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US Launches Virtual Embassy For Iran

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the administered-by-the-undersecretary-of-tweets dept.

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An anonymous reader sends this excerpt from a report at Al Jazeera "The administration of U.S. President Barack Obama has launched a virtual embassy for Iran in what it said was a bid to promote dialogue with the Iranian people in the absence of formal diplomatic ties. The web-based embassy went online on Tuesday in English and Farsi, offering visitors what it described as 'another perspective' for Iranians who 'remain hungry for information about the United States.' 'This website is not a formal diplomatic mission, nor does it represent or describe a real U.S. embassy accredited to the Iranian government,' the U.S. state department said in an introductory note. 'But, in the absence of direct contact, it can work as a bridge between the American and Iranian people.'"

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In future news.. (5, Insightful)

Moheeheeko (1682914) | more than 2 years ago | (#38284708)

..Iran has blocked the Virtual Embassy for the entire nation.

Re:In future news.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38284762)

Really?

Re:In future news.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38284836)

You're supposed to read the title first. I know it's annoying, but Moheeheeko doesn't seem to.

Re:In future news.. (5, Funny)

mfnickster (182520) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285332)

Worse than that, Iranian hackers stormed the Virtual Embassy and took 52 user accounts hostage.

Obama is rumored to have ordered a strike team assembled from the top elite US Battlefield 2 soldiers, to stage a daring rescue in high-polygon-count Virtual Blackhawk helicopters.

Re:In future news.. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285538)

In better future news, the US opens virtual embassies for all countries and dramatically reduces the number of bureaucrats taxpayers have to pay to sit in overseas offices.

Re:In future news.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38286062)

Yes, I'm sure soon it'll redirect to peyvandha.ir

If you wanted a real "bridge" how about doing something about the blocking of international public, free vpn / proxy services in Iran

Re:In future news.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38286100)

Coming up soon: Iran virtual embassy hit by virtual suicide bomber.

But first, the weather.

Shut it down (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38284734)

Bachmann says we should shut this down, too.

Re:Shut it down (1)

Morky (577776) | more than 2 years ago | (#38284882)

I should have googled Bachmann on this before I commented. That's funny.

Re:Shut it down (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285010)

Bachmann says we should shut this down, too.

I had to google to find out the reference too.... What the parent is referring to [lezgetreal.com]

And we're dealing with all of this because Iran had a democratically elected government that the US didn't like, installed the Shah who was just like Saddam Hussein and the people hated it so they overthrew the Shah and some opportunistic oppressive Islamic clergy stepped in and made Iran a theocracy that hates the US instead of just being cold.

Now, some loony tunies (Fox News watchers) are saying we'll never have peace with Iran because they are a rogues state whose sole purpose is to destroy Israel. Of course it never occurred to them that Iran is just taking big to gain support from other parts of the World that hate the US also.

Yes, I know, BUT ISRAEL IS THREATENED! They're our ALLY! whatever. Don't give a shit. And with allies like that, who the fuck needs enemies.

Re:Shut it down (5, Insightful)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285092)

US sets up another propaganda/disinfo channel.

Iranians are much more aware of America and life in the US than vice versa. Americans imagine some weird, gulf-state with face covering and camels.

Not this:
http://tehranlive.org/ [tehranlive.org]

Tehran has a better claim on 1st-world status that does Detroit.

Despite their current Government, Iranians live freer and are better connected to Europe and the US than are the people in "democratic ally" states like Uzbekistan!

Re:Shut it down (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285356)

Iranians live freer and are better connected to Europe and the US than are the people in "democratic ally" states like Uzbekistan!

Yeah, if you're the correct gender and religion. It's a lot better than many of its neighbors, but your gushing praise here is a tad overboard and rosy tinted.

Re:Shut it down (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285730)

I think you fail to realize just how crappy places like Uzbekistan actually are. Iran is a much better place to live than most former Soviet States by far regardless of religion or gender. Discrimination based on religion and gender isn't anything unique to Muslim countries either; such discrimination defines life in the US for millions of people. I grew up in the US and discrimination is a fact of life here. The fact that it is so widespread and prevalent here is the main reason why Americans tend to be so hypersensitive about the issue. Oh, but let's not look at the facts, let's just condemn foreign cultures.

Re:Shut it down (0)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285510)

Yeah, but at least it's a start... hopefully it'll lead to more engagement.

At least the muslims had the decency to send clerics to study and write about Western society (sometime around the 50s) before concluding that it was hopelessly corrupt and disengaging from it.

Sometimes it seems like we just thought we needed a third leg for our little axis-o'-evil metaphor.

Hopefully we'll still sort of find our way to their good side once they shed off the clowns acting as their leaders... most of our overreactions to him just seems to legitimize his criticisms :-P

Re:Shut it down (2)

Bucky24 (1943328) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285798)

Americans imagine some weird, gulf-state with face covering and camels.

Heh. I have to admit, that is what I think of when I think of Iran. Guess I'd better do some research.

Re:Shut it down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38286158)

i'm sure homosexuals feel extremely free in iran

Self destructing server (1)

onyxruby (118189) | more than 2 years ago | (#38284748)

So while the server have a self destruct button with the thermite option for the disks? The government gets all the best toys, surely they can order this from their vendor...

Really? (4, Insightful)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 2 years ago | (#38284800)

Because I know the first place I go when I want to know about a foreign country is their embassy. I'm sure the members of that institution are COMPLETELY unbiased about the country they're representing. Talk about an empty gesture. A spy plane gets shot down over their airspace, and the response is an e-embassy? I'm sure that'll sway the masses!

Re:Really? (-1, Troll)

fsckmnky (2505008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38284894)

A spy plane gets shot down over their airspace ...

There is no evidence of this.

Re:Really? (3, Informative)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285022)

There is no evidence of this.

Really? You mean besides the US admitting to it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16043626 [bbc.co.uk]

Re:Really? (4, Insightful)

fsckmnky (2505008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285070)

Given that all governments, some of the time, tell lies and use the tactic of propaganda, how can one arbitrarily choose which government is telling the truth 100% and the other 0% ?

The story of the link you pasted, has the US admitting to losing a drone near the Afghanistan border. This does not equate to an admission that a drone was shot down after violating Iranian airspace, unless the person reading the story has an extreme emotional bias.

From all accounts thus far, it seems likely 1) the US has lost a drone and 2) the Iranian authorities probably have it. That's it.

The story will continue to unfold, and any admissions from either side, will most likely be designed to benefit the side from which they originate. Choosing 1 side of the story as absolute fact, and the other as absolute falsehood, ignores the larger truth of the issue and the realities of politics.

Re:Really? (2)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285226)

You said there was no evidence, I provided a link proving otherwise. Now you're playing the semantics game to attempt to distract from the fact you were blatently wrong. There IS evidence. Whether it is sufficiently conclusive is up to the reader to decide. Your paragraph diatribe doesn't change the fact you were wrong, sorry.

Re:Really? (1)

fsckmnky (2505008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285288)

So in your opinion, it's perfectly alright for intelligent rational thinking individuals to embrace propaganda and repeat it based on their individual preference for the outcome of a particular event, as opposed to, seeking the truth behind an event, such that everyone may learn from it ?

Re:Really? (2)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285396)

You mean propaganda like "there's no evidence of this" when there's evidence of it? You might as well be working for the United States department of misinformation. Claiming no evidence when it's punching you in the face is about as useful to a rational discussion as claiming there were no dinosaurs.

And then top top it all off, you turn around and claim you were just trying to make people see both sides of the story? OK Sarah Palin.

Re:Really? (2)

Galestar (1473827) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285728)

Face it, he got you. You were wrong, there was *some* evidence. Now stop posting you look like a moron.

Re:Really? (0)

fsckmnky (2505008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285994)

From now on, I will check with the both of you, before I intentionally fan one side of the flames or the other. I see my mistake now, and it was quite foolish of me to attempt to remove some of the fuel.

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285314)

You said there was no evidence, I provided a link proving otherwise. Now you're playing the semantics game...

So, I'm guessing the semantics game he is playing is claiming that by specifically stating the drone was shot down 'near the Afghanistan border', the article instead actually meant 'near the Afghanistan border'?

Ohhhh... I see. Tricky bastard.

Re:Really? (1)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285428)

Well, if you bothered to RTFA, and it's citations, you'd know that it said it was in Iran, not the Afghanistan border.

U.S. officials tell NBC that CIA operators were flying the unmanned drone when it veered out of control and headed deep into Iran. The drone eventually ran out of fuel and crashed in Iran's remote mountains.

The only thing that was up for discussion is whether it crashed or was shot down, which is semantics. It doesn't really matter whether it was shot down or crashed, it was violating Iran's airspace.

Re:Really? (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285558)

You said there was no evidence, I provided a link proving otherwise. Now you're playing the semantics game to attempt to distract from the fact you were blatently wrong.

You are absolutely right - there is some evidence for it and he is playing the semantics game. But you should give him some credit in the first place - slashdot is a place where people write conversationally, not formally and absolute statements are often made for brevity and simplicity rather than a way of drawing a line and challenging someone to cross it.

The discussion escalated into obfuscation - and the moderation hasn't helped because many people won't ever see the post he was responding to, and without that context it becomes a significantly different conversation.

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285808)

The government admits it crashed, not that it was shot down. Learn to read. FYI: Whenever one of our aircraft crashes in the ME someone always claims to have shot it down.

Re:Really? (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285016)

Don't be such a cynic: All we have to do is turn our simmering cloak-and-dagger back and forth into a nail-biting tower defense flash game. The internet kiddies love that stuff.

We'll get whoever did Plants vs. Zombies to provide a strategic, but visually lighthearted, take on current events with "MQ-9 Tower Defense". As long as nobody finds out that anybody who achieves a High Score has their location forwarded to Mossad for a special prize ceremony, it'll be heartwarmingly popular!

Re:Really? (3, Interesting)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285440)

And this is reason not to hear their (in this case US) point of view? As Iran's regime actively twists information about US to their society, it is quite understandable that US wants to push their POV to be more widely avaible for Persians. It is not that you have to agree or have to take anything they say as truth. Just listen to different sources and make up your own mind about events.

As we know, flow of open, unbiased information (and unchanged correctly reported POV from all sides is part of this information) is a basis of any democratic society. Yes, we in West struggle with main media agendas, manipulation, etc. But we still have a choice and we can get information directly from the sources (with the help of Internet). So US feels that they should inform Persians directly about their opinion - good. Iran regime still can do the same. Independent journalism can scrutinize US claims in their info stream.

70 YEARS AGO !! A DAY THAT WILL LIVE IN INFAMY !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38284802)

Tora !! Tora !! Tora !! Datsun !! Toyota !! Mitsubishi !!

Should have RTFS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38284840)

Google searching the following got me nowhere!

"United States Embassy for Iran -news -washingtonpost -npr -travel -opens -launches -uk -ap -wikipedia"

Stupid news sites and stupid valid link in the summary.

And? (4, Insightful)

Morky (577776) | more than 2 years ago | (#38284854)

It's like a Voice of America type thing. No big deal.

Re:And? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285814)

There is a link to Voice of America on the main page :)

Voice of America = some of the stupidest propaganda I've ever heard. I'm not pro-regime, but VOA is shamefully bad. I know an Iranian guy who listens to it to get his news, and he seriously believes that for months now Israel has been attacking Iran with "lasers". I'm not joking.

How about not toppling democratic governments? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38284866)

Thanks for the nice embassy, US, but how about not toppling democratically elected governments in the first place, mmmkay?

"The 1953 Iranian coup d'état (known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup[3]) was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States under the name TPAJAX Project.[4] The coup saw the transition of Mohammad-RezÄ ShÄh Pahlavi from a constitutional monarch to an authoritarian one who relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979.[5]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat [wikipedia.org]

Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? (2, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#38284898)

Let's fret about things that happened 60 years ago.

Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? (3, Insightful)

HornWumpus (783565) | more than 2 years ago | (#38284946)

While ignoring the larger chess game being played 60 years ago, only focus on one pawn and how butt hurt it now is.

Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? (4, Insightful)

gknoy (899301) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285746)

For that pawn (or, more accurately, the citizens living in it), the degree of hurting is absolutely relevant to them, and their opinion of us as a nation.

Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? (0)

HornWumpus (783565) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285820)

I should care about their opinion why? What are they going to do that they aren't already doing? If they want to be reasoned with, they should start by being reasonable. As things stand now the only reasoning they are likely to get is in the form of guided munitions.

Do they care about my opinion?

Bring on Stuxnet v2.0.

Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? (2)

Em Adespoton (792954) | more than 2 years ago | (#38286198)

Reading your statement, I became confused... are you talking about Iranians or Americans?

Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285394)

Let's fret about things that happened 60 years ago.

Yeah, much better to forget about things that happened that long ago. Then we can (re)do all our mistakes and so can our kids for generations to come.

Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285502)

>Let's fret about things that happened 60 years ago.

Yeah, but, you know, if the UK and US hadn't orchestrated the coup to overthrow the *democratically elected* government for the sake of oil, then the other crazies hadn't risen to power amidst popular disgust for the Shah of the US and UK. And these are the crazies in power still. So, yes, it's been a long time, but it's only been 2 regimes.

The point is that many of the Iranian people may not like their religious dictators, but they also don't like the US. ...or maybe they are beginning to forget? Maybe Iranians are ready to hang with the Great Satan in his electronic embassy. As someone who has heard of recent history, the whole thing seems kinda tacky, though.

Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285712)

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285806)

If U.S. leaders consequently apologized for that and never tried it again, it would be done and forgotten.

Instead, the same repeated "... but he's our bastard" pattern was seen in other countries.

Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? (1)

fsckmnky (2505008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38284926)

1953 was 58 years ago. What are the odds the people in office in 1953 are still in office and that nothing has changed since ?

Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? (1)

Maximum Prophet (716608) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285042)

The ghost of Richard Nixon will turn up in many strange places...

Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? (1)

fsckmnky (2505008) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285350)

The ghost of Richard Nixon will turn up in many strange places...

Yeah, I hate it when that happens.

Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#38284928)

As the great Tom Lehrer noted, speaking of the assorted benighted non-Americans of the world: "They've got to be protected, all their rights respected, 'till somebody we like can be elected!"*

* Availability of protection, respect, rights, and even the pretense of an election, at participating franchises only. Individual results may vary. Terms and conditions apply; Geneva convention may not.

slashdotted already? (2, Funny)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#38284884)

slashdotted already? Oh here I got a cut and paste for my friends here:

Why Virtual Embassy Tehran?

Its harder to take hostages online, and our current prez Jimmy Carter the Second doesn't want to redo that, although he seems cool with "StagFlation II the adventure continues".

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton Video Remarks to Virtual Embassy Tehran

"We have outlawed Tehran and the bombing begins in five minutes". Oh wait that was Ronnie's microphone test line from three decades ago. Well, different day, same old scare tactic to maintain control.

Former Iranian Embassy

Earlier this year, the State Department provided essential repairs for the former Iranian Embassy in Washington, DC, which was closed in 1980, to ensure the safety of mechanical, electrical, plumbing systems, and auditory and visual bugging and monitoring systems, along with an extensive array of external CCTV cameras monitored by the FBI. Also installed geiger counters for your protection.

Re:slashdotted already? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285514)

Earlier this year, the State Department provided essential repairs for the former Iranian Embassy in Washington, DC, which was closed in 1980, to ensure the safety of mechanical, electrical, plumbing systems, and auditory and visual bugging and monitoring systems, along with an extensive array of external CCTV cameras monitored by the FBI. Also installed geiger counters for your protection.

Dude, really? You're complaining about spying activities at embassies? It's an accepted practice, everyone does it to everybody else, and therefore everybody takes necessary precautions (which includes dissemination of disinformation when you know somebody is listening). Embassy jobs is where intelligence agents who have been outed get, so that they can do intelligence exchanges.

No nation makes a big deal out of intelligence activities at embassies because they don't want the unspoken agreement that it's OK to do it to suddenly disappear.

Hm... Completely new place to shout: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38284932)

Americans go home!

Re:Hm... Completely new place to shout: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285410)

The virtual flag burning link and the 'Contact the great Satan' link don't work.

You want this to be interesting... (4, Insightful)

Genda (560240) | more than 2 years ago | (#38284950)

Put links to founders of the "Middle East Spring" movement. Add virtual links to American and European Persian supporters and business people. links to leaders in the American Muslim movement. Make this resource a combination; "Open Hand", "Information Clearing House" for liberal and moderate Persian ideology, A celebration of Persian culture and a clear commitment from the west to be ready for and open to dialog to empower the future of a free, democratic and peaceful Iran.

Of course at the same time, we need to have "Come home to Moses" talk with Israel about changing their stance to one of causing peace in the Middle East instead of undermining it. There are so many brilliant Israeli people, who want an end to hostility, and are more than willing to work out coexistence. The ongoing growth of illegal settlements only destroy options and nail the future to rails that lead to inevitable violence and ultimately the genocide of Palestine. Certainly there must be a better answer.

Iran has incredible resources, and amazing people. If we could only convince the population to pull it back from theocracy, its future would be incredibly bright.

Re:You want this to be interesting... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285152)

Iran has incredible resources, and amazing people. If we could only convince the population to pull it back from theocracy, its future would be incredibly bright.

They have no interest in that. And I, as US citizen, have no interest in making their lives any easier. They made their choice in 1979, let them starve to death because of it. And end up with one of the most irresponsible, corrupt and ruthless governments in the world as an example to others of any religion seeking to impose a theocracy anywhere.

Re:You want this to be interesting... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285224)

Are you talking about Iran or the USA? Becuase I am pushing shit up hill to see the difference

Re:You want this to be interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285596)

Are you talking about Iran or the USA? Because I am pushing shit up hill to see the difference

I mean the country that specifically bans religious minorities (Baha'i in the case of Iran) from government jobs in it's "Revolutionary" constitution.

Re:You want this to be interesting... (2)

halivar (535827) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285306)

Demonstrations in the streets in the last few years indicate many people do have an interest in that. And they didn't choose jack-shit in 1979, their parents did.

Not saying we should or could do anything about it, just trying to add some perspective to the idea that not all Iranians deserve to get screwed over.

Re:You want this to be interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285424)

Demonstrations in the streets in the last few years indicate many people do have an interest in that. And they didn't choose jack-shit in 1979, their parents did.

A minority of rich brats throwing stones at police in the urban areas do not equate to the rest of the country (or the vast majority of people who do very actively support their government). And for the stupid choice that the previous generation made, that generation's great-great-great grandchildren (and all generations in between) deserve to suffer the consequence. They made their choice, let them choke to death on it. Maybe the generation that wakes up after all of that will learn a thing or two about giving religious authorities any space in determining policy.

Not saying we should or could do anything about it, just trying to add some perspective to the idea that not all Iranians deserve to get screwed over.

We could do something about it, akin shooting enemy soldiers who are on fire to spare them the pain of an agonizing death. But the Iranian people don't even deserve that. As long as the people in the countryside and the vast majority of those in the urban areas do nothing about it, they deserve all the shit that the system they support offers.

They made a stupid choice and as long as they continue to tolerate it, they haven't suffered enough.

Re:You want this to be interesting... (2, Funny)

Galestar (1473827) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285754)

one of the most irresponsible, corrupt and ruthless governments in the world

So you mean the U.S. government?

Re:You want this to be interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38286156)

Give me a break. Political turmoil throws the dice up in the air. Where it falls is quite random.

They had a pretty decent democratic government the first time they kicked the Shaw out. Unfortunately stupidity on Britian's part (such as refusing to allow BPs books be audited or any renegotiation) let to nationalizing the oil industry.

Couldn't have that, so the MIA and CIA staged a revolution that put the Shaw back in power. His brutal rule paved they way for another revolution and this time the religiously minded took over.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

Re:You want this to be interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285444)

If we could only convince the population to pull it back from theocracy...

Is anyone actually naive enough to think that the Israeli population are the ones in charge?!

Re:You want this to be interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285580)

Of course at the same time, we need to have "Come home to Moses" talk with Israel about changing their stance to one of causing peace in the Middle East instead of undermining it.

Seriously? You blame Israel for the lack of peace in the Middle East? The amount of provocation from the Palestinians that you are ignoring is staggering.

There are so many brilliant Israeli people, who want an end to hostility, and are more than willing to work out coexistence. The ongoing growth of illegal settlements only destroy options and nail the future to rails that lead to inevitable violence and ultimately the genocide of Palestine. Certainly there must be a better answer.

How about if the Palestinians stop firing rockets and mortars [wikipedia.org] at Israeli civilians almost [mfa.gov.il] every [jpost.com] day [jpost.com] ? That might help peace. How about if the Palestinians stop murdering children [ynetnews.com] in their own homes and then celebrating the murderers [ynetnews.com] ? That might help peace.
The Palestinians were shown the route to peace, the route that would have stopped the settlements, the route to their own state. They have so far chosen not to take it.

Re:You want this to be interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285926)

Israel is occupying Palestinian land, and you're calling [violent] Palestinian resistance "provocation"? You're insane. It's like if China established a colony for Chinese Buddhists here in California, claiming that ancient Chinese Buddhist texts show that their religious group is entitled to the land. The United States, being too weak to do anything about it, is instead just pressured to "make peace" with the new emerging state, while a minority of impoverished Californians continue to launch rockets at the foreign settlements. The Chinese government looks on and complains about Californian "provocation" and how Californians and other US States are not fully cooperating with "peace in North America." Then they'll point to the fact that most attacks are being carried out by fundamentalist Christians and say this is proof that North Americans are barbaric and culturally incapable of self rule or accepting enlightened [Chinese] democracy and civility.

Re:You want this to be interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38286210)

Again, you are ignoring a staggering amount of details. Your "analogy" is so poor I am forced to put quotation marks around the mere use of the word. When you say "occupying" do you mean the land taken after the last time the Arab armies attacked Israel, or are you one of those who thinks the entire country is "occupied territory" and would like to see the Israelis drown in the ocean? Both groups seem to like to ignore the detail that Jewish people have lived in that area for thousands of years. They are not some outside invading force, like in your poor attempt at an example.
I'[ll assume you meant the first meaning. So why is Israel holding a buffer zone? Again, look at the actions of the Palestinians. The buffer zone is to protect Israel from the almost constant rocket bombardment aimed at their civilians, and to help keep terrorists out of Israel. If the Palestinians would stop attacking Israel, Israel would not need the buffer zone. The Palestinians have been warned to stop the attacks, or Israel would build in the buffer zone. The Palestinians did not stop attacking Israel. Who could have foreseen that Israel would then build in the buffer zone? Not like that came out of nowhere...
I didn't say anything about the Palestinians being "barbaric and culturally incapable of self rule" but it's interesting that it's in your response. I would hate to think that such a poorly thought out response such as yours is really the best you can do. But the quality of your logic makes me think it must be. Please do more research or consult somebody more knowledgeable before posting again.

Re:You want this to be interesting... (4, Insightful)

MasaMuneCyrus (779918) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285822)

Iran has incredible resources, and amazing people. If we could only convince the population to pull it back from theocracy, its future would be incredibly bright.

Firstly, I think as the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have shown us, we (the US, collectively) have very little power to change or encourage people to think how we'd like them to. We 'ought to have learned a little humility. If we toppled all authoritarian regimes in the world by force and gave the people perfect, free and fair elections, I bet 9/10 of those countries would vote a religious theocratic dictator right back in.

Secondly, we don't need to do that. Fortunately, most Persian people are already disgusted with the theocracy. What many of the revolutionary Arab states are voting for, the Persians have lived with it for 40 years. They're tired of it. The only reason it isn't gone is because you will die if you go against the regime. In fact, dying might be the most pleasant part. You'll probably be tortured, and if you're really unlucky, your family will be killed, too. Or maybe just your father. You don't even have to protest to be caught when the best minds of US and European IT companies are doing their best to allow the Iranian government to track your every move.

Most people tend to favor living with harsh favor political oppression over death. That's why Iran is not free, yet. It will become free when
1. The cost of freedom is lowered
2. The cost of oppression is high enough to warrant "give me liberty or give me death."

Sing with me: (-1, Troll)

asshole647 (2525998) | more than 2 years ago | (#38284964)

We are the slasdot trolls, my friend.
And we keep on trolling till the end.
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No time for lusers (Linux users), 'cause we troll slashdot.

Sing with me (-1, Troll)

asshole648 (2526010) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285066)

We are the slasdot trolls, my friend.
And we keep on trolling till the end.
We piss on the slashdot,
We post the goatse [goatse.ru] posts,
No time for lusers (Linux users), 'cause we troll slashdot.

Reasonable (1)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285172)

Makes sense, as US don't have big problems with common Persian people - they have problem with nut heads at the top. I know, someone will come here again and will complain how US is corporation dictatorship, how Iran stands out for being "different", etc. etc. Please. We all know what this government is really all about. And yes, in current state of affairs there's still HUGE difference between power obsessed richies and "I'm fundamentally right to call myself a hand of the God and I will execute my rights nuking you" regime. First ones are nasty and we are growing tired from them, but it doesn't mean that we should be happy about second ones. Both kind are power junkies and both have nasty cold turkeys to deal with power withdrawal.

Too bad... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285262)

" ''But, in the absence of direct contact, it can work as a bridge between the American and Iranian people.' "

ROFL! Too bad only an imbecile (or a politically-motivated sociopath) would even try to suggest that the US Gov't in any way actually represents the American people! :p

Hope they won't take virtual hostages! (1)

wisebabo (638845) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285338)

Oh c'mon now, I'm not the only one old enough to remember this right?

https fail (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285372)

This site needs proper https support, not a broken like this one:

https://iran.usembassy.gov

iran.usembassy.gov uses an invalid security certificate.

The certificate is only valid for the following names:
    a248.e.akamai.net , *.akamaihd.net , *.akamaihd-staging.net

(Error code: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain)

Virtual Embassy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285568)

This will work. In Iran there is a "spiritual leader" in the ayatollah who has 100% actual control. The President while the public face and with some limited powers and responsibilities, has no actual sovereign powers at all. His speeches at the UN and other places amplify his need for controversial and unbelievable positions as a means to get personal attention and to attempt to assuage perceived domestic concerns.

I say perceived because the typical Iranian is smarter than the typical American, and while less connected to news and the internet is far more educated and engaged in day to day politics.

I say unbelievable because any and all statements by the Iranian president, elected by a "beauty contest" vote with little or no sovereign powers, would be a treasure trove for factcheck.com if they ever wanted to waste their time on this charlatan and snake oil salesman. It might make a phunny Youtube video however. :)

The USA is waiting for Arab sprint to hit Iran and trying to help, but the degree of oppression and religious intolerance closely connected to the legal system, such as it is, is a strong deterrent to any citizen uprising and liberty.

Besides we are not setting all that good of an example. We should fix that by killing one-sided Keynsianism, Demo-Socialism, and installing traditional free market capitalism with a dose of free market style welfare to shut up the friggin' communist leaning Democrats. There are plenty. I have met them.

JJ

And five minutes after it was announced (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285582)

Iran had added the domain, the IP block, and several dozen new words to their filters.

It's all an infidel plot to spread lies and other heresies!

Once we get our nuclear bomb*AHEM*POWER initiative back on course, they shall all burn under a pillar of Allah's holy fire!

LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALAL

people (1)

Tom (822) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285626)

'But, in the absence of direct contact, it can work as a bridge between the American and Iranian people.'"

Then it should come from the people, not from the government.

The idea is nice, though there are roughly 10,000,000 other websites already telling someone interested in america everything he wants to know and a million things he really didn't want to know. But how about dropping the marketing speech? Don't pretend that real humans are talking to real humans when on the one side it's just marketing zombies and politicians.

Is There A +4, Informative (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285666)

Stuxnet discussion group?

Yours In Ashgabat,
K. Trout

Arrow to the knee... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285780)

I used to be an embassy, but then I took an arrow to the knee.

Holy Shit!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38285924)

The government made a web site! STOP THE PRESSES!

Truly, this will go down as a crowning achievement, a turning point of history, for today, an actual, for-real WEB SITE was created!

The US gov to promote dialogue (1)

future assassin (639396) | more than 2 years ago | (#38285970)

with foreigners but anything their own citizen want to let the gov know about falls on deaf ears unless you can contribute $$$$$$$$$ to the politician of you choice. What a fucking wonderful country. I so hope I see the fall of the US in my life time, i'll be at the Canadian border with my illegal guns to keep illegal at the border while I watch the show and eat popcorn.

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