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Discouraging Playstation Vita Details

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the blaming-the-media dept.

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itwbennett writes "Sony's new handheld gaming system, the Playstation Vita, launches in Japan in two weeks, and the latest report from Andriasang has some interesting details, including Sony's decision to go with proprietary memory cards. Sony says this is both for security reasons and to ensure a consistent experience for all users, but that 'doesn't explain why they're charging such enormous sums for these cards,' says blogger Peter Smith. 'The caveat here is that we haven't seen official pricing for the cards, but game retailer Gamestop lists them at $120 (!!) for a 32 GB card, $70 for a 16GB, $45 for 8 GB and $30 for a 4 GB.'"

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275 comments

First (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38271826)

which is why I don't buy Sony anymore...

Re:First (4, Informative)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272016)

This also isn't news. When they announced the device months ago they said it would use proprietary memory, and people reported that memory would be really expensive.

The device itself is selling at $250, which really isn't a bad price for the hardware if you look at it. I suspect they're selling the device for a loss and trying to make their money back with the storage.

Re:First (1)

Mordermi (2432580) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272158)

Similar to how they sold the Playstation 3 at a loss and only profited from game sales for the longest time.

Sony memory sticks... (5, Interesting)

spd_rcr (537511) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272520)

This is hardly news. Sony has always gone the proprietary memory format and they have always been much more expensive than the generic equivalent. Is Sony even all that relevant anymore ? I could barely give away my PSP (slim) and don't get me started on the current PS3 with it's ridiculous looking motion controllers is utterly lame next to playing Kinect games on the Xbox.
If the Vita also doubled as a decent phone, gps, and camera, I might take a look at it, but who really needs another web enabled device to lug around. My Windows Phone already ties in with my Xbox and has some entertaining away from the PC/Xbox games ... and it's a day away from getting even more integrated with my Xbox.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/05/xbox-companion-app-for-wp7-will-launch-alongside-the-new-dashboa/ [engadget.com]

Re:Sony memory sticks... (2, Insightful)

Mordermi (2432580) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272564)

Is Sony even relevant? The sales of the PS3 have almost caught up to the Xbox 360, even with being released a year later. Yes, the Playstation Move is really lacking.. But Sony is still a big player in the game.

Re:First (1)

Sexy Commando (612371) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272142)

There is a saying: "sony is guilty, he makes our people angry."

Re:First (5, Insightful)

Firehed (942385) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272324)

It's not like it should come as a surprise to anyone that Sony has chosen to create yet another proprietary format (and attempted to lock it down beyond simply being incompatible with anything else). They got away with it in the '80s and '90s because they actually made good hardware and the concept of interoperability barely existed. The only time they've had any real success with it was Blu-Ray, and I'm sure that hasn't seen the adoption they'd like since legal download services so shortly after its introduction, and their attempts to force it down everyone's throats have certainly been expensive. Today the reverse is true - their products tend to be sub-par and we increasingly expect stuff to work across our devices, but they're still stuck in the past.

Old skool (5, Funny)

Toe, The (545098) | more than 2 years ago | (#38271836)

So, um, does it take phone calls and run millions of apps? Or is it just some kind of limited gaming platform?

Re:Old skool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272042)

So, um, does it take phone calls and run millions of apps? Or is it just some kind of limited gaming platform?

I do appreciate how your sarcasm implies the modern geek world has the long-term memory of a soap bubble. It really does help cement our reputation as a bunch of snide, unpleaseable, pretentious assholes that the other 90% of the world can safely ignore.

Re:Old skool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272124)

Well, to be honest, "Safely Ignore" could probably also be applied to the Sony Vita...

Re:Old skool (3, Funny)

synapse7 (1075571) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272390)

What is this "phone call" that you speak of?

"Security" (5, Insightful)

ksd1337 (1029386) | more than 2 years ago | (#38271842)

"Security" = trying hard to make sure consumers can't jailbreak their own devices.

Re:"Security" (5, Insightful)

sohmc (595388) | more than 2 years ago | (#38271954)

This isn't so much about security as it is about a consistent revenue stream. They're following the "Gillette" model where they take a loss with their actual product, but make up the money in the sale of accessories.

Sony is notorious for this. They have memory sticks that only work with Sony products. This is why I will never buy a Sony product.

Re:"Security" (4, Insightful)

what2123 (1116571) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272022)

The difference with Gillette is that they sold you a product that did exactly what you wanted it to. Sony seems to keep selling things that do something one day, then as if it was a game, take away features to make it less-usable then the previous day.

Re:"Security" (3, Insightful)

Golddess (1361003) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272684)

Sony seems to keep selling things that do something one day, then as if it was a game, take away features to make it less-usable then the previous day.

I dislike Sony as much as anyone else here, but OtherOS is the only thing I've seen like what you've just described. What other things have they taken away from products after purchase?

Re:"Security" (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272782)

Playstation 2 slim dropped support for a hard drive making it incompatible with FFXI and had several backwards compatibility problems withe PS1 games that the original PS2 did not.

Re:"Security" (1)

Pf0tzenpfritz (1402005) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272766)

The difference with Gillette is that they sold you a product that did exactly what you wanted it to.

Yes. They did. Somewhen in the 1980s. But maybe I just had less beard, then...

Re:"Security" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272154)

So they'll be handing out these Vitas for free?

Re:"Security" (3, Insightful)

Starteck81 (917280) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272082)

"Security" = trying hard to make sure consumers can't jailbreak their own devices.

Anyone who is surprised by this has obviously forgotten the whole root kit episode. Sony, I buy as few of your products as I can now.

How long until they're hacked? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38271844)

Sony loves proprietary formats and the market is awash in cheap storage. This is a way to make memory valuable again, but I won't be surprised if someone is demoing a way to use SD cards on the thing within a year of launch.

Re:How long until they're hacked? (4, Insightful)

rwven (663186) | more than 2 years ago | (#38271916)

The problem is that in today's market, with so many viable alternatives for mobile gaming entertainment, the insane cost of memory is going to be a deal breaker for most users.

Sure it has pretty graphics, but that's almost certainly going to be the one-and-only thing going FOR the Vita. I can't think of a single other argument in support of buying one of these.

Re:How long until they're hacked? (3, Interesting)

Synerg1y (2169962) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272090)

Actually, the system is probably targeted at kids than a hardcore IT community like slashdot. Kids have a much easier time begging $100 out of their parents than we have justifying on a product we know is not worth it. The PSP was a dud in this sense, the IT community was able to hack it and trick it out, suddenly you had a 5 year old playing kingdom hearts on it and a 25 year old using a custom browser to access pandora, or bring it on a flight to watch movies. Don't believe me? Look no further than to Nintendo and their handhelds and how they didn't pick up with "big" kids.

Oh well, PC gaming, even on a laptop is where it's at. I do like my pandora PSP though...

Re:How long until they're hacked? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272660)

Here is my take on it:

Of my friends they have the following Consoles and views

1x Nintendo (Wii and DS) buys all games. Some used, some VC some new. Linux user / Used to be solaris admin (freelance pays good) / C++ Guru (multiple OS projects, google now approached him twice to work for them)
1x PS3 Uses it to play Singstar (Ex. FreeBSD user, Beeraholic)
1x Xbox360 .NET Developer very successful enterpreneur. Doesnt really use it besides kinect fun dev

Me, I have a DS and a Wii - both modded, the wii I did myself the DS just uses the right cartridge. I have an old XBOX in the cellar that I dont use anymore. I think Kinect is nifty but it bugs the **** out of me that I can't run my own stuff on it
I'd have gotten a Xbox360 if I could mod it and I'd still buy some games but I refuse to have a brick in my living room that I can't really control

I do own a lot of original games but I always download them first. I refuse to buy something for 50 bucks that turns out to be a short-big-pile of s**t ... If its any fun and I keep it playing it I'll buy it.

xbox and wii user 40, ps3 user 35 and I'm 30

I think that qualifies us all as grown up kids :)

Re:How long until they're hacked? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272424)

The problem is that in today's market, with so many viable alternatives for mobile gaming entertainment, the insane cost of memory is going to be a deal breaker for most users.

Sure it has pretty graphics, but that's almost certainly going to be the one-and-only thing going FOR the Vita. I can't think of a single other argument in support of buying one of these.

Then you are not it's audience. If you want an awesome mobile gaming experience with great social connectivity features, then the Vita is perfect. Here are a few of the Vita's less talked about features:

Web browser and multimedia support (music, videos, etc.)

Built-in Facebook, Skype, Foursquare, Twitter, and Flickr apps

‘Party,’ which lets players use voice or text chat while they play online or use different apps

‘Live area,’ a portal for news and gaming updates from friends.

‘Near’ lets gamers find out what others are playing in the area they’re in, letting them share and discover gifts which can be used in games.

Another app called ‘Cross-Play’ allows gamers to play head-to-head in real time to the PlayStation 3, letting them see PS3-quality graphics on the PS Vita. Players can compete with challenges and leaderboards on the PS3 or Vita and continue their experiences from one console to the other."

Re:How long until they're hacked? (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272738)

This isn't so much a deal breaker for me, I think it's a ridiculously bad idea on Sony's part. This is assuming this is how it all actually pans out.

The real deal breaker for me is if they don't deliver games. I can live with out having a pile of

Well ... (4, Funny)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 2 years ago | (#38271860)

Let's hope they'll invest some of that excess money into administrators who won't just leave the default passwords in place.

Good thing (1)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38271862)

Good thing competitors like Nintendo use standard media for everyth...oh, wait.

Re:Good thing (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272018)

The above mentioned proprietary memory card is for saving, patches, game data as well as DLC. As far as I'm aware they have not mentioned that said memory card would be used for actual games on the system. If we compare this to the Nintendo 3DS we find that Nintendo uses a regular SD/SDHC card for saves, downloadable content and similar while the retail games themselves comes on a completely different medium.

Re:Good thing (2)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272638)

Nintendo doesn't even allow you to redownload online purchases on a replacement system. I'd hardly compare to Nintendo as some bastion of consumer fairness. They have a long history of proprietary storage formats, while the Playstations have used CDs, DVDs, and Blu-Rays.

It's been known since last June that the Vita would use NGV memory cards due to size, weight, lack of noise, and other factors. The only difference with this story is that Slashdot has posted a summary slanting it in a certain direction, because this site hates Sony.

Re:Good thing (4, Informative)

gameboyhippo (827141) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272702)

Nintendo isn't quite as evil as you think. They're just unprepared. My daughter dropped her out of warranty DSi into the toilet. I called them up and asked them how to transfer the save data to a new 3DS (That I had in the closet waiting for Christmas). They couldn't do anything, so they repaired the DSi for free. Outside of warranty. The problem is that people are afraid to ask and see what they can get.

Re:Good thing (2)

DeadCatX2 (950953) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272056)

You mean like the SD card that plugs into the front of the Wii?

Re:Good thing (2, Interesting)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272552)

Nintendo has a history of proprietary storage formats for every single one of its game systems, from the NES to the Wii. Sony has used CD, DVD, and Blu-Ray for the Playstation series.

Hell, the Wii won't even let you plug an external flash drive into its USB port.

Re:Good thing (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272058)

The DSi, 3DS, and Wii have an SD card slot.

Re:Good thing (0)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272528)

The NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Wii, Gameboy, Gameboy Advance, DS, and 3DS all use proprietary storage for games. Sony used CDs, DVDs, and Blu-Rays for the Playstation series.

Re:Good thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272594)

Nintendo uses SD cards to expand storage in the DSi, the 3DS and the Wii. The Wii U will apparently support USB HDDs. Unless you're talking about their proprietary cartridges (that have games loaded on them already) for consoles and handhelds, I don't get what point you're trying to make. Nintendo does make some dumb decisions, but they've been good about supporting non-proprietary storage for at least 5 years now.

Re:Good thing (2)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272692)

The point I'm trying to make is that Slashdot loves Nintendo and hates Sony, and this story (which is very old--NGV cards were known about last June) only exists to serve that purpose, yet Nintendo has a long history of using expensive, proprietary storage formats. The company doesn't even let you redownload purchases from their online store if you replace your device. Your purchases are forever tied to the single piece of hardware you bought.

The fact that the Wii U will "apparently" support USB HDs isn't very encouraging given that the Wii already had a USB port and did nothing with it. Further, the N64 and Gamecube used their own proprietary memory cards, as did the PS1 and PS2. There is nothing new in this story at all except that it serves as another opportunity for Slashdotters to bitch about Sony.

Do Not Want (1)

Sez Zero (586611) | more than 2 years ago | (#38271864)

Playstation Vita: Do not want.

Not much I want from Sony/Playstation nowadays.

Surprised? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38271866)

Someone's surprised that SONY is overcharging for new toys? It's a SONY. You'll be able to get the genuine SORNY accessories a few weeks later.

Re:Surprised? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38271896)

Sonya.

For security... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38271872)

... of our bonuses.

Gouging (4, Informative)

AragornSonOfArathorn (454526) | more than 2 years ago | (#38271886)

If anyone is surprised by this, they don't know Sony.

Re:Gouging (0, Offtopic)

multiben (1916126) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272034)

Gouging? Really? A company trying to protect its profits is gouging? If you don't like it, don't buy it. That's your right as a consumer. It's Sony's right as a company to set their prices. That's part of how a free market economy works. If lots of people don't like it, Sony will change their model. Until then you need to weigh up whether or not their offer is worth your hard earned. It is not your human right to be able to afford a play station.

Re:Gouging (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272080)

"Protect its profits"?

Holy shit dude, I think you need to re-examine your priorities when you start defending Sony for its anti-consumer design quirks.

Re:Gouging (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272218)

Same goes for Microsoft, Nintendo, Pioneer, Onkyo, Apple, shall I go on? I'm not defending these guys, as a consumer. But as someone who hopes to have a business of his own one day, sh!t make profits any way you can! Its a rough world, if I was a CEO I would be trying to get every penny out of my customers as possible without losing them in the process.

Re:Gouging (0, Troll)

multiben (1916126) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272364)

No I don't. *You* need to start thinking like a free individual. Like I said, if you don't like it, don't buy it. It's as simple as that. No one is holding a gun to your head.

Re:Gouging (5, Insightful)

medlefsen (995255) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272756)

So what should a free individual do when they don't like what a company is doing? Maybe refrain from purchasing from them? Maybe tell friends and advise them to not buy from them either? Maybe even go on to a web site and post about it? Tell me when I start suggesting something unreasonable.

I'm not sure how this happened but at some point poeple got confused and started thinking that because companies are set up to always maximise profits we shouldn't be allowed to criticize any of their attempts to do so. There is a difference between wanting government regulation and using your right as a free person to criticize the actions of a company.

Sony is being anti-consumer and as a consumer that pisses me off. Other companies have found ways to make money without resorting to the lock-in BS that Sony prefers. I will not buy from them, and I will say why very loudly so that they and everyone else knows exactly why they aren't getting my business.

Re:Gouging (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272306)

Protect it's profits by offering standardized product interfaces :)

Re:Gouging (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272064)

Indeed. After what happened with the PS3, I know I am not buying any more Sony products. This is not a company that respects its customers.

Ahem... (5, Insightful)

Moheeheeko (1682914) | more than 2 years ago | (#38271894)

'doesn't explain why they're charging such enormous sums for these cards,'

Because they can.

Re:Ahem... (1)

korgitser (1809018) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272238)

Sony says this is both for security reasons and to ensure a consistent experience for all users

Actually it even says right there - they want to secure a consistent revenue stream from all users. Imagine what would happen when an user only spent money once...

Re:Ahem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272414)

Imagine what would happen when an user only spent money once...

People would be more inclined to buy thier future products because they wouldn't get charged for bullshit that isnt needed.

Re:Ahem... (1)

rssrss (686344) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272824)

Moheeheeko: 'doesn't explain why they're charging such enormous sums for these cards,' 'Because they can.'

They can charge anything they ant to charge. That does not compel anyone to purchase the gizmos. Right now their US sales are zero, and they may stay that way.

Third Party Adapter Market (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38271900)

This just means that someone in China will be making money off selling an adapter for microSD cards.

Apple must use them (4, Informative)

Warwick Allison (209388) | more than 2 years ago | (#38271966)

Apple does exactly the same thing with iPad and iPhone prices, but doesnt let you swap the mysteriously expensive memory "cards". Clearly it's all about the value to the consumer, not the cost of manufacture.

Re:Apple must use them (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272204)

Always has to be a retard in the mix. What on earth does Apple have to do with this story? How is the flash drive soldered onto the logic board of an iPad and iPhone even relevant. Douche-bag attention whores will always be Douche-bag attention whores....

Re:Apple must use them (1)

wfolta (603698) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272432)

Apple does exactly the same thing with iPad and iPhone prices, but doesnt let you swap the mysteriously expensive memory "cards". Clearly it's all about the value to the consumer, not the cost of manufacture.

Huh? The iPhone and iPad have been competitive on the price front, and in fact it's taken two generations of the iPad for a viable challenger to emerge based on cost. Heck, Apple's the only manufacturer to stand up to the carriers and demand a better experience for users. All the other manufacturers -- including Google -- treat the carriers as the customers and please them first.

Re:Apple must use them (2)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272572)

I'm an admitted apple fan-boy, but do you really think it costs Apple anywhere near $100 to give you an extra 16 gigs of storage on iPhone and iPad?

This is Sony (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38271976)

The reason they're doing this is because fuck you.

Sony's just being Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38271998)

Has Sony ever abstained from trying to establish their own proprietary format? Have they ever succeeded? Nothing to see here, move along.

Re:Sony's just being Sony (1)

s4ndm4n (1361751) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272214)

They established and won with Blue Ray. Hmmm.

Re:Sony's just being Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272554)

They established and paid off the competition with BluRay.

There, fixed that for you.

Re:Sony's just being Sony (1)

M0j0_j0j0 (1250800) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272744)

It is a standard yes, but not with a huge success, it became the standard physical support at the same time contents non-physical boomed.

Re:Sony's just being Sony (1)

tibman (623933) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272436)

um.. blueray? Other than that, i can't think of one. UMD was crap because nobody could use it. Memory sticks were pricey when they first came out but usually adapters could be found for loading content onto it.

Re:Sony's just being Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272806)

Ever used a CD?

These new memory cards feature high-precision... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272036)

...binary digits, featuring 4-digits of precision.

This is four times as precise as previous bits and easily justifies the increase cost.

SONY == EVIL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272044)

whats so hard to understand about that...

At Least MS (3, Interesting)

AdamJS (2466928) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272060)

At least Microsoft will actually tell you that they're trying to rip you off. Sony pretends like they're doing you a favor.

Profit (2)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272072)

Invent cheap microSD to proprietary adapter
Sell adapter bundled with SD cards for half Sony's price
Profit
???
Get sued by Sony

Re:Profit (2)

tragedy (27079) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272156)

Forget sued. The way they'll structure this, and with the various laws and treaties that have essentially been purchased, anyone doing that will probably be arrested.

Re:Profit (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272454)

Be a Chinese reverse engineer
Invent cheap microSD to proprietary adapter
Sell adapter bundled with SD cards for 25% Sony's price
Don't care if you violate a law that applies only to the US
Profit

Of course the picture for resellers in the US is not so rosy, but hey, that's why the Internet exists - buy on eBay, get it in the post the new week.

Just when they were making progress. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272076)

Last year I bought a really nice little Sony camera because it was finally made to support standard SD cards. So one division takes a step forward, and the others leap back. Go figure.

Re:Just when they were making progress. (1)

M0j0_j0j0 (1250800) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272816)

You bought sony device!!! you are o longer in ./ i'm sorry my friend, here i'll take you to the door.

Don't Like it... (1, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272084)

Don't Buy it.

It is only a Video Game System. No one is forcing you to get one.
I'm sorry I feel little pity for people who cry Foul because their Video Games cost too much.

Re:Don't Like it... (1)

Mordermi (2432580) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272258)

I couldn't agree more.

"I'll never buy Sony again." - Okay, don't.

"Sony only cares about money, they don't care about their customers." - They're a busy, money is #1 in every business that isn't truly non-profit.

Is there any other handheld device that can touch the Vita? No. So customers are going to buy it and Sony knows this. Most people complaining about this are probably the same people that wouldn't have bought the device in the first place.

SSDD... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272086)

SSDD, or more like, SS, different new model.

New oddball cards? Check. Looks like memory sticks, then MagicGate memory sticks are not enough. Sony could easily have gone with SD cards which have DRM built on that has yet to be cracked in 10+ years. It would be trivial for Sony to use existing stuff in the field as a standard.

Specialized software? Check. One reason Sony lost the MP3 player market was due to OpenMG, and only that could transfer files. One could compare iTunes to that, but there are ways other than Apple's software to get music on and off an iPod, even if it might require a retag of MP3s.

Lackluster specs, heavy DRM... Sony is setting themselves up just like they did when they put out the first network walkmans that required people to "check in" and "check out" music. After the third checkout, no more copies to players allowed. People got tired of that, and moved to the iPod which had no DRM for a few years, then the DRM it had was easy to deal with.

Does Sony PR read Slashdot? (1)

swb (14022) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272096)

If they do, I want them to know that there were a couple of times I wanted to buy a Sony digital camera, based on some feature or other it had.

But then I realized the camera only worked with a more expensive Sony-proprietary memory card, so I bought another camera from a competitor that used industry standard memory cards that cost less money.

Guess what I won't be buying?

Sony is not the only one. (5, Insightful)

sacdelta (135513) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272130)

The only difference between the iPhone 4s 32Gb and 64 Gb is 32Gb of memory. The difference in price is $100. Are you all going to vilify Apple the same way for not including the ability to insert SD cards?

Re:Sony is not the only one. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272182)

Yes? We do that all the time here.

Re:Sony is not the only one. (2)

spd_rcr (537511) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272558)

Spot on !
Isn't that one of the rally cries behind the whole Android market, cheap standard memory, with a cheap OS, on (cost-wise) cheap hardware.

Re:Sony is not the only one. (1)

AdamJS (2466928) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272292)

An SD card, or rather, an expensive add-on is not [i]required[/i] for the core functionality of the iPhone.

Re:Sony is not the only one. (1)

AdamJS (2466928) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272320)

Ugh. Been posting on Ars too much lately.
To follow up;
the Vita requires a memory card in order to play certain games. As in, they won't even start up if they don't detect a memory card.

Re:Sony is not the only one. (1)

sacdelta (135513) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272446)

Yes, but you can function with one of the cheaper cards, you don't have to have the most expensive option.

Re:Sony is not the only one. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272426)

The only difference between the iPhone 4s 32Gb and 64 Gb is 32Gb of memory. The difference in price is $100. Are you all going to vilify Apple the same way for not including the ability to insert SD cards?

We have been vilifying Apple for this for a long time. And, rightfully so.

Re:Sony is not the only one. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272746)

Uh, yes?

There are basically three reasons why you will never see an iPhad in my hands:

1. No SD slot. Number 1 reason. Primary reason for this is because my storage needs tend to grow. I like the option of paying $200 less for the "mere" 16GB model, knowing that in three years when I need more space, I can drop maybe $50 on a 32GB SD card.
2. No replaceable battery. Batteries tend to wear out after about two years. With the iPhad, you throw it away and buy a new one. You'll note that point 1 has me keeping the device for at least three years.
3. The walled garden. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: everyone has a killer app that Apple refuses to allow them to run on Apple's iPhads. If you disagree, you just haven't found it yet. Give it time. Some day, someone will do something on their Android, and you'll be amazed, and want to do that on your iPhad - only to discover that Apple refuses to let you. On that day, you will be enlightened.

Guess what? Points 2 and 3 both apply to the PS Vita, and if you're unwilling to buy proprietary bullshit media that's only useful in a single fucking device, point 1 applies as well.

Only point 3 applies to the Nintendo DSi/3DS. And only sort of [wikipedia.org] .

Don't Care What Sony Does... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272144)

...since I quit buying ANYTHING with a Sony label on it when they got caught installing rootkits on users computers.
Anyone who still buys Sony products after that little episode does not deserve any sympathy whatsoever.

I know how this is going to end.. (1)

Patron (2242336) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272200)

Hey proprietary memory card, Betamax and Minidisc just called and want to know when you'll be joining them in the kingdom of failed data storage devices.

Re:I know how this is going to end.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272626)

Luckily, CD and Blu-ray took that call, and rolled on the floor, laughing...

Re:I know how this is going to end.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272818)

Bad examples - Betamax became the standard for professional video recording and editing, and MD's were wildly successful throughout China and Japan.

Security (1)

jesseck (942036) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272288)

Listen, guys... of course they use proprietary memory for security. Remember when someone used an unauthorized HDD in their PlayStation last year, and took down the PSN? We don't want that again. So, to ward off the memory card threat, Sony will require you to purchase proprietary cards.

On a more serious note, Sony seems to always have considered accessing your device's hardware a security problem, and have moved to revoke the times they granted that power.

Re:Security (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272662)

If the security of the whole network relies on all connected hardware to be secured, then that network had better not be connected to the Internet. And even if it isn't, isolated "secure" hardware can still get exploited, a la Stuxnet. So don't let your network security depend on the hardware connected to it, and if it does, keep it under lock and key, with zero outwards-facing ports, including USB. Better polygraph your techs too.

Also, and this is a very salient one for Sony: don't piss off the *nix community by pulling the shit they did with the OtherOS. You won't win in the long run, no matter how many people you sue.

Frost pSist... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272302)

Some interesting facts... (1)

s4ndm4n (1361751) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272314)

Sony, in spite of all the negativity continues to be successful. I'm just saying, not everyone complains about the way they do business. Another thing is that just because Gamestop (where I shop as little as possible) has set prices extremely high doesn't mean that's market price. Gamestop is notorious for overcharging for everything in their store in the first place, so that's not much of an accurate picture. On the point of someone mentioning Jailbreaking, not everyone wants to do this for every gadget and device they own. In fact I'd say that most consumers don't. This microcosm of consumers on slashdot is unique in that way. Just my thoughts. :)

Deadpool... (1)

altgeek (557342) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272416)

Unless this console is truly compelling and/or groundbreaking, my vote for D.O.A.

Sony is the god of proprietary! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38272422)

This is the company that at every model change and other opportunity, changes the power connector, power supply voltage, input connectors, output connectors, memory physical design and if possible, internal architecture and media formats, all in a completely transparent grab to wall in the consumer to their products. Look at their cameras, computer products.. A/V devices.. They're even worse than Apple, because they have the hubris to think that consumers care about their products enough to buy the accessories! Hah! At least Apple is successful at indoctrinating the user base into putting up with this crap. A pox on all of their houses!

Shame. (1)

JustAnotherIdiot (1980292) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272480)

Had the included SD cards, I would have considered buying one.
I'm not paying Apple prices on memory cards.

Insult to injury (2)

ianare (1132971) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272490)

Vita will not be recognized as a mass storage device on your computer. You'll need to use a separate utility device.

All for security, and giving dirty pirates no direct access to the device.

*pulls up seat to watch* (1)

goldcd (587052) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272492)

I always get the impression with Sony that a dept carefully gestates their baby - and then the moment it pops out, every dept gets a crack at abusing it.
I presume this all started as somebody designed the thing to be media free, after the wonderful UMD on the PSP (I presume the minidisc dept has been canned, by now). So, it's going to be flash only, like the PSP-Go.
You remember, it was like a PSP without the god-awful drive inflicted, but then you for forced to pay more for your device as the memory dept couldn't give a toss about loss-leaders. Oh and the retail dept couldn't lower the price of the games, as then that would piss off the retailer relations division. So punters pay more for the device AND more for the games AND can't sell them 2nd hand.
Not going to fall for that one again are we?
Ahah - but this time we'll sell you the games for LESS as digital downloads. But won't that piss of the retailers? Noooo as we'll make you go into the shop to buy the card, to then digitally download onto it. B.b.but, doesn't this mean I have to download AND go to a shop? Well yes, but the more you use the card, the more you'll save! Oh, so the more money I give you, the less I get screwed? Precisely.
OK, so if it's a success, and you notice your revenues dropping after screwing us upfront, what's to stop you just raising the price of the digital games? Nooo, we wouldn't do that. OK, maybe not so directly. What's to stop you just doubling the RRP, allowing the retailers to advertise massive discounts and then you insisting that we're still reducing the cost? Erm, next question!
On the bright side, this is clearly going to bomb, so I assume that within months, the thing will get heavily discounted. Ah, you might think that, but what we'll do is just advertise a $100+++ saving, by chucking the memory card that costs us naff all in the box. Yes, sorry, no, sorry, can I just jot this idea down? And then you'll just rack up the digital prices again, won't you to compensate? *sound of crayon on business-plan*
Sony's previous successes have been when one department made one thing and sold it. They have never managed to make a success out of anything due to their depts, just sometimes managed to sneak something out despite them.

bad news (5, Interesting)

Bobtree (105901) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272530)

This was on Kotaku yesterday: http://kotaku.com/5864910/digital-download-discount-for-vita-may-explain-sonys-memory-stick-plans [kotaku.com]

The info is unconfirmed, but it says they're charging 40% less for downloads than games at retail and that's why the memory cards are more expensive. In other words, please pay up front so they can hold your money for you, and very probably the developers don't get a cut.

Crappy. (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272664)

Although I'm wondering what kind of specs are they going to see out of these things. I'm guessing the MemoryStick Duo experience might have taught Sony a lesson about relying on fungible media. Both MSD and SD Cards have the massive downside of being a nice range of crap to awesome. By restricting the kinds of memory cards the Vita can take, I'm guessing they're trying to make the experience consistent. Like the Mini Disc. The specs of current generation discs were pretty consistent. So, say what you will about MiniDisc, atleast it was consistently awful.

Didn't Sony try that before? (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 2 years ago | (#38272698)

Remember the Sony Memory Stick [wikipedia.org] ? How did that work out?

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