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NVIDIA's Tegra 3 Outruns Apple's A5 In First Benchmarks

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the no-processor-left-behind dept.

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MojoKid writes "NVIDIA's new Tegra 3 SoC (System on a Chip) has recently been released for performance reviews in the Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime Android tablet. Tegra 3 is comprised of a quad-core primary CPU complex with a 5th companion core for lower-end processing requirements and power management. The chip can scale up to 1.4GHz on a single core and 1.3GHz on up to four of its cores, while the companion core operates at 500MHz. It makes for a fairly impressive new tablet platform and offers performance that bests Apple's A5 dual-core processor in more than a few tests. The Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime with optional keyboard dock and NVIDIA's Tegra 3 is set to be available in volume sometime around December 19th."

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Transformer Rocks... (1, Informative)

Tsingi (870990) | about 2 years ago | (#38226192)

I have the first Transformer, I'm very pleased with it.

But (5, Funny)

maroberts (15852) | about 2 years ago | (#38226280)

I have the first Transformer, I'm very pleased with it.

Does it change into a car or plane when you need it to?

Re:But (0)

poetmatt (793785) | about 2 years ago | (#38226998)

If you are an iphone user, it changes into an apple.

Re:Transformer Rocks... (1)

Tsingi (870990) | about 2 years ago | (#38226556)

For another Apple Android stats interpretation war, read on...

Re:Transformer Rocks... (1)

FunkyELF (609131) | about 2 years ago | (#38226954)

If the transformer could dual boot into a real Linux desktop environment or if android had a "desktop" application then it could compete with Windows 8.
From what I've seen of Android (I've had a MyTouch and now a G2) I'm not sure how much use I'd get out of the keyboard / trackpad.
I like the idea... hopefully these things will come. But even if X or Wayland was running inside of Android, wouldn't you still need all the GNU userland?

You know why Apple's winning? It's not about specs (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226212)

*sigh*

Tegra 3 is faster than the A5? Whoopty-doo. You know why Apple is winning the tablet and phone market? Here's a hint: It's not about specs anymore. When it comes to tablets, people don't care about benchmarks or who's got the fastest RAM. We (Slashdot geeks) might, but the rest of the world couldn't give a flying fuck. It's about user experience. And Apple's got that all wrapped up in a pretty little bow. Whereas none of their competitors do (HP came close, and we'll see about Ice Cream Sandwich but my educated guess is "probably not good enough for the average person").

So yeah, run all the benchmarks you want NVIDIA, but when it comes down to actual concrete sales, Apple's still going to eat you for breakfast.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (2, Insightful)

danbob999 (2490674) | about 2 years ago | (#38226240)

Apple is currently ahead in the tablet market. They also had the best performing tablet when it came out. The Prime might be better but it's about 9 months after the iPad2.
Apple is currently being outsold by almost 2:1 by Android phones. Android phones are also the best performing phones out there.

If Apple's user experience was that much better, and specs didn't matter anymore, then why isn't Apple winning the phone race too?

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226298)

Does Apple outsell Android phones on carriers where both are offered?

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (1)

Totenglocke (1291680) | about 2 years ago | (#38226418)

Only on AT&T and that's because (until they lost the iPhone exclusivity agreement recently), they intentionally carried only lower end Android phones and disabled features like side-loading apps.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (3, Informative)

Andy Dodd (701) | about 2 years ago | (#38226552)

Yeah, Android is doing very well on Verizon because VZW put more effort into Android back when AT&T had iPhone exclusivity.

For a LONG time it was clear that AT&T was intentionally holding back Android device releases to avoid pissing off Apple. What Android devices AT&T had were either way underspecced or had massive carrier crippling.

AT&T is still pretty bad in this regard. What Apple's worst nightmare should be is some manufacturer growing big enough balls to tell AT&T to go fuck themselves as far as carrier mangling goes.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226704)

All true, but it turns out the manufacturers like to mangle the phones too. Sure, they don't want to put VCAST this, V-CRAP that on it. But they want to put Blur, TouchWiz, and Sense on them (plus whatever the garbage one that LG uses). All of these are annoyances that just add bugs. They don't believe they can differentiate themselves sufficiently by just making good hardware. They have to crap the phones up, make them slow, etc. and compete on "whose is the least f'ed up" instead.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (2)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#38226940)

All true, but it turns out the manufacturers like to mangle the phones too. Sure, they don't want to put VCAST this, V-CRAP that on it. But they want to put Blur, TouchWiz, and Sense on them (plus whatever the garbage one that LG uses). All of these are annoyances that just add bugs. They don't believe they can differentiate themselves sufficiently by just making good hardware. They have to crap the phones up, make them slow, etc. and compete on "whose is the least f'ed up" instead.

I've recently been happy with a sony-e xperia product. sure, they put some crap on it, but it's mostly widgets and downloading a home screen replacement from the market works wonders too, so I don't actually see any of the sony-e brand stuff. and least they didn't fuck up listviews.

oh and perhaps, just perhaps people would be more interested in if it beats exynos, not a5.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226318)

On a phone vs. phone basis, Apple is winning. They have the top selling phones, but since there are roughly 12,000 different Android phones, they combined to sell more than Apple's handful of phones. Up until the past year, the iPhone was also only available on AT&T domestically, but now it's on Verizon and Spring (and setting sales records). They also introduced a new price point this year on AT&T for the 3GS of ~$0 (on contract) which should give them yet another foot in the door. And, to top it all off, the iOS userbase is even larger since there are millions of iPod touches out there. Are there any successful non-phone handheld Android devices?

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (1)

danbob999 (2490674) | about 2 years ago | (#38226434)

Your speaking as if releasing 12,000 different phone models was some sort of cheating. It isn't.
And the world isn't only the US. Yes AT&T had the iPhone exclusivity in the US but in many other countries it's the opposite. Here in Canada the iPhone is the only phone on all carriers. Android phones tend to be released on a single carrier and often 6 months late (after an European/US launch), which gives a huge advantage to the iPhone.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (5, Insightful)

DrgnDancer (137700) | about 2 years ago | (#38226658)

It's not cheating, but it's (non-deliberately) deceptive when it comes to the measures that matter to companies. "Android" is not a model of phone any more than "Windows" is a model of computer. Even with only 5-7% of the computer market, Apple has been one of the more profitable computer manufacturers for the last decade or so. Compare Windows to OSX and Apple is clearly "losing". Compare Mac sales to Dell sales or HP sales and Apple is doing almost phenomenally well. Similarly with phones. iOS is "losing" to Android by a lot of measures, but Apple is doing better than any other vendor of smartphones. Apple is "winning in the phone market" because they consistently make and sell more phones than any one other vendor (and probably make more money per phone to boot). They aren't necessarily winning in the phone OS market, but that's OK.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (2)

danbob999 (2490674) | about 2 years ago | (#38226738)

You might have an argument for investing into Apple over Dell/HP/Microsoft. But you certainly don't have an argument about why a consumer should be getting an Apple device.

The fact that Microsoft is winning the PC OS war and that Google is winning the phone OS war are useful metrics on their own. It might just not be the numbers you are looking to as an investor, but that doesn't mean that they are irrelevant.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (3, Insightful)

Karlt1 (231423) | about 2 years ago | (#38226844)

The fact that Microsoft is winning the PC OS war and that Google is winning the phone OS war

How is Google "winning" when 66% of Google searches on mobile come from iOS device:

http://www.gadgetvenue.com/google-mobile-searches-made-up-of-66-ios-09223009/ [gadgetvenue.com]

And after spending billions on development, buying MMI, and patents they still only make $6 dollars per phone?

Especially when the most popular Android tablet (the Amazon Fire) uses no Google services?

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (1)

danbob999 (2490674) | about 2 years ago | (#38226918)

They are winning because they are on more smartphones being sold these days. Remember I said phones, not mobile devices. Apple is still winning the tablet and the MP3 player war.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (1)

Karlt1 (231423) | about 2 years ago | (#38226992)

So if Google gives away Android with the hopes of recouping costs via advertising, then how are they "winning" if 66% of mobile searches come from Apple -- to whom they reportedly pay $100 Million/ a year to be the default search provider?

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (1)

danbob999 (2490674) | about 2 years ago | (#38227016)

Android is winning. Whether this turns out into profits for Google or not is an other issue.
Just like IE for Microsoft. It is still the most popular browser so they are winning. It's a free browser so it's unclear if they make any money with it, especially since Google remains the most popular search engine.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (5, Insightful)

ICLKennyG (899257) | about 2 years ago | (#38227028)

If that's true, why can I buy 100,000 battery cradles, camera add ons, cases, credit card readers, sushi makers and personal massager extensions for my iphone but there are barely any Android specific accessories besides a few cases and some carrier marketed dash/desk mounts. I'll tell you why. The Samsung Galaxy S II HD Prime XD Touch SDHC AMOLED+ Carbon Fibre Edition (tm) doesn't use the same peripherals as the Nexus Prime Squared Factorial 4. The iPhone 4 and 4s have given accessories manufacturers essentially 1 shape/interface with which to build an accessory for a potential market of 100m+ users.

Great Android selling phones do about 10% of a single iPhone model. There are 3 significant iPhone models still in the wild and 2 of them and 90+% of the volume are the same form factor. Is there a Moto Droid RAZR Deli Slicer 7.1 Kevlar port in your car? No, but my Elantra came with an iPhone dock (as does about 70% of US automobiles.)


If we can actually get to TFA! Shocker that a chip that has only been available in engineering samples is outpacing a chip that shipped in a device in March. So in other news, chips get faster over time? Shocked. Even if this were important (and it isn't) this is not a fair fight. All it does is give Apple a benchmark/target to aim for with the A6 or what ever it will be that they ship in the iPad 3 in about 3-4 months, which oh by the way, will be showing up about the same time that a device with this chip in it makes it to market too.

It's not just about chip speed. It's about battery life, user experience, polish, and efficiency. The quicker the Android licensees stops marketing their phones like they are hocking graphics cards in 2004 the sooner one of them will have an individual hit.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226892)

You're right that Android is an OS while the iPhone is hardware, but nobody is stopping Apple from open sourcing (or even licensing for a fee) their operating system to those 12,000 handset manufacturers. Similarly nobody is stopping Apple from offering a range of handsets to meet different requirements and different budgets and trying to capture more of those niche markets. Apple chooses to do neither because their current model is profitable, and this is probably the right move for them, but it's still a truism that phones with the Android OS outsell Apple phones - there's nothing deceptive about it. In a way, Android's strength in the market place is its diveristy while Apple's is arguably its lack of diversity.

Not cheating, just bad metrics (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#38226714)

Your speaking as if releasing 12,000 different phone models was some sort of cheating. It isn't.

Of course it's not cheating. But what it is doing is making the metric meaningless. Yes technically you can say Android is shipping more devices, but when you don't know how many are not really being used as a smartphone, or with apps at all to claim it's equivalent to iPhone sales is madness.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226378)

They are. They make the most profits and are single most successful vendor. All Android enthusiasts seem to make the same logical fallacy over and over again.
Android is not a company. It's completely irrelevant if 200 companies combined can outsell one (1) company if that single company outsells each of them individually. Just because Motorola and Samsung makes Android phones doesn't mean they are BFFs. Every single Android phone maker competes with all the other Android vendors. Apple makes 52% of all the whole phone profits. All the other 200 phone maker have to share the remaining 48%.
Apple IS winning. No one except Fanbois is interested in combined market share of some random companies. Companies thrive for profits, not marketshare. They are often correlated, but not necessarily.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (2, Insightful)

danbob999 (2490674) | about 2 years ago | (#38226524)

What is irrelevant, from a user perspective, is the amount of profit that a company makes. In fact, if the company I buy a phone from loose money on every sale, it probably means that I made a better deal. If on the other hand they make a 50% profit, I probably got screwed. I never understood how Apple users could be proud of Apple making such a high profit. I never saw anyone proud of buying oil from ExxonMobile because they make more profit than the competition.
I don't care if there a 1 or 200 companies selling phones for a platform. What I cares about is the popularity of that platform since it gives a good indication of upcoming support (by application developers). I wouldn't buy a WP7 or a WebOS device even if I liked the OS because of that. Those platform don't have a guaranteed future. But most importantly what matters the most is who makes the best phone for my needs. I don't care who makes it.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (-1, Flamebait)

hedwards (940851) | about 2 years ago | (#38226734)

I'd mod you down to oblivion if I had any mod points.

The fact that there's competition between vendors is a good thing for the consumers and it's one of the reasons why Apple's being outsold by such a heavy margin. Different manufacturers have different strategies and it means that if I don't want to buy an HTC handset I can buy a Samsung or LG handset without having to move to a different platform.

As for profit, that's one dimension, but personally, I like to know that if my preferred vendor goes tits up or decides to change the product in a way that I don't like that I can move to a different vendor without having to give up all my apps. You still can't do that with Apple and probably never will.

At the end of the day though, you're just a run of the mill Apple fanbois, don't expect any of that to sink in.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (1)

paxprobellum (2521464) | about 2 years ago | (#38226382)

Apple took home 52% of Q3 Smartphone Profits on just *4.2% market share* (source: forbes.com 11/4/2011). I'd pretty much call that "winning". For comparison, Samsung and Apple basically ship the same number of phones. But Samsung captured just 29% of the profit. Apple's making almost double in profit per phone.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226508)

If you're making them for less than $200 and selling them for about $850, you are going to make money. So, just saying...

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (2)

AJH16 (940784) | about 2 years ago | (#38226548)

The irony is that while more people prefer android to iOS in the phone market now, people continue to point to Apple winning because they still have more profits as if that is a good thing. It really means they are giving you less for your money that isn't any better and thus they make more money. Popular opinion has already shown that people don't prefer iOS to Android, just that Apple has better marketing at getting people to overspend. Good for shareholders, not for consumers and fanboyz.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (2)

Karlt1 (231423) | about 2 years ago | (#38226780)

It really means they are giving you less for your money that isn't any better and thus they make more money.

I personally paid the same $200 for my $699 phone as an Android user paid for his $499 phone and pay the same monthly fee.

Why should I care that the carrier had to pay a higher subsidy to Apple?

Popular opinion has already shown that people don't prefer iOS to Android

Cite?

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (1)

danbob999 (2490674) | about 2 years ago | (#38226570)

And only a fanboy would be proud of such a "win". Next time you buy an iPhone, give an extra $200 to Apple. This way, they will "win" even more.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (1)

slaker (53818) | about 2 years ago | (#38226820)

The thing that's been discussed along those lines is that Apple had a couple years to get its supply chain in order before the release of the iphone. Everybody else has been playing catch up by trying to combine off the shelf components in the most appealing fashion they can. Since no one has really found a magic recipe for building a perfect Android/WinMo phone and everyone wants to differentiate their product somehow, economies of scale and supply chain efficiencies haven't really been working in anyone's favor.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226580)

Apple is winning the revenue per sale and revenue per app store sale. So while us nerds don't care about these numbers, the businesses do.

If I want to make the most amount of money, I'll build my apps for the iPad/iPhone. If I want a little more money I'll crosscompile it to Android 4, but nothing less. See this is the problem. The hardware vendors really don't give a shit about trying to maintain a consistent user experience from Android device to Android device, and any software targeted for 4 isn't going to work on any older devices. If I target the iPhone, it runs on all of them.

So what is the best use of my time? iOS.

Don't get me wrong, we need to see the exit of all the shitty I-don't-give-a-fuck Android manufacturers who are only using Android because it's free. And once building Android apps in C/C++ is like building iOS apps in C/C++/OBJC, I'd expect Android to largely be the Microsoft Windows of the Tablet world.

But that's not happening any time soon. 95% or so of iPhone/iPad users are satisified compared to like 60% for Android. That tells me that Android development should not be a priority and get the iOS version out first.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (1)

danbob999 (2490674) | about 2 years ago | (#38226674)

Write your app for iOS. And sell it for $100 if you want. I don't care, because I won't buy it. I am sure that there are free alternatives that are just as good anyway.
Good for you if some people actually buy your app by the way. Good for you if it makes you rich. But I don't see why I would buy an iOS product because of that. I am not going to buy your app anyway.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (1)

funfail (970288) | about 2 years ago | (#38226672)

Could it be that Android phones are cheap?

One may argue that Android tablets are also cheaper, but a phone is (almost) a necessity, whereas a tablet is a luxury item. If you have to buy something, you go buy the one you can afford. If you don't have to, you just wait to be able to afford the one you actually like.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (1)

yodleboy (982200) | about 2 years ago | (#38226766)

"If Apple's user experience was that much better, and specs didn't matter anymore, then why isn't Apple winning the phone race too?"

There might be a few reasons... One, some people hate Apple and will never by a phone from them. Two, some people don't want to look like a trendy boob and will buy anything but an iPhone to avoid that, even if they like the iPhone. Three, some people aren't willing to pay that much for a phone. Finally, some people just don't care. They aren't going to switch carriers for an iPhone, they just go into the store and grab whatever is on offer.

I think those add up to a lot of Android sales. My wife and I both switched from iPhone to Android phones. She was skeptical, but she really likes it now. I must have heard "oh, it just lets me do that" 50 times the first week. It was very liberating for her, especially not being tethered to iTunes. Oddly enough the only thing i think we really miss is the easy backup/restore process iTunes does. It's not as simple a task on Android.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (1)

yodleboy (982200) | about 2 years ago | (#38226792)

meant to say, those reasons alone probably add up to a lot of Android sales and none of them have anything to do with user experience.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (0)

durrr (1316311) | about 2 years ago | (#38226284)

You compare a just released chip to an Apple product. I'm going to skip explaining how and why you're wrong and just skip to calling you a moron:
You're a moron!

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226308)

It's funny that the reason Apple is winning always changes whenever something comes out that bests something that was previously stated as one of those reasons. The walled garden, and UI are always those reasons, but performance was too.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (1)

Alwin Henseler (640539) | about 2 years ago | (#38226310)

Here's a hint: It's not about specs anymore.

You're right... they should just throw a MHz-clocked tablet out there for the enthusiast crowd.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (1)

robthebloke (1308483) | about 2 years ago | (#38226786)

If it was based on the z80, I'd buy one.....

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226320)

Winning? Apple is winning when they are losing market share?

They are by no means winning, but damn those are some low standards you got... phanboi

Whereas none of their competitors do (HP came close, and we'll see about Ice Cream Sandwich but my educated guess is "probably not good enough for the average person")...

Please do elaborate on how HP came close...

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226424)

If you're one of Apple's phone competitors, these charts [asymco.com] should make you burst into tears. Apple is making 2/3 of the total profits in the entire industry, even if they aren't selling 2/3s of the phones.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (-1, Troll)

AJH16 (940784) | about 2 years ago | (#38226594)

If you are any sane human being who understands the value of money and the fact that Apple clearly isn't giving it, then you should burst in to tears. They are losing market share because people don't prefer their products and they charge substantially more than the devices cost to build and develop, so they are laughing their way to the bank. Luckily, the majority of people appear to still understand the value of money, but the "Apple phenomenon" takes away any doubt as to why the modern world is in such financial trouble.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (4, Insightful)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 2 years ago | (#38226768)

I fucking hate people like you who let their hatred blind them. No matter how you feel about the company, they make WORLD CLASS systems. To totally disparage the technical merits of what they do because of how they market is childish. If Apple made products that didnt work very well, we wouldnt really talk about them on slashdot.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226886)

If Apple made products that didnt work very well, we wouldnt really talk about them on slashdot.

Not being able to hold the phone while using it because you block the antenna kind of fit my definition of 'didn't work very well'. Only Steve Jobs could get away with something like that, imagine the ridicule if a new Android phone had been released which cost much more than comparable phones and had a similar flaw.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226784)

If I have a choice between a $200 iPhone and a $200 HTC smartphone, it doesn't matter to me how much each one makes on it. It's not my fault HTC has to pay a tax to Microsoft for patents, or that they don't have the ability to lock in lower prices on components like Apple does. But it does matter to the phone manufacturers.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (1)

jellomizer (103300) | about 2 years ago | (#38226966)

"Apple phenomenon" takes away any doubt as to why the modern world is in such financial trouble."

People buying a product they like, causing financial trouble?

Apple is loosing market share because increase competition. Apples iPhone had a 2 year head start over the other phones. That was 2 years of being the only player in the game. Then the competition came out. Naturally people will buy the other devices.

Apple has always released the Cadillac of personal computing. Just like Cadillac's they may not be the fastest, or have the most impeded features but it has the right amounts placed in a way that makes it luxurious. Now some of the competing products are making their versions of Honda's, Toyota's, Ford's... Which are nice and have features that are better then the Cadillac but still they are not the Cadillac.

     

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | about 2 years ago | (#38226880)

Winning all the way to the poorhouse :

Motorola Mobility revenue misses, net loss narrows [reuters.com]
Samsung phone sales drop 14%, profit drops 30% [electronista.com]
HTC Is In Big Trouble: It Just Slashed Revenue Guidance Again [businessinsider.com]

Just like PC vendors did under Windows' dominance.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#38226360)

When it comes to tablets, people don't care about benchmarks or who's got the fastest RAM. We (Slashdot geeks) might, but the rest of the world couldn't give a flying fuck. It's about user experience.

Did you even see what Transformer actually is? There's nothing even remotely close to that in "Apple experience" today.

And, as it happens, this story isn't about devices - it's about chipsets. If you don't care about that, why bother to post? This is Slashdot, after all. News for nerds.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226388)

Whistling as hard as you can past the graveyard aren't you?
 

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (4, Insightful)

Totenglocke (1291680) | about 2 years ago | (#38226400)

Apple is "winning" the tablet war for two reasons:

1) They had a good year lead in entering the market (actually more since the first Android tablets weren't designed to be tablets and were released against Google's recommendation).

2) They have a cult of fanboys who would literally buy anything with the Apple logo on it and those people then pressure other people to get Apple products to "be cool".

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226430)

Here, I FTFY

A 1.3GHz quad-core is faster than a 800MHz dual-core? Whoopty-doo. You know why people buy Apple products? Here's a hint: It's not about specs anymore. When it comes to computers, tablets and phones, people don't care about benchmarks or who's got the fastest RAM. We (Slashdot geeks) might, but the rest of the world couldn't give a flying fuck. It's about user experience. And Apple's got that all wrapped up in a pretty little bow tie. Because bow ties are cool. Whereas none of their competitors do (Windows 7 came close, but they're too moronic to realize that all the pretty animations in Mac OS X serve a purpose, so they bolted useless animations unto Windows hoping that people would be too stupid to realize the difference).

So yeah, run all the benchmarks you want, but when it comes down to actual user satisfaction, Apple's still going to eat you for breakfast.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (4, Informative)

nedwidek (98930) | about 2 years ago | (#38226516)

It's about user experience. And Apple's got that all wrapped up in a pretty little bow. Whereas none of their competitors do (HP came close, and we'll see about Ice Cream Sandwich but my educated guess is "probably not good enough for the average person").

I keep trying to figure out what people mean by iOS's user experience. I've got a transformer with the dock. Absolutely love it. Notifications are simple and unobtrusive. There is a back button that works.

I borrowed an iPad for a week and had to keep reminding myself NOT to throw it against the wall since it wasn't mine. At any point the damned thing needed to open a browser or map from one app the way back was not apparent and I ended up hitting the home button and needing to navigate back to where I was in the original app. In Honeycomb, I just hit the back button and I'm back. I guess if all you do is play Angry Birds it would seem pretty simple.

Don't take this as a flame. I'm really interested in why someone who uses both iOS and Android on a regular basis would say that iOS has a better user experience. I develop on and use both, but my personal iPod Touch is used for nothing more than a source of music on my alarm clock and in my Jeep. I dread using it for anything else.

And as an owner of the original Palm Pre I can certainly say that WebOS beats them both by a mile. Too bad the hardware was such shite and the limitations in the API were woeful.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (4, Insightful)

Pope (17780) | about 2 years ago | (#38226696)

Open a handful of apps. Switch between them. Now lock it and put it away for a couple of hours. Now unlock it: quick, where does "Back" take you?

Double-click on the iOS home button and you get the application switcher, so you can get back to any other running app, exactly in the state you left it.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (3)

slyrat (1143997) | about 2 years ago | (#38227010)

Open a handful of apps. Switch between them. Now lock it and put it away for a couple of hours. Now unlock it: quick, where does "Back" take you?

Double-click on the iOS home button and you get the application switcher, so you can get back to any other running app, exactly in the state you left it.

At least on my android you can hold the home button down to get the app switching you are talking about. I'm not sure what this comment was supposed to be showing...

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226614)

THIS. FINALLY.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226620)

Couldn't have put it better myself. Ppl that don't get it are morons.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | about 2 years ago | (#38226624)

Tegra 3, an unreleased chip that you won't be able to actually get in a shipping product for several months at least, is faster than the A5, a chip that's been in shipping products for the last six months.

Seriously. Apple's not doing too badly on specs either, apparently.

Re:You know why Apple's winning? It's not about sp (2)

antagonizt (613384) | about 2 years ago | (#38226934)

It doesn't help that Android phones also seem to be advertised to adolescent boys who like robots and women in tight black jumpsuits fighting in a dark rooms.

News just in: (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226214)

New, unreleased processor faster than old, widely available processor.

Comparing raw benchmarks? (3, Insightful)

gmhowell (26755) | about 2 years ago | (#38226216)

Really? Comparing benchmarks? All this time, and you people still don't get it.

Re:Comparing raw benchmarks? (1)

IICV (652597) | about 2 years ago | (#38226224)

I know for a fact that you did not RTFA, because that link is broken :)

Thank you Captain Obvious (5, Informative)

Totenglocke (1291680) | about 2 years ago | (#38226222)

A quad-core (technically quint-core) processor with 30% higher clock rates (40% higher for single core applications) is faster than a dual-core processor - I think saying "stating the obvious" is beyond redundant.

Re:Thank you Captain Obvious (5, Interesting)

stephentyrone (664894) | about 2 years ago | (#38226364)

If anything, the news is that the iPad2 actually *wins* in half of the linked benchmarks.

Re:Thank you Captain Obvious (1)

jellomizer (103300) | about 2 years ago | (#38226834)

Exactly, chances are the iPad3 will be faster then the the iPad2. The fact that the iPad2 still outperforms this chip in some areas is a testament to Apples design. Chances are the iPad3 will beat out the Nvidias. Besides metrics of measurement are often used to prove any ones point. You just mix in the metrics that are "Important" to you and toss out metrics that are "Insignificant" and there you have it you can usually prove most things, and let your competitor win a few just to make it seem fare.

Re:Thank you Captain Obvious (1)

Nugoo (1794744) | about 2 years ago | (#38226366)

You're missing the point. It's not a performance article, it's an Apple article.

Re:Thank you Captain Obvious (2)

Alwin Henseler (640539) | about 2 years ago | (#38226408)

Since when is quad-core cpu A 'automagically' faster than dual-core cpu B? Of course 2x the number of cores helps a lot, but it still depends on how much work each core can do @ a given clock speed (and that's ignoring the issue of how well existing apps' performance scales across multiple cores).

Re:Thank you Captain Obvious (1)

danbob999 (2490674) | about 2 years ago | (#38226988)

Both the Tegra 3 and the A5 are Cortex-A9 designs so they perform about the same. The Tegra 3 is clocked 30-40% higher however, and has twice as many cores. So it is much faster, but it's difficult to find a good benchmark to reflect that. Browser benchmarks mostly measure the efficiency of the javascript engine in the browser. The CPU is pretty much irrelevant.

The Tegra 3 GPU, however, seems to be still slower than the SGX543MP2.

Crap link (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226248)

Dear MojoKid and all other slashdot submitters,

When providing a link to an article, please provide a link to the first page or the one page printer version. I don't really give a fuck what page you happened to be on when you decided to copy and paste the link into your submission, I generally choose to read articles starting at the beginning.

Thanks,
The .01% of that actually reads TFAs

Misleading summary (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226250)

Of the linked benchmarks:

LINPACK: "Unfortunately, the iOS version of Linpack is different enough that we couldn't compare iPad 2 numbers in this test, and still get an apples-to-apples match-up (no pun intended)."
BrowserMark: Transformer is 11% faster than iPad2
SunSpider: iPad2 is 9% faster than Transformer
GLBenchmark Fill: iPad2 is 230% faster than Transformer
GLBenchmark Egypt: Transformer is 25% faster than iPad2
An3DBench: "This is an Android-only benchmark, so unfortunately the iPad 2 couldn't play here."

Re:Misleading summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226332)

... and if that wasn't enough, not one of these is a meaningful processor benchmark. Maybe Tegra 3 is superior to A5. Maybe it's vice-versa. You can't draw any conclusion at all from this data.

Re:Misleading summary (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226494)

Better headline: "Tegra 3 CPU on-par with a year-old processor; GPU woefully inadequate."

Slow news day? (5, Informative)

dswskinner (630472) | about 2 years ago | (#38226254)

So a new chip beats a 9 month old chip in more than a few tests? What a shocker.

Re:Slow news day? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226460)

And lost in several others! In the graphics test the iPad2 killed everything by a huge margin.

Shocking! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226300)

A new 5 core chip is faster than an older dual core chip. Who'd have thunk it

Re:Shocking! (1)

paxprobellum (2521464) | about 2 years ago | (#38226322)

My thoughts exactly. What is "news" here? I think the I7 is probably faster than the Pentium III. Someone write that up...

Twas ever thus (1)

necro81 (917438) | about 2 years ago | (#38226316)

So a newer platform beats out and older one: this is not news. It is likely that whenever the iPad 3 comes out, with whatever processor (some sort of quad core A6? faster-clocked A5? off-die coprocessors?) it will have a slight edge over this Tegra 3 platform. Competing technology companies leapfrog each other (or themselves) for bragging rights (and when comparing two different tablets with two different OSes, running different native apps, that's really all this is). Such has been the march of computing since, well, ever.

Worthless submission (3, Insightful)

thisnamestoolong (1584383) | about 2 years ago | (#38226354)

Seriously? This is on the front page? First of all, should that really be a surprise that a brand new, quad core chip can beat a 9 month old, slower, dual core? Secondly, Apple's success has NEVER been due to its high performance, it has always been about the shiny factor and the intuitive software design. I am personally excited about the arms race we are seeing in tablets, and hope to see high end Android tablets gain more traction, but this is just silly.

Re:Worthless submission (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226386)

Clearly the linked blogger is the submitter (check the submitter's mouseover link), so this is probably just another clickbait slashvertisement.

Re:Worthless submission (1)

MuValas (91840) | about 2 years ago | (#38226602)

First of all, should that really be a surprise that a brand new, quad core chip can beat a 9 month old, slower, dual core?

One of the reasons I always buy Apple is because when they come out with a new piece of hardware they always say, "We'd compare the specs to an existing device, but since our device is new, that wouldn't be fair."

They also never compared the App Store to the Android Market, in terms of # of apps, because the App Store had a 1+ year head start!

ummm, duh? (1)

Frag-A-Muffin (5490) | about 2 years ago | (#38226402)

They're comparing something that's coming out soon (TM) vs something I've had for over 8 months! I sure hope it beats the ipad2 in benchmarks. All these numbers games are silly. It used to matter when I was building 486 DX50 desktops vs a 486 DX2-66 ... but not so much these days. There's a very very very small percentage of people that would care and/or notice.

Wow, I guess I've become an old man! Complaining about you kids are your silly games. My apologies. </rant>

"To comprise" does not require a preposition. (1)

Fallingcow (213461) | about 2 years ago | (#38226438)

Tegra 3 is comprised of

"Comprises" would suffice. The proper usage of "to comprise" != that of "to (be) compose(d of)".

Tegra 3 comprises a quad-core primary CPU complex with a 5th companion core for lower-end processing requirements and power management

To confuse the two is to hasten the now-seemingly-inevitable death of a perfectly good word.

A useful guide: if you think you can substitute any uncommon word or phrase for a more common word or phrase with no change whatsoever in meaning or the structure of your sentence, you probably ought to check a dictionary first.

Haters gonna hate. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226442)

Same die size, they significantly cut power consumption in nearly every area, and they have significantly faster max speeds. I don't know why everyone seems to think this is 'nothing'. Gains like this without shrinking the die is a very impressive feat.

Do want. (1)

HideyoshiJP (1392619) | about 2 years ago | (#38226488)

And here I just escaped black friday with my specially priced Acer A500. I'm not going to lie, I want.

It's because of CarrierIQ! (4, Funny)

alexandre_ganso (1227152) | about 2 years ago | (#38226496)

They need faster processors to deal with CarrierIQ's overhead on looking at everything you do and sending them every keystroke.

Re:It's because of CarrierIQ! (3, Funny)

ceoyoyo (59147) | about 2 years ago | (#38226694)

Maybe that's what the fifth core is for.

quad core (1)

apcullen (2504324) | about 2 years ago | (#38226502)

Now, in true slashdot fashion I have not RTFA, so I don't know what benchmarks they're running. But in my mind, I question whether even a dual core processor is useful on a tablet. I mean really... how much intense computation is required by a tablet? How many threads are ever going to be run? It's not like you'll be running a simulation in the background while you watch a netflix movie on a tablet. Will anyone ever see the performance advantage of a 4-core ARM chip outside of benchmarks?

Re:quad core (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226796)

Personally I don't understand why they ever put more than 640K into a computer.

Seriously, though, there are applications that need the power. This SLAM (Simultaneous Location and Mapping) demo needs an iPad2, and it doesn't even do anything interesting with the tech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0FBfBu4n_Q With quad cores, they might be able to add gameplay too!

Re:quad core (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226824)

Well, I don't know about you but I have all sorts of crap running in the background of my phone while I'm listening to music, browsing the web, working on Google docs, reading mail, oh and making phone calls. Not even counting this fine ciqrd process I've just discovered.... So yeah, quad core is overkill but the dual core is probably helpful.

Performance is one important attribute... (3, Interesting)

Tau Neutrino (76206) | about 2 years ago | (#38226532)

Uh-huh. And what effect does all this high performance have on the containing tablet's battery life?

Re:Performance is one important attribute... (2)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | about 2 years ago | (#38226894)

Uh-huh. And what effect does all this high performance have on the containing tablet's battery life?

If we're talking about the Transformer Prime, the first Tegra 3 tablet, it's equivalent in battery life to the iPad 2 and roughly double it when you add the keyboard dock. It's also thinner than the iPad2, lighter, and the screen is much higher resolution, a better form factor, and nearly twice as bright, with blacks good enough that contrast ratio is also better than the iPad 2. The iPad's advantages are in number of apps and GPU speed. I wouldn't get either because even in iOS there are hardly any non-terrible applications or games.

As always, this Slashdot story about new hardware links to a rather amateurish site instead of Anandtech. Go check out Anand's Transformer Prime review for a really nicely balanced article.

Battery life? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226596)

Bottom line, which runs longer w/o charge? Specs are good, but that one's a biggie...

True performance (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226600)

I own the Samsung Galaxy tablet. At launch it had high specs and all.. But yet, the experience is laggy with occasionnal freezes.. is hardware the real performance, or it's the actual responsiveness that matters most?

I'd rather have lower specs but smoother response....

How you like them Apples? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226642)

You know the term... "Once you go black, you never go back." The same goes for Apple.... once you've accustomed yourself to using the iphone ui, odds are, you will ALWAYS end up comparing it when trying to make the switch. I've had countless of friends who are not geeks, or tech saavy, and they all ended up going back to Apple, simply because the flow, ease of use, and the fact that they are used to it.... If it ain't broke.....

Interesting, but not Earth shattering. (2)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about 2 years ago | (#38226782)

Pardon the pun but we are comparing Apple and Oranges. The Asus Transformer is designed to be a laptop/tablet hybrid so I can see this chip being used to its potential. But to make the assertion that faster is better in a purely tablet form is a stretched because for things that I actually use a tablet for (yes I have an iPad 2) the CPU is being wasted. How fast do I really need my calendar, email, iSSH, Rhapsody, Netflix, HBOgo, and notepad to go? They perform exceptionally well now.

As a embedded systems guy, I'm interested in the Tegra 3. Outside of the Intel family, our shop has two classes of custom boards. The ones based on actual ARM or PowerPC cpus this is where the Tegra3 has a shot, and the other being boards designed around the Virtex series FPGAs that our FPGA guys are smitten with and it would take extinction event to be able to pry that out of their cold dead hands. :P

You know what I like? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226910)

All this competition between those phones and tablets... all I hear is Apple this, Android that, sometimes a thing or two about HTC.

Microwho?

It finally happened.

More than a few tests (1)

MikeMo (521697) | about 2 years ago | (#38226938)

Shouldn't a quad core + "companion core" beat that A5 on *all* tests?

11-19-11 vs 10-4-11 4S, vs 3-2-11 iP2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#38226950)

So, 9 months later they have a chip faster on "some" tests in a unit functionally inferior to the Apple products at and spec level. Yes you can root the alternatives to Apple hardware, but you can jailbreak Apple products to and have an Apple ecosystem as a backup or optional feature set.

This feels like an unconfusing choice for either consumers or hackers.

JJ

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