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Dell Kills Streak 7, Bails On Android Tablets

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the why-it-seems-like-only-yesterday dept.

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An anonymous reader writes with this news from Network World: "Dell has yanked the Dell Streak 7 tablet computer from its online stores, quietly acknowledging the failure of the Android device to catch on with consumers as the company redirects its tablet focus to combination work/play products. Word of the Streak 7's disappearance follows by a few months the death of the Streak 5, which debuted in summer 2010. The dual-core processor-powered Dell Streak 7 became available in January, marketed as a 4G wireless tablet via T-Mobile's network. Now Dell is directing would-be Streak buyers to Android and Windows Phone smartphones, and pushing a line of Windows Phone tablets for business."

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232 comments

This is Dell (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38280858)

Same stuff they will always pull as long as they accept MS as their supreme overlord

Re:This is Dell (0, Troll)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281042)

I'm sure it had nothing to do with the almost complete lack of consumer interest in Android tablets.

Re:This is Dell (3, Informative)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281230)

I'm sure it had nothing to do with the almost complete lack of consumer interest in Android tablets.

This quarter the iPad is hitting 65% market share. That's a lot, but remember it started the year in the high 90s. The only thing that might keep Android from being the top tablet platform in 2013 is Windows 8, and that's a long shot.

Re:This is Dell (2)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281332)

And Android marketshare went from 34% to 26%. iPad is also expected to grow back to 75% share.

Re:This is Dell (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38281888)

You are getting this 65% market share from android manufacturers SHIPPING numbers. Those tablets aren't being sold. Who cares if Android manufacturers shipped 35% of the tablets out there when almost none (aside from the fire) were sold?

Re:This is Dell (1, Insightful)

trum4n (982031) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281254)

People who buy android typically are smart enough to NOT buy a dell.

Re:This is Dell (2, Insightful)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281644)

People who buy Android are typically people upgrading from a feature phone to a cheap smartphone.

Re:This is Dell (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38281744)

People who buy Android are typically people upgrading from a feature phone to a cheap smartphone.

No doubt true for some, but otherwise this is pure conjecture.

Re:This is Dell (1)

gfxguy (98788) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282086)

True for me, but I don't see what the problem is...

Re:This is Dell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38282152)

I upgraded to Android from iPhone... therefore your conjecture is wrong. I am proof.

Re:This is Dell (1)

Adriax (746043) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282272)

My droid x was a free upgrade and has done everything I've wanted.
What exactly is the problem here?

Re:This is Dell (2)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282432)

GP was making assumptions about how "smart" Android buyers are. Most of them aren't nerds. Most of them are ordinary people buying the non-fruit-flavored smartphone platform that doesn't cost an enormous amount.

Find where I said there was a "problem."

Re:This is Dell (2)

Adriax (746043) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282682)

By call them "cheap smartphones" you invoke images of flimsy feature-less hunks of plastic that can barely qualify for the smart- prefix.

Try using "less expensive" next time, the tablet and smartphone markets are flooded with chinese knockoffs and 3rd shift runs that very much qualify for the "cheap" designation. It's best to draw a very clear line between what you mean and what they make.

Re:This is Dell (2)

RoverDaddy (869116) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282718)

Or perhaps they want a physical keyboard (a friend of mine has chosen Android over iPhone for exactly this reason).

Re:This is Dell (1)

justsayin (2246634) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282480)

And that is the problem. Most people are below average, ;) Place your product where it takes a smart person to use it and you're doomed.

Re:This is Dell (1)

slew (2918) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282664)

... Most people are below average...

Citation please. That implies that the "smart" are way smarter than the "dumb" are dumb. In my experience, the smart really aren't as smart as they think they are and the dumb folks aren't that dumb as they are told they are.

Re:This is Dell (4, Insightful)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281280)

I'm sure it had nothing to do with the almost complete lack of consumer interest in Android tablets.

Its all in the price. Apparently a tablet that is worth about a quarter of an ipad sells really good at a quarter of an ipad price. Trying to sell "not as good as an ipad" for same or higher price doesn't work so well.

Re:This is Dell (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282034)

Or to put it in a different way, people are not willing to spend more on a lesser known quantity. Lets face it, Apple have become very well known the last couple of years...

Re:This is Dell (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38282948)

Known for what? Nice packaging and funky commercials? Name one real product Apple's shipped that's half as good as anyting from a real computer maker (HP/Dell/IBM/Sony) and yet all their stuff still cots 4 times as much. It's all about the marketing and how these people with funky handle bar mustaches like to flounce around with their bags and boxes from Apple like so many fart sniffing bubble car drivers in South Park. Real peple who code their own kernals and IP packets no better!

Re:This is Dell (4, Interesting)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281390)

> I'm sure it had nothing to do with the almost complete lack of consumer interest in Android tablets.

Let me revise and extend you remark to make it more accurate:

I'm sure it had nothing to do with the almost complete lack of consumer interest in Android tablets at close to iPad prices.

Google has been playing games by withholding the source and access to the Market to all of the no-name products while ensuring all of the brand name ones keep their prices out of 'commodity' territory. Now that 4.0 is available perhaps they will allow the clones into the Market and prices to seek their own level. We shall then see if consumers are interested in Android tablets at half the price of an iProduct.

Personally I have zero interest in them at current pricing. They cost a lot more than a netbook yet have less stuff inside and no MIcrosoft tax to explain the higher price. And while the form factor is interesting, the price they pay is being less generally useful than a netbook or laptop. But get em down under $200 for fully equipped ones (GPS, BT, WiFi-n, camera, 1GHz+ CPU, good display) and I suspect uptake will pick up. But the Android forces have pretty much lost this Xmas selling season because there ain't no way products based on 4.0 will make it to stores in quantity this year.

Re:This is Dell (1)

gfxguy (98788) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282136)

I just bought 3 Nook Touches. I honestly don't see the point in tablets at all, but that's just me. The wife and kids all wanted them, though, and were satisfied with the specs. They know they aren't getting iPads. Just saying... my daughter just had her birthday, and the other two are for Christmas... I think these devices are selling wildly for Christmas.

Re:This is Dell (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38281394)

Apple fanboy detected. GTFO.

Re:This is Dell (1)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282466)

LOL he's an apple "fanboy" because he dislikes Dell?

Poser.

Re:This is Dell (1, Insightful)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281404)

More likely it had to do with a complete lack of consumer interest in small, low resolution, pre-Honeycomb, Android tablets. Everyone from Lenovo to Archos is producing better tablets in that price and specification range.

I still don't know why people want tablets. I have a Lenovo 10" myself and don't see what the big deal is. But I can honestly say that there's no way people who want them are going to settle for something like the Streak. It doesn't make sense on any level.

Re:This is Dell (4, Insightful)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281750)

You're half right. While it is true that consumers have an almost complete lack of interest in Android they have an equal lack of interest in IOS. Consumers want gadgets but only if the gadgets high techiness is able to get out of the way and the consumer can do cool things without knowing too much. This is where IOS excels and Android has faltered...until now. While handset OEMs have focused on prettying up the interface to distinguish themselves Barnes & Noble flat out covered up the underlying Android base and focused on User Experience as much as UI. They also hit a price point that was palatable for more of the masses by leaving out the ubiquitous front and rear cameras and a few other bells and whistles and not skimping on the screen or touch interface. Of course the Android community likes to point out how easily hackable the device is but I'm reasonably sure total sales were not overly impacted by this fact. The success of the NC got Amazon's attention and Bezos & Co. have now launched the Kindle Fire. [wikipedia.org] For all intents and purposes a BlackBerry PlayBook [wikipedia.org] without cameras and running Android. The Fire has taken the NC concept and gone even further. By tying the Fire to amazon's cloud services they seek to capture the kind of repeat business Apple has using iTunes. For /. aficionados these devices are toys but for Joe Average these are just what the Dr. ordered. And at $199 entry point they are right at impulse buy territory.

Re:This is Dell (1)

thsths (31372) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282028)

To be honest, who in a right mind would be interested in a Froyo (!) tablet with smartphone resolution (yes, my basement price smartphone has the same resolution) for a price rather close to an iPad? It is not a selling proposition, and it took Dell a very long time to realise that. And don't mention cost - the customer does not care one bit about cost.

Re:This is Dell (4, Insightful)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282826)

Asus is selling 300k units per month of theirs. Lack of interest? Just because it doesn't have a pre-existing audience that would happily buy it even if it was a turd in a white box with Apple logo on it, doesn't mean there's no interest.

Streak failed because it was just plain not good. It shipped with Android 2.2 (not even 2.3), and they have only started rolling out Honeycomb in October - while all their competitors had Honeycomb tablets selling for months.

Dell in trouble (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#38280874)

That's about all that needs be said.

They had a good run, but they are a commodity PC maker and that's about all.

Re:Dell in trouble (3, Insightful)

sheehaje (240093) | more than 2 years ago | (#38280960)

I'd give them more credit than just a commodity PC maker. They have made some significant acquisitions that run a lot of data centers. Equallogic is a fairly big player in mid-size data centers. They also picked up a fairly sizeable software distribution house in ASAP. Dell's problem has been getting away from what they were once superior at: Support. They still sell support, but don't seem to back it up like they used to, and a lot of people are starting to shy away from that.

Re:Dell in trouble (1)

whereissue (2522564) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281132)

"Dell's problem has been getting away from what they were once superior at: Support."

What are you talking about? The awful factor of Dell's support is legendary.

Re:Dell in trouble (1)

burning-toast (925667) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281546)

In my experience if you spend real money on computers through Dell (enough to actually have a sales person contact you, send you quotes, and setup a purchasing contract) your support would have been great and at least used to be to an American call center every timed you had to call in for support (24x7). This support was typically awesome and fast.

Their consumer support where you buy a pre-built boxed set or just a small handful of consumer class machines was almost always a call center in India (except for 8x5 or so) and was terrible in a legendary way.

Similar experience with HP, Compaq, and IBM really. Spend real money, get real support. Buy $400.00 desktop computer and if you run into problems... you get to use the forums and talk to "Jim" who has a thick Urdu accent, a weird 1/4 second pause in the phone call, and a penchant for getting you off the line as fast as possible.

Companies like Packard Bell had legendary bad support all of the time, and crap products too... so there is that too.

Unfortunately the bean counters and board of directors realized that it was a "cost center" and simply switched business support to the same service levels as the consumer support for all except their most valuable players.

So yes, Dell's business support at least used to be excellent (even the standard business support helpdesk was decent).

- Toast

Way back when (5, Interesting)

ISoldat53 (977164) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282458)

Dell had the best tech support. It was what differentiated Dell from the rest. Then Dell hired a management consulting firm to come in and see if there was a way they could improve the business. The consultant's advice was to be more like Gateway Computers and cut back on support. The result went straight to the bottom line and the stock price shot up and management and everybody made fortunes. Anybody with a clue saw what was happening and sold out. The stock price has never recovered and you know what Dell's reputation is like.

Re:Dell in trouble (0)

jseale (691367) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281002)

Yep. Sounds like they're next in line for a bailout from Uncle Sam. Fox News has to be loving this.

It's high stakes poker (1)

caywen (942955) | more than 2 years ago | (#38280886)

It's like a high stakes poker game with a full table. Eventually, players bust out because they bet too much on a losing hand. Dell just doesn't have quite the same mix of top-notch industrial design and capable hardware that the top players have. Neither did HP, and so the weak are weeded out. Windows 8 might convince them to buy back in, but really this is Apple, Samsung, and HTC's game.

Re:It's high stakes poker (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281082)

Don't forget the Xoom. They sold 100,000 of them last quarter. Not too shabby. No wonder google paid 12.5 billion for Motorola.

Re:It's high stakes poker (5, Informative)

blibbler (15793) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281448)

Are you kidding? Some are predicting the Kindle fire to sell 3.9 million this quarter http://recombu.com/news/amazons-kindle-fire-sales-second-place-to-ipad-set-to-vaporise-other-android-tab-sales_M15995.html [recombu.com] , and others are predicting Apple to sell in the order of 13 million iPads http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-11-28/tech/30449262_1_ipads-piper-jaffray-apple-stores [businessinsider.com] .100,000 Xooms is less than a rounding error. To put it in perspective, Windows mobile 7 has more of the phone market than any of the non-kindle android tablets have of the tablet market.

Huh? (1)

HideyoshiJP (1392619) | more than 2 years ago | (#38280910)

Windows Phone tablets? I thought it was just Windows tablets. Windows Phone isn't allowed to be on tablets at this point, if I'm not mistaken. Microsoft only wants Windows 7 and 8 on tablets in the grand scheme of things.

Zune Brown (4, Funny)

CMYKjunkie (1594319) | more than 2 years ago | (#38280918)

They should have sold it in Zune Brown and then you could have been the kewl kid on the block with a new Brown Streak!

Re:Zune Brown (1)

A12m0v (1315511) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282322)

Let's not forget built-in squirting.

my guess is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38280930)

they're getting compensation from microsoft for this.. and that dell will be back with windows-based tablets

Re:my guess is (2)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 2 years ago | (#38280994)

The Streak7 is an awful device. It was laggy and had a painfully low-resolution display (800x480 on a 7".) Trying to continue selling the Streak 5 (woefully obsolete, strange form factor, never found a niche) and the Streak 7 (overall crappy device) at this point would be stupid. Microsoft doesn't have anything to do with it.

Re:my guess is (1)

Air-conditioned cowh (552882) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281052)

Microsoft doesn't have anything to do with it.

Apart from being the inspiration for it!

Android = trash (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38280932)

Android is shit. Dell confirms it.

Re:Android = trash (1, Funny)

Stumbles (602007) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281142)

You got that backwards; Dell is shit and all the other companies having Android devices flying off the shelves confirms it.

Re:Android = trash (-1, Flamebait)

sarhjinian (94086) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281294)

All the other companies like.... who?

Asus shipped a fair number of Transformers (where "a fair number" is "an order of magnitude or more less than Apple) but that's it. Most of the Android tablets are commercial failures, and the top-selling tablet, aside from, well, you know, is the HP TouchPad. I suspect the PlayBook (which sells about what the Xoom does, FWIW) might take that title next.

I'd also add that many Android tablets wouldn't sell at all were it not for the carrier-contract offsets and occasional firesale.

I'd blame Google and the OEMs for this. Honeycomb was kind of, well, unpleasant out of the box, and the hack-job systems integration done by the OEMs only made matters worse.

Re:Android = trash (2)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281410)

Like Samsung (Galaxy Tab). Or Acer.

Re:Android = trash (2)

Stumbles (602007) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281496)

Lol that's some Kool Aid your offering. Its been estimated there are 350,000 Android devices being activated each day. While that number seems high to me, it wouldn't surprise me if its mostly on the mark; http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2011/03/07/in-the-us-android-is-now-the-number-one-smartphone-os/ [thenextweb.com] .

Re:Android = trash (2)

Lokitoth (1069508) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282102)

There are a lot of Android devices being activated, and OP was being stupid by conflating Android phones and Android tablets, but let's not be disingenuous in the opposite direction: Android tablets have not exactly set the world on fire yet. Android on tablets needs a bit more time to mature, and for efficient supply-chains to be built by the various manufacturers.

Re:Android = trash (1)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282850)

Pretty much... I see nearly everyone (non-geeky) who has an android has one because it was either free or a very low price during their Verizon contract renewal.

Re:Android = trash (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281368)

So that's why Android tablets lost 8% marketshare last fiscal quarter?

Re:Android = trash (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281470)

So that's why Android tablets lost 8% marketshare last fiscal quarter?

I suspect it's as much because only Apple fanboys still think they really 'must have' a tablet while the rest of the world doesn't see much use for them. I played with a Transformer at a trade show a few months ago and it was kind of cool but I couldn't see myself doing anything with it that I don't really do with my netbook.

I read an interesting survey a few weeks back showing some huge percentage of iPad buyers bought it on hype and barely use the thing a few months later; I forget what site it was on.

Re:Android = trash (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281682)

There are fewer netbooks in existence than there are tablets sold. That you happen to have a netbook doesn't mean anything for the 99.99999999999 of the population that doesn't.

Re:Android = trash (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281940)

There are fewer netbooks in existence than there are tablets sold. That you happen to have a netbook doesn't mean anything for the 99.99999999999 of the population that doesn't.

A netbook is half the price of a Transformer and probably faster too. So if you're thinking of buying one you could just buy the netbook and save a few hundred bucks.

Re:Android = trash (1)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282496)

If it was about saving money, it'd be better just NOT to buy them.
It's about quality of product, not about saving a few bucks here and there.

Re:Android = trash (0)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282918)

So... what your saying is last quarter 8% of the market was a sudden influx of "Apple fanboys"...
(I particularly hate that blanket term, because your either an Apple fanboy or a consumer of android by that term, apparently...)

I've used android tablets, and operating system aside the quality SUCKED. Dare I say it again, the quality on every Android-based tablet SUCKED. It's the quality of the case, screen, internals, etc. It saddens me that I'm in a world where Apple dominates a market because everyone else is just shitty. The hilarious part is, the retort will probably be that I'm an Apple fanboy lol

Dude.. you're getting a Dell. (1)

Dynamoo (527749) | more than 2 years ago | (#38280992)

..from the crud at the bottom of the bargain bucket.

Good riddance.

Impossible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38281010)

How about that.

It was impossible to hold, slow as hell and cost the world. Nobody bought it.

Revenue model (1, Insightful)

Dan East (318230) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281038)

Well, this pretty much indicates that, at least when it comes to tablets, you cannot make money off of the hardware alone. iPad is still the exception, because it literally defined the market. However, Apple makes so much money off of the App store that they could undoubtedly sell the hardware at a loss and still profit overall. They just don't need to - at least not at this point.

Amazon's Kindle Fire is the only real competition, the reason being that Amazon is an established content provider, and just like Apple, they have their own closed App marketplace that they also profit off of. How can Dell, HP, Motorola, HTC compete in this scenario, when the only thing they can make money off of is the hardware? Their only chance is to partner with someone who does have the content distribution infrastructure, but it seems that chance has already passed.

Re:Revenue model (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38281608)

On a site with incredible ignorance about business, this one is exceptionally ignorant. If you think that Apple is making a lot of more from the App Store, you've been listening to random IT fanboys instead of paying attention to the business facts. The App Store is hugely important to Apple's ecosystem, but there's very, very little profit in it, as compared to hardware profit. You're just plain wrong about this.

Re:Revenue model (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38281754)

Anonymous parent is correct -- Apple makes some money off the App Store, but it really pales in comparison to the profits they are making off product sales.

Re:Revenue model (2)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282540)

If you're going to have a rebuttal, citations are going to be needed. It basically sounded like you said "nuh uh!".

Re:Revenue model (5, Insightful)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281794)

Well, this pretty much indicates that, at least when it comes to tablets, you cannot make money off of the hardware alone. iPad is still the exception, because it literally defined the market. However, Apple makes so much money off of the App store that they could undoubtedly sell the hardware at a loss and still profit overall. They just don't need to - at least not at this point.

Amazon's Kindle Fire is the only real competition, the reason being that Amazon is an established content provider, and just like Apple, they have their own closed App marketplace that they also profit off of. How can Dell, HP, Motorola, HTC compete in this scenario, when the only thing they can make money off of is the hardware? Their only chance is to partner with someone who does have the content distribution infrastructure, but it seems that chance has already passed.

Apple's revenues from iTunes is far lower than the revenues from the hardware. Apple simply does not run iTunes for huge profits, and if it wasn't to sell hardware, would promptly abandon it.

I mean, 30% revenue means less than 30% profit margin after expenses (servers, hosting free content, iCloud, payment processing, etc). I think Apple only took around $1.5B profit from iTunes, and that includes apps, music, books and movies.

I believe the device (iPod, iOS) profit was 20 times that in the same period. Even Mac profit was an order of magnitude higher. than that. It's all in the Apple revenue filings. iTunes just doesn't make more than pocket change for Apple. There's not much of a loss Apple can take on hardware to be made up through iTunes.

Amazon's selling hardware to sell content. Apple's selling content in order to sell hardware (has been true since 2003 when the iTunes Music Store opened). The two can't have more opposite business models. (And Google's offering stuff for free to sell ads). You can see it in the device breakdowns - Apple's hardware really only costs $300 or less to make, while Amazon's basically selling at cost.

And HTC, Samsung, LG, etc seem to be doing fine selling hardware, as does Apple.

The only thing Apple and Amazon have in common is they sell "the whole experience" - devices with the ability to get content easily. Why they offer content may vary, but they know if they make it convenient, people will buy (it's how iTunes became the dominant force in music sales) and gives a lot of legitimacy to the stuff. (People back then accused Apple of enabling music piracy - Apple proved the music industry was Doing It Wrong(tm)).

The other content with hardware guys in the game are Barnes and Noble and Kobo. I don't think the Nook Color is sold at a loss given how B&N seems to let that tablet be hacked trivially.

And nevermind the "success" of such greats like RIM (Blackberry App World), HP (remember WebOS? They had an app store?) who also mixed the hardware-with-content offerings.

tl;dr - Apple doesn't make much money off iTunes - see their last earnings report and hardware sales consistently outdo iTunes sales by wide margins.

Re:Revenue model (4, Informative)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281874)

However, Apple makes so much money off of the App store that they could undoubtedly sell the hardware at a loss and still profit overall. They just don't need to - at least not at this point.

According to the Q3 earning reports, iTunes generates 5% of the profits, with the iPad hardware sales generating 21% . iTunes pfofits are about half music so lets be generous and say 2.5% of the company profits are app sales. Given 47% of the sales being iPhones, and asuming equal ratios, that means about 1.117% of the company profits are due to iPad app sales.

Selling the iPad at a loss would cut an insane amount of profit and generate nearly no extra income, not to mention that a lower price point encourages people with singier pockets to buy it, meaning the app sale percentage will likely go further down.

So apple does need to sell the iPad at a profit.

How can Dell, HP, Motorola, HTC compete in this scenario, when the only thing they can make money off of is the hardware?

Those companies may get a chance once Windows 8 comes out. If managed properly, it may fare much better than the phone offerings. Microsoft will have office for Windows 8 Metro. That alone will surely encourage many consumers that shy from tablets due to productivity concerns, a market Android Tablets does not cover.

Re:Revenue model (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281926)

Microsoft will have office for Windows 8 Metro. That alone will surely encourage many consumers that shy from tablets due to productivity concerns, a market Android Tablets does not cover.

I'm sure people will just be lining up to run a word processor on a tablet with no keyboard.

Re:Revenue model (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282108)

USB and Bluetooth covers that. Hell, seems one of the most used keyboards on android tablets right now is the Apple Bluetooth keyboard because it is slim and easy to pack.

And yes, one may wonder why people bother as then they are basically using a laptop...

Re:Revenue model (1)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282604)

Usually you keep the keyboard at the desk and dont take it with you when you "go mobile".

I am fond of cases that have built in keyboards, though. "Why bother?" I have an iPad for gaming mostly. Cant get Touch based Unreal Engine games like Infinity Blade anywhere else. And I also like to sometimes just type. The bluetooth case allows me to flip the keyboard away very easily, sometimes just remove the thing from the case entirely, while also giving me typing flexibility.

Re:Revenue model (1)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282578)

I do it with my iPad alot... you won't type a novel of course, but it's quite simple if your not a hunt-and-peck kind of person.
If you want, you can bluetooth a keyboard to it real easy, as well.

Re:Revenue model (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38283014)

The app store is a break even/very small profit part of apple's business. It's in every earnings report.

There are no WP tablets (1)

Eirenarch (1099517) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281080)

There is no such thing as a Windows Phone tablet. There will be Windows 8 tablets.

Will Windows 8 Tablet PC Edition matter? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281320)

Will there still be room in the market for Windows 8 tablets by the time Windows 8 comes out, or will substantially all applications that one would want to run on an ARM-powered tablet already have been ported to Android?

Not worth it! (2)

na1led (1030470) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281114)

7" Android tablets are not worth more than $100. It's not going to replace your laptop or netbook. It's too small for word processing or doing any serious work, all it's good for is watch videos and playing a few games. When will these companies realize this?

Odd... (1)

Stumbles (602007) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281120)

While Samsung and a whole bunch of other companies have Android devices flying off the shelves, Dell seems unable to do the same. Curious and curiouser.

Re:Odd... (1, Interesting)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281420)

Losing 8% marketshare in a single.fiscal quarter == flying off the shelves? LOL @ fandroid spin.

Re:Odd... (2)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282046)

While Samsung and a whole bunch of other companies have Android devices flying off the shelves, Dell seems unable to do the same. Curious and curiouser.

This a joke? According to the NPD, Samsung has only sold 192,000 tablets in the US (16% of a 1.2 million non apple tablet market.) For such a large country, buying so many ipads, I would say 192,000 is not exactly flying off the shelf.

Mind you, got to give it to Samsung that they at lest manage to sell that amount. Dell didnt even sell enough to show up in the top 5 list (http://www.npdgroup.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/pressreleases/pr_111122b.) IF Dell happens to be 6th at 8% that would mean they sold 96,000 tablets tops.

Re:Odd... (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282130)

The streak7 is a older design. Not even sure it has Market access, as i think Samsung did a fair bit of arm twisting to get that into the Galaxy Tab.

Firesale/Tablet fatigue (1)

gpmanrpi (548447) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281128)

So, will Dell do a fire-sale on existing inventory, or just reload the Windows tablet software and rebrand/remarket the same hardware? The tablet price points are starting to make sense for me. But, I would love to have a device I can play around with for convergence development. Is there something along these lines available? I think there is definitely a market for Phone(SIP, Cellular, PSTN), IM, E-mail, NAS, & remote desktop. I feel like we are doing a lot of incremental things, but ultimately we have these powerful portable devices that can really do a lot. Yet they don't. They run angry birds, and don't actually save you any time or work around your life. Shouldn't a phone/table be smart enough to to run your home phone system while you are home, maybe GPS based follow-me. Shouldn't a phone that knows you have a meeting scheduled or class and sends your calls to voice-mail with the option to SMS or IM. Hell a tablet with a wireless headset that runs as a phone, or with a phone. We are wasting a resource that could do useful work too. I mean think of the distributed computing you can do with these tablets, smart phones, etc. There are problems to be solved, and none of these "solutions" actually solves them.

I would call this a complete marketing failure... (1)

Mysticalfruit (533341) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281144)

The Dell what? Dell's selling a tablet? Honestly Dells marketing department totally dropped the ball on this one. I've been looking around for cheaper android tablets and this NEVER made my radar screen.

Make money on the accessories, not the sticker (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38281210)

Tablet makers still don't get it. Price is king. I want a 7 inch tablet with hdmi out, a camera, wifi, gps, gyroscope, accelerometer, & magnetometer for less than $100. If they can put in a slide out(or back of screen...) keyboard and a front facing camera, those are worth an additional $50 to me.

I have all of the above minus the hdmi out on my Droid 2 Global. I'm not going to sacrifice features for a larger screen. With the MPU-6000, they have no excuse to be selling "g-sensors" as if a tilt compensated compass is still cutting edge.

Aluminum is less than $3 a pound. A brushed aluminum(or composite) case is worth another $20 to me.

They are still pricing these fucking things as if they already had control of the market. They need to start thinking like new players in the console market and sell these at a near loss. They can worry about profit when they have successfully achieved front runner status.

Their PC "brand name" doesn't mean shit here, it's a new arena. They need to buy front runner status by breaking even and then when their name is synonymous with "best android tablet" they can start pricing them like they are fashionable.

Nobody wants to buy a status symbol like a tablet computer until a clear front runner has established itself. I'm not going to pay Apple pricing for "2nd place" aka the loser tablet, aka the tablet no one else wants. It is EMBARASSING to be seen with as it hurts my credibility as a tech snob to be seen with a product which demonstrates that I couldn't pick a winner out of a line up.

Until they have bought 1st place status, their product is a commodity and sales will be lack-luster on any metric other than "cheap as dirt" for "incredible value". They need to start thinking about accessories as profit centers and lower the bar like a crack dealer. "First time is free man..."

Re:Make money on the accessories, not the sticker (4, Interesting)

nomadic (141991) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281268)

So basically what you're asking for is a present from tablet makers. Why would they go into debt to give you a gift?

Re:Make money on the accessories, not the sticker (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38281352)

Because otherwise they're going to have inventory sit on shelves until it gets sold in a fire sale, like HP did. There are some unrealistic motherfuckers in the tablet business right now, and Dell was up there with the worst of them.

Re:Make money on the accessories, not the sticker (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282438)

Quick google search shows me that the Droid 2 Global is a phone that sells for $580 [popularelect.com] , not a tablet by any means. And where does your magical $100 price tag come from?

Translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38281236)

"Google won't pay us, Microsoft will..."

suffers from the Not an iPad problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38281306)

It's the same story: people want The Real Thing, and that is an iPad. They don't want a knockoff, so the Android tablet market (all of it put together!) is a small fraction of the iPad market. It can only get people who can't afford the real thing, that supports the App Store.

Apple created the tablet market, and as such, they're going to be hard to compete with. You can't sell anywhere NEAR their price point, because why would anyone buy a knockoff for about the same price when you could just buy an iPad?

Re:suffers from the Not an iPad problem (1)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282680)

EXACTLY!

As an iPad fan (not fanboy, a fan), I love what they did with the iPad. However, competition is a wonderful thing. Android should create their own niche, and grab more of the market that way. Then, Apple would be forced to change. As it is right now, there's little competition, only fanfare on both sides.

Microsoft's Poodle (0)

strangeattraction (1058568) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281478)

Michael Dell is Microsoft's Poodle. When daddy tightens the leash non-microsoft products got to go.

No Windows Phone tablet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38281554)

They are not pushing Windows Phone tablets because there is no such thing. They have a Windows 7 tablet. Windows 7 != Windows Phone 7

Mass Market (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281834)

The problem with android tablets is how to get the volume to make a profit. The iPad sets the high price of a table due to the fact that the industry has spent years positioning apple as the premium retailers with markup of 50-500%. it is therefore expected that anyone else should be able to make a tablet for at least 25% less, if not 80% less as in the case of computer. We are always told that dell can make a better computer than apple for half as much.

So the fact most tablets are on the order of magnitude of a basic iPad, around the $400 mark, makes people think that tablets are too expensive. Of course Google is not providing the support that MS does, so the manufacturers have to shoulder all costs, which of course results in a more expensive product.

I think the strategy that will work is the Amazon strategy. Use the Android base, customize it into t a differentiated unique product, attach it to a service. The Android fanbois won't like it, but they aren't going to provide a mass market anyway. They were the one's cheering when HP had to sell it's table at a rock bottom price. Selling low does not move an industry forward. Selling good products at affordable prices does. This is why people buy Xbox, iPhone, and Deskjets. Not because they are cheap, but because they are good.

Re:Mass Market (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282194)

I wonder how much Apple gets away with by using the same internals for pad, pod and phone. Got to be some very nice bulk deals there. The others seems to have been stuck with Tegra because of some Google choice rather then being allowed to pick their own poison. Archos seems to be the first company to not use Tegra on a honeycomb tablet, and they are late to the game (but seems willing to update to ICS on existing products rather then try to sell yet another design as seen with ASUS and their transformer prime).

Stupid name (1)

DigitalOZ (19981) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281842)

I knew this would happen since any product with a name as stupid as "Streak" will fail. Can you imagine telling your friends you own a Streak with a straight face? Try it, I bet you can't do it.

I'm not even being facetious when i say... (4, Insightful)

shadowrat (1069614) | more than 2 years ago | (#38281950)

Whoa! What? Dell had an Android tablet for sale?

How the tune has changed (1)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282014)

When the iPad came out all I heard was how overpriced it was. How you could get a netbook that does 10 times as much for less money. Now I see company after company failing to produce a comparable product at the same price, and a bzillion Slashdot posts about how no one can compete with Apple because they sell the iPad at a loss and make money back from the app store.

Re:How the tune has changed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38282172)

and a bzillion Slashdot posts about how no one can compete with Apple because they sell the iPad at a loss and make money back from the app store.

Which isn't even true. Weird.

Re:How the tune has changed (1)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282702)

No one said Apple is selling the iPad at a loss.

Close it down? (4, Interesting)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282246)

I hope Michael Dell take his own advice. [cnet.com] .

What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders"

Wow, I read that title wrong the first time... (2)

crowtc (633533) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282284)

I read the title as "Dell Streak Kills 7, Bails On Android Tablets" - and here I was expecting to read about some kind of story about a Lithium battery explosion.

This is why (3, Insightful)

fafaforza (248976) | more than 2 years ago | (#38282674)

This is why people aren't as willing to buy from companies like Dell as opposed to Apple. A few quarters of less than stellar sales and they bail on the whole market and you're left with an unsupported device. Happened with the Zune, HP's tablet, some very good mp3 players of yore. And to add insult to injury, these companies expect to be able to charge the same for their devices as Apple does.

Gee whiz, I wonder why people choose an iPad where for exactly the same money they could have had an Android wanna-be from a company not completely behind their own product.

Maybe they're buying webOS??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38282696)

"Bails on Android Tablets" gives me slight hope that another big name might be bailing out the webOS faithfuls and reaching out to buy their own OS. Although, after seeing how well that panned out for HP, I can't imagine they'd want to follow suit. Wishful thinking though.

Why... (1)

sootman (158191) | more than 2 years ago | (#38283002)

... does Dell feel the need to make so much stuff? Nobody ever bought their crap MP3 players, I've never seen a Dell phone anywhere,* and now here they are, killing two tablets that were barely a year old. Are there companies who will buy from no one but Dell, and Dell feels that the more stuff they make, the more sales they'll get from these few customers? If that's what they think, it's obviously not working out. A lot of their products have lifespans measurable in months.

* I admit it's possible I've seen one and not known it.

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