerd-rage about this all you want, but it is true. As has been said before: there is not a tablet market, there is an iPad market.

Re:The iPad Wins (2)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160012)

Right. That's why there's all those HP tablets still lying around. A good percentage of people seem to feel the a tablet is not worth the price Apple is charging. Another fairly large group of people seem to disagree with many of Apple's restrictions. Both of these groups have somewhat limited options, but that is changing. In 5 years the tablet market will match the smartphone market, assuming Apple doesn't cripple all potential competition with lawsuits.

Re:The iPad Wins (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38160066)

The HP tablets were essentially given away. I don't think that really compares.

As for the Apple restrictions? I don't think anybody really cares about that outside of tech circles. Most people don't mix politics with their consumer electronics like we all do.

Re:The iPad Wins (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38160096)

Another fairly large group of people seem to disagree with many of Apple's restrictions.

I've got news for you: the group of people who disagree with Apple's restrictions is very very small.

Re:The iPad Wins (2)

Curunir_wolf (588405) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160022)

I'm going to tell you guys an important secret: nobody except nerds wants a non-iPad tablet. Everybody wants the iPad, and if you buy somebody a different tablet, they will be secretly angry about you. You can nerd-rage about this all you want, but it is true. As has been said before: there is not a tablet market, there is an iPad market.

Meh. I doubt that's true. A friend of mine (very non-geek) has an iPad, and her son recently came home with a Nook Tablet. She likes it better than the iPad.

Unfortunately, it looks like Amazon is going to sell a lot of Kindle Fires to non-geeks just because they have better marketing, and a lot of people won't look at or even know about the Nook tablets, which are much better products.

Re:The iPad Wins (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38160534)

Meh. I doubt that's true. A friend of mine (very non-geek) has an iPad, and her son recently came home with a Nook Tablet. She likes it better than the iPad.

Unfortunately, it looks like Amazon is going to sell a lot of Kindle Fires to non-geeks just because they have better marketing, and a lot of people won't look at or even know about the Nook tablets, which are much better products.

Wow the lies your friend has to tell you to make you happy ... Why is she trying so hard to impress you? I have friends like you too, and look long and hard to find ways to compliment their android tablets.

Do you have to live in USA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38159788)

Do you have to live in USA to take advantage of the online deals?

Re:Do you have to live in USA? (3, Informative)

Guspaz (556486) | more than 2 years ago | (#38159940)

Depends for what store. A lot of Canadian stores have Black Friday deals, even though Thanksgiving was over a month ago here. Some US stores which operate or ship to Canada have the sales, like NewEgg (although their sale this year for Canada sucks).

Steam's prices are the same in every country, and they've got some amazing deals. Yesterday had Mass Effect 2 (or 1) for $5, Portal 2 for $10, that sort of thing. That sale is over, but there's a new set for today, and there's some less aggressive sales that are valid all week.

Re:Do you have to live in USA? (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160184)

Portal 2 for $10? Dang, I knew I forgot to check something yesterday, that was it. Time to see if they'll do the same around Christmas, I have a week off and a need to get my game on :)

Re:Do you have to live in USA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38160594)

That's why I hate specials on Steam. I don't leave that resource-eating crap running all the time, I just start it when I want to play games I have on Steam.

They should have sent emails about those specials. I was waiting for such a special to buy Portal 2. If it's over, they're not gonna get the full price from me.

They just lost a sale.

corporate birthdays now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38159820)

i hate this black friday crap. its as tho we have declared a holiday to the corporate, aristocratic class

these supposed deals arent even all that impressive

Re:corporate birthdays now? (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#38159890)

it's gone to the next level, day after halloween the stores started pimping Christmas crap in the northwest suburbs of Chicago. Brings to mind the Tom Lehrer medley of Christmas song beginnings:
,br/> "God rest ye merry merchants may ye make the yuletime PAY!"
"Angels we have heard on high, tell us to go out and BUY!"
"Hark the Herald Tribune sings, advertising wonderous things...."

Re:corporate birthdays now? (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160348)

it's gone to the next level, day after halloween the stores started pimping Christmas crap

I saw Christmas stuff in the stores a full two weeks before Halloween. We actually received the Sears "Spring Preview" catalog earlier this week.

It has definitely gotten absurd.

love my kindle - apple IS big brother (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38159880)

I've never put down my Kindle since I got it, and have no desire to own any Apple product, their stuff is only cool if you want to be subsumed into the masses of sheep that keep them going. And ever since I read the Steve Jobs (genius, but a real douchebag) bio on my Kindle, I know why I've always supported Open Source.
I'll probably grab an Android OS product before long, just to "think different".
(I should probably register at some point, but just call me A Coward for now)

Re:love my kindle - apple IS big brother (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160616)

I've never put down my Kindle since I got it

Is e-ink really waterproof? It must be hard taking a shower while holding your Kindle.

Playbook? (1)

Lucky75 (1265142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38159948)

And...you know....Playbooks. Not sure why RIM always gets left out of the equation when their device is just as good as anything non-apple.

Re:Playbook? (2)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#38159990)

And...you know....Playbooks. Not sure why RIM always gets left out of the equation when their device is just as good as anything non-apple.

Has RIM rewritten its OS so the Playbook is no longer partially crippled unless you also carry a Blackberry with you? Because, if not, it's only "as good as" those other devices if you're a Blackberry owner - and there are fewer and fewer of those every day.

Re:Playbook? (1)

Straif (172656) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160266)

I was holding out for the next gen Asus Transformer but I just picked up a 32Gb Playbook for $299 and I've never owned a blackberry product in my life. The only crippling I can see is the native email client requires a blackberry but that's suppose to change in OS 2.0. Even with that there are links to Gmail, Yahoo, Hotmail even Aol directly on the main screen and at least with Gmail, the mobile page looks as good as any app.

The only real drawback is because they launch through the browser you don't get notifications in the status bar when new mail arrives. I don't know about you but having newly arrived mail show up as an icon in my status bar isn't really worth the extra 2-300 dollars it would cost to get something comparable with a native app.

Now there is definitely a shortage of apps on Blackberry AppWorld but that should change with their new Android to Blackberry conversion tools and the ones that are there, especially the EA games, look amazing. For that matter it's possible to run an Android emulator on the playbook although not all apps are compatible. Some people have even used the DOS emulator for playbook to load a full version of Win95 onto it (to each his own I guess).

Basically, if the Playbook is crippled in any significant way, I've yet to find it.

Re:Playbook? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38160056)

What, are they handing out free Blackberrys with every Playbook purchase? Then I might be interested.

Actually, I take that back. I'm not interested even if that is the deal they are offering, because I don't want to carry two devices in order to get one of them to work properly. I'm not interested in a "tablet" that serves as a glorified big display for a phone I don't own.

Re:Playbook? (1)

Straif (172656) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160278)

As far as I can tell the Playbook only really uses a Blackberry phone for it's native email app and since all mail is accessible through the browser anyway, that's hardly a deal breaker. There's even suppose to be a new email app with no Blackberry phone requirement in OS 2.0.

Apple's pricing: "announced" or "reportedly"? (3, Interesting)

DavidinAla (639952) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160132)

Did anybody notice the bizarro contradiction in the description of this story? If Apple had "announced aggressive pricing," the referenced article wouldn't be talking about what Apple was "reportedly" going to do. It can be announced OR it can be just rumored. You can't reasonably use both words.

"And meanwhile, Apple has announced aggressive pricing on all Apple products for Black Friday, reportedly including $100 off on MacBook and iMac products, and a $61 discount on the iPad 2."

Re:Apple's pricing: "announced" or "reportedly"? (1)

AdamJS (2466928) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160566)

Not exactly.
It may be that Apple said "We will be aggressively pricing products for black friday".

Two vs One (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38160418)

How is it a "three way war" when Apple and B&N are trying to play catchup with Amazon?

Re:Two vs One (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 2 years ago | (#38160628)

It's spelled "ketchup", not "catchup".

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