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GNOME Shell Extensions Are Live

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the building-a-patchwork-gnome dept.

GNOME 204

DrXym writes "GNOME Shell has been criticized for certain shortcomings when compared to GNOME 2.x. Chief amongst them was that 2.x offered panel applets whereas 3.x is seemingly lacking any such functionality. What most people don't know is that GNOME Shell has a rich extension framework similar to Mozilla Firefox add-ons. Now, the official site to install extensions has gone live. So if you yearn for an application menu, or a dock, or a status monitor, then head on over. Extensions can be installed with a few clicks and removed just as easily."

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Dead (0, Flamebait)

masternerdguy (2468142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38244754)

Gnome 3 is dead. Mod me down but it's true.

Re:Dead (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38244928)

Xfce is the next standard for the authentic-gnome users, I've made the migration and I'm entirely satisfied.

Re:Dead (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38245274)

Xfce is great if you thought windows 95 was a little too fancy. As Torvalds said yesterday, Gnome 3 should come with gnome-tweak-tool right in settings.

Once you've used that, there's really no competition.

Re:Dead (0)

KugelKurt (908765) | more than 2 years ago | (#38246688)

Xfce is great if you thought windows 95 was a little too fancy. As Torvalds said yesterday, Gnome 3 should come with gnome-tweak-tool right in settings.

Whether Tweak Tool is preinstalled or not is the distributor's decision.

Hipster GNOME users (2)

qxcv (2422318) | more than 2 years ago | (#38247870)

I used XFCE before it was authentic.

It's not just GNOME 3. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38244988)

There's a lot of major open source projects that have gone stupid over the past year or two. Firefox is the other big one, of course. But we've seen similar stupidity from Thunderbird and Ubuntu, for instance.

It's like a big mass of unemployed web designers have moved on to fucking up real applications, perhaps because nobody will hire them to do web development any more, given similar fuck-ups in the past.

No, we don't want gradients and curved corners all over the place. No, we don't want the menus to be removed. No, we don't want the status bar to be hidden. We just want software that works, and these failed designers just can't provide that!

Re:It's not just GNOME 3. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38245070)

How dare you! They have a pedigree of owning Macbook pros and multiple thousands of dollars in skinny jeans and emo glasses. How dare you question their qualifications!

Re:It's not just GNOME 3. (2, Informative)

mehemiah (971799) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245658)

thats why linux values freedom of choice most of all. If you don't like it, switch and quit your bitchen. try fluxbox or Awsome. The gnome expatriate DE of choice has been XFCE but i think theres a branch of metacity being mantained like there's a kde3 branch being maintained

Re:It's not just GNOME 3. (5, Insightful)

rapidreload (2476516) | more than 2 years ago | (#38246334)

thats why linux values freedom of choice most of all. If you don't like it, switch and quit your bitchen. try fluxbox or Awsome. The gnome expatriate DE of choice has been XFCE but i think theres a branch of metacity being mantained like there's a kde3 branch being maintained

I really hate this retort. A lot of people used GNOME 2 because it was the best at what it did. Either KDE was too complicated (too many options/controls) or XFCE was too lean (lacking in functionality). GNOME 2 had a nice middle-ground. With GNOME 3 fucking up things, we have a problem. We can stick with GNOME 2 until it falls into disrepair (which does happen when libraries are upgraded but the DE is not), or we can switch to something like MATE which is still in development.

The problem with the argument of how Linux provides options is that they aren't necessarily any good. People generally use one DE over another because it provides something the others don't. If the development direction of said DE makes it no longer desirable, all the freedom of choice doesn't help much if now ALL of your options are lackluster as opposed to all but one.

Re:It's not just GNOME 3. (1)

mehemiah (971799) | more than 2 years ago | (#38246964)

What else is different between gnome2 and gnome 3 other than the use of metacity being replaced by clutter with the gnome_shell plugin? The Mint guy's are trying their best to please the gnome_shell detractors, give them a chance. What does gnome 2 do that XFCE doesn't exactly? KDE4 kind of did this thing where they broke everything by moving to the new libraries and then ported the old functionality and behavior to the new libraries. The new libraries improved functionality, portability, and (theoretically) stability. This strategy seems to be what MATE is. Now, if you really don't like the changes I would bet money that the BSD people are probably maintaining a Gnome2 that will remain static, stable and functional (considering the gnome linux people have already given bsd the finger already) . Please explain what you want here, what would make you happy?

Re:It's not just GNOME 3. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38245828)

and us admins don't want user installed extensions ffs.

Re:It's not just GNOME 3. (2)

Brian Feldman (350) | more than 2 years ago | (#38246020)

I doubt most sysadmins are dumb enough to care what a user installs in their home directory used solely by themselves.

Re:It's not just GNOME 3. (1)

shish (588640) | more than 2 years ago | (#38247402)

If the user has clue, fine. If extensions are really easy to install, dumb users will use this extra power to fuck shit up in spectacular ways and have no idea how to fix it for themselves.

Re:It's not just GNOME 3. (1)

jdege (88942) | more than 2 years ago | (#38247410)

I need a desktop that I can remote.

That is, something that renders in a responsive way, without GPU extensions. Something I can run in a Virtual, on a box that has other Virtuals running, or access remotely over DSL.

Glitz has it's place, but that place isn't in core OS functionality.

Re:Dead (-1, Redundant)

SilverHatHacker (1381259) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245030)

It's true, guys. Netcraft confirmed it this morning.

Re:Dead (1)

mcneely.mike (927221) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245686)

So did minecraft: why i was talking to a creeper just now and

Dead -- to nerds (3, Interesting)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245244)

Here's the problem: they're trying to make a desktop that has a broad appeal. Gnome 2 was mostly used by nerds (such as myself!) and nerds don't like change, nor do they like things that have broad appeal.

Getting new users/customers vs. making your existing users/customers happy is perhaps the oldest problem in business, and it's the minefield that Gnome 3, KDE 4, Unity, etc. etc. have all stepped into recently.

Re:Dead -- to nerds (5, Insightful)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245378)

No, it's not a problem at all. The problem is the fallacy that in order to make a UI that appeals to new users you must automatically get rid of everything that your old users liked about the original. You CAN have both, just bury the option to switch somewhere that only the old power users will find and you're fine.

Re:Dead -- to nerds (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38245426)

You CAN have both, just bury the option to switch somewhere that only the old power users will find and you're fine.

That's exactly what gnome-tweak-tool and extensions are: buried options for power users. So what's the problem

Re:Dead -- to nerds (2)

FatLittleMonkey (1341387) | more than 2 years ago | (#38246044)

"just bury the option to switch somewhere that only the old power users will find and you're fine."

Seriously? You didn't see the wave of outrage over the default tabs on top?

(If you don't use FF, it's reversed forever by right-clicking on a blank part of any toolbar and unticking "Tabs on Top". Real Power User stuff.)

Re:Dead -- to nerds (2)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 2 years ago | (#38247342)

"The problem is the fallacy that in order to make a UI that appeals to new users you must automatically get rid of everything that your old users liked about the original."

DOS had a lot of powerful features that Microsoft dropped with Windows 95. Do you think Microsoft would be doing better now if they'd stuck with DOS?

Re:Dead -- to nerds (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38245388)

they're trying to make a desktop that has a broad appeal

And that is completelly understandable. They need to abandon nerds and prepare for a broad audience because next year is, definitely, the year of linux on the desktop.

Re:Dead -- to nerds (1)

KugelKurt (908765) | more than 2 years ago | (#38246780)

And that is completelly understandable. They need to abandon nerds and prepare for a broad audience because next year is, definitely, the year of linux on the desktop.

The desktop PC is dead. The actual trend since a few years is that the distinction between Personal Computer and Workstation matters again. In the mid to late 1990s the workstation died because PCs became powerful enough that the only differentiating factor was if Win9x ("PC") or WinNT/2k ("workstation") was installed as OS (and since XP it's all NT-based for the majority of users).

Smaller formfactors take the place as new personal computers: Mostly laptops and tablets. GNOME is making sure that its GUI is adapted to those formfactors.
Desktop computers are mostly used for work these days. The demographic that requires desktop workstations is relatively small compared to the rest. The GNOME community focuses on the majority as target audience.

Re:Dead -- to nerds (1)

jdege (88942) | more than 2 years ago | (#38247430)

The desktop PC is dead.

So, when can I expect to see multiple monitors on my tablet?

Re:Dead -- to nerds (4, Insightful)

DemonGenius (2247652) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245442)

I'm a nerd, but I also like to get meaningful work done without having to tweak a UI everyday. Up until Ubuntu 10.10 I had the benefit of an attractive AND functional desktop, heck, I even finally perfected my ideal desktop configuration with 10.10, even with warming up to the stupid-application-buttons-on-the-left-side-of-the-title-bar-because-we-want-to-be-like-Apple. However, as much as I like change, the kind of change that prevents me from effectively using my main computer exactly the way I want will drive me away. They could have at least had the courtesy to make the new UI into a separate DE that can be selected at the login screen, but apparently that was too much to ask... bastards. This is why I've switched to Mint and will not look back until the Mint team gets on the idiot UI bandwagon.

Re:Dead -- to nerds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38245844)

This is why I've switched to Mint and will not look back until the Mint team gets on the idiot UI bandwagon.

This time is now: Linux Mint 12 comes with Gnome 3 [linuxmint.com]

Re:Dead -- to nerds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38246186)

This is why I've switched to Mint and will not look back until the Mint team gets on the idiot UI bandwagon.

This time is now: Linux Mint 12 comes with Gnome 3 [linuxmint.com]

Hahahaha, poor guy. I bet he'll keep trying to use Gnome because even though Gnome always hurts him he believes that deep inside Gnome still loves him.
Those irritated with Gnome should try a tiling WM, they're awesome.

one size fits all, open wide (1)

epine (68316) | more than 2 years ago | (#38246350)

For no other purpose than to add to the obnoxious rumble of discontent: Me too!

And I'll add, Ubuntu did a terrible job of communication around this change of direction. I couldn't have cared less which side of the window the close box is located on, but the way they handled the change should have set my teeth on edge much sooner than it did.

Re:Dead -- to nerds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38246898)

... nerds don't like change, nor do they like things that have broad appeal.

Getting new users/customers vs. making your existing users/customers happy is perhaps the oldest problem in business, and it's the minefield that Gnome 3, KDE 4, Unity, etc. etc. have all stepped into recently.

Strange. It's the ordinary users that seem to go ballistic when core UI stuff changes. "What you you mean that "Network Neighborhood" is now "My Network Places"????!

Sometimes people just want to get on with it, warts and all.

Isn't "good enough" supposed to be the law of software?

Re:Dead (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38245440)

And that's why it's the default on Linux Mint, the most popular linux distribution on distrowatch.com?
I'm a nerd and I love gnome shell (with MGSE for taskbar/tray icons), it looks so polished and expensive.. it's about time we had OS X quality on desktop linux. Sure, it's not flawless.. but I expect it to become more stable and provide some expected basic functionality once the developers get their "creative energy" out of the way.

Re:Dead (0)

Gusfm (1157321) | more than 2 years ago | (#38246342)

I'm sick of gnome 3. Gnome 2 was so damn good, I like it a lot, and now I just hate this Gnome 3 so much! I'm installing kde 4 right now. Let's see if it's better than this crap.

Re:Dead (3, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#38247880)

I'll get modded worse but this is something I feel I HAVE to ask: Wasn't Linux supposed to be the "sensible" one? the one where you didn't have code just being chunked because of some new shiny? I mean here you had KDE 3 and GNOME 2, both had been battle tested, were rock solid, were certainly not ugly on the eyes, had tons of features and were getting pretty damned bug free, so what happened? Did MSFT going bling happy force everyone to be blinded by the shiny?

I swear the whole Linux situation reminds me of an old SNL skit about Bizarro world. its like "Quick users am happy and things am stable! This is no good, we must throw everything out and break lots of stuff! Now look, users am unhappy and things broken, all better now" WTF?

I don't know, maybe its all Canonical's fault as they seem to be the ones that really started doing Bizarro shit like 6 month releases and seeming to go out of their way to piss of their users. When I first tried Linux in 2004 I thought that by now me and every other retailer in America would have penguins on boxes and Linux PCs and laptops right beside the Windows and Mac machines. progress was slow but steady, every year things got better, drivers got a little more stable, things got less fiddly, it really looked to be coming along nicely.

Now it just seems more like politics and fanboyism, where every request or critique is treating like pissing on the bible, things seem a hell of a lot more unstable and all that progress seems to have been thrown right out the window into the path of a bus. I have tried damned near every "user friendly" distro I have ever heard of and can't get a single one to pass my "is it safe?" test which simulates my customer having the PC and just keeping it updated for 3 years, not a single one. Drivers break, DEs get swapped out, UIs get flaky, and when i point this out all I get is heaps of insults and accused of being one of THEM whoever the THEM is this week.

I just think its a damned shame, that's what it is. When XP goes EOL there will be literally tens of millions of machines with frankly overpowered hardware that COULD be running Linux and offering low cost computing to the masses and instead me and every other system builder and repair guy will be scrambling for cheap Win 7 Starter and Home CALs simply because nobody will listen to us and give us a simple, easy to use, fiddly free Linux that Suzy the checkout girl can run without picking up "Bash and scripting for dummies". Is that REALLY so much to ask?

First Post (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38244756)

Get a real GUI you lazy jerks.

Re:First Post (-1, Troll)

masternerdguy (2468142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38244768)

Sorry, but it seems I acquired the first post this time. Posted from KDE4.

Re:First Post (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#38244924)

I loved it for a few weeks on Oneiric with nVidia. Then? A new kernel last week - and now the shell captures all mouse and KB events - won't release focus to apps!

DAMNIT (1)

atari2600a (1892574) | more than 2 years ago | (#38244770)

Not compatible w/ GNOME 3.0-- I guess I'm waiting 5 months...fucking Shuttleworth...

Fixed* in two commands (3, Informative)

OliWarner (1529079) | more than 2 years ago | (#38244856)

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3
sudo apt-get install gnome-shell-extensions

*Fixed but may break everything else.

Re:Fixed* in two commands (1)

OliWarner (1529079) | more than 2 years ago | (#38244916)

Ooo, there probably aught to be a `sudo apt-get update` between those lines. I aliased that into the command so keep forgetting to tell other people to do it >_

Re:Fixed* in two commands (2)

atari2600a (1892574) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245046)

Breaking everything else is what I'm worried about. It's bad enough using the prerelease channels breaks the little things just enough to warrant a / wipe every release cycle. (actually what I do is I use the beta & once it goes stable I wipe /)

And yet... (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 2 years ago | (#38244824)

Gnome 3 has nasty visual artifacts on Ubuntu 11.10 with my notebook's ATI chip.

I appreciate all Shuttleworth has done for the Linux community, but he's really got to take quality more seriously if he wants to win me back to Ubuntu.

Re:And yet... (2)

revcompgeek (1257982) | more than 2 years ago | (#38244904)

Gnome 3 had artifacts for me until I stopped using Catalyst and switched to the Open Source driver. Unfortunately that means lower graphics performance, but I don't play games much anyway.

Re:And yet... (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 2 years ago | (#38244954)

Thanks for the tip. Maybe I'll try that out. Can the open-source driver do video okay?

Also, how do you tell Ubuntu to stop using the proprietary driver?

Re:And yet... (3, Informative)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#38244996)

Gnome 3 has nasty visual artifacts on Ubuntu 11.10 with my notebook's ATI chip.

I appreciate all Shuttleworth has done for the Linux community, but he's really got to take quality more seriously if he wants to win me back to Ubuntu.

Linux Mint [linuxmint.com] seems to work great with Gnome3 and their own Shell extensions. They used it mostly to restore the missing bits that Gnome3 lost. I found it very stable am quite pleased with it. Its no KDE in terms of richness of functionality and flexibility, but its pretty sweet.

I'm starting to like this LinuxMint distro more and more, especially for casual use.

Re:And yet... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38245144)

Dear Sir,

You are a retard. First of all the problem with ATI chipsets is something AMD/ATI should fix, not Shuttleworthless or anyone else. Furthermore, by the solemn fact that you date Miss Swamp '99, I believe you're just another fat kid behind the monitor bragging about what you never understood... yet, another hype rider...

Eric Raymond wrote "The Bazaar and the Cathedral", learn how free software development method was made, and submit your patches!

SHOW ME THE CODE BITCH! (or crawl back under the rock from which you came).

Your's sincerelly,
Johnny on the Spot!

Re:And yet... (2)

mrmeval (662166) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245260)

Even that is drool compared to what I have had in the past. I just want to get shit done and soon I'll either accept the meager offerings in lieu of the degenerating main stream or pretty much just use a server version and get either Win7 or a Mac.

It would be about as disruptive to what I normally do with the same level of guarantee they won't fuck up anything in a short time frame.

I note that Google also shit on their stable UI.

Re:And yet... (2)

sunderland56 (621843) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245308)

I'm starting to like this LinuxMint distro more and more, especially for casual use.

I heard all of the great press, so I downloaded Mint 11, which was okay, and Mint 12, which is so horribly bad I fed the DVD to my paper shredder.

User Interface Manifesto:

  1. We do not want a dock. If we wanted a dock, we'd be Apple fanboys.
  2. Calling a dock something else, like an "Activities Panel", does not get you around rule #1.
  3. We will launch programs via a menu system, or via shortcuts. No other nonsense, please. I'm looking at you, Mr. Activities Panel.
  4. Once you have a facility like panel applets, that people like and use, do NOT take them away. If you want to add some other way of doing the same thing - like "Gnome Shell Extensions" - then keep the ability to run panel applets for at LEAST one major revision, so that all existing applets can be ported.

Re:And yet... (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245514)

Maybe You do not want a dock.

I DO want a dock, (depending on what you call a dock).
Taskbar, TaskManager type of thing, Quick Launch bar, etc: OK, almost essential.

KDE Activities: a stunning failure rammed thru by a pigheaded minority to meet a need that did not exist,replacing perfectly good alternatives, and in the process, alienated the vast majority of the KDE user base to the extent that latest releases pretty well banishes it to invisibility.

But I'm not sure KDE Activities qualify as a DOCK.

Re:And yet... (2)

sunderland56 (621843) | more than 2 years ago | (#38246016)

By "dock" I mean, some form graphical display that lists currently running programs intermingled with programs that you can lauch if you wish.

So, a mashup of popular items from the 'Start' menu and the currently running windows list. A list of two completely different things - action buttons and status buttons - slammed together in a random sort of order.

I suppose this follows the trend of using nouns as verbs, and vice versa.

Re:And yet... (4, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#38246520)

By "dock" I mean, some form graphical display that lists currently running programs intermingled with programs that you can lauch if you wish.

So, a mashup of popular items from the 'Start' menu and the currently running windows list. A list of two completely different things - action buttons and status buttons

See, that doesn't bother me a bit. The only thing I use that type of facility for is High Frequency items, email, browser, file manager, command shells. If one of those is ALREADY open I want the open one 99.94444% of the time, and if I want a new one, its left click.

You keep most menu items in the start-bar menu / what ever you want to call it. But the high frequency items I want handy, and If they are running already chances are I want the running one, and not another one.

It may not be to your liking, but it is very well thought out in all the implementations I've see of something like that. Why dig thru application menus? Computers are supposed to be intuitive. See icon, click Icon, get the desired result. They are not two completely different things. Its the way people work.

Re:And yet... (3, Insightful)

KugelKurt (908765) | more than 2 years ago | (#38246838)

KDE Activities: a stunning failure rammed thru by a pigheaded minority to meet a need that did not exist,replacing perfectly good alternatives, and in the process, alienated the vast majority of the KDE user base

WTF?!? Activities in Plasma Desktop were never ever forced on anyone. Everybody who doesn't want them simply doesn't use them.

Re:And yet... (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#38246862)

You couldn't avoid them if you want multiple desktops with different wall paper.
The stripped out any ability to do that an foisted activities on you.

Like I said, its better now, because the bitch level got so high they made an option that "looks" like the old way, but its still using activities. You really can't avoid activities.

Re:And yet... (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245598)

I heard all of the great press, so I downloaded Mint 11, which was okay, and Mint 12, which is so horribly bad I fed the DVD to my paper shredder.
 

I had no great problems with 12. It worked.

Too bad the Mint team needed to spend all that time re-inventing the things that were stripped out of Gnome3 rather than improving the distro. But they largely succeeded.

Re:And yet... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38245928)

I tried linux mint. The desktop UI was still pretty awful compared to Gnome 2, and the whole thing felt unfinished. I noticed these obvious bugs in the first 10 minutes.

1. The "start" menu isn't in the corner of the screen. It is slightly to the right. How many times must people get this wrong?!

2. Similarly the scroll-bars aren't right against the edge of the screen when windows are maximised. If you click right at the edge, in firefox it does nothing; in other apps it is the same as page down!

3. For some reason they changed the firefox icon to something unfamiliar.

4. The shell (gnome shell? whatever they use) crashed three times in the first five minutes of use. Fortunately it restarts quickly. Still...

5. Can't seem to add shortcuts to the top panel like you could in gnome 2. It just shows a useless copy of the window title. I can't work out the point of this.

6. The start menu is kind of awful. I have a 19" screen! Why does it only show 9 items at once?! Also by default it shows the "recently used" apps, but to click them you have to carefully navigate around the hover-activated app category menus. Not a great design!

7. I think this might be gnome's fault. But there's not central place to set file associations.

8. Software centre has lots of buttons which give no feedback and perform blocking operations. When you click on a package, the software centre freezes for a second or two.

9. They have disabled the ability to move and resize many windows (e.g. application-modal dialogs).

10. The graphical sudo prompt doesn't remember your authentication for any length of time, so if you want to install several packages from the software centre you have to enter your password once for each package!

I also tried Kubuntu 11.10, but I'm sad to say the catastrophe of plasma is still very much present. You can kind of disable the "activities", and you can disable the awful "start menu" (seriously, why are these all so terrible) in preference for the old one. But you can't really get away from the general ugliness and the idiocy of plasma.

I finally settled on Ubunto 11.10. Unity has some fairly major flaws (no feedback on launcher button presses!), and, like every single recent start menu, Unity's is awful. But I actually quite like the mac-style launcher bar, and I can see where they're going with the global menu bar (god knows why they auto-hide though). I had to tweak things a bit though - make the launcher bar smaller, and always-on.

Re:And yet... (2)

KugelKurt (908765) | more than 2 years ago | (#38246806)

Gnome 3 has nasty visual artifacts on Ubuntu 11.10 with my notebook's ATI chip.

I appreciate all Shuttleworth has done for the Linux community, but he's really got to take quality more seriously if he wants to win me back to Ubuntu.

Shuttleworth would say that because Canonical does not contribute to driver development, Canonical is not guilty of lacking quality there.
Critics would say that Canonical should help driver development for a change.

Decide for yourself which side you're on.

turd (-1, Troll)

HarrySquatter (1698416) | more than 2 years ago | (#38244918)

A polished turd is still a turd.

Re:turd (0)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245016)

waiter: but looky 'ere, if we poke this pile o' large fruit extensions on a stick into this 'ere turd, the lot ain't got much turd innit now, does it?

overlap with Mint's MATE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38244936)

I kicked Ubuntu to the curb over Unity (I'm all for tweaking the OS, but adapting a tablet UI back to desktop? Gimme a break.)
Been really happy with Linux Mint -- all the ease of Ubuntu10.x without the authoritarian BS, and a UI that doesn't require much retraining.
So... since Mint's using Gnome3, does this conflict with MATE?

and just when (1)

lee n. field (750817) | more than 2 years ago | (#38244942)

And just when I'd gotten XFCE to look the way I want....

Alt-right click vs. right click? (5, Funny)

Pausanias (681077) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245014)

The biggest idiocy of GNOME 3 last time I tried it (Ubuntu 11.10) was that Right click on the panel didn't work. You had to alt-right-click for everything. This is because the GNUssolini decided it was too distracting for me to right click and I wouldn't get any work done if I right clicked. So they changed all context menus to alt-right-click.

So, is there a GNOME Shell Extension that makes right-click work the way it used to?

Re:Alt-right click vs. right click? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38245688)

> So, is there a GNOME Shell Extension that makes right-click work the way it used to?

Yeah. It's called KDE4. It conveniently replaces gnome3 with a non-dumbed-down highly configurable power user desktop.

Re:Alt-right click vs. right click? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38245714)

GNOME fucktard designers can't wrap their tiny brains around a simple fact : The power of a GUI resides in the user being able to use you know THE FUCKING MOUSE to control things. Having a GUI and being obliged to use MOUSE+KEYBOARD for control is braindead STUPID. Why oh why can't we fire these morons ?

Re:Alt-right click vs. right click? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38245796)

Because you don't pay them.

Not GNU's fault (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38245898)

Your pun GNUssolini makes it sound that the GNU folks are the major culprits behind the fucktardation of GNOME. While GNOME did start out as a GNU sponsored project, the prime movers of GNOME is now developers affiliated with Redhat. So blame the GNOmmunists that want to dumb down GNOME for the masses.

Re:Not GNU's fault (2)

Pausanias (681077) | more than 2 years ago | (#38246152)

I agree with you that gnome should not belong with fsf any more. But at least on paper they are still the official desktop of GNU. I think RMS is trying to get them to behave but not having much success.

www.gnome.org/about/
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME

Re:Alt-right click vs. right click? (2)

maztuhblastah (745586) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245970)

The biggest idiocy of GNOME 3 last time I tried it (Ubuntu 11.10) was that Right click on the panel didn't work.

I hate to break it to you, but Ubuntu's UI is Unity, not GNOME Shell. It has nothing to do with GNOME.

Re:Alt-right click vs. right click? (2)

Pausanias (681077) | more than 2 years ago | (#38246052)

I hate to break it to you but you can switch between unity and gnome shell in Ubuntu. My statement is correct as it stands.

The biggest idiocy of GNOME 3 last time I tried it (Ubuntu 11.10) was that Right click on the panel didn't work.

I hate to break it to you, but Ubuntu's UI is Unity, not GNOME Shell. It has nothing to do with GNOME.

Re:Alt-right click vs. right click? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38246538)

I hate to break it to you but your mom is the tortilla in a cock enchilada.

Re:Alt-right click vs. right click? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38246990)

i hate to break it to you, but you're the cock getting baked in that analogy.

where's the de-Suck extension? (0)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245056)

where's the extension to take the rest of the SUCKAGE out of GNOME 3, or maybe one to take the SHIT out of the head of the Gnome 3 developers who are ignoring user desires and dictating workflow, what can be displayed at one time, and how screen real estate will be used?

Re:where's the de-Suck extension? (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245096)

You're welcome. [xfce.org]

Re:where's the de-Suck extension? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38245586)

Shut up Ruby faggot.

Re:where's the de-Suck extension? (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#38247142)

oh, is that your fantasy about my sexual orientation? put some lube on that cucumber so you don't chafe your poop chute wanking to your Rubycodez dreaming, by the light of your GNOME-3 desktop-turned-cellphone-UI

Thanks, but happy with KDE (2)

gtirloni (1531285) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245128)

Thanks, but no, thanks.... been happy with KDE4 after GNOME screwed GNOME3.

Re:Thanks, but happy with KDE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38245720)

Ditto. After Gnome3 i moved to KDE and havent looked back. It's far more powerful an environment.

Re:Thanks, but happy with KDE (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 2 years ago | (#38246668)

I couldn't get into KDE 4 (v4.4.3 with stable Debian) after being a loyal KDE v2 and v3 user. I kind of like Gnome v2.3. I don't want to use Trinity KDE since I am not sure hown well it will be supported in the future. :(

Extensions suck (4, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245246)

Sure, they're good in theory, but after you've been using some extension for years the Gnome developers decide that they want Change and then your extension breaks and the developer hasn't updated it in a long time because it's done and there's really no way to improve it, and now it's dead unless someone else learns whatever arcane Gnome-isms are required to fix it.

Users simply can't rely on anything outside the main code development tree, and with Gnome you can't even rely on that.

noooo.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38245250)

just when i thought i was out they pull me back in..

Will GNOME get a clue now? (1)

gtirloni (1531285) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245278)

Now that they will have statistics to show which extensions are most used (i.e. what users are missing the most). Will GNOME undo the mess?

Re:Will GNOME get a clue now? (2)

grcumb (781340) | more than 2 years ago | (#38246748)

Now that they will have statistics to show which extensions are most used (i.e. what users are missing the most). Will GNOME undo the mess?

To quote Linus [google.com] :

"They don't need a bug report. Trust me on this. They seem to feel that they need different users."

So no, I think the die is cast on this issue. GNOME devs have decided that they know better than their users, and if we would just open our minds to enlightenment (sorry), we'd all get along better.

Again, many people don't even have a huge problem with GNOME deciding what we need; it's the fact that they've removed a bunch of things that they've arbitrarily decided we don't need that's getting everyone's panties in a twist.

Re:Will GNOME get a clue now? (1)

KugelKurt (908765) | more than 2 years ago | (#38246870)

Now that they will have statistics to show which extensions are most used (i.e. what users are missing the most). Will GNOME undo the mess?

Why do you think that most users would a traditional GUI back that GNOME can "undo" to?
Fedora hasn't suffered at all since it ships GNOME 3.x as default.

Eeek... (4, Interesting)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245288)

Ive been a long time ubuntu user, and with the ubuntu unity/gnome fiasco I've been looking at going back to SuSE or even switch to Fedora since I work on redhat boxes all day.

But I decided to go with Mint, and with the extensions installed, its back to what Gnome 3 should have been. I do like being able to reload the desktop without closing my apps, and the looking glass debugger is a nice touch. I think now that extensions are out, and distros can start using them again, Ubuntu will make a comback. But now that I'm switched to Mint, its basically Ubuntu with the better desktop, I might not go back.

I just wish the gnome extensions were installed by default, so people didnt have to learn about them 2nd hand after they already get pissed off at a crippled and funny looking desktop.

Re:Eeek... (1)

tenchikaibyaku (1847212) | more than 2 years ago | (#38247838)

I think now that extensions are out, and distros can start using them again, Ubuntu will make a comback.

Ubuntu doesn't even come with gnome-shell installed by default, why would they profit (much) from this?

Compensates for some of the losses (1)

quixote9 (999874) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245324)

Nice to see them trying to bring G3 back to the usability levels of G2. They have a ways to go, but hey, at least they started. The more usable desktops we have to choose from, the better.

Unity or GNOME 3? (1)

revcompgeek (1257982) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245384)

People keep saying they tried G3 on Ubuntu, and I'm wondering if they mean Unity instead? I know G3 can be installed on Ubuntu but it doesn't come installed by default. For instance: Pausanias talking about alt-right-click. I've never seen that anywhere in G3, and I've been using it basically since it came out.

Re:Unity or GNOME 3? (1)

KugelKurt (908765) | more than 2 years ago | (#38246878)

For instance: Pausanias talking about alt-right-click. I've never seen that anywhere in G3, and I've been using it basically since it came out.

He's talking about the GTK 3 port of the classic GNOME Panel (aka Fallback Mode).

Anything not in core needs to play catch up. (1)

goruka (1721094) | more than 2 years ago | (#38245430)

Just like in Firefox, each time API version changes, extensions will break and will not work for a while. That is not cool. This is just an excuse from the Gnome developers for not fixing what users complain is broken..

Basic functionality shouldn't be "extentions" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38245504)

The GNOME 3 developers suffer from serious mental problems that cause them to ignore common sense and user feedback. The same also has effected the Mozilla folk with their removing of the status bar and forward button and force you to get basic features with extensions that break every six weeks unless you install them in a special way. The whole ship crippled software and fix with easily breakable extensions mentality needs to be stopped. Both Gnome and Mozilla need to be bitch slapped hard.

Until they can get a clue then I will be using software written by competent and mentally stable developers.

Re:Basic functionality shouldn't be "extentions" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38246452)

Do what I did: Switch to midori and xfce. These two changes allowed me to keep both my parents computers fast enough for regular everyday use. The one being a PPro workstation and the other a 2001-2002 era Pentium 3, both with only 256 megs of ram, and running Fedora and OpenSUSE. My point? Not only do you increase productivity by using the more traditional desktop layout that both you and your users are comfortable with, but you also lower your resource usage enough that even obsolete systems which according to current Linux system requirements won't meet the minimums, can and WILL run well enough for basic web use and text processing, something that seems to have become a scoffed at feature for every current linux distro.

As an addendum however: Has anyone else noticed runaway memory usage on Firefox/Seamonkey/Midori? I've been running into 2ish gig memory usage in at least 2/3 which doesn't seem to be limited to the gecko backend, but which so far hasn't happened in chrome. FF will do it with 5 or less tabs open and idle whereas midori will usually need 40-50 open. It seems to be a runaway problem that leads to disk thrashing until the application is terminated, but doesn't show up when reloaded with the same tabs. Just a curiousity for someone more technically inclined :)

too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38246126)

gnome so alienated me that i moved to xfce out of desperation.

and now i've come to like it. sorry, gnome, you've lost me and will probably never get me back.

Frost Pi5t (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38246494)

But does it work on multiple monitors? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38246536)

Try running GNOME 3 with two or more video cards and multiple screens. It doesn't work.

I run two Twin-View cards in Xinerama mode and it used to work with pretty much everything. Over time it has gotten worse and worse though and nowadays the only things that work out of the box are KDE and or a manual custom setup. Even XFCE doesn't work unless I switch the window manager to OpenBox.

All these open-source projects are starting to piss me off to no end. You shouldn't break stuff that used to work fine. In the old days Linux used to handle it better than anything else but I guess the developers lost sight because now OSX and Windows handle multiple monitors way better than anything open-source. Linux is actually getting worse over time.

Gone back to Windows :/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38246790)

I'm ashamed to admit this, but I actually switched to Windows Vista because of all these problems with Linux lately. I used to dual boot Vista and Ubuntu, but now I'm just getting tired of stupid new UIs and programs written for different desktop environments not working correctly, e.g. me not getting notified when I receive instant messages and stuff like that.

Re:Gone back to Windows :/ (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#38247126)

bad news for you, Vista has one of those "stupid new UIs" too. Windows 7 is actually somewhat less whacked. But yeah, some major open source projects are doing their damn hardest to kill GNU/Linux on the desktop. Firefox, GNOME, KDE, Ubuntu with Unity....gawd damn, its madness.

Easy solution (1)

future assassin (639396) | more than 2 years ago | (#38247028)

just switch to LXDE or XFCE done....

Happy Gnome 3 User (4, Interesting)

jon3k (691256) | more than 2 years ago | (#38247078)

Unfortunately the people who are unhappy tend to be the loudest. I just wanted to chime in and say that I absolutely love Gnome 3 and wouldn't dream of going back to Gnome 2.

Re:Happy Gnome 3 User (1)

noobermin (1950642) | more than 2 years ago | (#38247274)

Notice how you have 2 points while everyone else's idle complaints are modded up. Yeah, the unhappy people tend to be the loudest.

Re:Happy Gnome 3 User (2)

ADRA (37398) | more than 2 years ago | (#38247714)

In slashdot, all users are treated equally, and if you get modded up its because the mob generally agrees with what you're saying. That said, after the 16th or so Gnome3/unity story, I think this flame war is about as boring as grass. Us haters have found somewhere else to hang our hats, and the lovers will defend it with their dieing breath. The winner like so many other decisions won't be held by the jury of slashdot, but instead in everyone's home/office/laptop from machine to machine, and no matter how much one shouts, that fact won't change.

If OSS history's taught us anything, its that distros / programs only remain relevant as long as they continue to service the needs of their users.

Re:Happy Gnome 3 User (1)

tenchikaibyaku (1847212) | more than 2 years ago | (#38247866)

Another happy user of Gnome 3 here.

too little too late (1)

Gravis Zero (934156) | more than 2 years ago | (#38247754)

after a forced/inadvertent migration that i couldnt undo to gnome 3 (thanks debian. -_-), i bailed. i tried to use the new UI, i really did but it was horrid. i couldnt get anything done and kde was just as bad. i'm still working on finding/writing programs to make a good desktop environment but i refuse to be a victim of Gnome developer stupidity again.

i've left you Gnome and i'm not coming back.

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