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Feds Seize Korean Movie Download Portals

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the aju-massi-sumnidad dept.

Piracy 215

SharkLaser writes "Homeland Security's ICE unit has just started another phase of Operation In Our Sites. Last week the seized sites were selling counterfeit goods, but this time the list consists solely of movie download sites. ICE has now seized the domains of 11 Korean movie download portals. This is first time Operation In Our Sites has been expanded to include sites targeting non-U.S. nationals and non-English sites. ICE has since added a message in Korean to the seized sites. Interestingly, while the sites were in Korean, the domain names are all connected to a Seattle-based company World Multimedia Group, Inc."

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First (I think) (5, Insightful)

cpicon92 (1157705) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260466)

Honestly this is getting kind of ridiculous, though. Doesn't the US government have more pressing issues on its hands right now?

Re:First (I think) (2, Insightful)

masternerdguy (2468142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260512)

Do you think the US is going to just pass up a chance to throw their weight around?

Re:First (I think) (5, Insightful)

gVibe (997166) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260920)

Not in a million gajillion years. I mean...who really wants to solve unemployment, education, or the economy anyway...right?!?

Re:First (I think) (1, Troll)

fsckmnky (2505008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260962)

Allowing Koreans to counterfeit and/or pirate US companies products certainly won't create any jobs domestically.

Re:First (I think) (5, Informative)

bzipitidoo (647217) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261484)

Wrong, wrong, and wrong.

You talk of products and of counterfeiting. You are once again conflating the material with the immaterial. Although the term "product" does apply to a movie, there are better terms, such as "data". Nor is piracy is the same as counterfeiting. Counterfeiting also means that the origin of a product is being misrepresented, similar to plagiarism. Pirates aren't claiming to be the authors of a Beatles' song.

You speak of "allowing", as if the default is that copying is hard, and as if some human agency has the power to grant people the ability to make copies, and can take that privilege away anytime. And as if the US has authority over Korea.

Nor do you know what effect it all has on jobs. For all you know, your way would kill jobs, not create them. Your way certainly would hurt the economy, benefiting a few monopolies a little in exchange for a lot of expense for everyone.

Re:First (I think) (5, Informative)

InsightIn140Bytes (2522112) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260968)

US is just scared of rest of the world going forward while they're still lacking in last century. They should know - blatant violation of European copyrights was how US got its power and industry where it is to begin with.

Re:First (I think) (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38261514)

blatant violation of copyrights was how Holywood got its power and industry where it is to begin with.

fixed.

Re:First (I think) (4, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260536)

elections are coming up, maybe?

Re:First (I think) (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260930)

elections are coming up, maybe?

The Democrat party wants more "donations" from the Hollywood corporate entites, sorry, "people".

Re:First (I think) (1, Flamebait)

gVibe (997166) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260996)

Yay! Elections...where millions of Foxnews viewing morons can make uninformed decisions based on what the uber-racist GOP are saying that Obama is doing wrong. And yes, only because he is Black...Look at Clinton -- he did almost the exact same thing in regards to change, and did not get resistance near this level until he got caught getting a blowjob in the oval office. pFFt!

Re:First (I think) (4, Insightful)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261132)

Now, that isn't fair. The GOP arn't attacking Obama because he is black - they are attacking him because he is a Democrat, their natural enemy. They may at times use the blackness in some manner - typically indirectly, by questioning his patriotism or by suggesting that he is a racist himself who will unfairy hurt the white man to enrich his black bothers - but it's his alignment with a major political party that makes him their enemy. The racial is just a tactic.

Re:First (I think) (2)

gVibe (997166) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261322)

No...I'm sorry, but I must disagree. The pure and open blockage of everything Obama tried to do early on, and, among other things, the temper-tantrum outbursts during 2 consecutive State of the Union speeches made my original comment truth in my opinion. Like I said, Clinton basically imposed many of the same tactics for his presidential promises and did not get near the backlash from the GOP that Obama is still getting. By the way, I am a white American and do fully support Obama's efforts to overcome these blockades from the GOP that are -- whether you want to admit it or not -- absolutely racist. Unfortunately, there just are to many idiots in this country and so this probably will be his only chance.

Re:First (I think) (1)

blackpaw (240313) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261516)

Clinton basically imposed many of the same tactics for his presidential promises and did not get near the backlash from the GOP that Obama is still getting.

You must have slept through the whole impeachment thing

Re:First (I think) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38261750)

Too?

Re:First (I think) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38261372)

Really? I thought he was half white. Then agan, I'm a half glass black, half glass white kind of person.

Re:First (I think) (-1)

tompaulco (629533) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261458)

I think you are confused. Obama actually won the last election, thanks in large part to racism and every news outlet other than FoxNews campaigning heavily for him.

Re:First (I think) (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260570)

The only thing America manufactures any more is Intellectual Property.
They needed to act to save Americas only remaining industry.

Re:First (I think) (1)

masternerdguy (2468142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260588)

The only thing America manufactures any more is Intellectual Property. They needed to act to save Americas only remaining industry.

And we're damn good at it too. We make tons of IP all across the quality scale.

Re:First (I think) (4, Insightful)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260636)

It's funny because they probably actually think they're saving it by seizing a domain name. Or that the website was actually a threat to anything.

Re:First (I think) (3, Informative)

houghi (78078) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260916)

Reminds me of the case in Belgium where in the morning providers where blocking thepiratebay.org and in the afternoon all traffic was directed to http://depiraatbaai.be/ [depiraatbaai.be] which is basically the same site.
And done in such a nice way that people don't even had to do anything.

Re:First (I think) (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261102)

No, this falls under the category of "doing something" rather than doing nothing. The doing something will please those who have been contributing heavily to legislators and those in the executive and even judicial branches.

Re:First (I think) (5, Interesting)

failedlogic (627314) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260742)

The great American companies complaining about IP problems are happily headquarted in tax safe havens. They get the protections of American law and Washington policymakers while paying a minimal amount of tax to the American government.

Re:First (I think) (4, Funny)

ThePeices (635180) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261596)

And why should they pay tax? tax money can be used to help other people! How dare they!

Helping people other than me, and without my consent, sounds too much like socialism. Dirty, dirty socialism.

And every God fearing American knows that socialism is a sin, and therefore is the work of the DEVIL!!

And prey tell, who exactly should good American Citizens put their trust in? GOD, that's who, ( the Christian one ), just as it says in the constitution, the courts, and more importantly, on American currency.

So companies are doing America a favour by not committing the sin of paying taxes. Amen!

( If you have read this far, and still cannot see the sarcasm dripping from the gaps between these sentences, then this is not the right website for you )

Re:First (I think) (4, Insightful)

houghi (78078) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260862)

The only thing America manufactures any more is Intellectual Property.

They keep using the word Intellectual, but I don't think it means what they think it means.

Re:First (I think) (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260830)

Like what? Jailing bankers, economy advisors, rating agencies CEO's for fraud, extortion, betting against their clients lying to congress (ahem...), getting 7 trillion with virtually 0%tax then selling it back to the government and the people at interests rate to pay for their bonuses, their credit default swaps, and the damage themselves created and extorted from both public and private (AIG's etc) entities? Oh yes the US government has allot of issues not only right now, but right years ago. See how well they'v been busy at pretending to care while fund raising more bribes...err financial support..incentives...America needs you! god bless America, 999!

Re:First (I think) (3)

gVibe (997166) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260860)

Being American who is disgusted with the state of our nation...I can honestly say no, we don't have anything better to do other than imposing our nonsensical overbearing egotistical attitude. Can someone PLEASE tell me what in the hell Immigration and Customs has to do with movie piracy...?

Re:First (I think) (5, Insightful)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261188)

Can someone PLEASE tell me what in the hell Immigration and Customs has to do with movie piracy...?

It is likely a simple distraction method to make them look like they are doing something. Business 101: If you aren't able to do your given job well, find something else that is visible and do a great job at it. People will then not focus so much on the fact that you aren't doing your job because you have done such a great job elsewhere.

Can't stop drugs crossing the border? Can't stem the flow of illegal immigrants across the fence? Easy, take down a few shitty websites, do a "great job" of it, get in some news articles, maybe get into TV and do a nice show and tell about how much money this is saving the US (it doesn't matter if everything you say is garbage) just say "millions of dollars" and "American Taxpayers", maybe throw in a few "terrorits groups" and button it with "Jobs for hard working Americans!" and you have a wonderful media distraction while drugs keep flowing, people keep jumping the fence.

Sadly, I think that there will be a lot more of your type (Americans who are disgusted with the state of your nation) long before anything positive happens. From what I see, there are three types of political views in America at the moment.
1) Happy becuase I am making buckets of money through any means (Small but very connected and powerful group this lot).
2) Disgusted with the state of America (Slowly growing middle class, and generally older or middle aged sensible folks. Remembers the days when America was really something special - and wants it to happen again).
3) I don't give a fuck about anything, or I don't know enough about politics to make an informed stance (This is the real killer. There are so many Americans who seem to be totally and utterly living in a fairytale land of unicorns, fluffy clouds and the "Red, white and blue", getting all their information from Fox News or other similar sources who would likely be totally stunned if they knew what the rest of the world thought of America and it's longer term prospects.

While the media and big business/big government is doing all it possibly can to ensure that group three totally outnumbers group two, I think that it is a slow war of attrition. The glory days of America are fading fast, and while there are still of course bright sparks in otherwise doom and gloom, America needs to learn to compete truly on a global scale again. Not just in small high tech niches, but in day to day manufacturing, tools, construction and really try to force home a concept of getting back to business, not importing anything and everything from some third world country with cheap labour.

Re:First (I think) (1)

penix1 (722987) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261370)

America needs to learn to compete truly on a global scale again .... not importing anything and everything from some third world country with cheap labour.

Now that I've edited out the extraneous words do you see the contradiction you just proposed? You can't "compete globally" when your competitors can use the cheap labour (yes, I'm using your spelling of the word) you describe. The only option is to use the same cheap labour. As long as you have people who are willing to work for 20 cents a day this problem will only be a drive to the bottom an already low earnings is the US. That is the crux of the real problem. Until there is some form of international minimum wage established, the US can't ever compete globally on a level field setting aside countries that actively manipulate their currency.

Re:First (I think) (2)

gVibe (997166) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261392)

Thank-you...seriously. I just needed someone to write it out for me. I get so bent out of shape whenever I think about the state of the nation I call home that I can barely manage a few words before bursting into a rage. I do have to comment about Foxnews once more though...they do have the highest rated show on television, but that is only because they have one unique demographic that no other news based show has --- there is an entire group of people that watch Foxnews purely for the comedy. That is one demographic Foxnews will never admit they have.

Re:First (I think) (4, Interesting)

AK Marc (707885) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261588)

Nothing. The only thing to do at this point is to take up arms. I'm a pacifist kind of guy, so I just got residency elsewhere and moved. I'll be a citizen elsewhere soon enough, and not be necessarily tied to the sinking ship of the US. I'm just hoping the rest of the world can route around the economic damage that is the US.

Re:First (I think) (4, Insightful)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260950)

MPAA, RIAA, and the other alphabet soup organizations OWN the US government. Said government does NOT represent the American people, anymore. That government represents only the wealth "rights holders". A mere citizen is unworthy of congress' attention, or concern.

Re:First (I think) (0)

msobkow (48369) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261248)

If the movie stars and special effects artists who make their money have an issue with the copyright system, they certainly have the money to fight that battle themselves, but it seems they're mostly content to see things continue as they have for decades. Seeing as those people are mostly Americans or people with valid work visas, I would think they are being protected by these takedowns.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: If you're profiting from piracy by selling access to content, you deserve to be crushed the same as any profiteering thief.

And once again, the US government has not gone after the "freetard" sites that don't charge a fee. There are no lost sales with a free site, because the people who use them clearly aren't willing to pay for content, while those who use the pay sites are willing to pay, just not as much as Hollywood would like.

Re:First (I think) (1)

misexistentialist (1537887) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261482)

Immigration enforcement agents have a lot of time on their hands now that the southern border has been de facto dissolved.

Law enforcement multi-tasks. (2)

westlake (615356) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261686)

Honestly this is getting kind of ridiculous, though. Doesn't the US government have more pressing issues on its hands right now?

This is the same question the cop is asked by every white collar criminal he collars.

No matter how small the crime or how big.

It is only a matter of time... (4, Insightful)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260500)

...until the United States loses this power. You can't abuse control of a protocol like this and not have people in other countries (like Europe and Japan) start to wonder if they should break off.

Re:It is only a matter of time... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260566)

Why? .com domain names are US domain names. If they want to have a pirate site in Korea, how about getting a .kr domain name? You do know that the US can only seize US domain names right? If you don't want it taken, then get your domain name registered in your own damn country.

Re:It is only a matter of time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260610)

They're seizing them indiscriminately without any sort of trial or oversight. "This website looks illegal. Seize its domain!"

Re:It is only a matter of time... (0)

InsightIn140Bytes (2522112) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260762)

And for that matter .com is international TLD. United States' gTLD is .us , no matter if you like it or not.

Re:It is only a matter of time... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260882)

Wrong. .com, .net, .org, .mil, .edu are all US domains. That's one of the perks of coming up with the Internet.

Re:It is only a matter of time... (1)

Raenex (947668) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261562)

Wrong. .com, .net, .org, .mil, .edu are all US domains. That's one of the perks of coming up with the Internet.

Yup, pretty cool. Here's Neil Tyson talking about naming rights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oxTMUTOz0w [youtube.com]

Re:It is only a matter of time... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260908)

Oi.. .com is a US tld. No matter if YOU like it or not. Every country in the world has a tld... the US also has .com, .net, .edu, and .org. .com is international like the NYC streets outside the UN complex is international. Lots of people from lots of countries are on it. But its still US soil. You actually GET to the UN complex, and that is international. Just like the actual machine hosting the a site may be international.

Re:It is only a matter of time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38261176)

Actually .com is a US TLD that we allow anyone to register a domain in, whether YOU like it or not. The US, if you are not aware, invented DNS, and controls the original TLD. The country specific TLDs were added later. .com is entirely administered and controlled by and within the US.

Re:It is only a matter of time... (0)

thisnamestoolong (1584383) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261696)

Nope. We came up with the Internet, therefore, the default tld's (.com, .net, etc) refer to sites hosted in the US. For the reason, Great Britain is the only country in the world that does not have the name of their country on their postage stamps. When you are somewhere first, you get the naming rights.

Re:It is only a matter of time... (1)

Penguin Follower (576525) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260632)

Exactly what I was thinking... I don't have mod points unfortunately.

Re:It is only a matter of time... (0)

psiden (1071350) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260650)

Now .com is "commercial" right? Same leage as .net, .org, .info etc. The .us top domain ought to be the only one reserved specifically for the U.S. But even if the U.S. were only meddling with the .us top domain, seizing domains is like jamming radio frequencies! The dns is infrastructure! There must be other and better ways to attend problems. Go for the source, not the dns servers.

Re:It is only a matter of time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260684)

Well when your country invents the Internet then perhaps you can create a new TLD?

Re:It is only a matter of time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260666)

.com.us are US domain names. You may have noticed, though, that the US hasn't bothered appending .us to their domain names. Perhaps we should apply the "use it or lose it" philosophy of trademarks and patent royalties.

Re:It is only a matter of time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260698)

Why? .com domain names are US domain names.

They wouldn't be if you followed the rules and used .co.us

Re:It is only a matter of time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38261190)

We followed the rule of, "we invented DNS, and invented the .com domain, and thus, it is ours".

Not that I agree with this seizure - I don't - but don't pretend we owe anybody else .com. WE invented it, thank you very much, and we nicely allow other countries to register domains within it, but there is no moral requirement for us to do so.

Re:It is only a matter of time... (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261340)

Nobody "invents" TLDs, they are simply registered.

Re:It is only a matter of time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38261578)

Invented **DNS**. Which is true: the US did invent DNS, and set up the original top level domains including .com.

Re:It is only a matter of time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260700)

Why? .com domain names are US domain names.

the .com tld is short for commercial and has nothing to do with the united states. .us is the american tld

Re:It is only a matter of time... (1, Insightful)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260706)

Why? .com domain names are US domain names. If they want to have a pirate site in Korea, how about getting a .kr domain name?

Seriously, I can't believe that this gets modded up on /. still. A .com is NOT a US domain name. The .us suffix is what is used to denote site within the United States of America. The .com [wikipedia.org] TLD is open for anyone to use, though it was designed for a commercial entity with the idea of not being localized to a single country - hence no suffix denoting a country.

Seriously mods, use your brains before you mod up rubbish that belongs on Fox News.

Re:It is only a matter of time... (3, Informative)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260826)

However, it was originally administered by the US DoD and is currently run by Verisign, whom you will note is a US based company and is therefore required to obey US laws. And TFS points out that the domains were "connected" (whatever the hell that means) to another US based company. So, everything about this was entirely US based, despite the sites being in Korean.

Not that that justifies ICE in any way shape or form, but they do have legal authority, or so it would appear.

Re:It is only a matter of time... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38261006)

.com is a US domain name. The domain name system is a name space designed with administrative boundaries in mind. Domains are not primarily tags. The purpose of domains is to separate a name space into sections that are under the control of different entities. The point of country code domains isn't to tell you something about the content of the web site under that domain. The point is to give every country a namespace that they can use according to their own rules. The .com domain is a legacy domain that is administratively overseen by a US company. It is therefore under control of the USA. That is what matters here. What you think the three letters c o m mean in that order is irrelevant.

FAIL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260748)

PROTIP: .com = Commercial (no matter the country) .us = USA

But I'm not surprised you can't tell the two apart, considering that the USA is nothing more than an industrial feudalism.

Re:FAIL! (2, Informative)

AK Marc (707885) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261642)

.com is administered by the US and is implicitly US. .us is explicitly US.

Re:It is only a matter of time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260840)

You can't abuse control of a protocol like this and not have people in other countries (like Europe and Japan) start to wonder how they could abuse it for their own ends.

FTFY

Selling copyrighted material (4, Insightful)

Dan East (318230) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260510)

On first inspection, the majority of the sites offered access to downloads of the latest Hollywood blockbusters for a small charge.

Okay, so they were selling and profiting off of someone else's IP. Doesn't matter who they were "marketing" it to, if the copyright violation crosses into the jurisdiction of the US government then of course they will act.

Re:Selling copyrighted material (4, Interesting)

masternerdguy (2468142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260548)

I agree that the Korean sites were in the wrong and should have been taken down, but is ICE really the right group to do this crap? Isn't there some kind of international thing that should be handling this?

Re:Selling copyrighted material (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260848)

Isn't there some kind of international thing that should be handling this?

Don't think so, I believe that is what ACTA is for.

If that is the other option, ICE doesn't seem so bad.

Re:Selling copyrighted material (3, Insightful)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261472)

There were congressmen comparing ICE to the gestapo years ago.

The moment I knew that Homeland security was out of control happened a few months ago. I was in the City Heights section of San Diego buying beer. Some little Mexican kid jaywalked and ran across El Cajon Blvd in front of an SUV. The SUV, along with another SUV and an unmarked car, pulled into the parking lot the kid ran into and then no less than 6 fully armed ICE agents jumped out of all 3 vehicles and had the kid sitting on the ground with his hands cuffed behind his back. A truly disgusting and overkill display of power. The kid was probably 4 feet tall.

What is especially creepy about this is that all three vehicles were all unmarked GM-made vehicles (undercover cars are always American-made) with inconspicuous non-government ("average-Joe") license plates.

You can rest assured that the DHS are like the Iranian Basij, a paramilitary force bent on enforcing the morality of the citizenry and keeping them in check should they get to loud for the status quo. They will be the ones rounding up the protesters and other undesirables, eventually whisking them away into detention centers.

Re:Selling copyrighted material (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38261692)

Citations on the congressional comments please?

Re:Selling copyrighted material (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260856)

Repeat after me: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY"!
It is a deliberate lie, spread by a tiny part of organized crime that others generally call the "MAFIAA" but actually is much smaller than the real Mafia. (I’m not even kidding. Their global sales volume is about $1 billion dollars. That’s ridiculously low.)
Its purpose is to make you think somebody could own information. Which, just as selling or stealing information, is physically just as absurd as trying to go to a place north of north pole.
And they absolutely need that distortion to justify why they did their service only once, but infinitely want money for it.
Yes, making information is a service. And information is just as much not a product as "painting a wall" is a product.

"IP" is as wrong as a painter asking money for a paint job from each and everyone who ever gets a glimpse of that wall, and suing everyone for $1000000000000 who lets anyone else see it or saw it himself, without first paying the painter.

In other words: It's a (illegal!) racketeering scheme. And you just acted like it's perfectly normal and supported organized crime, hurting creatives (or did you think they get any of that money?) and consumers alike. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Re:Selling copyrighted material (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260958)

Okay, so they were selling and profiting off of someone else's IP

Since I assume you are spreading the "intellectual property" lie and not talking about the Internet Protocol, allow me to say this: there is no such thing as intellectual property. Copyrights, patents, trademarks, and trade secrets are not even in the same category of law as property rights. Property rights do not expire the way copyrights and patents do. You do not have to actively defend your property to retain your property rights, the way you do with trademarks. Copyrights, patents, trademarks and trade secrets are not terribly similar to each other.

So let's start calling this what it is: selling at a profit movies that someone else holds a copyright on, without the permission of the copyright holder. Sorry if that description lacks the shock value that yours did, but at least it is honest.

Re:Selling copyrighted material (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261012)

Copyrights expire???? Not since 1927

Re:Selling copyrighted material (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38261136)

On first inspection, the majority of the sites offered access to downloads of the latest Hollywood blockbusters for a small charge.

Okay, so they were selling and profiting off of someone else's IP. Doesn't matter who they were "marketing" it to, if the copyright violation crosses into the jurisdiction of the US government then of course they will act.

Wow! What a great business model. If you were in the movie making business, you'd want to get that shutdown pretty darn quickly!

Re:Selling copyrighted material (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38261266)

... you're obviously american. You get all kinds of services there, like netflix and others. In the rest of the world there's no such thing. Why? Because, it's impossible to create such a service outside. The IP laws were created to make money despite the different wording, that was the reason they were written.

Anyway, ICE is obviously headed by idiots. Despite what sites they target, people's first and lasting impression will be "those damn americans are fucking the internet again". Not that it isn't true.

Ugh (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260514)

I mean, regardless of the goal, something feels wrong about handling foreign sites like this.

Ridiculous (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260516)

Further proof that the US Govt/ICE is a police whore for the Entertainment Industry.

Re:Ridiculous (1)

prehistoricman5 (1539099) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260692)

So how is selling movie downloads justifiable? They were profiting off of the work of other people; these sites were the digital equivalent of the guy around the corner who sells bootleg movies. Although I disapprove of the method, it doesn't magically make the site operators right.

Re:Ridiculous (1)

SharkLaser (2495316) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260746)

The Pirate Bay profits from their site too. Million dollars a year, as well.

Re:Ridiculous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38261110)

Didn't you know? ICE = Integration Customs and Entertainment

But illegals with fake health cards make our food (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260578)

The ICE charter says specifically that they're supposed to enforce immigration laws, laws against hiring illegal aliens and laws against border crossing - instead they have become mercenaries for the global copyright cartel.

The way it works is the media cartel shills propaganda for the occupational government and in turn the occupational government squanders tax payer resources to enforce monopoly profit levels for the media cartel's outdated business model.

Re:But illegals with fake health cards make our fo (4, Insightful)

masternerdguy (2468142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260634)

Vote with your wallet. If you're really against big media don't consume their products*. There's tons of high quality CC licensed, and independently produced, media out there. Otherwise quit your bitching.

*That doesn't mean you can pirate them. Consuming them anyway without paying isn't a protest.

Re:But illegals with fake health cards make our fo (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260718)

That doesn't mean you can pirate them. Consuming them anyway without paying isn't a protest.

Gee thanks, idiot-who-thinks-he-is-some-sort-of-authority-figure. I'll be sure to follow your "rules". Get off your fucking HIGH HORSE already, youklakl;lk;kl; GODDAMNED ASSGHOLEASJJKLJKLJKLAJK

Re:But illegals with fake health cards make our fo (1)

JonySuede (1908576) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260918)

Try cocaine instead of crystal meth next time. Your ramblings will appear far more coherent, trust me ;)

Re:But illegals with fake health cards make our fo (1)

RandomAvatar (2487198) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260778)

I fully agree. One way I do this is by watching fan-subbed foreign films that have not yet been licensed in North America, and consuming free products instead. I actually find them to be of much higher quality than that strictly controlled crap anyways.

Re:But illegals with fake health cards make our fo (1)

penix1 (722987) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260900)

Vote with your wallet. If you're really against big media don't consume their products*..

I get so fucking tired of seeing this crap. Just how do you "consume" the intangible (ideas)? Just how is that a "product"? It isn't either yet those who seek eternal payment for it will try and express the intangible in tangible ways.

There's tons of high quality CC licensed, and independently produced, media out there. Otherwise quit your bitching.

Like? Most of the CC stuff I have seen is pure and utter crap or is the length of a normal movie trailer.

And if that is the case why aren't you seeing more in the "main stream"? After all, companies are always looking for the cheapest means to profit and CC offers that.

Re:But illegals with fake health cards make our fo (4, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261736)

Vote with your wallet

Sounds like wealthy people get more of a vote than I do.

Re:But illegals with fake health cards make our fo (1)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260806)

No. Some of the jackbooted government thugs who used to work for the INS were combined with some of the jackbooted government thugs who used to work for US Customs to form ICE. The others went to the Border Patrol. If ICE did not exist, you'd be hearing about domains being seized by the Customs Service.

Take some of the big names already. (1)

thewickedductaper (1549243) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260660)

I think it would be awesome if they seized thepiratebay.org/ Maybe that would piss enough people off to stop this abuse of power.

Re:Take some of the big names already. (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260844)

I doubt that more than 5% of the American even knows what BitTorrent is, let alone TPB. Most people will never even know this action by ICE took place.

Re:Take some of the big names already. (1)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261234)

If you had 5% of American citizens up in arms over a single topic, angry with government abuse and ready to take a stand for what they believe in, it would be one of the biggest movements in American history. Not even the broken "democracy" system in the US is broken enough to withstand the combined voice of that many voters.

Forget the million man march, this is fifteen million folks. Just imagine that!

Re:Take some of the big names already. (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261328)

Imagine what? I said that I doubted that 5% of America know what BitTorrent is; among BitTorrent users, I doubt that any significant number would take to the streets to protest ICE seizing TPB. Few people will be up in arms; most will just route around the ICE action and perceive it as no big deal.

Where were to people marching in the streets when the court issued an injunction against Napster? That should tell you everything you need to know about the American public's views on these sorts of actions.

Re:Take some of the big names already. (4, Insightful)

houghi (78078) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261036)

Unfortunately it won't piss off enough people. You perhaps can't fool all the people all the time, but you only need to fool enough of them.

The abuse of power has not reached its peak yet. Not even close. It is going to get much worse. This also means when people are fed up with it, the American Revolution will look like a tea party.

I think in 25 to 50 years. This is what history has thought me.

Priorities (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260672)

Is this really priority? US Federal LEO's taking down domains in foreign countries fronting US copyright infringement operations? Wouldn't say, going after domestic (see inside US) gang operations tied to foreign countries running prostitution, drug-dealing, and racketeering be more apt? Seeing as these contribute more to social decay than say, international copyright infringement?

Follow the money, and ease of operation, I guess. Easier to do this, than actually fight true crime inside the US.

Re:Priorities (1)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261402)

The Zetas have actual guns*.

*Courtesy of F&F Guns 'n Ammo [wikipedia.org] .

I didn't realize (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260710)

Korean movies were so popular. ; )

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And how do the Koreans feel? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260722)

Considering that when the CIAA tried to emulate the RIAA by suing fans, every actual Canadian artist jumped ship. I haven't heard that much about Korean views on piracy, but considering how Korean shows are JUST starting to take hold in North America, they might not be too happy at the loss of the potential fan base those sites were creating.

Homeland Security? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38260808)

How is this related to terror threats? To answer my own question, probably isn't but DHS was in part a reorganization of US Customs, so it makes sense in some warped way -- take an underfunded and far from sexy agency and sex it up to give it more cash.

Re:Homeland Security? (1)

penix1 (722987) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261270)

Let's get this right... DHS is FEMA in drag. I was in FEMA at the time of the changeover. They took an agency that barely had the staff to do its current job and made them do double duty adding in terrorism. I left the agency two years after when I saw it going down the drain.

Lets see the US gov take down YouTube (1)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260838)

Lets see how brave the ICE fags are.

Re:Lets see the US gov take down YouTube (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261526)

That's ok. At the rate they take down (or let others take down) videos and their audio tracks, and with how easily comments there yield silly one-on-one arguments (when they're not "%dislike_count% people %snarky_comment_about_dislikers%", outright spam, or simply dumb), YouTube is taking down YouTube just fine.

Fun while it lasted, I guess. Can't have so many GBs of homemade videos on a website forever...

How P2P died and corporations won (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261720)

Once upon a time, there were P2P networks where people shared videos using a highly distributed, hard to control system. You could search the networks and find funny things. There was some copyright infringement, as one would expect. A lot of people were too technically illiterate to figure out how to use P2P networks, or were too illiterate to recognize the viruses that unfriendly people were sharing on the networks.

Then wave after wave of lawsuits hit P2P network users. Although people were more likely to be hit by an out of control car than to be sued, sufficiently many people were scared that P2P networks started to die. The corporations that were doing the suing hated P2P, because sending C&D and DMCA takedown demands to random home users was just not something they could do in any effective way. Out of the ashes rose new, centralized systems that were easier for illiterate people to use and simultaneously had the resources to handle a flood of DMCA takedown demands. Life seemed to be good for everyone -- the users could remain stupid and unempowered, and the corporations could continue to rake in cash.

Now we are stuck with massive, centralized systems that are easy to censor, easy to attack, and easy to control. Hackers lost that round, corporations won, and ordinary people remain as oblivious as ever.

Constitutional protections for non-Americans? (1)

J Story (30227) | more than 2 years ago | (#38260852)

It seems to me that the only real check on American "law" as it pertains to non-Americans and other nations is audacity. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't due process something that happens within the US itself?

Is there a list of TLDs? (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#38261366)

So ICE only "captures" domains in US-controlled TLDs. What's exactly the rule to decide that? For example, what about geographic but not country specific TLDs like .eu? Are they safe?

ww0t fp.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38261760)

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