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UK Announces "Cyber Strategy"

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the you-can't-handle-freedom dept.

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concealment writes "The UK government has announced a 'cyber strategy' outlining its plans to make the UK a safe place to do business online. Not limited to merely defending against attacks, the strategy outlines plans to take aggressive, proactive online action against security threats and criminals. Stricter enforcement of Internet usage restrictions and recruitment of volunteer 'cyber-specials' are also planned." An interesting bit from the article: "In promising to undertake aggressive, military cyberattacks, the UK will be following in the footsteps of the U.S. and Israel — together the presumed creators of the Stuxnet worm — and China, a nation regularly accused of infiltrating and compromising both private and government organizations to extract information."

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My "Cyber Strategy" (5, Funny)

kenzal (1726510) | more than 2 years ago | (#38214502)

My "Cyber Strategy": I put on my robe and wizard hat.

MOD PARENT UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38214612)

Wizard hat's off to you, bloodninja

Re:My "Cyber Strategy" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38215360)

My cyber strategy is to say I'm a horny 18 year old female with daddy issues.

Do me a favour (2, Insightful)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 2 years ago | (#38214520)

UK governments can't even stop foreign criminals walking through the doors at the airports, nevermind computer viruses with malicious intent coming along the wires. The ministers probably can't even spell "cyberwarfare" never mind understand how to counter it.

And given the record we have of foaming at the mouth histrionic "rights" activists with brains the size of peanuts it wouldn't surprise me if some bunch of right-on swampies start a protest group for the right to existence free of persecution of said viruses and trojans.

Re:Do me a favour (5, Insightful)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 2 years ago | (#38214904)

And given the record we have of foaming at the mouth histrionic "rights" activists with brains the size of peanuts it wouldn't surprise me if some bunch of right-on swampies start a protest group for the right to existence free of persecution of said viruses and trojans.

Actually those people don't really exist, they are a fantasy invented by foaming at the mouth Daily Mail journalists and their equally foamy readers.

UK governments can't even stop foreign criminals walking through the doors at the airports, nevermind computer viruses with malicious intent coming along the wires.

So do you advocate doing nothing? Contrary to what you believe some parts of our security services do work quite well. Of more concern is the apparent declaration of a cyber cold war. I makes me wonder who they intend to target, as presumably there is little point in hacking Chinese companies since they stole all their designs from us in the first place. Actually thinking about it that makes sense, why try to hack your allies for commercial intel when you can hack the Chinese and steal the stuff they already stole from them?

Re:Do me a favour (1)

djsmiley (752149) | more than 2 years ago | (#38215016)

Vote this up for speaking sense. Seriously.

If you think our security forces suck, go to Iran and try working in the British Embassy, when was the last time anyone did something like that here? :D

Re:Do me a favour (1)

EdZ (755139) | more than 2 years ago | (#38216652)

when was the last time anyone did something like that here?

1980. It didn't go too well for the DRFLA chaps though.

Re:Do me a favour (1)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 2 years ago | (#38215204)

"Actually those people don't really exist, they are a fantasy invented by foaming at the mouth Daily Mail journalists and their equally foamy readers"

Thats odd because I actually new some at university. Perhaps they were a Daily Mail plant to sucker all us students?

"So do you advocate doing nothing?"

No I don't. I simply have my doubts that any UK government can manage it to competantly given the mess that was the NHS IT system amongst many other governmental IT failures.

Re:Do me a favour (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 2 years ago | (#38216554)

Thats odd because I actually new some at university. Perhaps they were a Daily Mail plant to sucker all us students?

Classic Daily Mail retort, totally impossible to verify. You can probably find extremists in any argument if you look hard enough, but they are just that: extremes. By setting them up as straw men to attack you divert attention from the mainstream issues and try to make out you must be the voice of reason in a world gone mad.

You know I was in Starbucks the other day and picked up the free copy of the Daily Mail that they provide. I do enjoy a good laugh. As soon as I touched it I heard a shriek from behind me and turned to see a middle aged woman with a wild look on her face. A mixture of saliva and blood was foaming around the side of her mouth and she was panting like an overheating dog. He eyes were fixed on the paper in my hand...

"Are you going to read that?" she mumbled. "Yes," I replied and her eyes went wide. She lunged at me with a hazelnut latte in one hand and the other reaching for mine. I flinched back and she fell to the floor, spilling coffee in a long thin puddle. She lunged again, this time with her mouth, biting my hand and making me drop the rag, sorry periodical I carried. She scooped it up, pages flying as she tried to see the front page headline. Suddenly there it was; all I could see was the top line beginning "NOW EU BUREAUCRATS" but somehow she managed to take it all in. The madness drained out of her visibly, to be replaced with a scowl and disproving tutting as she absorbed the warm sense of outrage that the words radiated.

To be fair though she was probably a Guardian reader just trying to discredit one of the country's greatest private institutions.

o I don't. I simply have my doubts that any UK government can manage it to competantly given the mess that was the NHS IT system amongst many other governmental IT failures.

You apparently don't understand the difference between the civilian part of the government that manages the NHS and the military part that gets involved in cyber warfare. One of those two has demonstrated an ability to attack foreign computers already, and that is just the stuff they will admit to.

Re:Do me a favour (1)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 2 years ago | (#38218504)

"Classic Daily Mail retort, "

Classic liberal lefty retort - use the Daily Mail as a straw man to discredit any further argument you don't agree with. If the best you can do is just call people liars then you're pathetic. Do try harder. You also might want to attend a university since clearly you've not been within a hundred miles of a student union.

Re:Do me a favour (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 2 years ago | (#38218932)

Classic liberal lefty retort - use the Daily Mail as a straw man to discredit any further argument you don't agree with.

WOOOOSH

And BTW I have a degree. There were some fairly half baked ideas floating about, but at least people were not so cynical that they just assumed everything would inevitably be crap and a massive failure. You still have not stated what your alternative is.

Re:Do me a favour (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38215214)

Actually those people don't really exist, they are a fantasy invented by foaming at the mouth Daily Mail journalists and their equally foamy readers.

Yes they do, and most of them seem to work for the BBC.

Re:Do me a favour (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38216812)

We arent going to roll over and do nothing.We are going to bend over and do whatever the merkins demand

Benefits of an active policy, we... (1)

sociocapitalist (2471722) | more than 2 years ago | (#38224978)

So do you advocate doing nothing? Contrary to what you believe some parts of our security services do work quite well. Of more concern is the apparent declaration of a cyber cold war. I makes me wonder who they intend to target, as presumably there is little point in hacking Chinese companies since they stole all their designs from us in the first place. Actually thinking about it that makes sense, why try to hack your allies for commercial intel when you can hack the Chinese and steal the stuff they already stole from them?

...could hack the Chinese, Russians or whoever to find out what they're doing and how they're doing it in order to better defend against it or to assist in tracking attacks back to their sources for public and political exposure should that prove useful.

...could find out who is already compromised and either help them close the hole(s) or use them to plant misinformation.

...could infiltrate defense infrastructure to be able to disrupt or assume control in the event of a cyber or non-cyber war.

Re:Do me a favour (1)

nhat11 (1608159) | more than 2 years ago | (#38215164)

Yeah right now UK is in chaos since they never stop foreign or non foreign criminals. The system does not work at all.

iPlods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38214538)

"To help establish the necessary skills to do this, the government wants to recruit "cyber-specials." Police forces in the UK already use "Specials"—15,000 part-time police officers, sometimes paid, sometimes not—to augment their numbers."

Re:iPlods (1)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 2 years ago | (#38214816)

Yeah , I never understood someone who wants to be a special. If you want to do charity work join a charity, if you want to save people join the RNLI or something. But why volutarily spend your time dragging drunks into cells and nicking chavs?

Re:iPlods (1)

Nevynxxx (932175) | more than 2 years ago | (#38215630)

It's one way to get a foot into getting into the police force in a capacity *other* than being a bobby on the street. I know a person who did it in an effort to get a job in the comms infrastructure.

Re:iPlods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38216036)

power over the general public, obviously

Re:iPlods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38216558)

Free travel in London, 20% off at Nandos.

Also, you need to be a special first before you can become a regular (met) officer at least, dunno about other forces (sorry, i mean services)

Re:iPlods (1)

EdZ (755139) | more than 2 years ago | (#38216698)

Because in order to join many forces, including the Met, you pretty much have to go through the Specials unless you're transferring from another force.

Re:iPlods (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 2 years ago | (#38220058)

But why volutarily spend your time dragging drunks into cells and nicking chavs?

Ok, I understand the dragging drunks to cells (jail)...but what the hell is a 'chav'....and what is definition of the action 'nicking'?

Thanks!!

:)

Re:iPlods (1)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 2 years ago | (#38223704)

Ok, I understand the dragging drunks to cells (jail)...but what the hell is a 'chav'....and what is definition of the action 'nicking'?

The Google-foo is weak with this one.

Re:iPlods (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#38225208)

But why volutarily spend your time dragging drunks into cells and nicking chavs?

Ok, I understand the dragging drunks to cells (jail)...but what the hell is a 'chav'....and what is definition of the action 'nicking'?

Thanks!!

:)

A chav is a term of abuse for someone of a lower class than you, especially beloved of middle class Daily Meail readers to describe someone younger, better off and better dressed than themselves.

Nicking is a slang term for arresting someone, and was most famously used in The Sweeney in the 70s: "you're nicked, you slag!"

You have obviously never watched any British TV if either of these words are unfamiliar to you.

Re:iPlods (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 2 years ago | (#38225812)

You have obviously never watched any British TV if either of these words are unfamiliar to you.

Only the old original Monty Python shows....

Re:iPlods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38225540)

Grab the suspect with undue force and shouting 'Your nicked you slaaag!' instead of saying ok I'm arresting you and reading miranda rights.

Oh yeah! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38214548)

Don't be scared kids, cyber-things are just overrated...

Best proactie security :) (1)

alukin (184606) | more than 2 years ago | (#38214774)

Well, what they mean saying "proactive"? Best way is to get rid of botnets sitting in each Windows PC across the land. How to do that? Kill owners? :)

Re:Best proactie security :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38215212)

High scope EMP and tax-funded replacements with UKLinux. It won't actually run anything but its own web broweser, but it'll be state approved and capable of using retailer on-line stores.

What are the odds ... (1, Informative)

ciderbrew (1860166) | more than 2 years ago | (#38214876)

What are the odds that they dream up a whole bunch of laws to "protect the children" and then local councils use those laws in a totally different context.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2696031/Anti-terrorism-laws-used-to-spy-on-noisy-children.html [telegraph.co.uk]
Whilst not a news paper - -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1053039/Council-use-anti-terror-laws-spy-binmen-accused-accepting-strawberry-pop-bribe-away-trade-waste.html [dailymail.co.uk]
and many more examples on Google. I don't think I trust them much.

Re:What are the odds ... (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#38225214)

The thing is, if both the Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail oppose something, my inclination would be to support it.

Re:What are the odds ... (1)

ciderbrew (1860166) | more than 2 years ago | (#38225312)

I go one further and try my best never to get opinion from a paper; but I get your point. They have to be right some of the time don't they. Is it possible?

More like "Cyber Strategery" (3, Insightful)

jkyrlach (1076609) | more than 2 years ago | (#38214926)

If you are organizing a cyber division of your military, and one of your first inclinations is to alert the media. your more than likely are going to suck as as an administrator for said cyber division. Either that, or you are just hoping that the mere rumor you have such a division will deter would-be cyber combatants from picking you as a target.

Re:More like "Cyber Strategery" (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | more than 2 years ago | (#38215078)

Because the UK is the first government to rely heavily on media to toot its agenda? Sounds more like they want to further lock down the internet for the people of the UK than actually stop cyber criminals. Big brother is watching.

Re:More like "Cyber Strategery" (2)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 2 years ago | (#38215180)

More accurate headline "Right Wing UK Government Plans to Corporatise The Internet". No longer will individuals have free reign to communicate any way they wish. The Right Wing UK Government, will hand over the internet to corporations. Corporate Mass Media, will once be given the reigns over communication, to once again control who can communicate with whom, how many they can communicate with and what they can say.

The military industrial complex will be given the power, to criminalise discontent, to imprison anti-bank radicals and to name any hostile communications as terrorism with subsequent violent response.

The Right Wing UK Government taking the people out of the internet and putting Multi-National Corporations back in charge.

Here's betting their delusional pro-business 'er' pro corporate psychopath internet, self destructs as a pro ring propaganda network, before they get to lose the next election.

Re:More like "Cyber Strategery" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38216220)

Might want to ask the psychiatrist to up your meds.

Be afraid (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#38215034)

For a country with cameras everywhere in the name of public safety, this surprises me not. It's like Orwell wrote the play.

American hypocrisy (1)

Hentes (2461350) | more than 2 years ago | (#38216696)

I am always amused when Americans claim that filming policemen without their consent then putting it on the Internet for the whole world to see till the end of time is a civil right, but when a camera takes a picture of you that is viewed by at most one policeman (unless there is a warrant), and gets deleted after a few months it's 1984.

Re:American hypocrisy (2)

jkyrlach (1076609) | more than 2 years ago | (#38217032)

Good sir, That is not what makes it 1984. it's when there's an effing camera on every effing street corner all controlled by the state that we scream 1984.But that will change. No one over here reads anymore, so soon no will even know what 1984 is if someone screams it.And yes, being able to film officers in uniform performing duties of their office is a vital check and balance for warding off corrupt or inept uses of power, especially when it's illegal to resist arrest. If you don't think that's important, you deserve what you get.

Re:American hypocrisy (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#38225288)

It's hard to feel much sympathy for someone stupid enough to commit an arrestable offence in front of a CCTV camera. And once you're talking about jackbooted thugs kicking open your door at dawn and disappearing you, they don't exactly rely on fuzzy street camera pics for evidence.

Stasi (2)

CanEHdian (1098955) | more than 2 years ago | (#38215052)

Stricter enforcement of Internet usage restrictions and recruitment of volunteer 'cyber-specials' are also planned."

Three guesses (hint) what that means? I suggest the name "Special TAskforce Security Internet" or STASI, and it will recruit volunteers from the general public to spy on other members of the general public, to make sure they adhere to the Internet "usage restrictions" that are of course necessary to protect the rights holders.

Re:Stasi (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38215170)

Oi! You've a bit of egg on your chin.

FAILZORS? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38215098)

Pooper. Nothing Tangle of fatal thing for the YOU sGET DISTRACTED

I'm sure it will work out.... (2)

Madman (84403) | more than 2 years ago | (#38215124)

So far the UK government has managed to do 0% of the things it says it will do, so I fully expect these measures to go precisely nowhere. Of course they'll annouce several monumenatally draconian and ineffective policies that they will later backtrack on before allowing this initiative to fade away.

Enforcement of Internet usage restrictions (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 2 years ago | (#38215490)

"Stricter enforcement of Internet usage restrictions"
Somehow that strikes me as fostering an environment hostile to online business.

Re:Enforcement of Internet usage restrictions (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#38225304)

"Stricter enforcement of Internet usage restrictions" Somehow that strikes me as fostering an environment hostile to online business.

Online businesses do not give a fuck about restrictions on your ability to download porn and pirate movies.

Two New Cyber-Enforcement Units Added (1)

Shompol (1690084) | more than 2 years ago | (#38215998)

The plan consists of creation of two new dedicated enforcement units:

1. MAFIA Secirity (MAFIA'S) - a dedicated unit charged with protection of music and movie mafia interests. This will solve the shortcomings of former feeble attempts to protect Megacorps of England from the people of England. [slashdot.org]

2. Microsoft Windows National Guard - dedicated agents 008 through 9800 will protect Windows security loopholes around the world. License to Kill will be granted indiscriminately to resolve all outstanding security issues, similar to the way Microsoft Security Essentially operates in US. [computerworlduk.com]

Contradiction (1)

Hentes (2461350) | more than 2 years ago | (#38216606)

military cyberattacks

It's a military attack xor a cyberattack. There is no such thing as "military cyberattack".

Re:Contradiction (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#38225318)

military cyberattacks

It's a military attack xor a cyberattack. There is no such thing as "military cyberattack".

Why? "Cyberattack" just means it's an attack involving computers. "Military attack" just means it;s an attack involving the military. Why shouldn't a cyberattack involve the military, at either end?

Jews... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38216938)

In other words, our Jewish 'masters' are terrified that the internet will continue to become more and more free of THEIR control, and people will finally find out what's going on - that the Jews own our countries, force us to go to war on their (shitty) behalf, take away our freedom of speech (lest we tell others about what they are doing to us, like I'm doing now), and force us to pay for all of this.

Pah (2)

AdmV0rl0n (98366) | more than 2 years ago | (#38217070)

I've worked in IT for 20+ years. During that time, the security of systems has plummeted. The behaviour required to run systems with a level of 'hygiene' and appropriate controls has been systemic and eroding. Most businesses I see have most staff running as Admin, on old Windows machinery. And you can include significant chunks of government and elsewhere in the same state.

Spyware, and malware have reached a state where defenses and defensive measures are overwhelmed, beaten, ineffective - and the sheer scale and size of 'IT' structures out runs all efforts unless they are highly controlled environments. The points mooted by the Foreign minister are deeply delusional. The idea that you'd open up your security to try and encircle the shambles that is the real world computational landscape is erroneous.

The engineers get over-ruled by management, and the scale of the failings are the end result.

Most Chinese Government sponsored actors (and others) are able to walk into the greater number of interesting targets, and circumvent the appalling data protection layering - and take what they like.

And in due course, if you want to see the full scale hilarity and complete lack of knowledge in the area, I expect UK ministers to be signing up to deals with
http://www.huawei.com/uk/ [huawei.com]
in due course. At which point you can take it as read that its business as usual and that nobody who talked about it had any idea about what they are talking about.

Current data systems, and how they are operated from are fundamentally broken, and nobody can fix it as it currently stands. It required whole root and branch rethinking, incluing the idea that software can ship, be sold and be used full of security holes and problems, and the authors can write a license that eradicates all responsibility for it in totality, and the world just goes round building stuff on sand.

Listen to Harry next time (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38217364)

They should also give Harry Pearce the ability to turn off the internet... just in case any more Russian submarines attempt to hack the UKs internet.

Nothing new? (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221134)

Protect MS products with more quality 3rd party AV?
As for letting the GCHQ be seen in public - the UK tried this in the 1990's.
The tracking of EU based crime went very well. All was set for a trial with transcripts from different parts of the EU.
The problem is after the first big public show trial - who of real interest will ever use a mobile or computer in the same sloppy way again?
They pulled back from the trial and the public embraced mobile and net use not really aware of what could be done.
So they can listen to voice prints all they like, look at networks and share with the NSA.
Strange how every UK gov likes to use data collected in a public way only to pull back from their vision of a low crime EU.
They recovered from the Lord Curzon's quotes, the ABC trial, the Brinks Mat bullion robbery trace - the more the GCHQ skill set was seen in public -
the more they risk it going dark again - will they risk a 29 October 1948 "Black Friday" after their next show trial?

hypocracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38221782)

Great every time the britts wage a cyber attack they are noble peace loving vigilantes but when some one else does it they are evil criminals. At least with this kind of strategy (alerting the world) they are probably going to get owned by a serious cyber division.

hypocrisy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38222080)

hypocrisy, typo before.

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