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Will Windows 8 Be Ready For Release In 2012?

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the too-little-too-late dept.

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MrSeb writes with an excerpt from an Extreme Tech article on the Windows 8 release timeline: "...A Microsoft vice president announced that the Windows 8 beta would begin in late February 2012. The beta will be feature-complete and will allow developers to begin listing their apps in the Store. The timing of the beta is curious, and ultimately quite telling. ... The first public build of Windows 8 ... emerged in mid-September 2011; by the time the beta rolls around, it will have been ruminating for more than five months. If we follow the timeline forward — it took 10 months for Windows 7 to go from beta to public release — then it's possible that Windows 8 might arrive just in time for Black Friday 2012, or perhaps not in 2012 at all. Will its late arrival affect its chances of cutting out a swath of the tablet market from Apple and Android? Or will Windows 8 be different enough that it will do well, no matter when it arrives?" In related news, an anonymous reader notes that IDC predicts Windows 8 will be irrelevant to the traditional PC market.

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Cyber Monday at IDC! (5, Funny)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293086)

In related news, an anonymous reader notes that IDC predicts Windows 8 will be irrelevant to the traditional PC market.

Yeah but have you seen how cheap the report is from IDC? It's a mere $3,500.00 [idc.com] which is a steal considering I just shelled out twelve and a half large for their forecast on computing devices [amazon.com] . My god, the forecast I bought was a piddly 27 page PDF while this Windows 8 report is a weighty tome totaling 17 pages in girth and might even result in a printed copy that that I can set on my desk and hold down with a real human skull paperweight completely encrusted with diamonds. At this price, I am buying one copy for every member of my extended family -- these things will make great stocking stuffers next to moon rocks, 1913 Liberty Nickels and the keys to each person's personalized yacht. Of course he tweeted the meat and potatoes of this report -- they're practically GIVING it away on their site already! Be sure to stock up on these before they sell out!

Re:Cyber Monday at IDC! (4, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293124)

You seem kinda riled up about this. Like you actually did buy an IDC report once ...

Re:Cyber Monday at IDC! (5, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293152)

In other news.

A new release of Windows is going to be released later than originally planned.

This is really turning out to be a slow news day, isn't it?

Re:Cyber Monday at IDC! (5, Funny)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293184)

Well, we haven't seen any reports about a new Firefox version yet, so it can't be that slow...

Re:Cyber Monday at IDC! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293250)

There's a new Firefox version? Why didn't someone tell me?

Re:Cyber Monday at IDC! (5, Funny)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293416)

We were waiting on Duke Nukem Fo...

er, oops. Sorry about that.

Re:Cyber Monday at IDC! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293194)

Are you retarted or something?

Re:Cyber Monday at IDC! (1, Offtopic)

Aryden (1872756) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293324)

"Retarded"

Re:Cyber Monday at IDC! (4, Funny)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293446)

What and idiot.

Re:Cyber Monday at IDC! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293634)

For all intense purposes your saying the same thing.

Because we all know the *really* important thing (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293498)

Is the price of the paper and not information asymmetry.

 

Windows 8 (1)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293098)

Still dont understand why they put the windows concept in a separate app, and converted most of the OS to a single app on screen format

Re:Windows 8 (4, Informative)

gcnaddict (841664) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293178)

It's a data-centric UI v. a function-centric UI. The premise is to put what the user needs most right in front of him quickly. Mail, meetings, weather, contacts, etc. can be readily accessible with minimal effort.

The idea is that most people might not even end up needing to use the desktop.

Re:Windows 8 (2)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293226)

But, are the users who prefer to have say, a PDF or browser window taking up one half of the desktop and say VS taking up the other half, reading reference material and trying it out practically
Or VLC(or any other video player) and a web browser open side by side,etc
or even a web browser and a chat client
a real minority?

Re:Windows 8 (4, Insightful)

SpryGuy (206254) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293374)

They can certainly do all of that in Windows 8.

Are you under the impression that they can't?

Re:Windows 8 (4, Interesting)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293492)

That was what my (admittedly short) experience with Win 8 seemed to saw
Unless I moved apps to the desktop app, I was unable to have more than 1 onscreen at a time. Had to swap the whole app in and out of view
Perhaps I'll try it out again

Re:Windows 8 (1)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293520)

s/saw/say

Re:Windows 8 (3, Informative)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293712)

In the metro interface you can have windows side by side: http://youtu.be/p92QfWOw88I?t=2m04s [youtu.be]

Now, this apparently only works for higher resolution monitors (although a simple registry hack [mywindowsclub.com] removes this restriction), so maybe that was why you couldn't do it.

However, this is beside the point that any user can go on the desktop and run any number of apps side by side (PDF, browser, VS, VLC, or otherwise).

Re:Windows 8 (4, Informative)

SpryGuy (206254) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293730)

There are regular Windows desktop apps (just like now, including every Windows app out tehre).

And there are new "Metro" apps, which are targeted at touch-tablet devices... but can run on desktop systems.

Metro apps can run one or two on a screen at once. They're full screen (like iPad apps), but you can "dock" two of them side-by-side as well. They're designed for tablets though. You CAN run them on a desktop, and I'm sure there will ultimately be many "Metro" apps people will want to run on Desktops... ... but most desktop people will stay in desktop. I knwo they've called it an "App", but that's just a silly way to think of it. You sit at the desktop just like you do now in Win7. Instead of the small Start Menu, you have a big Start Screen. Hit escape and you're back on the desktop just like with the Start Menu. You still have the task bar for windows apps, and you can flip full-screen metro apps in if you like and cycle through them (or switch to them with Task Manager).

Re:Windows 8 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293394)

Re:Windows 8 (1)

KlomDark (6370) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293252)

Huh?

How is displaying something on the screen not using the desktop?

This whole Windows 8 thing is giving me a bad feeling. I think it's gonna flop hard. Windows 7 is great, other than the fatal flaw of /Windows/WinSXS, but Windows 8 seems like a a major step backwards. I want a mobile interface on my phone, not on my desktop.

Maybe they should call it Windows Me Too! Both because it's a lame copy of an iPad, and it will be the sequel to WinME.

Re:Windows 8 (4, Informative)

SpryGuy (206254) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293406)

You aren't getting it.

Windows 8 is a super-set of Windows 7, with some really amazing advances on the desktop side (from a vastly improved Task Manager to impoved large disk management, to faster boot times, faster/better file copies, etc).

Metro apps are a bonus. Everything that ran on Win7 will run on Win8.

Nonono (4, Funny)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293558)

It's Windows Phone - on your desktop. Like who wouldn't want that?

Re:Windows 8 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293560)

Please explain how you can make file copies better.

Re:Windows 8 (2)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293614)

Please explain how you can make file copies better.

I seem to remember reading that Windows 8 removed that stupid 'preparing to copy' thing which wastes a ton of time completely failing to work out how much time the copy is going to take so it can put up the progress bar for you?

Either way, it could hardly be worse than file copies in Vista, where copying a 2MB file could take five minutes.

Re:Windows 8 (3, Interesting)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293652)

Windows 8 has essentially integrated Teracopy into the OS

Re:Windows 8 (2)

jackbird (721605) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293622)

Ever copied a bunch of files at once on Windows?

Re:Windows 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293570)

But that doesn't matter. What matters is when Windows 9 comes out, with no support for Windows 7 apps, instead requiring us to use tablet-style Metro apps, and Windows 8 is discontinued, we'll all be boned and locked into using a shitty giant-buttons designed-for-fingers OS with a locked down app store and Windows as we know it will be dead.

Re:Windows 8 (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293586)

"Metro apps are a bonus."

A bonus? O RLY?

Astroturfing at its best (1)

mangu (126918) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293610)

really amazing advances

vastly improved

faster boot times

faster/better file copies

For a system that won't be in beta until next year, you are quite positive. Were these the same predictions you made before Vista went into beta? Just curious.

Re:Windows 8 (5, Informative)

gcnaddict (841664) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293554)

Like SpryGuy said, you aren't getting it.

In Windows, the desktop is actually an app in and of itself. When explorer.exe is first run, it loads the desktop (all icons that go on it) and the taskbar. If you never run Explorer, you'll never get the desktop. It's the same thing here; a person doesn't actually have to run Explorer, and if they don't, then the desktop will never load. The first UI the user will see will be the Metro UI, not Explorer.

Now, the second a person runs a traditional windowed application, the desktop will load as well for UI consistency, and all applications (graphically) will be contained within that layer. However, not every windowed application has to be paired with the desktop. If you run the task manager, for instance, it will float above everything else even if you switch back to the Metro UI or use a Metro application.

Re:Windows 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293690)

lol that sounds horrible.

Re:Windows 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293530)

Mail, meetings, weather, contacts, etc. can be readily accessible with minimal effort.

Yay. More distraction from actual work. The last thing in the world my employees will be allowed to use is a version of windows that shoves non-task-at-hand data in their face everytime they need to use the start menu to open a calculator or notepad. We'll be sticking with Windows 7 thank you very much.

The moderators are most definitely basement dwellers today.

Re:Windows 8 (1)

adonoman (624929) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293186)

They didn't - it's just a full-screen start menu that happens to be able to run apps.

Re:Windows 8 (1)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293436)

Thats a new and interesting perspective
Unfortunately metro apps dont really agree

Not in 2012 for me (5, Insightful)

GeneralTurgidson (2464452) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293132)

Ill be waiting for SP1. Server 2008 R2 has shown (at least to me) that Microsoft is trying to make server tasks more accessible at the cost of options and tweaking. Instead of having a nice GUI with lots of options, it's a purdy GUI with few options and the rest buried in some power shell syntax. Server 8 doesn't look like its helping their case.

Re:Not in 2012 for me (4, Interesting)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293168)

I'll be waiting for Windows 9 after this iOS mimicry flops. This could end up being the worst mistake yet, ME and Vista could both look like minor failures in comparison.

Re:Not in 2012 for me (4, Interesting)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293244)

I think the Windows Phone interface on the desktop is quaint. It's an interesting replacement for the start menu... but at the end of the day, that's all it is. I've been working with Win8 as a sort of free windows licence for a VM I run, and as soon as you use a traditional app, it kicks you back to the desktop and acts like Win7. It's one of those things that management is mandating to push... I guess they have an app store?, but at the end of the day all the new interface really is, is a full screen start menu.
 
It's really, really snappy on Virtual Box though. Goddamn.

Re:Not in 2012 for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293362)

I think the Windows Phone interface on the desktop is quaint.

After using it on an Acer tablet in CompUSA recently, I'd say "quaint" isn't really the word I'd use. Absolute fucking funk-d-fied shit is much more apt. It's freaking terrible. Even on the tablet, the full screen "Start" menu was a worthless abomination. It's a clusterfuck mess, half icons/half widgets/all shit. It isn't mouse friendly at all and any program not specifically compiled for windows 8 scrolls like ass. The abrupt transition from Metro to classic desktop is about as bad as goind from SPB shell to the craptastic underpinnings of windows mobile of old. And we see how well that worked out.

Re:Not in 2012 for me (2)

SpryGuy (206254) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293452)

You're making a judgement based on a developer preview pre-beta, where the UI isn't finishe... That includes the mouse/keyboard access. I'd say the problem is your expectations and interpretations, not Windows 8.

Re:Not in 2012 for me (-1, Troll)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293488)

I'd say the problem is your expectations and interpretations, not Windows 8.

Troll rating: 3/10.

Re:Not in 2012 for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293490)

And I'd say your problem is that you're probably one of the hired "sponsors" that Soulskill was bragging about bringing to the site. Take your astroturf and fuck off.

Re:Not in 2012 for me (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293600)

You're making a judgement based on a developer preview pre-beta, where the UI isn't finishe

Er, part of the point of delivering pre-release builds is to gather usability comments. GP comment while a bit harsh seems in line with this. As things develop (har har), maybe opinions will change.

Re:Not in 2012 for me (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293608)

I know. Isn't it a lot easier to please people who have lower expectations? It so frustrating when they get to try stuff, and then expect it to be at all appealing. What to they think this demo stuff is for, anyway?

Re:Not in 2012 for me (0)

KlomDark (6370) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293264)

I'll be waiting for Windows 9 after this iOS mimicry flops. This could end up being the worst mistake yet, ME and Vista could both look like minor failures in comparison.

This!

Re:Not in 2012 for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293408)

Me too!!!

Re:Not in 2012 for me (3, Insightful)

camperdave (969942) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293188)

Instead of having a nice GUI with lots of options, it's a purdy GUI with few options and the rest buried in some power shell syntax.

So... they're making it more like Linux?

Re:Not in 2012 for me (4, Informative)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293274)

Actually yes, since server 2008 they've moved to a CLI-before-GUI system, where all tasks can be performed from the CLI and the GUI only handles a subset of them, as in Linux. This is good since everything now becomes scriptable, the GUI becomes optional, and you don't need a full virtual desktop to get things done remotely.

Re:Not in 2012 for me (5, Informative)

Spad (470073) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293660)

Even better, the GUIs for things like Exchange 2010 allow you to view the CLI commands being used for any of the changes you make, so that you can easily script them, rather than having to try and work out which particular command and property name that checkbox needs.

Re:Not in 2012 for me (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293716)

You mean like smit in AIX? Better 20 years late then never I suppose.

Re:Not in 2012 for me (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293678)

So in other words, they've come full circle and have implemented something that works like, but is wholly incompatible with, that which they have fought so hard against.

Re:Not in 2012 for me (2)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293198)

Ill be waiting for SP1.

I'm trying to remember the last Windows version that didn't require waiting until at least SP1 to be worth using.

Re:Not in 2012 for me (0)

SpryGuy (206254) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293478)

You don't remember Windows 7?? Come on, man, it wasn't THAT long ago! Have you been checked for Altzheimers?

Re:Not in 2012 for me (5, Funny)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293572)

You don't remember Windows 7?? Come on, man, it wasn't THAT long ago!

Windows 7 was just a service pack for Vista that removed most of the suck.

Re:Not in 2012 for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293630)

You don't remember Windows 7??

Windows 7 is Windows Vista SP1. So, yeah, MS is still on the same track...

Re:Not in 2012 for me (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293556)

I was running Win7 since the prerelease versions on my gaming desktop, no problems, even after I upgraded to the final release and then SP1.

I would say 98SE but I guess that doesn't count :-P

Re:Not in 2012 for me (4, Interesting)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293604)

Oh, also, MS has caught onto the game, they ship a ceremonial SP1 within a few months of launch now.

Re:Not in 2012 for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293714)

Uhh. Windows 7.

Re:Not in 2012 for me (2)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293214)

I'll be waiting for SP1.

But they will release something on schedule. As the day approaches, its features will be trimmed to meet the schedule, as usual. The promised features will come in SP1 and some of them might even work reliably by then (Quality is job 1.1), while security will come in SP2 or SP3. Fool people once, shame on you. Fool people dozens of times, and you must be Microsoft.

Re:Not in 2012 for me (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293308)

Old school Windows server admins are going to need to learn to adapt or become quickly irrelevant. Microsoft finally understands that very large server environments need to have a proper shell environment to make mass server administration easier. And they've made the 80% of tasks you'll be doing day to day accessible through the GUI, which makes the GUI actually usable now (Remember pre-Exchange 2007 Server Management pack? It sucked).

Re:Not in 2012 for me (1)

masternerdguy (2468142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293402)

It better be ready in 2012. I'm already stockpiling soda and snacks for the flamewars.

Re:Not in 2012 for me (1)

mlts (1038732) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293430)

I'm looking forwards to Windows Server 8, assuming that they get the deduplication in the next revision of NTFS down pat. Especially for disk volumes that have virtual machine images on them.

As for the client version of 8, the ability to run the whole OS from a USB flash drive and then yank the drive when done as a way of checking for viruses and rootkits on machines periodically will be an ability worth having.

Re:Not in 2012 for me (1)

Ephemeriis (315124) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293564)

Instead of having a nice GUI with lots of options, it's a purdy GUI with few options and the rest buried in some power shell syntax.

That's funny. I really never thought I'd see someone on Slashdot complain about a CLI being more useful than a GUI.

I can certainly relate. Windows has been so GUI-centric for so long that suddenly finding the CLI more functional than the GUI is downright strange. Moving from Exchange 2003 to 2007 was a very jarring experience for me.

However... Now that I'm actually learning PowerShell, I have to say that it's pretty damn nice. The added flexibility and control is amazing. And it enables all kinds of scripting and automation.

It's because of those XP EOL users (5, Interesting)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293166)

The "traditional market" is a combination of consumers and bulk business users. The consumer market doesn't use XP much any more (outside of the Asian pirate community). The businesses still stuck on XP are slowly migrating as their old hardware dies, or switching to other devices ... BUT ... (there's always a "but") Windows 8 fulfills Microsoft's goal of moving back to a more frequent release model, thereby enabling them to EOL earlier versions quicker.

They don't want a repeat of XP, where an old OS cannibalizes future sales, ever again. You'll see annual "new versions", same as the iPhone (Balmer steals another Apple trick).

Re:It's because of those XP EOL users (2)

Dinghy (2233934) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293410)

XP didn't cannibalize Vista sales. Vista didn't sell because it was crap at release. If people were forced to choose between going from XP to Vista, or going from XP to OSX or Linux, Microsoft would have been even worse off. That's why Microsoft kept extending support.

Re:It's because of those XP EOL users (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293422)

The consumer market doesn't use XP much any more (outside of the Asian pirate community). .

Are you serious?

To be honest it's horrible (1)

tankadin (1175113) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293190)

Please leave Windows 8 to trained proffessionals and do not try it at home.

The whole touchscreen related madness is very counterproductive in work environment.

Phone UI Hell (5, Insightful)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293192)

Who would have guessed that phones would completely be the thing to mangle and ruin PC user interfaces... It's crazy but I've come full circle to thinking KDE4 might actually be the only sane desktop team left. Unless they're planning on turning it into a tablet/phone UI as well.

Re:Phone UI Hell (4, Interesting)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293314)

XFCE and LXDE are also still in the sane camp.

Re:Phone UI Hell (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293472)

You mean, still stuck in the 90s copying Windows 95?

Re:Phone UI Hell (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293544)

You mean, still stuck in the 90s copying Windows 95?

And what's wrong with that? All the Windows 7 interface gives you is Windows 95 with a few fancy animations and a completely fscked-up start menu, and the Windows 95 interface is vastly better than a phone UI on a desktop PC.

Re:Phone UI Hell (1)

masternerdguy (2468142) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293598)

Hey, maybe the 90s interface is fundamentally good, and one of the best interfaces ever devised by man? I think it is. I know that people like to talk about how LCARS inspired phone interfaces and stuff, but to be honest I've always thought LCARS was a bad interface model, and so are the interfaces it seems to have inspired.

Re:Phone UI Hell (1)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293412)

Even unity which everyone hates for some reason is better than Win8

Nope! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293206)

"Will its late arrival affect its chances of cutting out a swath of the tablet market from Apple and Android? Or will Windows 8 be different enough that it will do well, no matter when it arrives?"

Wow, look at the assumptions inherent in that.

Reality check: Windows 8 tablets would flop if they were released today, and they will also flop if they are released in late 2012. So this doesn't "affect the chances" at all.

Similarly, Windows Phone is fucked too.

This space has room for at most two competitors, and those two are already established. Blackberry, WebOS, Symbian, and Windows Phone all didn't have a chair when the music stopped, sorry. Nothing more to see here, folks, move along.

Re:Nope! (0)

Defenestrar (1773808) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293464)

I would suggest that there could be a huge market for tablet devices which utilize native handwriting recognition and run industry standard software* (Excel, Word, etc...). Multiply by 10 if said device also can handle remote desktop with any of the previous three versions of the OS.

Who'd want to run a blackberry or iphone while on the go when they can instead be at their desk's computer?

IMHO *Software synonyms: programs, executables, applications. Synonyms may be abbreviated in written (not spoken) English with a period such as: "prog.", "exe.", or "app."; truncated forms such as "app" designate the software as either grammatically incorrect or as an inherently ironic representation of a truncated element of software development - a collection of a few subroutines instead of a full suite.

Re:Nope! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293588)

Simply cause industry standard software of the past wasn't designed with touch UIs in mind. Handwriting recognition is cool and all, but you still have menus and small buttons and right click and stuff like that which will make working the desktop model on the tablet a horrible experience. iOS and Android clearly both have the advantage over any PC era software that would justify a legacy desktop.

Nope! (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293720)

The AC is right ('twasn't me). We need one Cathedral (iOS) and one Bazaar (Android) and that's all. There's only two seats at this table and they're both taken.

You will be in a FEMA CAMP in 2012 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293240)

You won't get a chance to get it.

Re:You will be in a FEMA CAMP in 2012 (1)

Defenestrar (1773808) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293538)

Unless you move to the Pacific Northwest - they seceded right? Although isn't the date off, I thought that was later in a different future? Unless you're not talking about human augmentation and instead are referencing the popular misconceptions about the Mayan calendar... although in that case I think people who didn't wait for SP1 might be able to get Windows 8 with an early release before the end of time. Perhaps some clarification is in order, I think I want to answer to your point, but I can't find it.

Traditional PC market (2)

Machtyn (759119) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293246)

Well, of course, it will be irrelevant to the traditional market. Most of us have barely upgraded, businesses are barely turning the corner off of WinXP, and, from what I've observed, this is marketed for the mobile arena. I could be wrong on that last point, but that is my perception.

Re:Traditional PC market (1)

jd (1658) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293624)

Nonono. It will be irrelevant in the traditional market because the world ends in December 2012 and SP1, the first working version, won't be out before 2013.

Win8 is a non-event (5, Informative)

vinn (4370) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293256)

Three things:

1. Everyone knows that every other release of Windows is good (Win 3.1, 98, XP, 7) and every other one sucks (Win 3.0, 95, ME, Vista.) No enterprise is going to jump on this release.
2. Enterprises are in various states of completing their transition to Win 7. Very few enterprises are going to begin another rip and replace cycle next year, so no one is going to jump on this release.
3. Everything in the press has stated how Microsoft has taken a different direction for this user interface (but lately admitting the old one is still there.) No enterprise is going to jump on this release.

With regards to tablets and phones.. I really don't care what OS mine runs other than I want to to work exactly the way I want it to work. I doubt Win8 will.

Re:Win8 is a non-event (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293404)

You're missing NT 3.51, NT 4, Win 2000.
Without Windows 2000, XP would have been a driver fiasco like Vista was.

Re:Win8 is a non-event (1)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293444)

> Enterprises are in various states of completing their transition to Win 7. Very few enterprises are going to begin another rip and replace cycle next year,

Hell yes. We've barely started transition to Win7/Server 2008 and it's mostly through attrition. If it ain't broke, etc. Tell them we'll have to churn this year on 7 and then churn again next year on 8, and you'll have desktop admins quitting wholesale. Even in this economy.

Besides which, 8 is a real departure from 7, (or is an additional gui on top of the old gui that's a real departure, how ever you want to count it) and it has always taken M$ at least one major release to fix a major departure. (And one service pack after that major release before it becomes useful to serious users.)

Re:Win8 is a non-event (1)

makubesu (1910402) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293724)

Points 2 and 3 maybe, but 1? Do you think companies make decisions by reading tea leaves? Do they only upgrade their servers when a black cat crosses their paths? Pure superstition.

more importantly... (5, Interesting)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293302)

Do we care?

Re:more importantly... (1)

Mojo66 (1131579) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293382)

I don't.

Depends (0)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293310)

If they want to continue to turn it into a Vista-like turd they may as well start shipping it now.

Estimated release date (2)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293334)

December 22, 2012. Unless there is no end of the world the previous day, in that case could be delayed,

Windows 8 (1)

Shifty0x88 (1732980) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293336)

They are trying to get into the mobile market with Windows 8, so I'm not surprised they are trying to release it ASAP. They want all the tablet manufacturers to be like, oohhhh Windows on a tablet, and it's UI isn't total crap on a touchscreen (the new home interface is suppose to be really nice for touchscreens).

Windows 8 will also have the metro apps, which I assume they will try to get developers to think about touchscreen devices (huge buttons, simple UI, gestures) more.

They are also going to port it to ARM, so that they can get into embedded devices too (tablets, smartphones, etc.).

Tablets could be x86 or ARM, and as you can see ARM is currently winning (iPad/2 anyone?)

It's all clear now... (2)

catbertscousin (770186) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293340)

No wonder the Mayans thought the world would end in 2012. Either that or their calendar software wasn't Win8 compatible.

Metro (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293364)

Microsoft’s promise that Metro will be just as navigable with a mouse/keyboard as with fingers/stylus

And that sums it all up: the mouse/keyboard (artists' brush) will have no advantage over fingers (finger-painting). Mouse/keyboard being "dumbed down" to the fingerpaint experience. No classic Win7 interface = no Win8 for me.

late arrival? (1)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293366)

> Will its late arrival affect its chances of cutting out a swath of the tablet market from Apple and Android?

I don't think so. I think it'll be the inability to get any serious work done without a keyboard and a mouse that will affect its chances much more than a few months difference either way on release.

Re:late arrival? (2)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293392)

I think it'll be the inability to get any serious work done without a keyboard and a mouse that will affect its chances much more than a few months difference either way on release.

And how is that any different from any other tablet OS?

Mantra (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293378)

Who's been placed in the Windows Mantra this time?

Windows isn't done,
until xxx won't run!

Re:Mantra (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293418)

Who's been placed in the Windows Mantra this time?

With the new 'secure boot', Windows 8 ain't done until Linux won't run...

Re:Mantra (2)

SpryGuy (206254) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293618)

That notion has been thoroughly debunked already. Let it go.

Re:Mantra (0)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#38293640)

That notion has been thoroughly debunked already. Let it go.

Troll rating: 4/10

I remember a rumor about Xbox games being playable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293462)

in Windows 8. Sounded like extreme bullshit to me. I figure something was discussed about merging the Games for Windows Live and Xbox Live pools with regard to achievements, social networking, multiplayer gaming, or pricing, and the blogs read way too much into it.

But has anything more come out on this since then?

I Really Don't Fucking Care (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38293480)

Actually, I'm just sitting here naked listening to Hüsker Dü songs that I can find on youtube. Hüsker Dü's worst song has more merit than everything microshit ever produced.
Of course I'm drunk; do you think I let profound shit like this ever get out when I'm sober?

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