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155 MPH Biofuel Truck Breaks Speed Record

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the zoom-zoom dept.

Transportation 105

An anonymous reader writes "A team of students from Boise University recently shattered the world land speed record for biofuel vehicles by traveling 155 mph in a vegetable oil-powered pick-up truck dubbed the Greenspeed. To achieve the speed record the vehicle was upgraded with a compound-turbocharged 5.9 liter Cummins straight-six diesel engine that produces 700 horsepower, and it ran on an oil mix consisting of cottonseed and sunflower oil."

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I want one. (2)

Tastecicles (1153671) | more than 2 years ago | (#38168824)

Wait. No I don't. It's 2011, people, where's my hover conversion!?

Re:I want one. (4, Funny)

BigBlueOx (1201587) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169008)

It's close. Real close. Once the problem of eliminating the capacitive reluctance inside the hydrocoptic marzelvanes is solved (simply an engineering fix) control of the milford trunions will in the range of 90%. Any day now.

Re:I want one. (1)

SlideGuitar (445691) | more than 2 years ago | (#38170470)

It's close. Real close. Once the problem of eliminating the capacitive reluctance inside the hydrocoptic marzelvanes is solved (simply an engineering
fix) control of the milford trunions will in the range of 90%. Any day now.

brilliant.

Re:I want one. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38170798)

needs more dingle arms

Re:I want one. (4, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169186)

It is more of a So What. The BioFuel Truck can travel at 155MPH so what. That thing is puffing out carbon and smog there is no tomorrow . There isn't any words how many MilePerGallon. Yea yea you can regrow the plants and they will take the carbon back... But how much extra carbon will we produce to make the oil. How many Carbon Eating trees will we need to cut down to grow this material.

Our Roads cannot handle 155MPH anyways. Even where there is no speed limit most people don't go that fast.

Re:I want one. (3, Insightful)

migla (1099771) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169236)

And what about the burning of food stuffs in cars?!? That sounds totally insane, when there are people about that rather eat those sunflowers. It would be as crazy as if we based the entire economy on lying and greed!

Re:I want one. (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38173778)

You can make biodiesel from algae. I doubt that even starving Africans would have otherwise eaten those, and it doesn't use up any land that would otherwise be dedicated to foodstocks, either.

Re:I want one. (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#38174506)

You can make biodiesel from algae.

And you can make it with dirty water and get cleaner water out, or you can make it with saltwater. And the remnants from the process are useful as fertilizer, you compost them and turn them into soil.

Re:I want one. (2, Funny)

The Wild Norseman (1404891) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169676)

It is more of a So What. The BioFuel Truck can travel at 155MPH so what.

This is Boise, Idaho we're talking about.

I'm just surprised the thing could make it past sixty what with the requisite naked woman silhouette mudflaps and beer keg in the back...

Re:I want one. (1)

The_Deacon (137827) | more than 2 years ago | (#38171882)

This is Boise, Idaho we're talking about.

I'm just surprised the thing could make it past sixty what with the requisite naked woman silhouette mudflaps and beer keg in the back...

I love it ... keep spreading those hick-stereotype memes, maybe it'll slow down the flood of California and Washington refugees that keep choosing to move to Boise. For the record, the last time I saw the silhouette mudflaps was in eastern Oregon farm country, about four years ago.
But since we're on stereotypes: Last time I saw a slammed Chrysler 300 with 21" chrome rims and limo tint? Yesterday. I'd take the person with the mudflaps any day.
So please -- carry on with anything you can do to convince the refugees to look elsewhere.

Re:I want one. (1)

The Wild Norseman (1404891) | more than 2 years ago | (#38173016)

Last time I saw a pair of those mudflaps was on Chinden and Glenwood about a month ago.

But just relax, I was joking; Boise is actually a very nice place to live.

Re:I want one. (1)

smpoole7 (1467717) | more than 2 years ago | (#38175584)

Don't bring these things to Alabama. The coal and junk trunks drive dangerously fast as it is.

We also apparently have trouble with people here trying to eat these trucks.

A typical warning [akamaihd.net]

(Hope that link works. That's the first time I've ever posted a direct link to Facebook.)

Re:I want one. (1)

jpmorgan (517966) | more than 2 years ago | (#38170654)

It's a student competition. They exist to give students an opportunity to learn on "real" projects, not to create world changing technology. The only reason for biofuel at all is to create an extra challenge, and because "green" is popular.

Re:I want one. (1)

Anthony Mouse (1927662) | more than 2 years ago | (#38171666)

It is more of a So What. The BioFuel Truck can travel at 155MPH so what.

The thing that gets me is that 155MPH is easy. Almost any passenger car with over ~200HP will do 155MPH, or would if you took off the electronic limiter. I imagine you could beat it if you took a standard Audi A4 TDI 3.0 an put biodiesel in it. Or a VW Touareg TDI. And if not it would only be a result of the low redline and being gear limited by the transmission, so all you would have to do is replace the transmission with one that has a higher top gear.

Top speed is way too easy in general. All you do is put more horsepower in something with good aerodynamics, which is trivial when you have no fuel consumption constraints. It's not even interesting. Come back when you have a pickup that will do 80MPG at 80MPH.

Re:I want one. (1)

mister_playboy (1474163) | more than 2 years ago | (#38174486)

155mph is a good top end speed for a Dodge Ram.

You are basically forced to use a heavy-duty truck if you want to do a high power diesel project like this in the US, unless you have the money to buy and mod up a recent BMW 335d.

Re:I want one. (1)

Anthony Mouse (1927662) | more than 2 years ago | (#38175304)

But that's what I'm saying. You would barely even need to mod it up. Top speed is almost entirely a matter of horsepower overcoming air resistance. Using a pickup truck is pretty stupid because the aerodynamics are terrible, which requires you to have some unfathomable amount of power to overcome it. The 335D would be a good candidate, it's just expensive. And there are cheaper options. You can get a used VW Touareg V10 TDI with 310HP for around $20K. The aerodynamics aren't as good as the 335D, but they're better than the pickup and it has more power.

Speed records are meant to be the fastest car anyone can make in that class. It doesn't really mean much if there are common road cars that will beat the record and the only reason they haven't is that nobody who can afford one has bothered to set a time.

Re:I want one. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38194820)

you do realize there are actual vehicle classes, right? and the only ones that are associated with diesel are [i]truck[/i] classes?

Re:I want one. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38174680)

No. 155 is not easy. I've been 155 mph and it's fast and dangerous. The average car can barely do 100 even ungoverned. Going 155 in a Dodge Ram is nuts. The slightest problem at that speed means shredded metal and plastic scattered over half an acre.

Re:I want one. (1)

Anthony Mouse (1927662) | more than 2 years ago | (#38175360)

The average car can barely do 100 even ungoverned.

This is just completely wrong. Most economy cars will do 110-130 ungoverned. You take something like a Ford Fusion V6, it'll probably do 155 without modification if not for the governor.

Re:I want one. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38175412)

Don't know what you've been driving, but the last car I had that *couldn#t* do over 100 was a 1.2 litre Vauxhall Corsa that had about 44 bhp. Everything else I have driven cruises happily at 90mph and is more than capable of exceeding 100, including a 2.0l 120bhp Volvo (taken to 110 with plenty of revs left), 2.0l SAAB turbo, 154bhp (top speed around 130+, but never tested) etc.

Re:I want one. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38172574)

It smells so good when it whooshes past.

Re:I want one. (2)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169346)

You don't want a hovercar.

Or more accurately, you don't want a hovercar on the market. All the idiots that can't drive in 2D will be flying around in 3D.

Re:I want one. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38171382)

It's 2011, people, where's my hover conversion!?

That's an important reason fueling the search for the Higgs Boson. Vehicle hover conversions will be possible afterwards.

Of course, particle physicists are keeping that quiet. It's their hard work - they want to be the first ones to get hover cars.

Re:I want one. (1)

Mikkeles (698461) | more than 2 years ago | (#38175102)

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Speed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38168836)

Brought to you by Oil: The Greenest of Resources

Flower powered (2)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#38168894)

For the win!

155mph isn't green using any fuel (2, Insightful)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 2 years ago | (#38168842)

The fertiliser used to grow the plants was created using the Haber-Bosch process which uses lots of natural gas.
The ploughing etc is all highly energy (oil) intensive.
The processing an transport use existing oil reserves.

Finally, the energy consumption of the vehicle increases with the square of the speed.

Re:155mph isn't green using any fuel (1)

AdamJS (2466928) | more than 2 years ago | (#38168886)

If it's a net improvement that allows for further improvements, particularly at semi-modular components in the initial provisions, then it's a good start.

Re:155mph isn't green using any fuel (1)

Black Gold Alchemist (1747136) | more than 2 years ago | (#38168912)

The EROEI of biodiesel fuels is around 3-3.5. Straight vegetable oil, like this, is higher because there is no conversion process. Also, the Haber-Bosch process does not consume natural gas, it consumes hydrogen, and in the past was a totally renewable processing using hydroelectricity and electrolysis systems. Now the economics are different. Also, energy consumption doesn't matter in the end, only emissions.

Re:155mph isn't green using any fuel (2, Informative)

lobiusmoop (305328) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169106)

Also, the Haber-Bosch process does not consume natural gas, it consumes hydrogen...

Was going to mod, but have to reply to this.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process [wikipedia.org] :

By far the major source of the hydrogen required for the Haber-Bosch process is methane from natural gas.

Re:155mph isn't green using any fuel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38169616)

...but you ignored the part where it says: "The source of the hydrogen is of no consequence in the Haber-Bosch process," which is the point the parent was making.

Re:155mph isn't green using any fuel (1)

lobiusmoop (305328) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169966)

Granted. However, the idea of:
1) using (presumably renewable) electricity to generate hydrogen instead of directly using that electricity in an electric vehicle, and then
2) converting that hydrogen to fertilizer instead of powering a hydrogen-cell vehicle, then
3) using farmland/water/solar to grow biofuel crops instead of food, trees or grazing land and finally
4) dropping the EROEI of the crops even further in the process of converting them into the final fuel
is so convoluted, inefficient, wasteful and messed up that it hurts my head.

Where does the hydrogen come from? (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169578)

The EROEI of biodiesel fuels is around 3-3.5.

fannn tastic, So.. about 1/3 of the population/ national GDP will be involved in production, sounds fabulous.

Also, the Haber-Bosch process does not consume natural gas, it consumes hydrogen

And the hydrogen on most plants comes from?????? .......

Also, energy consumption doesn't matter in the end, only emissions.

Yeah....... Tell that to the 2 billion starving to death as biofuels 3:1 EROEI ratio drives food inflation to the point they can't afford to eat. I foresee a touch of political instability.

Re:Where does the hydrogen come from? (1)

Black Gold Alchemist (1747136) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169716)

All very true. Not a very good system at all. In the global scheme I would prefer photovoltaic solar panels with an EROEI of 20 and much higher efficiency, etc. I was merely stating that the system has EROEI.

Re:155mph isn't green using any fuel (2)

dbialac (320955) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169990)

Then add on the fact that both the transportation processes and the farm equipment can all run on biodiesel. I love how people try to distract us from the benefits of biofuels by pointing out dirty processes that are easily changed into clean ones.

Re:155mph isn't green using any fuel (1)

sribe (304414) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169740)

Finally, the energy consumption of the vehicle increases with the square of the speed.

Energy consumption per second that is. However since the speed is going up, the increase in energy consumption per distance travelled is linear.

Re:155mph isn't green using any fuel (1)

FishTankX (1539069) | more than 2 years ago | (#38174728)

If you're going 100 MPH you use 10,000 mystery energy units.
If you're going 200 MPH you use 40,000 mystery energy units.

Over the same hour, you get one mile per 100 mystery energy units for 100MPH, and at 200MPH you get 1 mile for 200 mystery energy units. Thus, your efficency is halved by doubling your speed.

Square doesn't equal double.

The majority of the increased energy loss is due to rising air resistance as your speed increases. This is why you consume less gas traveling the same distance at 55mph vs 75mph.

Re:155mph isn't green using any fuel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38174380)

What about plutonium? =D

Not very fast... (1)

fragMasterFlash (989911) | more than 2 years ago | (#38168896)

...compared to an electric vehicle [inhabitat.com] . I'd be more much interested if it could travel 155 Miles on a gallon of biofuel.

In Soviet Russia (0)

avandesande (143899) | more than 2 years ago | (#38168906)

Biofuel burns YOU!

The claim the summary is very misleading. (2)

dbialac (320955) | more than 2 years ago | (#38168926)

They may have broken the record for biodiesel, but they are a far cry from the record for biofuels in general. One example is the Bentley Continental, which is a production car and has a top speed of 198MPH. It's a flex fuel vehicle.

Re:The claim the summary is very misleading. (2)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169862)

Most Koenigsegg vehicles are flex fuel and I'm pretty sure they're all faster than that.

Who cares? (5, Insightful)

fozzydabear (2496934) | more than 2 years ago | (#38168940)

So someone put a huge, guzzling turbo diesel into a truck to get it to go 155mph using vegetable oil which has the same carbon chain length as diesel except three of them are bonded as a triglyceride. Vegetable oil being a niche fuel and will never be able to scale up as a serious fossil fuel replacement. What a useless demonstration.

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38169004)

vegetable oil for fuel scales better than ethanol for fuel.

Speed records generally are useless (1)

Quila (201335) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169058)

But this does give good visibility to the concept of alternative fuels. It's not just some hippie in his diesel VW bus anymore, it's a truck with a higher top speed than a Dodge Ram SRT-10.

I care!... || Re:Who cares? (2)

turtleAJ (910000) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169202)

Long time /. reader here.
This is cool news... just because!
I own a 1995 Dodge Ram 2500 with one of those 5.9 Cummins engines (CTD = Cummins Turbo Diesel).

Mine has the legendary Bosch "P-Pump".
These engines last over a million miles with proper maintenance.
The only electrical thing in those engines are:::
Starter
Fuel Solenoid (cuts off electricity = cuts off fuel = engine dies)

I freaking love my truck.
I constantly get around 19-20 mpg.
Love the sound, love the turbo whine.

Oh, and did I mention that I run it on vegetable oil?
Just go to any restaurant, offer to pick it up... get the best looking one... and drop it in the bed.
Then go home, I filter it via a centrifuge (awesome USA product: WVO Designs' RawPower centrifuges!)... then drop it in the tank.
The exhaust smells like BBQ (not so much "french fries", as it is commonly believed).

Differences between dyno-juice and veggie-oil?
Absolutely none that I can feel.
Same power... same milage... same everything.
In fact, engine runs quieter and smoother with the veggie oil.

This truck is cool!
Final geek cred: Who went to pick-up the new POWER6 as/400 full-rack, with new tape drive, one disk array, and the HMC, to the dock, when the delivery company dropped the ball?
A '95 Dodge Ram with the CTD.

Shout out to the cool people over at CumminsForum.com!

Re:I care!... || Re:Who cares? (1)

Bucky24 (1943328) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169748)

Do you have difficulty getting the oil from restaurants?

Re:I care!... || Re:Who cares? (1)

turtleAJ (910000) | more than 2 years ago | (#38170636)

Usually no.

I don't go up to big chains like McDonald's, as they're set with their service contracts... plus the oil is already in the pick-up company's container (so it is at that moment, their oil... not mine, nor McDonald's).

Yet small restaurants, Chinese food places, etc., they're all super cool.
They're all like "um.. yeah. Sure!"

I always pick-up the oil in the "carboys", those square containers (5 gal).

If you're thinking about it, GO FOR IT!
And I can't say enough about the WVO Designs' centrifuge.
That thing is amazing.
Astonishing build quality (yay! We're back to the 1050s build quality!).
The oil comes out of it looking like light beer... freaking clear!

=)

Re:I care!... || Re:Who cares? (1)

turtleAJ (910000) | more than 2 years ago | (#38170682)

*1950s build quality... oops

Re:I care!... || Re:Who cares? (1)

Stormthirst (66538) | more than 2 years ago | (#38171624)

I was going to say 19-20 mpg is rubbish - but then when you're getting your fuel for free (or incredibly low price) I guess that only matters if you want to go a long distance.

Re:I care!... || Re:Who cares? (1)

M. Baranczak (726671) | more than 2 years ago | (#38172094)

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/12280.shtml [fueleconomy.gov]

The 95 Ram 2500 is supposed to get 12 MPG with the stock engine. So I'd say that's not bad at all.

Re:I care!... || Re:Who cares? (1)

Stormthirst (66538) | more than 2 years ago | (#38180844)

That's still rubbish. The cars I drove in the UK regularly got 35 mpg+

Re:I care!... || Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38193180)

Those cars were not quarter ton or half ton pickup trucks.

Re:I care!... || Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38170642)

I had the pleasure of driving my friend's dodge 2500 (w/ cummins) through the bush. It felt unstoppable.
I know that feel, bro.

(If someone reading this thinks now is the time to show how big his e-peen is by claiming to be a mining truck operator, please do.)

Re:I care!... || Re:Who cares? (1)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 2 years ago | (#38174324)

I ran my old Citroen CX 25DTR with its 2.5 litre turbodiesel on veg oil. Since it ran so clean compared to burning dead dinosaurs I could drastically increase the fuelling and boost without getting significant smoke. I kept it around 18psi boost, which gave it about 160bhp at 2400rpm and 300lb/ft torque at 1700rpm - I managed 400lb/ft but 22psi of boost is getting unhealthy ;-)

At the 18psi settings, I managed to do 0-60mph in 13 seconds - pulling a Chevy Blazer on a trailer.

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38171216)

Also this record for "biofuel land speed record" seems easily beatable. Just got to get one of those jet-engine powered land speed record cars and fill it up with the exact same stuff. This truck still might hold the wheel-driven biofuel category for a while, but the title their touting doesn't seem like much to one-up if it's just biofuel power in general.

Grandfather told me: Eat everything on your plate (1)

tp1024 (2409684) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169006)

... there are people starving in Africa.

Food is meant for eating, not for driving cars!

http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/Learn/world%20hunger%20facts%202002.htm

Re:Grandfather told me: Eat everything on your pla (3, Insightful)

The Creator (4611) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169232)

Food cannot stop starvation in a growing population, only family planning can do that. Family planning comes with education.

Trying to stop starvation with food is like trying to put out a fire with fuel.

Re:Grandfather told me: Eat everything on your pla (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38169900)

That doesn't mean we should give the food to cars instead of the starving people, though.

We should probably do both feeding and educating.

Re:Grandfather told me: Eat everything on your pla (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#38170694)

At present there is no shortage of food, there's excesses in some areas and shortages in others. If the distribution system was better there would be no starvation.

However, if we start burning food for fuel that could very well change. And quickly.

Re:Grandfather told me: Eat everything on your pla (1)

Stormthirst (66538) | more than 2 years ago | (#38171650)

That and getting the idiots at the Vatican to saying that condoms/the pill are OK for population control.

Re:Grandfather told me: Eat everything on your pla (1)

Sperbels (1008585) | more than 2 years ago | (#38171794)

That's halfway insightful. The instinct to breed is way stronger than anything you can accomplish with education though. If not for abortion and birth control, we'd have out of control population growth.

Re:Grandfather told me: Eat everything on your pla (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38169256)

Wait, what difference does it make if you eat everything on your plate or not? The uneaten portion is just going in the trash and the people in Africa will starve either way.

Re:Grandfather told me: Eat everything on your pla (1)

tyrione (134248) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169378)

... there are people starving in Africa. Food is meant for eating, not for driving cars! http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/Learn/world%20hunger%20facts%202002.htm [worldhunger.org]

Horse crap. Biomass from post consumption is now being turned into Bio Fuel. Do some research first.

Re:Grandfather told me: Eat everything on your pla (2)

tp1024 (2409684) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169704)

140mio tons of maize are being turned into ethanol in the USA alone. That's a quarter of the world maize production. Last year the world was supposedly in shock when Russia had the worst drought in 100 years or so and wheat production fell short by 10mio tons. (Yes, maize is not wheat, but the shortfall of the drought is still negligible in comparison to the amount of food burned.)

Re:Grandfather told me: Eat everything on your pla (1)

budgenator (254554) | more than 2 years ago | (#38171942)

You say that like the Distiller's Dried Grain left over from making the EtOH isn't an outrageously good cattle feed, or for that matter the press-cake left over from oil extraction is still useful as feed as well. The other thing your forgetting is the majority of corn grown is for animal consumption not human.

Re:Grandfather told me: Eat everything on your pla (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38171456)

There is more than enough food in Africa. The problem is in getting the food to the hungry people. Idiotic governments, despotic local warlords and insane prejudices are the main problem, not quantity of food for the continent.

Re:Grandfather told me: Eat everything on your pla (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38173784)

You don't have to waste potential food, or lands on which such can be grown, for bio-fuel - if done right. The problem today is that it's done cheap rather than right, and, of course, it's easier to just use existing agricultural land and existing food stocks and processes to deal with them - if the resulting fuel is worth more than food would have been, fuel is what'll be made. The wonders of free market capitalism.

mpg (1)

Dr. Tom (23206) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169074)

MPH is fine but MPG?

Turning this into big stadium monster truck show! (1)

leftie (667677) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169226)

Bio-fuel monster truck car crushers!
Those bastards!

Hmmmmm (1)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169282)

I wonder what kind of fertilizers, insecticides and defoliants were used to grow the cotton and sunflowers......

700 hp and so slow? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38169424)

Cmon, 700 hp and the shit still only goes 250 km/h? Even my mum's (I personally travel by public transport because I live in a bigger city, she lives in the countryside) Opel Meriva with some 120hp gets to 180 easily and the only two reasons I didn't drive faster were the other traffic and because 130 is the actual speed limit here in Austria -> would have been quite expensive to get caught.

Re:700 hp and so slow? (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169922)

It's a truck, it has the aerodynamics of a fridge, and probably a power/torque curve suited for a truck (that is, for hauling rather than going fast).

Re:700 hp and so slow? (1)

rrossman2 (844318) | more than 2 years ago | (#38170120)

I doubt it gets there "easily"

Re:700 hp and so slow? (1)

mister_playboy (1474163) | more than 2 years ago | (#38174524)

The relationship between horsepower and top speed is far from linear, especially when you have the crappy aerodynamics of a heavy duty Dodge Ram.

this is the hard way of doing stuff... (1)

nunogato (2517430) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169492)

hard way and longest way (probably more than 1 year) #day 1: buy a pickup #day 2 to day 300: take one year or more to make it go at these speeds, dealing with aerodynamics, mechanical parts, supercharging the motor etc. easy way and fast way (3 days) #day 1:buy a aerodynamic eficient disel car with a lot of power like a bmw 635d, remove the electronic speed limit (it's limited to 155mph), buy some B100 biodisel #day 2: drive to the desert #day 3: beat the speed limit

Slower than a BMW 335d (1)

lyle101 (1863478) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169570)

The BWM 335d is capable of running on BioDiesel (although you risk oil contamination) and with regular diesel will reach 175+ MPH.

Re:Slower than a BMW 335d (1)

mister_playboy (1474163) | more than 2 years ago | (#38174590)

In the USA the 335d is limited to 130mph. Even if unlimited, I really doubt it would hit 175 with stock output and gearing, BMWs site quotes 150 as the ultimate limit.

265hp is no more than average amongst 6 cylinder sedans these days. Amusing to see the factory weight of 3850 pounds... my goodness are modern cars obese. :(

no conversion in the article nor in the summary? (3, Interesting)

Isaac Remuant (1891806) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169640)

/Grumpy face. (I don't like to complain but... )

How many countries use mp/h and how many km/h? Would it kill them to write the conversion in the article/summary? Just for inclusion sake?

Re:no conversion in the article nor in the summary (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | more than 2 years ago | (#38169698)

Might I suggest you start a new web sight.

/, might be good name for the euro trash version.

Re:no conversion in the article nor in the summary (1)

Stormthirst (66538) | more than 2 years ago | (#38171682)

Canada isn't in Europe, but uses kph
England is in Europe, but still uses mph.

Re:no conversion in the article nor in the summary (1)

Isaac Remuant (1891806) | more than 2 years ago | (#38173348)

Actually, I live in an American country but, judging by the quality of your comment, you wont understand what that means.

Re:no conversion in the article nor in the summary (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38173792)

web sight

For all the talk of "euro trash", you could at least have paid attention to your English. I bet most "euro trash" in the comments know it better than you do.

Oh, and the proper name for a European Slashdot would be Dashcomma.

Re:no conversion in the article nor in the summary (1)

owlstead (636356) | more than 2 years ago | (#38181358)

Any successor to Slashdot should think of "The Colon" as the first option, as it is what you get after you slash the dot in two :)

700HP...only 155MPH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38169646)

Meh...
Not impressed.

not that fast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38169684)

AUDI R10 / Peugeot 908 are diesels and I'm sure they would run just fine on vegatable oil, they can both do some some thing like 220mph down the
  Mulsanne Straight

How fast would it be with Diesel? (1)

angel'o'sphere (80593) | more than 2 years ago | (#38170006)

So? How much faster or slower it would be with ordinary Diesel?
Pfff.... looks like an retarded article or even an retarded attempt for a "record".

That *Can't* be a record (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38170104)

There are plenty of diesel cars that can go faster than 155 mph with minimal modification on biofuel. It is preposterous to think that 155mph hasn't been bested by hundreds, if not thousands, of cars before this. The NHRA record for Super Street Diesel (street legal truck on DOT approved tires) is 148 MPH from a standstill in less than 10 seconds in a 1/4 mile. It would exceed 155mph less than a half second later, and probably has on many runs if the driver wasn't quick to let off the throttle at the end. I would guess that it's exceeded 155MPH many times on the street. And it's a pickup truck too.

I don't know why they used a truck, to exceed 155mph in a car requires considerably less than 300 HP, 700 HP in a car should easily exceed 200 MPH assuming you don't start with one with completely crap aerodynamics.

This is like me blowing my nose into a tissue and declaring 1/2" as the world record for snot rocket distance as measured by the Northern Kentucky Snot Rocket Distance 5'10" Irish descent class because I was the first to call it a record attempt. This is only a record that for the Southern California Timing Association diesel truck class rules, hardly a world record by any means.

Getting it right... (1)

hsmyers (142611) | more than 2 years ago | (#38170696)

No one on Slashdot could possibly care, but that would be Boise State University, the one with the blue astro turf and a top 10 foot ball rating----just saying...

Re:Getting it right... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38170764)

I was just about to post that.

Woo hoo!!!! Go BSU!!!!!

A Note on Biofuels. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38170740)

If the entire process ( Power Generation->Planting->Harvesting->Transport->Processing) uses only biofuels, then sequestered carbon = released carbon.
This is worthwhile.

This is NOT a world record (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38171830)

This is not a world record, the summary is wrong. This is only a record for the Southern California Timing Association diesel truck class. That is the only "record" it broke, the fastest vehicle tested by the Southern California Timing Association that conformed to the rules of their diesel truck class and used biofuel.

Calling that "the world land speed record for biofuel vehicles" is just flat out false. "One organization's class record for biofuel diesel trucks" is more accurate.

700 HP and only 155 mph (1)

mark_reh (2015546) | more than 2 years ago | (#38172672)

Why is the speed so low with so much power available? Is it poor aerodynamics or is there something else that explains it?

Re:700 HP and only 155 mph (1)

78spb89 (78849) | more than 2 years ago | (#38174206)

Gearing, probably.

Re:700 HP and only 155 mph (1)

mark_reh (2015546) | more than 2 years ago | (#38180102)

You'd think that if they're going to try to set a speed record they'd mess with the gears a bit...

Why vegi-oil? (1)

78spb89 (78849) | more than 2 years ago | (#38174202)

It's already been done. We know it works, it's just pointless. Why not team with a company like Solazyme and get biofuel that's actually being produced from algae (no plowing fields, I'm not going into how many ways it's green, but it is) and provide some real world numbers. Like this:

The Cummins 12-valve was available as the diesel engine option in the Dodge Ram for a lot of years, with newer versions being used after 98, and even newer versions in use since 2008. One advantage to diesel engines is they have longer service life than gas engines. My BIL has a 92 ram with the 12 valve in it, and he makes his own bio diesel from waste oil, which he doesn't steal, he gets legally. For a rough comparison, he gets about 23 MPG on dino-diesel, and 21 on Bio-diesel. While pulling a horse trailer. For further information, check out the DOE's energy density numbers, which will prove the bio diesel is much more worth while than, say, ethanal.

Additionally, bio diesel exhaust fumes are nearly entirely non-toxic, the amount of material harmful to humans or the environment is ..well, probably less per mile than per toy imported from China.

As far as modifications to this engine to run vegi oil, I know guys with 12 valves that run soy bean oil for fuel, and they just have larger fuel filters they change more often. I can't imagine it took much to get to where those kids are. They need some serious direction.

Not very impressed, am I missing something? (1)

Darkfred (245270) | more than 2 years ago | (#38194004)

Wow little did I know I was withing spitting distance of the World record on the Autobahn with a Passat TDI using biodiesel from a standard gas station. This is a weak record. The taureg v10 can do 230kph stock with bio diesel. And the Baja racing v12 with !!6X!! as much Horse power and half the weight of the standard edition (and 200% the horsepower of this 'record winner') would crush this record.

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