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Akira Being Rereleased

Hemos posted more than 13 years ago | from the more-motorcycles!-more-gangs dept.

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Quite a number of people have been writing the news that Akira is coming back to the US soon. The proposed release is "sometime this Spring". Akira [?] is one of the biggies in anime movies - and was a darn fine comic book series as well.

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Yawn... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#478571)

I had a unique reaction to Akira when someone was trying to convince me how great it was by showiing it to me and a few other friends, I physically fell asleep. Two other people I knew did. It was among the lamest Anime, IMHO that I have seen. Seemed to just be a stream of violent sillyness, and it seems to me a great deal of people really into the genre tend not to like Akira as much as say, Slayers, El Hazard, Fushigi Yugi (now *THERE* is a great series, if you are willing to give any Anime a shot, that would be it, as far as I am concerned..), stuff like that... A bit more fun, suspenseful. Streams of mindless violence are ok for some, but bore me immensely without a btter plot than Akira :)

When you're done with the testosterone trip... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#478572)

Geez. Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Deagonball.

Yawn.

Give me Lain, Vampire Miyu, Oh my Goddess, Nadesico, Battle Athletes Coyboy Bebop, Sakura Diaries.

There's more to anime than just mindless power trips.

Re:haha (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#478573)

overrated? bullshit. this man speaks the truth.

Akira (1)

clustersnarf (236) | more than 13 years ago | (#478574)

I have been kicking myself since I didn't buy it when it was originally released. Then when i looked for it again, nowhere to be found. Anyone know why it was pulled from distribution?

Re:akira vs. ghost in the shell (1)

cduffy (652) | more than 13 years ago | (#478575)

IMHO, Ghost In The Shell is far better than Akira (particularly the subtitled version) -- if not due to the art, due to the storyline.

I found GitS's story to be coherent and believable, centered on rational individuals in an interesting yet coherent environment. Akira... [shudder].

You should see GitS. (1)

cduffy (652) | more than 13 years ago | (#478576)

...and quite frankly, Akira's the reason I haven't really watched any of these Anime/Manga type films.
I agree, Akira sucks -- the storyline and characters are hardly comprehensable, much less intricate. However, don't give up on manga entirely; Ghost In The Shell is an entirely different animal. Its characters are rational, well-defined adults living in a world which (mostly) differs from our own only in manners clearly defined early on; furthermore, the story kicks ass.

Thus, don't give up on manga; watch GitS.

Re:But will it be re-dubbed? (1)

jnik (1733) | more than 13 years ago | (#478578)

Pioneer's doing a new dub. Don't expect quite the same budget as with Mononoke Hime--Disney has slightly more funds at their disposal. The DVD will, of course, be bilingual.

Re:Not +1 Insightful, Moderator (1)

jonabbey (2498) | more than 13 years ago | (#478579)

Nah, it's not that big a troll. Not by Slashdot standards, certainly

And the fact that the score is _just_ 1 and the poster is not an Anonymous Coward means that someone already modded it back down to default.

Release Date Wrong (1)

Faluzure (3650) | more than 13 years ago | (#478580)

Actually, not Spring 2001, but more like 4th quarter 2001.

All the info right here [yahoo.com] .

Re:You should see GitS. (1)

Jonathan (5011) | more than 13 years ago | (#478581)

I really don't understand why Akira isn't "understandable" -- what exactly is confusing? It deals in cosmic themes, yes, but so does "2001" and "Solaris". Then again, some people claim not to understand the connection between the Monolith and directed evolution in "2001" -- go figure.

Majorly psyched (1)

Akira1 (5566) | more than 13 years ago | (#478582)

I don't have anything useful to say other then that I would LOVE to see this movie in a theatre. I remember the first time I saw this movie, I was so blown away. It became a large portion of my life in High school, which was when I first saw it. My VHS copy is getting quite worn out!!. As you can see, this movie was a source of most of my nickname as long as I've been on the internet =) I shall wait with baited breath.

Re:Damn Straight (1)

ocie (6659) | more than 13 years ago | (#478583)

Hear Hear.

There are a couple second run theaters in my area that tend to run things that aren't going to make tons of money in megeplexes. Plus, a few of them are locally owned, family businesses. For 6 bucks, you can see a double feature. The popcorn tastes better, too.

Re:Anime gives geeks a bad image (1)

Sleepyguy (12339) | more than 13 years ago | (#478585)

> Anime is *NOT* a genre. It is a medium.

actually it's a genre.

genre (zhänr)
n.

1. A type or class: "Emaciated famine victims . . . on television focused a new genre of attention on the continent" (Helen Kitchen).

2.
a. A category of artistic composition, as in music or literature, marked by a distinctive style, form, or content: "his six String Quartets . . . the most important works in the genre since Beethoven's" (Time).
...

medium (md-m)
n., pl. media (-d-) or mediums. Abbr. med., m., M.

2. An intervening substance through which something else is transmitted or carried on.
3. An agency by which something is accomplished, conveyed, or transferred: The train was the usual medium of transportation in those days.

>Anime is no more a genre than books are a genre, TV shows are a genre, or live action motion pictures (movies) are a genre.

>There are many aspects to anime, many of which fit just fine into your "god fearing christian american" view. And many that don't

Books are a medium, Television is a medium, Shows fall into genres, film is a medium, movies fall into genres.

I think your ranting in the wrong direction. If you are trying to prove that anime can have a story that is more than tentacles, gunfire, and panty shots. Then yes that is true. It's true of any storytelling device. The stories it tells can be innane, think hentai, or dramatic and moving, think 'grave of the fireflies'.

However, if you are going to make a distinction between two well defined words, please make sure you know what they mean.

Re:Anime gives geeks a bad image (1)

Carbonate (13973) | more than 13 years ago | (#478586)

I truly hope that this is satire. You should note that you are judging an entire movie genre, if not an entire nation, based on only a few movies. But perhaps you are right and we should call out the thought police and arrest all of those filthy movie goers who enjoy anime.

Re:A big MPAA lie. (1)

Jethro (14165) | more than 13 years ago | (#478587)

Ok, I guess I was being a bit unclear.

In the setting of the movie, people can fly. Although I suspect this as a slight mistranslation. But that's ok.

My point was, the areal acrobatics, however unbelievable to us, were presented with the same seriousness of Superman being able to fly, or James Bond having a car that shoots Sidewinder missiles, or Tom Cruise being able to fly an F-14.

At least in CTHD you know it's actually Michelle Yeoh really doing all this stuff, and not some stunt person in front of a green screen. In that respect it's a hell of a lot more real than Superman/Bond/Matrix.



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Re:A big MPAA lie. (1)

Jethro (14165) | more than 13 years ago | (#478588)

I've been to 'ambiance' theatres. Now, ambiance is nice, but I don't need the chairs to rock because they're so old they're not steady anymore, and I don't need the damn springs poking me in the ass. Also, it'd be nice if the projectionist had kept the movie in focus.

As for the whole laughing thing - I think you don't get it. Yes, people can't fly TODAY. But in Ancient China they COULD. It's not presented as a joke. Wudon Warriors (or whatever) could, definetly, fly. I suppose you laugh at Superman, too?

What bugged me was the "That's stupid" giggles from people who went "Whoa" at The Matrix.

And I for one think it was done very, very well in CTHD.




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Re:A big MPAA lie. (1)

Jethro (14165) | more than 13 years ago | (#478589)

I saw "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" last weekend, and now I can't wait to get it on DVD so I can watch it in some kind of DECENT quality.

The thing was playing in only ONE theatre in Minneapolis, and the theatre had "Landmark" in it's name, which apparently in the US means "We have never changed the seats!!!"

Also, people were GIGGLING during allt he flying scenes. Totally not getitng it.

Oh, and since it was showing in one theatre in a 3.5million people area, you can believe there were lines. Standing outside for an hour and a half TO GET IN (not for tickets!) in -10 degrees F... was not fun. Especially when you get in and get crappy seats that are uncomfortable with crappy audiences.

Anyway.

I also note it never made it to #1. If it had opened at a normal number of theatres I'm pretty sure it'd have shot up there and beaten the crap out of whatever cheerleader movie is #1 this week...


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Re:AICN info (1)

Resident Geek (16074) | more than 13 years ago | (#478590)

Actually Ghost In The Shell did it for me, but that's 'coz I'm a relative newcomer to the scene. Akira was much more provocative in every sense of the word.
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the comic is being re-released too! (1)

m@ltese (18217) | more than 13 years ago | (#478591)

currently only volume 1 has shipped, and it is sooooooooooo much better than the movie (which I loved).

It goes into much more depth than the movie, and has been released in it's original black&white format.

It will be over 1000 pages when done. Buy yours today!! d$hahin

Akira was great and everything... (1)

bokane (36382) | more than 13 years ago | (#478592)

I mean, Akira was definitely a good movie, and it helped attract a lot of people to anime...but really, it pales in comparison to a lot of today's stuff, especially, say, Miyazaki-san'a [Mononoke Hime], or (in the cyberpunk vein) [Serial Experiments Lain].

Besides that, it was either two hours too long or several hours too short. The problem with condensing a huge manga into a movie is that it just plain doesn't work most of the time.

Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (1)

look (36902) | more than 13 years ago | (#478593)

I have mod right now; I'm not modding this down because I am not convinced the poster is a troll. I think he is merely misinformed. Look at his posting history; unless this is a spoof account he does not have a history of trolling.

Re:A big MPAA lie. (1)

look (36902) | more than 13 years ago | (#478594)

I also saw CTHD at the Uptown last weekend. Apparently you don't "get" the Uptown. It has a certain ambiance. They don't make theatres like that anymore. Enjoy it.

Also, I was probably one of the ones you were annoyed with. Why did I giggle during the flying scenes? Because it's FUNNY. People can't fly! In CTHD they don't even try to make it look real. The actors don't need to push off to jump to the next building, they are just repelled, apparently.

Yes, I know it's a genre thing. Does it make you feel better that when I watch other Hong Kong action movies, I also giggle and groan? (My favorite is in All Men Are Brothers 2, when the guy runs straight up the 40 foot tall poll carrying the other guy on a chain, and ties him up at the top. Tell me that's not funny.). I also do the same thing in American action movies. Because it's rediculous, and therefore funny.

Re:A big MPAA lie. (1)

mvc (38569) | more than 13 years ago | (#478595)

Um... I'm inclined to agree with your overall point, but one correction: Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon isn't a re-release, it's a new movie.

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Now there are two of them.

Re:I'd like to see a rerelease of Honneamise (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 13 years ago | (#478596)

Yes Manga has put out a Wings of Honneamise DVD.

but...

There is a lot of controversy over the quality of the video. Some people have analyzed it and have said that the video is not simply buggy, or made strangely, but that it is defective outright, and only looks good on the best highend players.

Re:subtitles, PLEASE! (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 13 years ago | (#478597)

Why are you asking if there will be subtitles?

Now that DVD is the major vehicle of newly released/re-released anime, subtitles are virtually guaranteed.

And yes, the Pioneer DVD will have subtitles. Guaranteed.

Re:I sure hope... (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 13 years ago | (#478598)

Then i wonder what american companies you refer to, since everything i've gotten is uncut.

Except Kite, but then that's a whole section of law, age of consent, and all that...

Re:Just wondering.. (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 13 years ago | (#478600)

Streamline Studios and Carl Macek were the first group to get their hands on a lot of anime, most notably, Akira.

The dub, which everyone is familiar with because Macek hated subs, wasn't all that great, and really confused some of the story.

Streamline and Orion lost their license a while back, so the US "lost" per se, Akira. Pioneer did reacquire it, and is giving it a proper release.

Re:Akira (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 13 years ago | (#478601)

Good thing.

Streamline Studios and Orion, who originally released it, did so with only a dub, and it wasn't that great of a dub either (macek would alter things, like THE STORY, if it suited him), and he hated subtitles, so he never released tapes like that.

But a while ago Streamline died, and Orion lost the rights to Akira. The rights sat idle for some time, and were recently reacquired by Pioneer.

Old copy of Akira on tape; what do I have? (1)

Pyramid (57001) | more than 13 years ago | (#478602)

I've an old dubbed copy of Akira that reads:

AKIRA
C 1989 Akira Committee
Running time approximately 124 min.
(Blah...Blah...Blah)
Distributed throughout North America on video cassette by Streamline pictures

What do I have here? This is the only version of Akira I've ever seen; are there any scenes cut from this?

Thanx.

Re:But will it be re-dubbed? (1)

malasky (60612) | more than 13 years ago | (#478604)

Better, IMO, to subtitle it. I've seen it both ways, and it makes a lot more sense subtitled.

Although, to be fair (and wishy-washy), and damn good dubbing would be acceptable, too.

Re:Anime gives geeks a bad image (1)

MKalus (72765) | more than 13 years ago | (#478606)

Nice troll..

Just FYI, animation movie are not strictly for kids, Akira was / is NOT a series it's a feature length movie and one of the best animated out there.

Yes, there are "bad" movies in Anime, but there are worse movies in real life (faces of death just to name one) and to blow everybody away here because of what you don't understand it typically troll.

Re:Anime gives geeks a bad image (1)

Rares Marian (83629) | more than 13 years ago | (#478607)

Troll crime #1: Generalizing about anime
Troll crime #2: Generalizing about readers
Troll crime #3: I think you misoverestimate the leaderabilities of Dubya
Troll crime #4(tentative): Not realizing I'm joking about #3.

That said:
1. Akira is 10 years worth of weekly comics crammed into about 90-120 minutes.
2. How are we supposed to represent a disillusioned age if we're not allowed to portray it truthfully?
3. If you have a story about a boy who refuses to learn to control the powers that have been given to him, you are going to have consequences.
3A. So much for children being gifts from God. Perhaps we should spend less time dressing them up in suits and uniforms and "cherishing" the poor souls, and more time teaching them which includes the lesson that world is dangerous and providing clear examples.
3B. Judging it because it was graphic is a lot like arguing that the ugly thing about war is blood and gore not death. Please try to be less superficial.
4. That bit about martial arts. Try Rurouni Kenshin, a story of a samurai at the end of one of Japan's dynasties. He specifically swears he will never kill again, and gets a sword with the blade on the wrong side so that even in the ugliest moment of anger he cannot kill. Add on 95 episodes of people trying to avenge friends lives lost (he manages to prevent bloodshed repeatedly), crooks, fighting corruption, and of course evil pushing the guy to revert to his assassin self though never succeeding. Do you have a problem with a series that depicts the consequences of murder, unearned pride, and even trying to honor a loved one's death? Go argue about something you have a clue about.

5. Akira is a joke because it was the first and it's disorganized. I saw it and am offended it shares a similar storyline with some absolute masterpieces such as Evangelion and Escaflowne.

6. Oh and that bit about going to the movies for entertainment. You know what. Go fuck yourself. Everything is a sign or a promotion or entertainment to you jackasses. I watch anime to see art, to learn. I couldn't care less about Hollywood, the latest fad, or the free Coke if I go to see some crap movie.

Gah why does God make morons so... moronic?

Re:Oh fuck (1)

Rares Marian (83629) | more than 13 years ago | (#478608)

No. I want to see explosions in the shapes of crosses, angels attacking using Handel's Hallelujah, and other stories about scientists bringing their loved ones back to life just like any 7 year old is dying to see.

Seriously, go back to your Air Force One movie, and I'll keep my anime.

Re:Just wondering.. (1)

Saminu (114473) | more than 13 years ago | (#478611)

Akira was originally released in the US by Streamline. When they went out of business, no more copies were produced. Eventually, Pioneer picked up the movie. The film is being digitally remastered, probably so an anamorphic transfer can be done. A new dub track is also being produced, to fix the translation errors (and poor acting) in the original release.

Re:Blah... (1)

nordicfrost (118437) | more than 13 years ago | (#478612)

Sooo... What do you like? Serial experiments Lain? Perfect blue? Ghost in the shell? (Lain is my favourite. It's like a book. You are given some frame of reference, the rest is up to your imagination.)

Re:If you want the Real good stuff... (1)

NullStream (121401) | more than 13 years ago | (#478613)

KICK ASS!!!

This is gonna save me a few hundred dollars! I've been trying to get a copy of all 36 issues of the Dark Horse version of Akira but have only since aquired 6. :(

So what if I'm at work I'm still gonna do a happy dance!

If it wasn't for Akira I would never have seen Evangelion. If it wasn't for Evangelion my life would be of no value!

Re:But will it be re-dubbed? (1)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 13 years ago | (#478614)

That's silly, why not just watch it in Japanese?. Seems like a "duh" situation to me.

Omake (1)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 13 years ago | (#478615)

There's value added by seeing something on the big screen or getting inserts / liner notes with DVD's you could otherwise download.

Let's not forget that this is a rerelease of Akira, so chances are good there will be a lot of extras on the disc (omake).

Re:I sure hope... (1)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 13 years ago | (#478616)

This is Akira. The chances of anything important (yes, to us) getting cut out are virtually nil. If you're buying or renting the movie, you pretty know what you're info.

Not to sound flippant or anything, but I don't think you need to worry.

Important for us fans (1)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 13 years ago | (#478617)

I'd hate to go over anything that's been posted to death, but it's fairly safe to say that Akira is probably the most important anime for us non-Japanese fans.

Akira brought critical success (Siskel and Ebert made it a video pick - and this was in the days before the acclaim of Mononoke Hime or Dragon Ball Z/Pokemon fandom) and an understanding that American cartoons and Japanese anime are a breed apart.

It was very important for a movie like this to come out when it did. The animation style and the plot were not only great, they were concrete enough to move the film along with American unused to anime (unlike. say classics like Vampire Hunter D or Robot Carnival).

Since then Akira's visual style and plot elements have been important in anime (the idea of a post WWIII Neo-Tokyo, for example) and in Japanese "pop" culture (Final Fantasy VI's plot is higly indebted to Akira).

Akira's one of the first anime I saw when I started out in anime and it holds a special place in my heart. Plus, you know a movie like this has made it when people who are not fans of anime, know and love it (like many students at my high school).

Re:Important for us fans (1)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 13 years ago | (#478618)

Excuse, that should be Final Fantasy VII (just to get away from any confusion). You can disregard the other typos ;)

Re:I'd like to see a rerelease of Honneamise (1)

Yosho (135835) | more than 13 years ago | (#478619)

Whoops, I guess I didn't catch that -- I never knew it was released in theatres, though. But I agree, I would love to see it on the big screen...

And yes, the DVD is out.
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Re:I'd like to see a rerelease of Honneamise (1)

Yosho (135835) | more than 13 years ago | (#478620)

Actually, Honneamise was re-released in the US last November, I think. I know this because I have it. ^_^

Unfortunately, the video quality isn't quite as good as the Japanese re-release -- but it does come with lots of cool extras, such as a 5.1 English soundtrack, a previously cut scene, and the original Royal Space Force promotional short.
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Re:more info (off-topic) (1)

Yosho (135835) | more than 13 years ago | (#478621)

Well, there are a lot of people that love Ninja Scroll, but frankly, I'm not one of them. The artwork and animation were both good, but just about everything else left something to desire, and I'm not a huge fan of needlessly gory stuff.

One that I would highly recommend, on the other hand, is Cowboy Bebop (be sure to get it on DVDs as opposed to VHS if you do) -- yeah, I was turned off by the title at first, but I've yet to meet a person who has watched more than five episodes and wasn't in love with it. I'll spare the description, because I've seen lots of other people describing it on /. ;-)
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subtitles, PLEASE! (1)

abde (136025) | more than 13 years ago | (#478623)


its GOT to have subtitles. dubbing always takes the emotion out of it. language is part of the art - dubbing takes something out and fails to put it back in.

Re:akira vs. ghost in the shell (1)

Frizzle Fry (149026) | more than 13 years ago | (#478624)

I've seen both although that's really the only anime i've seen other than princess mononoke. honestly, i was really stoned when i saw akira, so i don't remember it that well, but i would say the main difference is that it has more action than ghost in the shell. ghost in the shell is a lot of drawn out plot development and such, which is less of a factor in akira.

Care about freedom?

Re:Anime gives geeks a bad image (1)

Amon CMB (157028) | more than 13 years ago | (#478625)

the reason the "thought police", as you phrase it, have been unsucessful in banning movies, magazines, and books is that most of the media you have previously mentioned have at least some redeeming aspects or artistic value, while Anime does not.


The very fact that anime has such a global widespread appeal among millions of fans proves your argument wrong before it even began.

- Amon CMB

Re:the comic is being re-released too! (1)

lizardboy (160143) | more than 13 years ago | (#478626)

Vol. 2 is about to come out. you can pre order it a www.tfaw.com. which is the sister company to darkhorse who is doing the publishing.

lizard

Re:Anime gives geeks a bad image (1)

bryanp (160522) | more than 13 years ago | (#478627)

I have to wonder just what anime you've been watching? At a guess I'd say you were tied down and forced to watch a bunch of Urotsukudoji-esque "tenta-porn" followed by a marathon of "Fist of the North Star." Not exactly representative of anime as a whole.

Lots of people don't seem to realize that anime is not one type of show anymore than non-animated films are all of a type.

Yes, there is anime available with graphic sex, violence and some pretty vile things I prefer not to think about, much less watch. Lumping it all together is not appropriate.

To use Akira (definitely not one of my favorite anime's, actually) as an example, I wouldn't put it on the same shelf as oh, say Maison Ikkoku (my all-time favorite series, both in the anime and manga format). I love to show MI to people who think they know what anime is.

No murders. No graphic sexual scenes. No guns. No psychic powers. No giant robots. No magical girls. No explosions. No half-naked bimbos. Okay, *one* half-naked bimbo, but with Akemi it's more of a running joke than it is anything sexual.

Anyway, I thought I was saying something but I seem to have wandered off the topic. Hmm. This stupid laptop seems to have finished re-building. Time to go home. I have episodes of Love Hina, Slayers Next and Rurouni Kenshin to work my way through. Hey, whaddaya know? They have sexual situations and some violence. No rape, and it's not "senseless." It's all in context with the stories. Cool.

Bryan

Re:Anime gives geeks a bad image (1)

Lord Squirrel (162184) | more than 13 years ago | (#478629)

Anime usually doesn't go through the MPAA rating system. This means that all the adult (I use the term loosely) film is mixed in with the other stuff, and a person who doesn't know much about anime is likely to get burned. That isn't a good reason to trash a whole genre...the reasoning you've presented would ban every form of art in existence.
While there is lots of nasty anime out there, there are also works of sublime beauty. I recommend just about anything by Hayao Miyazaki (here's a good fan website: http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/). His stories are beautiful, well thought out, and suitable for just about any age range. As for Akira? Yes, it has violence, but at the same time it tells an exciting and thought-provoking story about the abuse of human potential. [nausicaa.net]

Re:more info (1)

pm5k (162314) | more than 13 years ago | (#478631)

how the hell would someone find a picture like that? goddam. fucking flamer. this is the same coward who posts all the nasty pictures. must be a hobby of his to show everyone his torn up ass-hole. This guy brings the whole weirdo from se7en "rubbing peanutbutter on himself wearing his grandma's panties" to a whole new level. as far as the anime thing goes? ive only watched ninja scroll... (im new to the anime shit i guess) can anyone tell me how great that compares?

At http://www.manga.com/ now... (1)

MsGeek (162936) | more than 13 years ago | (#478632)

And a lot of my questions have been answered.

1.) Summer 2001: Eva movie is coming out! Don't know which one it is, no details, although I'll lay odds it's Death And Rebirth.

2.)Honneamise is indeed out on DVD. Bilingual Japanese/English, with the remixed soundtrack. It's going on the "gotta get" list...that is, when I have a JOB again, dammit...


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Re:Akira (1)

MsGeek (162936) | more than 13 years ago | (#478633)

First off: love your pseudonym. Nuku Nuku kicks ass.

Second: I have to disagree with your comment about Streamline: not every movie they dubbed got cut. They did a great job on My Neighbor Totoro. They didn't treat Castle Of Cagliostro well, but Totoro was nicely done.


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Re:Anime gives geeks a bad image (1)

MsGeek (162936) | more than 13 years ago | (#478634)

Anime is also the romanization of the Japanese katakana for the word they use for animation.
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Re:I'd like to see a rerelease of Honneamise (1)

MsGeek (162936) | more than 13 years ago | (#478635)

I was talking about an US theatrical re-release.

It was released briefly in a few theatres towards the end of the 1980s...'89 or '90 if memory serves me right.

Has Manga Entertainment put out a DVD yet?


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Re:I sure hope... (1)

seagis (187551) | more than 13 years ago | (#478636)

>> ^--the only conservative on slashdot

I beg to differ, good sir! I myself am a huge fan of P.J. O'Rourke. Don't consider yourself the sole voice of reason out here. :-)

Seagis
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Re:Anime gives geeks a bad image (1)

interactive_civilian (205158) | more than 13 years ago | (#478637)

I realize that the parent post is probably a troll, and fully accept being modded down for responding to it...

First of all, does it occur to you, Mr. atrowe, that not everyone who reads this site is God-fearing, Christian, or American?

But beyond that, I can obviously tell that you have not watched a lot of anime, since you seem to be of the opinion that it is all smut, violence, filth. That is like condemning all movies because some of them are pr0n, ultraviolent, etc.

Anime is *NOT* a genre. It is a medium.

Anime is no more a genre than books are a genre, TV shows are a genre, or live action motion pictures (movies) are a genre.

There are many aspects to anime, many of which fit just fine into your "god fearing christian american" view. And many that don't.

- Try watching Princess Mononoke and see the message that no one is all good or all bad, you will lose your soul if you allow yourself to be swallowed by hatred, and balance is very important for man to coexist with nature.

- Watch Marmalade Boy and see the dreams and romance that many people feel while coming of age.

- Watch Fushigi Yuugi and see that love does indeed conquer all, love is timeless, and true love can never die.

- Watch Graveyard of the Fireflies and see how war is not only horrible to the people who fight but to the families that remain at home. See how hard war is on a society and how sad it is no matter what side you are on.

- Watch Record of Lodoss War and see that in order to be human, good and evil must balance. See that balance is EVERYTHING.

- Watch Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind and see that all living things are precious regardless of their differences.

- Watch Serial Experiments Lain and perhaps dare to question who God is and what makes him God. See where technology is going and see if the physical world is truly more important than the "wired" world.

I could go on an on. And I have yet to mention an excessively and needlessly violent anime. So, I guess your comment doesn't really hold much water, does it?

There is violence in many forms of media. Do you want to know what the most violent, brutal, and smut-ridden book I have ever read was?

The Holy Bible.

Sorry to flame so much, but stuff like this really gets to me.

Re:A big MPAA lie. (1)

GunFodder (208805) | more than 13 years ago | (#478638)

While I agree that it is worthwhile to see a really good movie in the theater and a decent movie on DVD or VHS rather than a smaller free download, what about the tons of marginal movies out there? Unfortunately the studios do make a lot of movies that folks wouldn't pay for if they didn't have to.

Imagine a movie that has lower quality standards then a straight-to-VHS or made-for-TV movie... Seems like it wouldn't be worth the download.

Re:the comic is being re-released too! (1)

ScuzzMonkey (208981) | more than 13 years ago | (#478639)

Awesome! I have been collecting the original US release for years, but lately it's been getting hard to find the issues I don't have. This is better news than the film being re-released (of course, maybe I'm only saying that because I've got the tape of the movie.)

Anime gives geeks a bad image (1)

atrowe (209484) | more than 13 years ago | (#478640)

I'm normally not one to speak out against the articles posted here, but I feel the need to voice my moral objection to Akira and similar Japanese filth in a public forum. I do not do this for the intent of angering or alienating any Slashdot readers, but merely to make my views heard and perhaps sway other's away from such morally degrading media.

While I've never actually seen any of the Akira series, I have (regretablly) had the opportunity to view several other "anime" movies, and I must say how horrified I was at some of the gruesome scenes depicted thoughout. I for one, certainly hopes that Slashdot's self proclaimed "geek" readership has enough sense to see past the flashy martial arts, bone-shaking explosions and poorly dubbed voiceovers and realize that foul degrading filth such as this has no place in the homes of God-fearing Christian Americans. Scenes such as fecalfilia, gang rape, and the senseless murder of innocent caucasians. I am appaled that a culture that prides itself upon it's knowledge and refinement would consider something like this to be entertainment and I can only hope that now that our nation is under the strong leadership of George W. Bush, such despicable filth will soon be banned and owners and advocates of anime will be arrested.

Thank you for listening.

Re:akira vs. ghost in the shell (1)

jonskerr (217459) | more than 13 years ago | (#478641)

Remember folks, it's an exhibition, not a competition... Please, No wagering. ;) Actually, both movies rule. The animation is totally excellent on both, and they look a bit alike in that respect. The acting of the english dub is WAY better in Akira, but the line "It's like a cosmic rebirth!" makes no sense at all. The subtitle says "It's like the birth of the universe!" and then the whole movie gets better from that one line. Akira's more freaky-weird, psychological, impressionistic. Ghost in the Shell is more concrete, more plot-oriented, has better naked bits. Oh, the music in Akira's really cool and the vehicle designs are more cooler. Get both.

I sure hope... (1)

bucky0 (229117) | more than 13 years ago | (#478642)

Man, I hope that they dont cut out scenes... Every good anime I have see has been a OVA subbed tape, because americans tend to cut out all the good stuff

My $.02
-Bucky
The few, the proud, the conservative.

Re:A big MPAA lie. (1)

CommieOverlord (234015) | more than 13 years ago | (#478643)

But in Ancient China they COULD.

Have humans evolved in the past 1500 years? Have we lost the ability to fly? Although I suppose that would be more like de-evolution. Have the laws of physics concerning gravity been altered

Or, have you read in history books that Wudan Warriors really could fly. And St. Patrick really did drive the snakes from Ireland, and St. George really did kill a dragon.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the movie and will be back to see it again. But please don't claim that the ancient Chinese actually posessed the ability to fly. I'm assuming that what you said was in a serious fashion, but that Superman comment threw me off.

There is a god (1)

KagakuNinja (236659) | more than 13 years ago | (#478645)

A new dub track is also being produced[...]

THANK YOU JESUS!!!!

I was afraid this was going to be the revenge of bad Streamline dubs. Maybe another "anime festival" featuring Akira, Fist Of the Northstar and Lensman.

I didn't realize Carl was out of business. I'll never forgive him for what he did to Captain Harlock...

Re:Anime gives geeks a bad image (1)

Daegred (247191) | more than 13 years ago | (#478647)

I'm suprised you didn't mention the mainstay of all hentai anime, the TENTACLE RAPE MONSTER!

To make it enjoyable... (1)

Luggage (250884) | more than 13 years ago | (#478648)

...perhaps including some kind of halucinogen with the movie would make it more enjoyable. The plot's almost impossible to follow, but I'm sure that all the flashes of strange color would give an interesting back drop to a halucination.

Neo-Tokyo is About to Explode! (1)

derf77 (265283) | more than 13 years ago | (#478650)

Now I can throw out my vintage sealed box VHS tape.. erm, did I say that?

Re:When you're done with the testosterone trip... (1)

SuperSnail 2000 (302447) | more than 13 years ago | (#478652)

Sakura Diaries. A teenybopper trying to seduce her cousin! Not really what I'd call a worth while purchase!

I like the anime style, and my sister knows that, so she got me a couple of DVDs for Xmas (Kite and Sakura Diaries Ch 1). She aparently does not understand the appeal anime has to me.

She apparently believes I like it for the sexy aspect that many titles have, while I really like the style because of the action, dazzleing images and story, things you simply do not see in live action films, things that american animation do not offer (Titan AE... what a piece of shit!).

I must admit, that while Kite had an aspect of being very sexy on one hand, it still had enough action and eye candy to make it a worthwhile view. Sakura Diaries, however, was pathetic.

Yay Akira! Now what about VHD and GitS? (1)

subbiecho (303134) | more than 13 years ago | (#478653)

I wanna see 3D enhanced, kickass theater re-releases of VampireHunterD [altvampyres.net] (supposedly scheduled for U.S. re-release early this year) and Ghost in the Shell [manga.com] . If we get those, we'll have all three of my faves back on the big screen! yay! And yes.. the Akira comic ROCKED!

Blah... (1)

ryox (304654) | more than 13 years ago | (#478654)

Not the best anime but yet it has droves of mindless fans, who I loving refer to as "Akira Heads". Almost as bad as Salior Moon or Dragon Ball Z kiddies... LAME.

Just wondering.. (1)

Brandonr17 (304889) | more than 13 years ago | (#478655)

I'm just curious, but why was it 'taken away' from the US in the first place? I remember it from a few years ago but havn't seen any ads in a very long time.

Re:Anime gives geeks a bad image (1)

Karkya (305020) | more than 13 years ago | (#478656)

(1) BTW - the actual Dragon Ball saga is very different than DBZ. The live action movie is a hoot, and the plot is actually based on some real folktales.
I hate to tell you that the original Dragon Ball saga is based on the Journey to the West inasmuch as Stargate is based on the Egyptian Book of the Dead---people got the same names and they're on a quest for an item, but the similarity ends here. It does have its share of philosophical insight however, especially towards the end, where the issue of dualality between good and evil is touched.

Borrowing elements from earlier works does not necessarily make a work bad, and in fact, the original Dragon Ball sage is a damn fine piece of work. Also, the part about the monkey god in the Journey to the West is vaguely based on Hanuman in the Hindu epic Ramayana and the ascension of Vayu in earlier canons. Journey to the West is nevertheless considered one of the four greatest Chinese novels.

damn face (1)

The0retical (307064) | more than 13 years ago | (#478657)

hey u guys at slashdot could you at least show the anime community the respect of not putting the face of such a shitty series on your site. that is one of the last things that i need to see. do something kewl like put Kamwi's (for those of you who dont know hes from X) face on i really dont like that sad excuse for a show. Down with those damn Pokemon too. Watch movies not that worthless series BS.

Re:Anime gives geeks a bad image (1)

Gord_McLeod (307670) | more than 13 years ago | (#478658)

Actually 'Anime' is the French word for animation, not Japanese. It's been adopted as the accepted term for what used to be commonly known as Japanimation, however.

Ack, it'd better top Mononoke... (1)

sc_demandred (309821) | more than 13 years ago | (#478659)

I would only support a dub that had more appropriate actor choices. Claire Danes was forgettable in Mononoke, and Billy Bob Thornton was flat-out miscast.

Just give us subtitles... hollywood would probably cast nick cage as Tetsuo and Jack Nicholson as Kaneda. I haven't seen many anime films where the dub is better than having to do a little reading

Re:Blah... (1)

warp1g (309852) | more than 13 years ago | (#478660)

Oh no, Im so shocked, MANGA SNOBS! Since when do self proclaimed otaku get to be uppity? o1nk

Re:Akira (2)

Kyusaku Natsume (1098) | more than 13 years ago | (#478662)

IIRC, is because Streamline Pictures got out off business. They got very good franchises, but with the exception OF Akira, the company was famous for cutting the movies to make them more politically correct.

Well, it was Carl Macek's company, so it isn't estrange, he was the one who made Robotech, from 3 different TV series, and cut the Macross movie in to "Class of the Bionoids" ouch!!

But will it be re-dubbed? (2)

Toddarooski (12363) | more than 13 years ago | (#478663)

I'm all in favor of a nice, visually-pleasing restoration, but I'd be even happier if they could give it the ol' Princess Mononoke treatment. (Hire a professional writer to re-work the translation, get some better actors instead of the usual "five voices that you seem to hear in every Anime film", that sorta thing.)

I do realize, of course, that real Anime fans are supposed to listen to the Japanese track only and read the subtitles, but I always find that reading subtitles tends to take my attention away from the visual elements, which is usually the main draw of these movies in the first place.

It's probably not in their budget, though. Anybody know how much it cost Mirimax to re-dub Princess Mononoke?

I'm not a troll.. (2)

Greg@RageNet (39860) | more than 13 years ago | (#478665)

Crouching Tiger has already been released in DVD in Hong Kong (region 3). Thus it was available for 'home viewing' prior to it's theatre release in US. There are plenty of copies available on e-bay [ebay.com] .

-- Greg

Damn Straight (2)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 13 years ago | (#478668)

I saw Akira (English Dub) on the big screen in an art theater in (of all places) Montgomery Alabama. I have the Japanese version with English Subtitles on VHS tape. While the VHS version is good and all and I prefer the original Japanese, there's just nothing like seeing it on the big screen.

Of course, I'd be more inclined to see something on the big screen if it didn't cost $8. Another good reason to check out your local art theaters...

Re:Anime gives geeks a bad image (2)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 13 years ago | (#478669)

While I've never actually seen any of the Akira series, I have (regretablly) had the opportunity to view several other "anime" movies...

Then how the hell do you know what Akira is like?

"Anime" is the japanese word for 'animation.' It's not a genre.

You're lumping G-rated, X-rated, and everything inbetween into one generalization. Idiot.

[later:]

...that foul degrading filth such as this has no place in the homes of God-fearing Christian Americans. Scenes such as fecalfilia, gang rape, and the senseless murder of innocent caucasians.

You don't have a bible in your home? It's all in there, ya know.

[still later:]

...strong leadership of George W. Bush...

Dubya have never lead anything that required strength. The Carter administration will look powerful compared to this one.


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Re:Anime gives geeks a bad image (2)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 13 years ago | (#478670)

I'm not sure why you would consider Akira to be "one of the best movies out there" unless you enjoy staring at unrealistic gore, explosions, and shiny things for hours on end.

You said earlier that you had never seen Akira. So, how would you know if it had a plot or not?

My opinions apply to Anime as well as other "bad" movies, as you so eloquently phrased it.

Once again, 'anime' is not a genre.

It is high time that the competent leadership of our country takes action to stop this perversion of our culture with the Japanese menace that is Anime.

Which perversion? Totoro? Grave of the Fireflies? Speed Racer?


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Re:Anime gives geeks a bad image (2)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 13 years ago | (#478671)

most of the media you have previously mentioned have at least some redeeming aspects or artistic value, while Anime does not.

How would you know if Japanese animation had redeeming aspects or artistic value? Apparently you've seen less than 0.01% of what's available.


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I'd like to see a rerelease of Honneamise (2)

MsGeek (162936) | more than 13 years ago | (#478672)

Royal Space Force: The Wings Of Honneamise was the first great opus by the wild gang of Otaku turned animators called Gainax. Gainax later gave us Nadia, the series that some claim the upcoming Disney movie Atlantis is based on, and Neon Genesis Evangelion, the awesome series that has been incredibly influential on everything that came out after it from Japan.

It was sort of like The Right Stuff, but set on a planet where a great conflict not dissimilar to World War II had been raging for decades, not years. Aside from one nonsequitur rape scene which could be excised without screwing up the plot, I believe it could become THE breakthrough movie for Japanese animation in the US. Without that one flash of skin, it's fine for family viewing.

Someone's got to sit Tom Hanks down and get him to see the movie...his love of the history of spaceflight would really get him excited about it. Maybe his Playtone Productions could bankroll a theatrical re-release in the US.

In 1997 Gainax did a 10th Anniversary re-release of Honneamise in Japan. It included THX sound and a remix of the score done by the incomparable Ryuchi Sakamoto. So there is a high-quality digitally remastered version available to work from.

Since Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon proved that US audiences WILL sit through a subbed movie if it kicks enough ass, a dub might not be necessary. However, an intelligently-done dub that preserves Sakamoto's score and the sound effects and uses a well-written dubscript (Mononoke Hime is a worthy example...it is lovely prose, although Miyazaki's own translated words are sheer poetry) wouldn't be bad. In fact, Hanks would be a great voice for Shiro Lhadatt, the misfit kid turned fly guy.

I don't know WHO has the rights to Honneamise...I think it's Manga Entertainment but I don't know for sure. But Honneamise is as important, if not MORE important to the history of Japanese Animation than Akira. It deserves an US theatrical rerelease.

Oh yeah, don't get me started about the unavailability Stateside of the two Evangelion movies, Death And Rebirth and End Of Evangelion...


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Re:Anime gives geeks a bad image (2)

atrowe (209484) | more than 13 years ago | (#478674)

I've never seen any of the movies you mentioned, but the reason the "thought police", as you phrase it, have been unsucessful in banning movies, magazines, and books is that most of the media you have previously mentioned have at least some redeeming aspects or artistic value, while Anime does not.

Re:Anime gives geeks a bad image (2)

bakkajin (226147) | more than 13 years ago | (#478675)

If you don't want to watch anime, then you can't be forced to watch it. You are also lumping all anime into one big group. I wouldn't consider "My Neighbor Totoro" or Princess Mononoke as being harmful to anyone. Also isn't banning something just become you don't like it against the first amendment. The thought police have tried to ban movies, magazines, books, etc. and they seem to have failed everytime.

Re:A big MPAA lie. (2)

tewl (226290) | more than 13 years ago | (#478676)

In my opinion, seeing a film on the bigscreen is the *only* way to see it. Especially a high end/ up-to-date theater. It's the way the director wanted you to see his/her artwork, not on some crummy television screen where it's a crapshoot with quality. I'll pay 8 bucks any day to see a great film on the big screen.

Re:Anime gives geeks a bad image (3)

JabberWokky (19442) | more than 13 years ago | (#478677)

, I have (regretablly) had the opportunity to view several other "anime" movies

Hey! A Troll - and now for some real(ish) content:

Akira is *not* one of my favorite movies, as a dialogue-free build up to Tetsuro the rapidly expanding Swanson family dinner is not my cup of tea. However, it is far better than the "Fist of the North Star", "Dragon Ball Z" genre(1).

So, hell... it's been awhile since the "What is good Anime?" thread started. Here's my contribution:

If you like golden age SF, try "They Were Eleven" (the Manga "2001 Nights" is much better). Cyberpunks like "Ghost in the Shell", the Manga is rather more zany but also much more interesting philosophically. "Serial Experiments: Lain" is good along the same lines (ish). "Cowboy Bebop" is possibly one of the best series released in America: it claims to be the synthesis of a new genre, and pretty much is... winding Jazz, Westerns and Space Opera into tight scripts. And if you watch all of "Neon Genesis Evangelion", then the (as yet unreleased in America) movie "End of Evangelion" is the closest thing to modern art as a cinematic work that I have seen. Abstract and primative shapes and images work to create an emotional thrust that arcs, crashes, and arcs again. Splendid, if you are into that sort of thing.

So, yeah... there are baser Anime out there, but there are some other genres of animated japanese art that are worth considering.

(1) BTW - the actual Dragon Ball saga is very different than DBZ. The live action movie is a hoot, and the plot is actually based on some real folktales.

--
Evan

AICN info (3)

ajs (35943) | more than 13 years ago | (#478678)

Ain't It Cool News has slightly more news [aint-it-cool-news.com] on their site. In general, such items tend to show up on AICN first (from which Slashdot has gotten more than one headline in the recent past).

I look forward to the re-release. There were a lot of things about Akira that might seem minor today, but were HUGE at the time. The two that come right to mind are:

  • Akira was the first animated movie to use computer-generated wireframes for all of their perspectives. This is why the obviously hand-drawn cityscapes have perfect perspective through long, and often complex pans.
  • This was the movie that convinced the world that animation != cartoons. The level of gore and adult plot you might actually have to think about stunned most non-Japaneese that saw it (I know I was one).

If you want the Real good stuff... (4)

Lotek (29809) | more than 13 years ago | (#478679)

Then you need ot go to your local comic book store, and have them start bringing in the reprint of AKIRA for you.

Some of you may remember the Epic Comics release of Akira back in the 80's that Hemos referenced... Well, Dark Horse Comics [darkhorse.com] has gotten the rights to this fantastic series, and is going to reprint the entire run, in the form of six HUGE trade paperbacks. Granted, these are not in color, (the original japanese version wasn't either, I think..) but they have a new, more accurate and understandable translation than the Epic run.

Dark Horse is also publishing Trade Paperbacks of the truly awesome Lone Wolf and Cub [darkhorse.com] , another comic that was all over the place in the 80's. This one is the complete, in-order run. (And its supposed to be on the order of 6000+ pages long!) Dark horse is bringing it to america in its a original, paperback-sized format that it was released in Japan. Both of these are not to be missed, and are worth every penny.

A big MPAA lie. (4)

Greg@RageNet (39860) | more than 13 years ago | (#478680)

'Why would anyone go out and spend their hard-earned money to see a movie when they could download it from the net for free?'

If anything the last two re-releases 'Legend of Drunken Master', and 'Crouching Tiger...' have shown that people will go to theatres and pay for what's been available more cheaply on VHS. Same with Akira. There's value added by seeing something on the big screen or getting inserts / liner notes with DVD's you could otherwise download.

It's pretty clear that open availability of a movie will not drive the movie industry out of business, shooting a big hole in their argument on why everything must be encrypted and propriety.

-- Greg

The entire thread condensed into one post: (4)

Dirtside (91468) | more than 13 years ago | (#478681)

Akira sucks! It's just overblown because it's so popular, it's not really that great!

Akira was a milestone! Excellent animation, an intriguing, deep story, and more!

Why would you see this for free? You can download it for free on the net!

Because, you dumbass, seeing a movie on a GIGANTIC SCREEN is somewhat more impressive than seeing it on a tiny computer monitor!

Movies suck!

They're making a live-action version of Akira, with Natalie Portman and Leonardo DiCaprio as the blue midget psychic children!

*phew* Glad I saved us all that effort.

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