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Inside the World's Largest LAN Party

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the we're-gonna-need-a-bigger-bag-of-doritos dept.

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MrSeb writes "Last weekend, over 12,000 LAN party goers turned up at DreamHack Winter 2011 in Jonkoping, Sweden with a PC under the arm, on their back, or packed carefully in the trunk of their car. Every single attendee is squeezed into just three massive halls — the largest holding 5,000 computers — or four days, only taking brief breaks to sleep or check out one of the many stages (including some of the largest e-sport tournaments of the year). Being the largest LAN party in the world, DreamHack's infrastructure is suitably monumental: it takes days to lay the thousands of cables, and at the heart of the network is tower of Cisco routers that interface with a 120Gbps internet connection provided by Telia."

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Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (5, Funny)

tedgyz (515156) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221662)

Think of the smell.

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (4, Funny)

masternerdguy (2468142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221710)

But it helps grow bacteria. By not bathing, you're creating millions of lives.

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (1)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 2 years ago | (#38223546)

Immaculate Conception!

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38221716)

Says a /. poster. Hilarious.

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (2)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221828)

Check out picture 2, and compare to picture 3.

The air in My Mom's basement never looks that bad.

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (4, Insightful)

compwizrd (166184) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222206)

My guess is picture 3 is the aftermath of the smoke generator you can see is running in picture 1.

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (1, Funny)

517714 (762276) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222938)

More smoked sausage than Oscar Mayer.

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (5, Funny)

MrSeb (471333) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221748)

FWIW, I'm a long-time LANner, and yeah... the smell can sometimes be pretty pungent.

Often the main problem is trying to provide enough showers for 1,000 people or more. Most of these venues are set up to provide showers for just a few people (usually sports athletes or similar). Some LAN parties try to get around this by bringing in a hoard of portable showers (and toilets!), but it's still impossible for everyone to shower in the morning (or evening).

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (1)

anlag (1917070) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221866)

On the positive side, a LAN would be a fairly 'round the clock thing, wouldn't it? Much less so than a sporting event, or even a music festival. Mind you I'd imagine you still have queues - and more than the odd stinker. But then I guess some would say that's part of the atmosphere.

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (4, Informative)

MrSeb (471333) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221996)

Yep, the best way is to go for a shower in the middle of the day, or very late at night.

The main thing is that it's completely pot luck. The showers are usually quite far away from the hall/sleeping area. You can trudge all the way over there to find all of the showers occupied.

It needs a proper, web-based queuing system...

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (2)

LinuxIsGarbage (1658307) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222422)

The current system intentionally encourages exercise! Two or more round trips when you find them occupied.

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38222002)

When I was at Quakecon this summer the smell was really not that bad. Of course, the group I went with were all showering daily, so others may have had a different experience.

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (1)

ziggit (811520) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222714)

Indeed. Me and my friends' corner of the action at Quake Con smelled more like Dr. Pepper and twizzlers than it did sweat.

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (0)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222050)

FWIW, I'm a long-time LANner, and yeah... the smell can sometimes be pretty pungent.

I've never been to a "LAN party". What do they do there? Are they playing a LAN game or just sitting in a big room surfing the web or is it something more...sinister?

Seriously, please tell me what goes on at a LAN party. I'm genuinely curious, though not enough to actually go to one.

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (3, Funny)

bryan1945 (301828) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222158)

LAN - Laxatives And Nudity

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (2)

MrSeb (471333) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222408)

A lot play games, but some people just go to watch TV, movies, surf, or hang out with friends.

There's a fairly big social element to them, too -- it's one of the few places where you can go to a pub/bar and be surrounded by likeminded geeks, for example.

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (5, Informative)

Lotana (842533) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222620)

I never was present at any official, large LAN parties, but I have hosted/attended several back in my high school days for just with close circle of friends. Size was never more than 12 people and the length was about three days. It is actually very simple formula with nothing really interesting or sinister about it

Essentially the host orginised the event based on when his house will be free (ie. Parents out). He would make some space in the living room by moving a couch to the side and getting one or two large tables in with some chairs. Ideally he would also stock up the fridge with drinks and have a hub or a switch (With at least 12 ports).

Attendees must bring with them their computer, monitor, power strip and all the cabling that goes with it. On very rare ocation we would decide during organisation stage on what games would be installed, but in majority of cases everyone would just bring their entire collection of CDs and external hard drives with pirated games. Some extra cables also come in handy because as a rule at least someone will forget a power strip or a network cable.

First half of the day would consist of assembling everyone's machines and installing/copying whatever games we decide we will be playing. Normally everyone would have their drives fully shared, so after the software are installed everyone just browses each other's PCs and external drives for anything interesting to copy (Movies, games, music, porn, etc). Once everyone finishes installing the games/had their fill of copying the we start plaing games. Starcraft, Quake 2, Counter Strike, Total Annihilation were very popular choises.

In terms of food, we would either pool the money for pizzas or car pool to go the nearest shopping centre. In terms of sleeping arrengments everyone just finds a free couch/bed or in worst case on the floor in a sleeping bag. Othervise it is just gaming non-stop with nothing else in the between. That is where the smell comment comes from: By second day of just sitting around eating junk food and gaming everyone starts to smell earthly.

The party ends at the agreed time (Normally at least half a day before parents of the host come back) and that really is it. Large ones are probably vastly different since with more people further organisation will be needed. Entire thing can be held in a net cafe, but then you need to pay and just lacked certain charm. Certanly there won't be any swapping of pirated materials and porn :-)

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (4, Interesting)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#38223318)

that really is it

Oh, then I guess I have indeed been to a LAN party, but just didn't know that's what it was called. I was Resident Faculty at a dorm for a while when I first started teaching. It was before I was married so it was just me and the dog. This was at a small Catholic liberal arts college in the bluffs of Minnesota along the Mississippi, so in the winter there was nothing at all to do outside at night. We'd drag out our computers and play Starcraft or Total Annihilation for hours and hours. Drink Leinenkugel that we bought on the Wisconsin side and eat pizza if we could get a pizzeria from the small nearby town to deliver in the heavy snow.

When we got wasted enough, we'd take cafeteria trays and use them to slide down the side of a rather steep bluff. Then we'd take someone to the hospital. In the wee hours we'd stand on the roof and look at the Northern Lights.

The son of the mayor of a medium-sized city lived in the dorm and always had great weed. The dorm was in a building that was once a monastery. One wing was said to be haunted and a lot of weird stuff did happen over there, but predictably, it usually happened when we were buzzed. I know I was supposed to look out for these kids but really it was all much harmless fun and nobody got hurt. I was a newly-minted academic, just a few years older than my charges. I did occasionally give a little advice and a sympathetic ear, but mostly just made sure nobody went overboard.

OK, so now I know. Those were "LAN parties".

Thanks.

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 2 years ago | (#38223462)

I've never been to a "LAN party". What do they do there? Are they playing a LAN game or just sitting in a big room surfing the web or is it something more...sinister?

Seriously, please tell me what goes on at a LAN party. I'm genuinely curious, though not enough to actually go to one.

It's "offline" multiplayer gaming. Basically instead of everyone sitting at home playing online, they gather up their stuff (PC (usually a desktop), monitor, keyboard, mouse, headphones) and drive to a mutually agreed location. Usually a friend's house, and they set up on a table somewhere (basement/kitchen/etc) and they all go nuts playing multiplayer games.

The only console to really be a part of this would be the Xbox (original) prior to Live. People would haul their Xbox and their TV to a friend's house to enjoy a weekend of gaming (with the Xbox, it was slightly easier as one console and one TV handled 4 people).

They were extremely popular just a decade ago. These days, everyone prefers to sit in their privacy of their own home and play online.

It was so popular that people would build computers designed just for this - portable ones with powerful CPUs and graphics cards and LCD monitors (people used to haul 21" CRTs...). For those who visited the large parties, they often added stuff that let them lock up mice and keyboards and headphones because those had a nasty tendency to walk.

And yes, they were extremely social events.

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38221912)

Think of the snus.

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (1)

Hentes (2461350) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222144)

If they are are true gamers their rigs will provide enough venting.

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (1)

Danathar (267989) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222554)

You mean that haze floating over the crowd in the photo?

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (1)

Freddybear (1805256) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222696)

That's probably from the smoke machines for the laser show. God, I hate those things.

Re:Oh my! All those sweaty geeks in one place. (1)

mixmasta (36673) | more than 2 years ago | (#38223832)

It should be pretty easy to end the sweat immediately during a swedish winter... open the door.

Recipe For Disaster (4, Interesting)

BLT2112 (1372873) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221666)

With all the things that usually go wrong at my LAN parties of 4-8 people, I can only imagine the potential frustration at a gig like this!

Re:Recipe For Disaster (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38221752)

..duplicate name detected, IP address conflict. How many of them forget to switch from static IP addressing to dynamic?

Re:Recipe For Disaster (1)

LinuxIsGarbage (1658307) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222412)

I assume managed switches and such would prevent that from damaging other clients.

Re:Recipe For Disaster (4, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221818)

The power requirements alone must be enormous. Most buildings are simply not wired to handle an inrush of 12000 monitors, and the computers they are hooked to.

It must have required totally separate power structures and a totally separate power feed separate from the building mains. This wasn't held at a typical office building, but rather in an empty-shell type of auditorium.

Check out the air quality in picture 2 vs picture 3.

Re:Recipe For Disaster (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222238)

Check out the air quality in picture 2 vs picture 3.

Yeah.... in retrospect, having Taco Bell provide the catering was a bad idea.

Re:Recipe For Disaster (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38222254)

I'm not sure what the power draw for the average gaming computer is, but I'd think some of the towers+monitors could easily be 300W and the laptops 100W or so.

So lets just say 150W * 12000 attendees = 1.8MW just for the computers

Re:Recipe For Disaster (2)

poly_pusher (1004145) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222316)

Also we aren't talking mid range Dell's with a 400 watt power supply. We're talking fully geeked out gaming systems with video cards that draw up to 400 watts on their own... Including dual and triple GPU configurations, we're talking systems ranging from 600 watts to 1600 watts.

I almost can't believe there wasn't a fire...

Re:Recipe For Disaster (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38223594)

You're looking at what looks like a fully fitted concert venue. The power capacity at such a venue ranges from a few hundred kilowatts up to several megawatts. It looks like a fairly sizeable venue so I'd be fairly sure they have the facility to plumb in off-grid power too.

Re:Recipe For Disaster (1)

Noghlin (1223690) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222638)

This isn't the first time they had it in these buildings, they've had it there since 2001, twice every year. Winter and summer. I've been there every winter from 2001 to 2008. After that I lost interest because every year they did less and less things for us scene-people. I'm pretty sure the buildings are wired up for this by now.

Re:Recipe For Disaster (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38223436)

"Check out the air quality in picture 2 vs picture 3."

Checkout picture 1. The haze is from smoke effects on the stage to the right of the picture. Whoever approved smoke effects in an indoor structure running that many computers should be given a good talking to.

Yeah, pictures are nice. (2)

khasim (1285) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221878)

But I'd rather have seen pictures (and diagrams and configs) of how they laid out the power and switches. And what problems they ran into and how they plan to solve them for the next time they run this.

No matter how much thought and planning you put into the infrastructure, the users will always surprise you with some new problem.

But that setup must have rocked for torrents.

Re:Yeah, pictures are nice. (1)

tedgyz (515156) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222342)

But that setup must have rocked for torrents.

How so? They still have to pull them from the outside. Granted - once inside the LAN, the torrent would run wild.

Re:Yeah, pictures are nice. (3, Interesting)

clarkn0va (807617) | more than 2 years ago | (#38223310)

With a 120 Gbps internet link, the terms "inside" and "outside" kind of lose some of their significance.

Re:Yeah, pictures are nice. (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 2 years ago | (#38223636)

You do realize that's shared between thousands of people? Your slice would probably be 10mbps or so which isn't really all that impressive, especially in countries like Sweden.

what about stoping Theft? (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222036)

with that many people and with stuff that is easy to take and sneak out as well people failing a sleep at the systems is't bond to happen or at least have people try to do it.

Re:what about stoping Theft? (2)

Djehuty3 (1371395) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222228)

You can make a PCI blank with a set of crenellations in; Loop your peripheral cables through said crenellations, padlock your case shut, lock it to the desk and you're good.

You can also buy expansion blanks with the crenellations already in, but you've probably got a load laying about anyway....

Doh, spotted a typo in my own submission... (4, Informative)

MrSeb (471333) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221672)

'or' should be 'for', before 'four days'

Re:Doh, spotted a typo in my own submission... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38221984)

i was watching the Waltons on cable TV, and I thought how cool it would be to jizz all over Michael Learned's face. I'd like to see jizz dripping off her chin. What do you think?

Re:Doh, spotted a typo in my own submission... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38222324)

you sick fuck

DON'T GO IN THE BATHROOM (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38221674)

unless you like glory holes.

120 gbps (5, Interesting)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221692)

where can i get that kind of connection speed, and how much does it cost

Re:120 gbps (1)

Revek (133289) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221730)

Not in the land of the fee and the home of the easy payment plan. Most any other industrialized country, just not here.

Re:120 gbps (5, Informative)

slashmydots (2189826) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221788)

In America, you couldn't get that kind of internet connection even if you had your LAN party inside a major Time Warner Cable network hub. That's slightly exaggerated but only slightly. Sweden has a small physical area and lots of money so just like England, they run fiber everywhere. A population density like that results in REALLY fast network backbones available in close proximity to anything populated or important because it does pay off financially for the ISP.

comcast has fiber runs to it's head ends (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221964)

they use that to feed in channels and to link to the VOD super hubs.

Re:120 gbps (4, Informative)

RzUpAnmsCwrds (262647) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222182)

You can get that kind of Internet connection in the US, and it's done every year for the ACM/IEEE SC trade show.

http://sc11.supercomputing.org/?pg=scinet.html [supercomputing.org]

Re:120 gbps (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38222286)

Well, Sweden is approximately the size of California but with only 9.5 million people, so that brings it to spot 195 in the world when it comes to population density...

Re:120 gbps (2)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 2 years ago | (#38223642)

Look at the areas that are actually populated. While Sweden as a whole averages 20.6 people per square kilometer, the more populous provinces go much higher - Uppland has 111.8/km^2, Sodermanland 146.1/km^2, and so on. That's a population density significantly higher than much of the US - roughly on par with New England.

Another important figure is percentage of population living in an urban area. The US is 82% urban, Sweden 85%. They're essentially similar to the US as far a population density works - they have large, minimally-inhabited areas (Alaska, Lapland), with much of the population concentrated in smaller geographical areas (the East and West coasts for America, the South for Sweden).

Which means the differences in wealth take that much more effect. Not to mention the differences in government and politics - I remind you that the Pirate Party is the third-largest party in Sweden, and most of the others see nothing wrong with people having a proper internet connection.

Re:120 gbps (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38222338)

Sweden is slightly larger than California but has 9 million residents. How is that such an impressive population density?

And yes, the north is less populated than the south of Sweden, but still the bandwidth up there is enough for Facebook to build their new data center there...

Re:120 gbps (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38222740)

If that was the only reason you would have at least 1Gbit for everyone near any large US city. If you look up Sweden you'll see that the population density is later low since it's a bit over 9M ppl on 550,000 km2. Or seen another way: A population 1/4th of California's on an area slightly larger than California.

Re:120 gbps (1)

silas_moeckel (234313) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222194)

About 60k a month if you do not mind cogent. Do not expect to find that much free bandwidth at any single place.

Connectivity (0)

colinrichardday (768814) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221734)

120 Gbps for 12,000 people is only 10 Mbps for each person. Is that enough for gaming?

Re:Connectivity (2)

Spillman (711713) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221764)

When I was in high school and did the LAN party scene we never connected our LANs to the internet. Usually the upper-middle class kids hosted, and they had the expensive "high-speed" internet. Which at that time (2000-2002) was ~2Mbps on cable. Most of the attendees still had dial-up. So connecting the network to the internet was a bad idea, since people quickly forgot the point of a LAN party...

Re:Connectivity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38222056)

Keep in mind that the games that people play these days hardly even count as "LAN" games. Some require a DRM check before each game starts (Starcraft 2) some require a central server to validate gameplay actions (most Steam games) and the list goes on.

Re:Connectivity (2)

MrSeb (471333) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221798)

Plenty. There's still LAN bandwidth too, don't forget (I assume it's 1Gbps locally, but could be 100Mbps... but either way...)

Plus, I'm sure a network bod will chime in and discuss the chances of all 12,000 people using their 10Mbps internet bandwidth allowance at one time...

Re:Connectivity (5, Interesting)

BZWingZero (1119881) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221894)

I suspect the chances of all 12,000 people using their internet bandwidth at the same time was pretty likely. Especially since they asked people to try and max it out at a specific time to set a utilization record.

http://www.dreamhack.se/dhw11/2011/11/22/120-gigabit-at-dhw11/ [dreamhack.se]

Re:Connectivity (1)

Ltap (1572175) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222912)

So it all becomes the world's largest distributed seedbox?

Re:Connectivity (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38221842)

Short answer: yes.

Long answer: 99.99% of the time, yes.

Answer so long it takes an extra long title to even begin it: with the RARE exception, gaming is more about latency then speed. with the exception of some First Person Shooters, a 56K modem is more then sufficient bandwidth to provide an optimal experience. A 128K leased line or a T1 is Ideal, simply because of the technology moving frames of data in guaranteed order TO the ISP, (contrasted to cable/DSL, where your traffic may be buffered if your DSLAM or ADM is oversubscribed and busy) There are a FEW games that bandwidth can make a difference, but anything over 1Mbit is overkill. (clearly excluding the DOWNLOADING of game content, patching, updates, etc. GAMEPLAY consumes very little bandwidth)

Re:Connectivity (1)

ZerXes (1986108) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221928)

Not a problem at all, very few use their bandwith at the full rate. All the participants had 100Mbit accessports, except a few at a Telia VIP table. Still the max bandwith peaked at about 24Gbit/s when highest.

Worlds largest sneakernet (2)

Tynin (634655) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221780)

Even with all of that internet facing bandwidth, I've got to imagine that the sneakernet trading of all things digital must be quite prevalent. Or perhaps I'm just remember what happened at all the LAN parties I went to during my high school years (in the 90's). I wonder if they take any precautions on such things or if they turn a blind eye?

Re:Worlds largest sneakernet (1)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221826)

its not the US so they probably don't care

Re:Worlds largest sneakernet (1)

anlag (1917070) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221830)

I don't strictly know, but to be honest it has got that much easier (and faster!) to get your fill of "all things digital" since the 90s, that if I went I'd probably not give it a second thought but rather enjoy actually being there for the occasion.

Re:Worlds largest sneakernet (1)

Anaerin (905998) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221886)

Enforcing that kind of thing, with that many people around, is next to impossible. Fortunately, most games these days won't connect to multiplayer servers if they've been pirated (unless the server is also modified to allow unauthenticated clients, and an alternate server list is provided/used). But given that LAN bandwidth is considerably greater (100/1000 Mbit, as opposed to 1-5 Mbit) than internet bandwidth (well, usually - in this case, with a 120GB connection maybe not so much), SMB or FTP is a more viable option.

Re:Worlds largest sneakernet (1)

enoz (1181117) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222400)

I think SMB or FTP would choke, both in terms of bandwidth and in terms of concurrent user limitations if your server became even remotely popular in that situation. Also it's hard to play games while your server is being thrashed.

Re:Worlds largest sneakernet (1)

Anaerin (905998) | more than 2 years ago | (#38223120)

Perhaps, though proper QoS on your system could mitigate any bandwidth issues even while playing, and restricting serving to one of the (now many) cores available in modern systems will ensure the load is minimal. But do bear in mind you have to sleep sometimes. So while you're asleep, your rig can be serving content to all comers.

Re:Worlds largest sneakernet (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222444)

Quakecon (BYOC population 3000 or so, vs 5000 for this lan party) lived and breathed DC++. I'm pretty sure there's a video of the Mister Sinus show getting the entire drunken and rowdy crowd to should "Dee-Cee PLUS PLUS!" over and over. I've never used DC++ outside of Quakecon, but it's use was so prolific that they outright banned it by name in 2011. Bandwidth was never an issue. Many people would set their max upload speed to 0.001kbps for fear of degrading their ping during gaming.
 
People would buy multiple 2TB hard drives just for quakecon. People would slurp up 6-10TB of media over four days... they are probably still busy catching up and watching all that material from 2009!

Oy (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38221850)

Worlds Largest Congregation of Male Virgins

Re:Oy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38221982)

Setting Virgin Records

Again scandinavia. (1, Offtopic)

unity100 (970058) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221864)

Curious stuff, breakthroughs, firsts, innovation much more in percentage compared to their size and resources.

america on the other hand is still busy with giving 72% of every economic value to 1% of its society, whereas 85% gets to eat dirt with getting only 15%. glorious system. makes one want to 'innovate'.

http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html [ucsc.edu]

Re:Again scandinavia. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38222018)

And in Scandinavia, 100% of people pay 90% in taxes.

Re:Again scandinavia. (3, Insightful)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222216)

That's because the Scandinavian definition of happiness doesn't include being jobless and in tens of thousands of dollars of debt, buying big screen TV's and ridiculously huge pickup trucks with money they don't have.

They are doers. Not in the sense that they blow the shit out of anybody they don't like, because they are not greedy grabby dreamers supporting a Ponzi-esque economy built around the war machine and monetary voodoo as Americans are. And that, with all of Scandinavia's evil socialism and double-up gas prices, is why the Nords are happy with a high standard of living.

But keep spending all of your soon-to-expire unemployment money on lottery tickets while watching Cribs, you will win big before you have to move back in with momma. You can almost smell the money now.

Re:Again scandinavia. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38222428)

If I had to choose between 30% tax while being food insecue(as the kids call it) and have trouble paying rent or paying 90% tax and having healthcare, stable housing, and a full stomach. I know what I would choose(speaking of which, how is the immigration situation in Sweden? and How difficult is the Swedish language for a native English speaker?).

Re:Again scandinavia. (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38222908)

The taxation in Sweden is significant, but you have to earn a lot of money to cross 50% taxation in Sweden, and it's capped at ~56% on income if you exclude employers extra costs.

Immigration to Sweden from the EU is extremely simple. From the US it's a bit more work, but should be quite doable. Swedish is from the same language tree as English so written language is doable. The spoken language is one of the few with a song-song intonation and can be quite hard to get right.

Re:Again scandinavia. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38223000)

http://www.migrationsverket.se/info/start_en.html
You don't need to speak the native language in Sweden as long as the people understand your accent ;)
Joke aside, the people I have talked to that moved from -the land of the free- across the pond to Sweden and wanted to learn the language did so without major problems. Depending on what sector you will work in, you will not encounter any problems if it take you some extra time to learn the language.
As to all people that speaks English(or any other language for that matter) as a second/third/[...] language; It might be hard to be spontaneous and express feelings in a non-native language. So learning the language of the natives is all ways recommended in that sense.

Best regards
AC

Re:Again scandinavia. (3, Insightful)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222028)

I don't know why you were modded down for that unfortunate truth. Hell, I'm a true American patriot, and I was just about to respond to all of the "lack-of-hygiene" top posts with the fact that Scandinavians aren't fat, doughy, yeasty, disgusting pigs like Americans are - Scandinavians actually respect their bodies and take fitness very seriously, and that's where I plan to move when America finally goes all Third-Reich on the world.

I was going to try to prove Scandinavian fitness with event pictures, but of course, there were too many fat-ass non-Scandinavians reinforcing bad stereotypes about gamers. For instance, the Pot-bellied pig [expo2010.se] seen at the front right of that pic. Does he really need another Sprite?

Wow. some truly happy people there. (4, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 2 years ago | (#38221898)

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/107245-inside-the-worlds-largest-lan-party/16 [extremetech.com]

check out the eyes of the guys laughing. thats a real laugh, and their eyes are shining with real happiness. been a while since i saw such people in media images.

Re:Wow. some truly happy people there. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38222046)

That or drugs.

Re:Wow. some truly happy people there. (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222124)

their eyes are not dull or lacking concentration. or not overstimulated. thats no drug eye.

Power and Heat? (1)

juventasone (517959) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222150)

Those aren't your sub-100W corporate boxes. Rough calculations for gaming PSUs on 230V would be tens of thousands of amps. And good thing it's winter in Sweden!

Re:Power and Heat? (1, Troll)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222494)

I know that quakecon (about 3000 pcs + displays) brings in multiple generators on semi trucks. All the computers are run from diesel generators that are brought in from offsite, and the only grid power being used is for the air conditioning and the lighting of the building. The odd thing is that a modern 24" display draws about 1.5 amps, roughly what your computer draws. Even a "phat gaming rig" with dual video cards only pulls about 550 watts/1.2 amps while running the water cooler pump and spinning forty 30mm multi-color LED fans. Most 1000w power supplies are only running at 50% capacity, which means they are only working about about 60-70% efficiency, where a properly sized 600w power supply would be running at 80-90% efficiency.

Re:Power and Heat? (2)

rev0lt (1950662) | more than 2 years ago | (#38223234)

A modern 23" (TFT) display draws less than 40W in use, so at 230V it would be 0.17A. A proliant DL160 with 4 SATA disks and 1xXeon (not a gaming rig!) draws around 160W at bootup. A modern workstation (i3-i5-i7) draws around 70-120W. I have no idea about high-end graphic cards.
The electrical setup shuldn't be that different from one major venue such as stadio concert or music festival - industrial size diesel generators, usually available at up to 1000kW or more, and somewhat easy to rent. 1000kW is almost enough for 5000 computers at a conservative estimate of 200W of real consumption per unit.

Re:Power and Heat? (2)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 2 years ago | (#38223354)

I measured the electrical load of every computer in our office. That's a lot of computers. I have the spreadsheets to back it up :)
 
  Power draw for a standard 17" 4:3 dell LCD display is 0.7 amps, computers are almost universally 1.2-1.3 amps regardless of era. A dell 30" display draws nearly 1.8 amps. 22-24" displays draw 1.5 amps. Again, not theoretical, this is actually metered. We used both a kill-a-watt and clamp meters to independently verify the results.

Re:Power and Heat? (1)

rev0lt (1950662) | more than 2 years ago | (#38223520)

Yeah, I also usually measure the equipment, both desktop and server material. The values I gave you earlier were ballparks from different measures.
A Dell LCD that draws 0.7A at 230V would be consuming 161W - That's more than a 19" CRT. I think you may have measured 0.07A (70 mA) and not 0.7A (700 mA). Check out http://www.dell.com/pt/p/dell-e170s/pd [dell.com] , this 17" monitor is rated at around 17W, consistent with the possibility of wrong measurement.

Re:Power and Heat? (2)

queazocotal (915608) | more than 2 years ago | (#38223334)

You misunderstand how switching power supplies work.
They have a sticker number '1000W' - this is (ideally) the maximum amount of power they supply.
They will also have an efficiency curve, which may vary from - say - 50% at 10W to 90% at 700W, and 80% at 1000W.

The important thing is the efficiency at the amount the load draws.
If the efficiency is 90%, the load draws 600W, then the amount drawn from the line is 660W.
If the load draws 600W, with a 600W power supply that's 80% efficient, it's 750W.

Cisco 2950T-48 Switches (5, Informative)

Andrew Lindh (137790) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222266)

One of the photos shows a Cisco 2950T-48 that provides 48 10/100 ethernet ports with 2 GigE uplink ports. This seems like a simple setup for lots of tables. Drop a switch at each table and feed run one cable back to the core switch for the area. If Cisco provided 300 of these switches that gives you 14400 100meg ports for users. Then a few core switches with a stack of non-blocking GigE ports and some 10GB or 40GB uplink ports to the core routers. Easy... I'm sure several companies (or universities) had similar setups. The amazing thing is the built it as a temporary setup. The real job is providing safe power and cooling for all users.... maybe next time they can provide PoE for everyone and require "green" computers! http://www.dreamhack.se/dhw11/files/2011/11/20111122_M1n1M0nk3y_Building_DreamHack_0226.jpg [dreamhack.se]

Re:Cisco 2950T-48 Switches (2)

Danathar (267989) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222582)

You are right about that. The power requirements when you get to those scales end up being in many cases more difficult than the networking portion.

Cooling is another story...I'd imagine at that latitude it's pretty cold outside. Pretty easy to fan in super cold air from the outside. Or maybe they did not need to? The computers provided heat for the building and excess was just faned out instead of in.

Re:Cisco 2950T-48 Switches (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38222656)

Proof that global warming is caused by humans.

Re:Cisco 2950T-48 Switches (1)

rev0lt (1950662) | more than 2 years ago | (#38223248)

There are other temporary setups that need a lot of power - construction, live venues, festivals, etc. Getting the required power is not that difficult.

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Do Want! (1)

MacGyver2210 (1053110) | more than 2 years ago | (#38222610)

with a 120Gbps internet connection

How do I get one of these run into my apartment?

Re:Do Want! (1)

rev0lt (1950662) | more than 2 years ago | (#38223258)

Apparently you need to invite 5000 nerds into your apartment so you can persuade the ISP to endorse you. If you do it, don't use the bathroom.

That's even more impressive than.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38223270)

Geforce LAN 6 on the USS hornet.

I was there, and it was a thing of beauty.. They had a 1gbit fiber connection, 600+ gamers, and it was on the hanger deck of the USS Hornet. Best LAN I've ever been to.. Good thing, to, as I had to drive 1000 miles to be there.. :)

Lan Parties are Dead (4, Informative)

Renraku (518261) | more than 2 years ago | (#38223364)

Back when I was younger, I used to go to LAN parties all the time. Typically with friends, at their place, but twice I went to a big LAN party. In each of the big LAN parties, the drama was almost more overwhelming than the BO. It was like being in a room full of three-days-unbathed tween drama queen girls that were obese and all used to being the center of their own worlds. Tempers flared easily when no one was around to bring everyone snacks and drinks and take away their piss jugs.

And the thievery. God Jesus did shit ever get stolen. Dozens of people got their shit stolen at both of the big LAN parties I went to. Apparently some shady people would show up with shitty computers, set up a place, and then go around looting. No one would ever think to stop them from walking out with a computer or hardware, because people were doing it all the time. Oh, and the poopsockers. You couldn't play a strategy game without being cheesed to death immediately at the beginning of the game. People with superior skills would send a worker unit over to harass and maybe kill your guys before you could get a soldier out, and then thirty seconds later be in your base with late game units. Oh, and the cheating. People wouldn't admit that their 100% headshot rate and 100:0 kill/death ratio was fake. When they did, cue drama and usually violence.

In short, fuck big LAN parties. They have none of the charm of the small group gaming sessions, and all of the downsides of playing with a bunch of socially inept nerds with strange senses of humor.

Re:Lan Parties are Dead (2)

Khan48 (1848996) | more than 2 years ago | (#38223690)

Is this a troll or did you go to LAN parties in the projects? In all seriousness every large LAN I've been to has had no more awkward "nerds" than your average lecture hall or bus ride out in the real world. Some LAN parties have been run poorly others great but LAN parties are dead in about the same way PC gaming is claimed to be dead every 3 years.

tl;dr (0)

cultiv8 (1660093) | more than 2 years ago | (#38223484)

Is this the new fuckin' DNS or what?

Re:tl;dr (1)

cultiv8 (1660093) | more than 2 years ago | (#38223490)

The World's Largest LAN Party after I read a few more lines.

Re:tl;dr (1)

cultiv8 (1660093) | more than 2 years ago | (#38223508)

This is a conversation with myslef. WOHOO! Of course I'm talking about distributed DNS [slashdot.org] .
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